Lemme guess, your running the game on a trash system at low graphic settings? Just a few counter points.
-The game's graphics destroy CoX. It's not even close. In fact saying otherwise makes you look like a damned idiot.
-The power animations are outstanding, I'm not sure what more you want. There better than any other game, even Aion.
-I never had any major issue with bugs, but even if I did... it was beta, and still is beta. What do you expect?
-The game got a difficulty bump recently, but It is lacking in low level team content. There are lairs in the mid/high levels for groups. They probably need to add more. There are Cosmic and Legendary villains that roam maps that require large groups as well. Like I said, it could use more... but honestly it didn't launch with less group end game content than any other MMO.
You Bill Roper remark is ignorant on several levels(and you probably have no idea why), and pretty much concretes my initial assumption by the format of your post that you opinion is worth a pile of dung.
I think the trick to newly released MMO's is that you need to not expect a revolution in gaming, but rather an evolution. Take CO for what it is -- an action MMORPG. Play it for it's fun factor alone -- don't try to force it to be something it will not be (i.e. the next best MMORPG is all the categories). I look at all aspects when deciding on an MMORPG, thanks. I had fun with CO as an action game with MMO and RPG elements. However, I did go in trying not to expect much as I knew this game, and every other MMORPG, will not be the next best thing, just a game coming from a different yet similar approach.
I might want more MMO and RPG in my game than you do.
My question is this: Would you choose this over CoX, or wait for another Supers game?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I think the trick to newly released MMO's is that you need to not expect a revolution in gaming, but rather an evolution. Take CO for what it is -- an action MMORPG. Play it for it's fun factor alone -- don't try to force it to be something it will not be (i.e. the next best MMORPG is all the categories). I look at all aspects when deciding on an MMORPG, thanks. I had fun with CO as an action game with MMO and RPG elements. However, I did go in trying not to expect much as I knew this game, and every other MMORPG, will not be the next best thing, just a game coming from a different yet similar approach.
I might want more MMO and RPG in my game than you do.
My question is this: Would you choose this over CoX, or wait for another Supers game?
Lemme guess, your running the game on a trash system at low graphic settings? Just a few counter points.
-The game's graphics destroy CoX. It's not even close. In fact saying otherwise makes you look like a damned idiot. -The power animations are outstanding, I'm not sure what more you want. There better than any other game, even Aion. -I never had any major issue with bugs, but even if I did... it was beta, and still is beta. What do you expect? -The game got a difficulty bump recently, but It is lacking in low level team content. There are lairs in the mid/high levels for groups. They probably need to add more. There are Cosmic and Legendary villains that roam maps that require large groups as well. Like I said, it could use more... but honestly it didn't launch with less group end game content than any other MMO.
You Bill Roper remark is ignorant on several levels(and you probably have no idea why), and pretty much concretes my initial assumption by the format of your post that you opinion is worth a pile of dung.
Oh look, some of that Fanboi love the OP mentioned.
Nice to see CO has a mature, friendly community, sort of like DF it appears.
It would have been nice for OP to mention his system specs, sounds like peoples results have varied, but perhaps OP has higher expectations than others?
Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
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I have had no problems with the Beta. Yes there could be a bit more grouping content in the early levels, but seriously, my brother and I played up to level 15 grouped together and we had a blast. I dont know, I group with people to have fun but if you mean group content like forcing players to group in order to grind missions like in CoX, this isnt that game. THat is one aspect of CoX that I hated, trying to level at a respectable pace meant grouping with people and just grinding missions with purple conning mobs.
I really cannot see any aspect of CoX that is better than CO is regards to where CoX was when it was released. I liked CoX and I still do, but honestly, when I think about that game when it was released and even when it was in its beta phase (which I tested) it was alot more shallow than CO is right now. All the costume options and power replacers and stuff was not ingame at that time.
Graphics? Yea its comic book style, and thats been touted by the Devs for a long time, so dont come here and act like its a big surprise and you never knew about it.
The flaws that alot of people are having in my opinion are these:
1) You are comparing CO to games that have been out for 2+ years
2) You assume that new MMOs should have the depth of content that MMOs that have had YEARS of Development and playerbase feedback/whining
3) You expect revolutionary gameplay right out of the box.
