Well, I completely trust Blizzard... to make a hugely successful game. I mean, once the cards are down, that's what they are.
If you look at WoW for just what it is, a huge, well polished game, that puts a strong focus on their casual audience, you'll see that they're absolutely true to their word. They say they're making the game easier, and they are. I played WoW, and I don't anymore. That's that. It's not that I don't trust Blizzard, it's that I trust that they'll make something for casual players. Unless they dramatically change their perspective on the market before their next MMO launches, then I probably won't buy in.
Oh this should be good - please explain how Blizzard is worse than SOE. Please by all means explain. Explain how Blizzard has given us stuff worse than the NGE, launching an expansion just prior to the NGE and being forced to give refunds, introducing item shops in every game even after promising it would never happen....please how is Blizzard worse?
Wrath of the Lich King.
Paid faction transfers upcoming
Mountain Spew crap bots
Paid power leveling services which is all recruit a friend is.
At least SOE kept releasing content. Unlike Blizzard who have basically diverted all money made from WoW into other projects and only release half assed rehashed rubbish knowing full well the braindead, dumb fanboi idiots will lick up any slop Blizzard dishes out.
So you're askin me if Blizzard made a new MMO, with all the accumulated experience from running the numba 1 MMO for 5 years straight, would I play? And I answer you sir HELL (to-the-muthafookin) YEAH!! Are you kidding me? Nothing but hits under their belts and they adapt to their players. What other company would you suggest? God....kids these days...so anally uptight that it's no wonder crap spews forth from their mouths......
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
So you're askin me if Blizzard made a new MMO, with all the accumulated experience from running the numba 1 MMO for 5 years straight, would I play? And I answer you sir HELL (to-the-muthafookin) YEAH!! Are you kidding me? Nothing but hits under their belts and they adapt to their players. What other company would you suggest? God....kids these days...so anally uptight that it's no wonder crap spews forth from their mouths......
Nintendo Wii is a hit too. Go play that.
Infact, we must always do whatever the boxoffice/sales charts tell us to because quantity=quality.
Transformers 2 $800,000,000 worldwide and counting. Must be a great film, eh?
Hmm ... would you trust a company that made the most succesful video game in 30 years of history ? 1.2 billion dollar yearly revenu. And most played game even when it takes 180 dollars per year just to log in ... --- Now That is a very difficult question ---- OP: explain why WOW is growing at the moment please ) http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/ 11.600.000 players who PAY just to play it. Not some free Beta launch. )))
Hmm ... would you trust a company that made the most succesful video game in 30 years of history ? 1.2 billion dollar yearly revenu. And most played game even when it takes 180 dollars per year just to log in ... --- Now That is a very difficult question ---- OP: explain why WOW is growing at the moment please ) http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/ 11.600.000 players who PAY just to play it. Not some free Beta launch. )))
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
Hmm ... would you trust a company that made the most succesful video game in 30 years of history ? 1.2 billion dollar yearly revenu. And most played game even when it takes 180 dollars per year just to log in ... --- Now That is a very difficult question ---- OP: explain why WOW is growing at the moment please ) http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/ 11.600.000 players who PAY just to play it. Not some free Beta launch. )))
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ? )
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
Yes, i would trust blizzard again. Even though they did turn heal from what they said in the first 8 mths (mainly the PvP BG's were only ment as a fix for the PvE servers, something better was in the works for the PvP servers that ended up being canned and BG's were the main focus), then there would be joint EU/US servers were friends could meet up that was also dropped 8 mths after release. Why they do that i dont know, blizard shouldnt need to, Sony can do it, blizard should be able to as well. Can understand smaller companies not being able to, but now i think its a fart assed route of hitting customers with more wallet abuse if they wanted to team with friends.
Why, well this has been their 1st sole online subscription based game and it has held the #1 topspot for the past 4yrs, toppling the current EQ/UO and others that were at the top back then. Not only that, but they have brought in new idea's to the genre (and also sucky things too), its been a learning curve that they should have worked out alot of what players are after now.
Hopefully they wiull incorprate the good idea's from WoW (and any other games) as well as bring in even more good things and remove the bad things players didnt like (grinding/questing will always be there in every game so these dont count).
So if blizard can do that, then yes, i probably will purchase their next online mmo. Wasnt bothered about starcraft myself. I am however looking forward to Diablo 3 and yes i have bought all blizard games released so far on the PC (except some warcraft 2 expansion packs).
Just because something is the most popular doesn't make it the best for everyone. Example: Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers.
The question is: "Will you trust Blizzard again after Wow?"
There is no wrong answer because each person knows what they like in an MMO. I like deep compelling worlds with massive environments and a well fleshed out world PvP system. I like fighting over objectives with other players. I very much dislike gear grinds, gear based games, over the top flashy gear, and most of all instanced arcade like PvP.
To me I don't trust Blizzard to make an MMORPG that will appeal to me. I trust they will make an extremely popular game that the masses will play. I trust they will make Diablo 3 the shit, and Starcraft 2 will be unbelievable. I love the company, but I disagree with their vision of what a good MMORPG is regardless if they have billions of subs or not. All of my favorite MMO's have around 250-500k subs on average throughout their lifetime.
So you're askin me if Blizzard made a new MMO, with all the accumulated experience from running the numba 1 MMO for 5 years straight, would I play? And I answer you sir HELL (to-the-muthafookin) YEAH!! Are you kidding me? Nothing but hits under their belts and they adapt to their players. What other company would you suggest? God....kids these days...so anally uptight that it's no wonder crap spews forth from their mouths......
Word. As far as the quote above I see it more as a consistent pattern of quality games.
Guess I don't really "get" the question. I mean it's not like Blizz is a person who committed a violent crime and now I have to trust them to stay at my house. I'm not a fanboi or hater of any "gaming" company. Make a good product, get my money. Don't and you won't.
Hmm ... would you trust a company that made the most succesful video game in 30 years of history ? 1.2 billion dollar yearly revenu. And most played game even when it takes 180 dollars per year just to log in ... --- Now That is a very difficult question ---- OP: explain why WOW is growing at the moment please ) http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/ 11.600.000 players who PAY just to play it. Not some free Beta launch. )))
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ? )
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
For one noone ever said you paid blizzard anything.
grab an anti Funcom thread and stick it next to this one and the only difference would be the word AoC instead of WoW. These people really need to get a freaken grip and stop yelling out betreyal and broken promises everytime something is changed/cut.
If you want to see a betreyal then just look at SWG. Nothing comes even close to that so stop yer whining.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
WoW has been huge for like 6 years now and it sbeen loved by millions regardless of direction which I actualy support the direction I like balanced PvP but thats beside the point. With a game of this calibur how can you not anticipate the next blizz title. Sc2 Diablo 3 the new mmo.. I am looking forward to all 3, remember games are games your not suppose to pick 1 game and play it for the rest of your life, play it love it tire of it and move on to next. If the game was really good much like WoW you will likely make a return try a new character perhaps etc who knows whoc ares long as you having fun you are winning.
Hmm ... would you trust a company that made the most succesful video game in 30 years of history ? 1.2 billion dollar yearly revenu. And most played game even when it takes 180 dollars per year just to log in ... --- Now That is a very difficult question ---- OP: explain why WOW is growing at the moment please ) http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/ 11.600.000 players who PAY just to play it. Not some free Beta launch. )))
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ? )
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
For one noone ever said you paid blizzard anything.
so then what have the "11.6 mil" people that pay 180 dollars got to do with the fact that i or the other billions of people that dont play wow trust blizzard?
Crazy concept; WoW has been huge for like 6 years now and it sbeen loved by millions regardless of direction which I actualy support the direction I like balanced PvP but thats beside the point. With a game of this calibur how can you not anticipate the next blizz title. Sc2 Diablo 3 the new mmo.. I am looking forward to all 3, remember games are games your not suppose to pick 1 game and play it for the rest of your life, play it love it tire of it and move on to next. If the game was really good much like WoW you will likely make a return try a new character perhaps etc who knows whoc ares long as you having fun you are winning.
Hmm ... would you trust a company that made the most succesful video game in 30 years of history ? 1.2 billion dollar yearly revenu. And most played game even when it takes 180 dollars per year just to log in ... --- Now That is a very difficult question ---- OP: explain why WOW is growing at the moment please ) http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/ 11.600.000 players who PAY just to play it. Not some free Beta launch. )))
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ? )
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
For one noone ever said you paid blizzard anything.
so then what have the "11.6 mil" people that pay 180 dollars got to do with the fact that i or the other billions of people that dont play wow trust blizzard?