Yes the game needs improvement, but honestly in this phase of beta, I was and still am having a blast and am very excited for the release. When I see things that I do not like, I report it on the forums and let the devs know my opinion, but I dont rant and say the game sucks. If you want the game to go in a different direction, there are tools to let the devs know if you are serious about giving constructive critism.
Originally posted by Kyleran Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
Contrary to popular belief, opinions can indeed by "wrong."
If I was of the opinion that Barrack Obama was not an African American, I would be wrong.
If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong.
The key here, is that uninformed opinions can indeed be wrong. Ignorance to fact and logic certainly outweighs ones perceptions.
That being said, the OP is entitled to feel how he feels about the game, but makes rather weak arguments and as such I would consider his opinion to be uninformed and thusly will disregard anything he has to say about this game.
At the end of playtest that finished like 8 days ago I suddenly did encounter a power I couldnt unspec out of and on wedn the first thing I checked was if I could unspec out of it and suprisingly I could. Basically I didnt check all abilities with that issue, but some of them were fixed between the sunday and wedn of last week. Oh and it was only like 8 out of 225 powers that even had the issue before the fix from what I followed on the bug forum.
Originally posted by Kyleran Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
Contrary to popular belief, opinions can indeed by "wrong."
If I was of the opinion that Barrack Obama was not an African American, I would be wrong.
If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong.
I suppose in that sense, you are correct. However, it takes a very special person to have an opinion about a fact. The two are polar opposites. Opinions are meant to be applied to subjective matter, not concrete fact.
In MMO forums, we discuss subjective matters, hence opinions really cant be wrong.
1) You are comparing CO to games that have been out for 2+ years 2) You assume that new MMOs should have the depth of content that MMOs that have had YEARS of Development and playerbase feedback/whining 3) You expect revolutionary gameplay right out of the box.
Of course people are comparing it to City of Heroes, because players will have to option of either game to play. So if there is a game that has more content and is more fleshed out, why pay the same or more to play one that isn't? I don't play MMOs for their potential in 2 years I play MMOs to have fun now.
I do expect better gameplay out of new MMOs, because I expect MMOs to learn from those that came before. That's like saying all MMOs should release as text based and build themselves up to modern day since they shouldn't use what other games have done since. As a player I want each new MMO to be better and more evolved then those before it. Just like I want my car to be improved and not still a Model T.
I think you are far too lenient on MMOs and I am sure MMO companies are happy to have people who will pay for a game for 2 years because of what it might be after that time. I am one of the many who will pay a MMO for what it is currently.
But I do think CO will get a good player base even if every review is terrible, only because of it's IP value. Just like SWG when it first released could of been nothing but a guy with a blaster and all the Star Wars fans still would of picked up a copy to be in that world.
Lemme guess, your running the game on a trash system at low graphic settings? Just a few counter points.
-The game's graphics destroy CoX. It's not even close. In fact saying otherwise makes you look like a damned idiot. -The power animations are outstanding, I'm not sure what more you want. There better than any other game, even Aion. -I never had any major issue with bugs, but even if I did... it was beta, and still is beta. What do you expect? -The game got a difficulty bump recently, but It is lacking in low level team content. There are lairs in the mid/high levels for groups. They probably need to add more. There are Cosmic and Legendary villains that roam maps that require large groups as well. Like I said, it could use more... but honestly it didn't launch with less group end game content than any other MMO.
You Bill Roper remark is ignorant on several levels(and you probably have no idea why), and pretty much concretes my initial assumption by the format of your post that you opinion is worth a pile of dung.
Oh look, some of that Fanboi love the OP mentioned.
Nice to see CO has a mature, friendly community, sort of like DF it appears.
It would have been nice for OP to mention his system specs, sounds like peoples results have varied, but perhaps OP has higher expectations than others?
Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
Actually, on some of the OPs points, he indeed can be wrong. Apparently, though, it serves your interests better to paint people as fanboys and try to dismiss their arguments entirely.
Complaining about bugs in an MMO? Every MMO has bugs. Especially in beta. This point was wrong. They shouldn't have given Bill Roper the keys to the office? That point is also wrong. Bill Roper is only one person on the dev team. Of course then the OP goes to draw comparisons between CoX and CO. So Bill Roper screwed everything up, but look how much the game is like the company's previous game which Bill Roper had nothing to do with? Wrong.