The other billions?? LOL some of u wow haters just go of next level tangents. So the other billions that dont play wow, dont trust blizzard? jesus no wounder these forums have bee going downhill for years. This whole site is based on lies, deciet and just down right next level tangents.
What about the billions that hate Warhammer, EQ, UO, STARWARS etc etc? Because its quite obviuos if u are talking about billions then. not even half of these players even come to anywhere near to the ACTIVE paying playerbase wow has, so that must mean even more billions hate all these games and more.
blizz does nice games, but makes horrible expansions
wow-pre-expansions was a nice game, and they started to fuck up the game with expansions, the have been linving 2-3 years re using grahipcs, script bosses, items, scenarios, etc etc
even in d3 screens u can see wow-mob untouched graphics, they are the crap of the crapest re using graphics, that really makes me get bored of their games
blizz does nice games, but makes horrible expansions wow-pre-expansions was a nice game, and they started to fuck up the game with expansions, the have been linving 2-3 years re using grahipcs, script bosses, items, scenarios, etc etc
even in d3 screens u can see wow-mob untouched graphics, they are the crap of the crapest re using graphics, that really makes me get bored of their games
Does the dribble of crap you spout come natrually to you? or does it take alot of practice?
The other billions?? LOL some of u wow haters just go of next level tangents. So the other billions that dont play wow, dont trust blizzard? jesus no wounder these forums have bee going downhill for years. This whole site is based on lies, deciet and just down right next level tangents.
What about the billions that hate Warhammer, EQ, UO, STARWARS etc etc? Because its quite obviuos if u are talking about billions then. not even half of these players even come to anywhere near to the ACTIVE paying playerbase wow has, so that must mean even more billions hate all these games and more.
I dont hate wow, but I dont need 11 million people to tell me what i think. and i said I or the other billions which is just as irrelivant then the 11 million
blizz does nice games, but makes horrible expansions wow-pre-expansions was a nice game, and they started to fuck up the game with expansions, the have been linving 2-3 years re using grahipcs, script bosses, items, scenarios, etc etc
even in d3 screens u can see wow-mob untouched graphics, they are the crap of the crapest re using graphics, that really makes me get bored of their games
BC and Wrath are way better than origional WoW.
I'm sorry but actually having itemization that makes LOGICAL SENSE is a good thing.
Having classes actually ATTEMPTED to be balanced rather than just a rock paper sissors schtick.
Trying to get 25 people organized instead of 40.
These are all great things, great great things.
Why is it every time a person stops playing a game they assume that EVERYONE else feels the same way they do?
I've played WoW off and on since release, every time I come back I find something new to love about it.
Sometimes I think about starting up WoW again, but I quickly get a kind of "meh" feeling when I start thinking about what I would be doing in the game. And when I look at what Blizzard have provided as so called expansions and dare to charge me extra for I see nothing but a repetition of the already core element of the game: to acquiring new gear to acquiring new gear to acquiring new gear to be able to look exactly like anybody else of the same class as you.
I am not looking particually forward to any game Blizzard might be producing as it seems their game creativity and desire to experiment with innovative ideas is at an all time low. Double "meh".
blizz does nice games, but makes horrible expansions wow-pre-expansions was a nice game, and they started to fuck up the game with expansions, the have been linving 2-3 years re using grahipcs, script bosses, items, scenarios, etc etc
even in d3 screens u can see wow-mob untouched graphics, they are the crap of the crapest re using graphics, that really makes me get bored of their games
BC and Wrath are way better than origional WoW.
I'm sorry but actually having itemization that makes LOGICAL SENSE is a good thing.
Having classes actually ATTEMPTED to be balanced rather than just a rock paper sissors schtick.
Trying to get 25 people organized instead of 40.
These are all great things, great great things.
Why is it every time a person stops playing a game they assume that EVERYONE else feels the same way they do?
I've played WoW off and on since release, every time I come back I find something new to love about it.
i have played wow up to wrath, 3 chars full gear, all content cleaned before this patch, aah, i cleaned content with pickups in hero mode, but uldar.. that is crap
and in all ways they still copy graphics and items and IA scripts from previous expansions and for me now, is the borest game i ever played
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Well, I completely trust Blizzard... to make a hugely successful game. I mean, once the cards are down, that's what they are.
If you look at WoW for just what it is, a huge, well polished game, that puts a strong focus on their casual audience, you'll see that they're absolutely true to their word. They say they're making the game easier, and they are. I played WoW, and I don't anymore. That's that. It's not that I don't trust Blizzard, it's that I trust that they'll make something for casual players. Unless they dramatically change their perspective on the market before their next MMO launches, then I probably won't buy in.