I've got no problem with someone not liking the game. You need to be accurate in what you say about it though. I honestly don't think the OP really knew what he was talking about. As for you? Well, I'm sure you'll just call me a "fanboi" anyways.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Originally posted by Kyleran Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
Contrary to popular belief, opinions can indeed by "wrong."
If I was of the opinion that Barrack Obama was not an African American, I would be wrong.
If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong.
The key here, is that uninformed opinions can indeed be wrong. Ignorance to fact and logic certainly outweighs ones perceptions.
That being said, the OP is entitled to feel how he feels about the game, but makes rather weak arguments and as such I would consider his opinion to be uninformed and thusly will disregard anything he has to say about this game.
Contrary to your belief opinions can't be wrong. For something to truly be an opinion it can't be a scientific fact. So it wouldn't be an opinion that the Sun revolves around the earth because the contrary is something that can be factually proven. For a person to say "I don't like the character creation, it sucks" it can not be wrong because that is completly an opinion on how character creation should be done, there is no right or wrong.
But anyone that has already decided to love CO will not want to hear negative opinions about the game and will make ridiculous statements like "opinions can be wrong".
Definition of opinion:
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
Pay close attention to the "insufficient to produce complete certainty" part of the defintion, that alone means an opinion can not be wrong and that is a fact.
The only time an opinion can be wrong is when the person is wrong about it being an opinion. So to use your example "If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong." you would be wrong about it being an opinion because the subject matter can be factually determined.
1) You are comparing CO to games that have been out for 2+ years 2) You assume that new MMOs should have the depth of content that MMOs that have had YEARS of Development and playerbase feedback/whining 3) You expect revolutionary gameplay right out of the box.
Of course people are comparing it to City of Heroes, because players will have to option of either game to play. So if there is a game that has more content and is more fleshed out, why pay the same or more to play one that isn't? I don't play MMOs for their potential in 2 years I play MMOs to have fun now.
I do expect better gameplay out of new MMOs, because I expect MMOs to learn from those that came before. That's like saying all MMOs should release as text based and build themselves up to modern day since they shouldn't use what other games have done since. As a player I want each new MMO to be better and more evolved then those before it. Just like I want my car to be improved and not still a Model T.
I think you are far too lenient on MMOs and I am sure MMO companies are happy to have people who will pay for a game for 2 years because of what it might be after that time. I am one of the many who will pay a MMO for what it is currently.
But I do think CO will get a good player base even if every review is terrible, only because of it's IP value. Just like SWG when it first released could of been nothing but a guy with a blaster and all the Star Wars fans still would of picked up a copy to be in that world.
You are welcome to stay with other MMOs and compare them to MMOs about to be released. But the problem lies in the fact that someone says "game X sucks comared to game Y" because "game Y has ABC and game X has only C".
Its rediculous that people say that new games suck because they dont have all the bells and whistles that 2+ year old games have and that those games took 2+ years to even have the time to implement it.
That was one of the worst reviews I have ever read. I hope you're not native to the English language. The only interest I have in Champions Online is for an Xbox MMO, and I probably won't get the game at all because its always looked terrible from the very first moment. But I tried to give this review a read and it was just wretched.... A+ for effort though. Next time... try wording yourself clearly and providing more detailed examples of all your little points of hate.
Laughing out loud yes just like the first (harsh)review.
Um well I just know for my self I will have to enjoy it, it is something new and Aion is boring. So I am sticking with CO. Remember it is Open beta and when it is on full release it may or may not change but we have years to see this new MMO grow and from the look of it to my eyes...later on it will be great. So give it time to grow, play it, have fun.
You will 'have' to enjoy it?
Why?
I never understood this mindset, and it seems to only come from MMO gamers. They'll have a choice from a bunch of options, all of which are crap, but will play whichever one is least crappy, just so they can play something. I'm starting to wonder if its not the games themselves that are addictive, but the genre as a whole.
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Its something i would say to a friend if he asked me : " Is CO worth playing ? "
As for my system spec : Its Geforce 8800 GT , Dual core with 4 GB mem on win XP. Its fairly mid range, but capable PC.
And fanboys will be fanboys. I know it is a dry season for MMOs. And we all crave a good game. And some tend to see any new game trough pink spectacles...
Its my oppinion based on my experiences in beta. Its something i would say to a friend if he asked me : " Is CO worth playing ? "
As for my system spec : Its Geforce 8800 GT , Dual core with 4 GB mem on win XP. Its fairly mid range, but capable PC.
And fanboys will be fanboys. I know it is a dry season for MMOs. And we all crave a good game. And some tend to see any new game trough pink spectacles... I can not blame them
2 things:
1) "oppinion" is spelled "opinion".
2) Just because people disagree with your extremely vague and overly negative opinion does not make them "fanboys". A majority of people are just asking you for more substance in your review, which you've now made apparent to us that you dont have. If you write a review, expect to be criticized. If you arent willing to take that criticism and back up your points with more concrete information, then DONT WRITE A REVIEW. You can't simply blow off anyone who slams you as a fanboy... especially after that tripe you're attempting to pass off as a review.
the graphics are a matter of opinion. from the screen shots they look like the DBZ games i've played and i like that style of graphics and it fits the games comic book style.
Its my oppinion based on my experiences in beta. Its something i would say to a friend if he asked me : " Is CO worth playing ? "
As for my system spec : Its Geforce 8800 GT , Dual core with 4 GB mem on win XP. Its fairly mid range, but capable PC.
And fanboys will be fanboys. I know it is a dry season for MMOs. And we all crave a good game. And some tend to see any new game trough pink spectacles... I can not blame them
Actually, you ignore the fact that we proved some of the things you said about the game to be wrong. I guess if you call us fanboys for proving you wrong, we're supposed to call you a troll? I don't get it.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Gameplay This should be redeeming quality. But lets say combat is good. It feels ok and its fun. Its nothing great. And to top this. There is no group dynamics. And the whole game is completely SOLO oriented.
I have to say that this 'review' brought almost nothing to the table. I'm neither a fan of CO nor a detractor, I'll probably pick it up at some point when I get bored with my current games, so I don't have any reason to flame here.
That said, why even bother to post your opinion unless you can cite specifics. With the NDA now history, statements like 'it feels ok and its fun' are just unacceptable.
If you're going to post as a sort of public service or whatever, at least pretend to be informed. As it stands, it seems like people should just take your word for it since you offer zero evidence for your claims.
Perhaps you should go into politics, provided you can hire a competent speech writer; at least that way you'd be grammatically correct while saying absolutely nothing.
Taking a step back and looking at CO, I have to give the game a "C" grade. It does some things nice, but its so shallow on content a good many may stop playing after a month. If you play 10-12 hours a week, you'd hit the cap in a month. This is assuming you don't bother crafting, and you stuck to one char. I don't say this to trash the game, but people who loved it and hated it both agree the game has little content.
Just a little on my opinion:
Graphics: Average. There are moments of horror and moments of awe. There are a few graphic glitches here and there. But graphics have little to do with a game fun so I don't put much stock in them. (See AOC vs WOW or AC)
Power Balance: They aren't. But I didn't expect them to be. Since you can mix and match powers, you can come up with killer combos. You can make almost any char you want. If this is important to you, then the game is a good buy. They will be adding more powers so it can only get better. The only problem is they keep changing powers drasticly and I have a feeling this will continue after beta. I wish they had done more focus testing on combat after they put in stats.
Solo Content: You can solo anything with the right power combo. There are a few mobs that are meant for groups, but most of the game you can zip right through on your own. Quests can be boring and unimaginative. They did bring back camping mobs and spawns. Watch out for the person who waits for you to attack the mob and steal your quest update right from under you.
Group Content: Very little. A few dungeons, a few bosses. Their idea of group content is to flood an area with so many tough mobs that you'll die walking 10 feet. Someone said to pick support powers for more group content. I read this as cripple your character to force you to group. You have enough power slots to make a solo/group guy so that's no biggie either way. This will change as devs learn to design levels to fit the audience. Reference COX zone rebuilds.
Gameplay: They really made combat feel much better at the end of beta. You have to spam end builder a little less and they went with a glass half full approach to the end bar.