Wrath of the Lich King.
Paid faction transfers upcoming
Mountain Spew crap bots
Paid power leveling services which is all recruit a friend is.
At least SOE kept releasing content. Unlike Blizzard who have basically diverted all money made from WoW into other projects and only release half assed rehashed rubbish knowing full well the braindead, dumb fanboi idiots will lick up any slop Blizzard dishes out.
So you're askin me if Blizzard made a new MMO, with all the accumulated experience from running the numba 1 MMO for 5 years straight, would I play? And I answer you sir HELL (to-the-muthafookin) YEAH!! Are you kidding me? Nothing but hits under their belts and they adapt to their players. What other company would you suggest? God....kids these days...so anally uptight that it's no wonder crap spews forth from their mouths......
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Nintendo Wii is a hit too. Go play that.
Infact, we must always do whatever the boxoffice/sales charts tell us to because quantity=quality.
Transformers 2 $800,000,000 worldwide and counting. Must be a great film, eh?
I played a Retribution Paladin for nearly 5 years as my main. I think i speak for everyone that has done the same by saying,
HELL NO
Has nothing to do with trust.
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ?
)
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
Yes, i would trust blizzard again. Even though they did turn heal from what they said in the first 8 mths (mainly the PvP BG's were only ment as a fix for the PvE servers, something better was in the works for the PvP servers that ended up being canned and BG's were the main focus), then there would be joint EU/US servers were friends could meet up that was also dropped 8 mths after release. Why they do that i dont know, blizard shouldnt need to, Sony can do it, blizard should be able to as well. Can understand smaller companies not being able to, but now i think its a fart assed route of hitting customers with more wallet abuse if they wanted to team with friends.
Why, well this has been their 1st sole online subscription based game and it has held the #1 topspot for the past 4yrs, toppling the current EQ/UO and others that were at the top back then. Not only that, but they have brought in new idea's to the genre (and also sucky things too), its been a learning curve that they should have worked out alot of what players are after now.
Hopefully they wiull incorprate the good idea's from WoW (and any other games) as well as bring in even more good things and remove the bad things players didnt like (grinding/questing will always be there in every game so these dont count).
So if blizard can do that, then yes, i probably will purchase their next online mmo. Wasnt bothered about starcraft myself. I am however looking forward to Diablo 3 and yes i have bought all blizard games released so far on the PC (except some warcraft 2 expansion packs).
Just because something is the most popular doesn't make it the best for everyone. Example: Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers.
The question is: "Will you trust Blizzard again after Wow?"
There is no wrong answer because each person knows what they like in an MMO. I like deep compelling worlds with massive environments and a well fleshed out world PvP system. I like fighting over objectives with other players. I very much dislike gear grinds, gear based games, over the top flashy gear, and most of all instanced arcade like PvP.
To me I don't trust Blizzard to make an MMORPG that will appeal to me. I trust they will make an extremely popular game that the masses will play. I trust they will make Diablo 3 the shit, and Starcraft 2 will be unbelievable. I love the company, but I disagree with their vision of what a good MMORPG is regardless if they have billions of subs or not. All of my favorite MMO's have around 250-500k subs on average throughout their lifetime.
Word. As far as the quote above I see it more as a consistent pattern of quality games.
Guess I don't really "get" the question. I mean it's not like Blizz is a person who committed a violent crime and now I have to trust them to stay at my house. I'm not a fanboi or hater of any "gaming" company. Make a good product, get my money. Don't and you won't.
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate!?
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ?
)
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
For one noone ever said you paid blizzard anything.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
grab an anti Funcom thread and stick it next to this one and the only difference would be the word AoC instead of WoW. These people really need to get a freaken grip and stop yelling out betreyal and broken promises everytime something is changed/cut.
If you want to see a betreyal then just look at SWG. Nothing comes even close to that so stop yer whining.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Crazy concept;
WoW has been huge for like 6 years now and it sbeen loved by millions regardless of direction which I actualy support the direction I like balanced PvP but thats beside the point. With a game of this calibur how can you not anticipate the next blizz title. Sc2 Diablo 3 the new mmo.. I am looking forward to all 3, remember games are games your not suppose to pick 1 game and play it for the rest of your life, play it love it tire of it and move on to next. If the game was really good much like WoW you will likely make a return try a new character perhaps etc who knows whoc ares long as you having fun you are winning.