Crafting: Was so stupid I gave up on it in early beta. I heard its better but I'll put off trying it till they force me to.
PvP: This is actually fun. It has little impact on the game but can offer a big distraction from the shallow content. The powers keep chaning for balance sake so be prepared for your dangerous combo to be slapped with a 60 second timer.
High Level content: None really. Do not be in a big hurry to get there. It boils down to radio missions from COX with a store attached. The 1st update should take care of this.
CO is really a decent game. Its not great...just a nice distraction. The problem is, it has so many little negative points that it will probably fail to keep a decent size audience. I can't see myself suggesting someone play this MMO as a solid buy. I'd suggest you give it a good look...maybe wait for you tube videos to pop up so you can take a peek before you throw down the money.
I played it and found the tutorial area to be like everyother mmorpg I've played and I found the combat to be really crap so I didn't like it myself. How many more mmorpgs are gonna force me to do these stupid boring grind quests when I already know how to play the game. I'm fedup of having to grind and grind to get to the good part of the game. The combat wasn't even fun anyways so I found nothing to like about the game.
swtor is the last chance I give the genre and then I'm gonna stop gaming.
Before release people bash them and the fanbois come out defending the game. Once released the game gets shit on and everyone hates it and the fanbois are chased away.
Warning. I am going to focus on negative aspects. If you want a review that sugarcoats the truth. Or talks about the game from point of fanboy in love. Please skip this. Otherwise , if you want to hear about bad things before you jump in..read on
As great fan of PnP champions games, avid comics reader , roleplayer, altholic and well ... former COH/COV player. I was very excited by the chance to participate in CO beta.
Lets start right out of the bat - Champions Online is City of Heroes 2 Its just game that asks question , if we would make City of Heroes again. What would we change ?
And so Cryptic did. But did they succeed , or more so was the change for better ?
Not entirely. Or to be even more harsh. Its hardly worth (if at all) switching over.
Lets start with character creation. Its improved. But for each thing fixed, another one is broken. For every thing added, another is taken away. On the end I feel COH almost has the upper hand.
Which brings me to the graphic. And i am talking as professional graphic designer (cause this is how i make my living) Let start from OUTLINES - cell shading. It is horrible. You will disable it first moment you see it. But the whole rendering engine is simply bad. Picture is jagged, and if you use Antialiasing , it becomes blurry. They really used some funky rendering engine. Perhaps in anticipation of XBOX port ?
Level design is good during tutorial missions. But once you exit , and join the game world you are in for surprise! Just take trip to Millennium City , for jaw dropping wake up call! COH cities look 10 times better!? Millennium city is place of BLOCKS , with 8 bit like textures, and virtually no little details. Its light years below COH graphic... shame i didnt make no screenshots, cause i was to shocked to see this.
Its almost like AOC with its 20 tutorial levels galore , and sub par game afterwise...
Animations ... nothing to write home about. Let just say, pretty similar to COH (same crew ?)
But lets go on. Instancing. Whole game is split into 100 man instances. Is this good ? Depends on your taste.
Bugs.. Let just say that Gadgeteer archetype has pets (robots) , and they are so bugged most of the game you will have no idea where and what are they doing. Or let say you can respec your skills. But if you took a bugged skill. You can never respec again...
Gameplay This should be redeeming quality. But lets say combat is good. It feels ok and its fun. Its nothing great. And to top this. There is no group dynamics. And the whole game is completely SOLO oriented.
So is there something good? Well. I guess ability to (limited) pick and combine skills. Its quite fun to try and create crazy combinations.
What can I say more ? Bill Roper ? Big mistake giving that guys key to Cryptic offices.
All in all. This are bed things. There are some good ones too. But not enough to make this game more than a passing hit. It will be fun for a month maximum two , and than it will face fate AOC and WAR , know to well.
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Oh dear god that was bloody painful to read and make sense of.
Before release people bash them and the fanbois come out defending the game. Once released the game gets shit on and everyone hates it and the fanbois are chased away.