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ?
)
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
For one noone ever said you paid blizzard anything.
so then what have the "11.6 mil" people that pay 180 dollars got to do with the fact that i or the other billions of people that dont play wow trust blizzard?
QFT.
Has nothing to do with trust.
HAHA,
So people who PAY out of their pockets ....180 dollars a year just to keep PLAYING ... has nothing to do with trust.
Jesus, you ONLY pay such amounts of money when you WANT to do it.
im not people and im not paying blizzard anything.
A pity you are not the center of the universe are you ?
)
Well guess what: : frustration is your part, I am having the fun part.
what makes you think im frustrated?
For one noone ever said you paid blizzard anything.
so then what have the "11.6 mil" people that pay 180 dollars got to do with the fact that i or the other billions of people that dont play wow trust blizzard?
The other billions?? LOL some of u wow haters just go of next level tangents. So the other billions that dont play wow, dont trust blizzard? jesus no wounder these forums have bee going downhill for years. This whole site is based on lies, deciet and just down right next level tangents.
What about the billions that hate Warhammer, EQ, UO, STARWARS etc etc? Because its quite obviuos if u are talking about billions then. not even half of these players even come to anywhere near to the ACTIVE paying playerbase wow has, so that must mean even more billions hate all these games and more.
blizz does nice games, but makes horrible expansions
wow-pre-expansions was a nice game, and they started to fuck up the game with expansions, the have been linving 2-3 years re using grahipcs, script bosses, items, scenarios, etc etc
even in d3 screens u can see wow-mob untouched graphics, they are the crap of the crapest re using graphics, that really makes me get bored of their games
Does the dribble of crap you spout come natrually to you? or does it take alot of practice?
The other billions?? LOL some of u wow haters just go of next level tangents. So the other billions that dont play wow, dont trust blizzard? jesus no wounder these forums have bee going downhill for years. This whole site is based on lies, deciet and just down right next level tangents.
What about the billions that hate Warhammer, EQ, UO, STARWARS etc etc? Because its quite obviuos if u are talking about billions then. not even half of these players even come to anywhere near to the ACTIVE paying playerbase wow has, so that must mean even more billions hate all these games and more.
I dont hate wow, but I dont need 11 million people to tell me what i think. and i said I or the other billions which is just as irrelivant then the 11 million
BC and Wrath are way better than origional WoW.
I'm sorry but actually having itemization that makes LOGICAL SENSE is a good thing.
Having classes actually ATTEMPTED to be balanced rather than just a rock paper sissors schtick.
Trying to get 25 people organized instead of 40.
These are all great things, great great things.
Why is it every time a person stops playing a game they assume that EVERYONE else feels the same way they do?
I've played WoW off and on since release, every time I come back I find something new to love about it.
Sometimes I think about starting up WoW again, but I quickly get a kind of "meh" feeling when I start thinking about what I would be doing in the game. And when I look at what Blizzard have provided as so called expansions and dare to charge me extra for I see nothing but a repetition of the already core element of the game: to acquiring new gear to acquiring new gear to acquiring new gear to be able to look exactly like anybody else of the same class as you.
I am not looking particually forward to any game Blizzard might be producing as it seems their game creativity and desire to experiment with innovative ideas is at an all time low. Double "meh".
NO! Blizzard turned to a pretty greedy company.
Throwing low quality patches like 3.2!
Even asking for money to watch the stream of blizzcon?
I know that every company seeks profits but each company draws a line and retains some qualities.
After 5 years of playing WoW Im sad to say but Blizzard is just greedy.
BC and Wrath are way better than origional WoW.
I'm sorry but actually having itemization that makes LOGICAL SENSE is a good thing.
Having classes actually ATTEMPTED to be balanced rather than just a rock paper sissors schtick.
Trying to get 25 people organized instead of 40.
These are all great things, great great things.
Why is it every time a person stops playing a game they assume that EVERYONE else feels the same way they do?
I've played WoW off and on since release, every time I come back I find something new to love about it.
i have played wow up to wrath, 3 chars full gear, all content cleaned before this patch, aah, i cleaned content with pickups in hero mode, but uldar.. that is crap
and in all ways they still copy graphics and items and IA scripts from previous expansions and for me now, is the borest game i ever played