How bout actually reading the thread instead of assuming that everything exists in black and white. Yes, his OP is getting bashed, but it's not just "fanbois" coming to defend the game. It's people like me, who havent touched the game, asking the OP quite simply for firm details as to what he doesn't like. If you want to be a reviewer of the game, at least be responsible enough to post good details about what you didnt like so that people like me can go in with some things in mind to test and give feedback on.
I dont care if you wrote it on your coffee break or english isnt your first language. If you're going to write a review, its content should reflect something worthy of being labeled as such and you better be ready to back it up/discuss it when people have different opinions.
Its my oppinion based on my experiences in beta. Its something i would say to a friend if he asked me : " Is CO worth playing ? "
As for my system spec : Its Geforce 8800 GT , Dual core with 4 GB mem on win XP. Its fairly mid range, but capable PC.
And fanboys will be fanboys. I know it is a dry season for MMOs. And we all crave a good game. And some tend to see any new game trough pink spectacles... I can not blame them
Lobotomist, people who disagree with you are not necessarily fanboys.
You are not the alpha and omega of the world.
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Lemme guess, your running the game on a trash system at low graphic settings? Just a few counter points.
-The game's graphics destroy CoX. It's not even close. In fact saying otherwise makes you look like a damned idiot.
-The power animations are outstanding, I'm not sure what more you want. There better than any other game, even Aion.
-I never had any major issue with bugs, but even if I did... it was beta, and still is beta. What do you expect?
-The game got a difficulty bump recently, but It is lacking in low level team content. There are lairs in the mid/high levels for groups. They probably need to add more. There are Cosmic and Legendary villains that roam maps that require large groups as well. Like I said, it could use more... but honestly it didn't launch with less group end game content than any other MMO.
You Bill Roper remark is ignorant on several levels(and you probably have no idea why), and pretty much concretes my initial assumption by the format of your post that you opinion is worth a pile of dung.
I might want more MMO and RPG in my game than you do.
My question is this: Would you choose this over CoX, or wait for another Supers game?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I might want more MMO and RPG in my game than you do.
My question is this: Would you choose this over CoX, or wait for another Supers game?
id choose CO over CoX.
Oh look, some of that Fanboi love the OP mentioned.
Nice to see CO has a mature, friendly community, sort of like DF it appears.
It would have been nice for OP to mention his system specs, sounds like peoples results have varied, but perhaps OP has higher expectations than others?
Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
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I have had no problems with the Beta. Yes there could be a bit more grouping content in the early levels, but seriously, my brother and I played up to level 15 grouped together and we had a blast. I dont know, I group with people to have fun but if you mean group content like forcing players to group in order to grind missions like in CoX, this isnt that game. THat is one aspect of CoX that I hated, trying to level at a respectable pace meant grouping with people and just grinding missions with purple conning mobs.
I really cannot see any aspect of CoX that is better than CO is regards to where CoX was when it was released. I liked CoX and I still do, but honestly, when I think about that game when it was released and even when it was in its beta phase (which I tested) it was alot more shallow than CO is right now. All the costume options and power replacers and stuff was not ingame at that time.
Graphics? Yea its comic book style, and thats been touted by the Devs for a long time, so dont come here and act like its a big surprise and you never knew about it.
The flaws that alot of people are having in my opinion are these:
1) You are comparing CO to games that have been out for 2+ years
2) You assume that new MMOs should have the depth of content that MMOs that have had YEARS of Development and playerbase feedback/whining
3) You expect revolutionary gameplay right out of the box.
Yes the game needs improvement, but honestly in this phase of beta, I was and still am having a blast and am very excited for the release. When I see things that I do not like, I report it on the forums and let the devs know my opinion, but I dont rant and say the game sucks. If you want the game to go in a different direction, there are tools to let the devs know if you are serious about giving constructive critism.
Contrary to popular belief, opinions can indeed by "wrong."
If I was of the opinion that Barrack Obama was not an African American, I would be wrong.
If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong.
The key here, is that uninformed opinions can indeed be wrong. Ignorance to fact and logic certainly outweighs ones perceptions.
That being said, the OP is entitled to feel how he feels about the game, but makes rather weak arguments and as such I would consider his opinion to be uninformed and thusly will disregard anything he has to say about this game.
Your opinion is immaterial.
Some actual up to date info.
At the end of playtest that finished like 8 days ago I suddenly did encounter a power I couldnt unspec out of and on wedn the first thing I checked was if I could unspec out of it and suprisingly I could. Basically I didnt check all abilities with that issue, but some of them were fixed between the sunday and wedn of last week. Oh and it was only like 8 out of 225 powers that even had the issue before the fix from what I followed on the bug forum.
Contrary to popular belief, opinions can indeed by "wrong."
If I was of the opinion that Barrack Obama was not an African American, I would be wrong.
If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong.
I suppose in that sense, you are correct. However, it takes a very special person to have an opinion about a fact. The two are polar opposites. Opinions are meant to be applied to subjective matter, not concrete fact.
In MMO forums, we discuss subjective matters, hence opinions really cant be wrong.
Of course people are comparing it to City of Heroes, because players will have to option of either game to play. So if there is a game that has more content and is more fleshed out, why pay the same or more to play one that isn't? I don't play MMOs for their potential in 2 years I play MMOs to have fun now.
I do expect better gameplay out of new MMOs, because I expect MMOs to learn from those that came before. That's like saying all MMOs should release as text based and build themselves up to modern day since they shouldn't use what other games have done since. As a player I want each new MMO to be better and more evolved then those before it. Just like I want my car to be improved and not still a Model T.
I think you are far too lenient on MMOs and I am sure MMO companies are happy to have people who will pay for a game for 2 years because of what it might be after that time. I am one of the many who will pay a MMO for what it is currently.
But I do think CO will get a good player base even if every review is terrible, only because of it's IP value. Just like SWG when it first released could of been nothing but a guy with a blaster and all the Star Wars fans still would of picked up a copy to be in that world.
Oh look, some of that Fanboi love the OP mentioned.
Nice to see CO has a mature, friendly community, sort of like DF it appears.
It would have been nice for OP to mention his system specs, sounds like peoples results have varied, but perhaps OP has higher expectations than others?
Regardless, it was a post of OP's opinion, he really can't be 'wrong'.'
Actually, on some of the OPs points, he indeed can be wrong. Apparently, though, it serves your interests better to paint people as fanboys and try to dismiss their arguments entirely.
Complaining about bugs in an MMO? Every MMO has bugs. Especially in beta. This point was wrong. They shouldn't have given Bill Roper the keys to the office? That point is also wrong. Bill Roper is only one person on the dev team. Of course then the OP goes to draw comparisons between CoX and CO. So Bill Roper screwed everything up, but look how much the game is like the company's previous game which Bill Roper had nothing to do with? Wrong.
I've got no problem with someone not liking the game. You need to be accurate in what you say about it though. I honestly don't think the OP really knew what he was talking about. As for you? Well, I'm sure you'll just call me a "fanboi" anyways.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Contrary to popular belief, opinions can indeed by "wrong."
If I was of the opinion that Barrack Obama was not an African American, I would be wrong.
If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong.
The key here, is that uninformed opinions can indeed be wrong. Ignorance to fact and logic certainly outweighs ones perceptions.
That being said, the OP is entitled to feel how he feels about the game, but makes rather weak arguments and as such I would consider his opinion to be uninformed and thusly will disregard anything he has to say about this game.
Contrary to your belief opinions can't be wrong. For something to truly be an opinion it can't be a scientific fact. So it wouldn't be an opinion that the Sun revolves around the earth because the contrary is something that can be factually proven. For a person to say "I don't like the character creation, it sucks" it can not be wrong because that is completly an opinion on how character creation should be done, there is no right or wrong.
But anyone that has already decided to love CO will not want to hear negative opinions about the game and will make ridiculous statements like "opinions can be wrong".
Definition of opinion:
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
Pay close attention to the "insufficient to produce complete certainty" part of the defintion, that alone means an opinion can not be wrong and that is a fact.
The only time an opinion can be wrong is when the person is wrong about it being an opinion. So to use your example "If I was of the opinion that the Sun actually revolves around the Earth, I would be wrong." you would be wrong about it being an opinion because the subject matter can be factually determined.
Of course people are comparing it to City of Heroes, because players will have to option of either game to play. So if there is a game that has more content and is more fleshed out, why pay the same or more to play one that isn't? I don't play MMOs for their potential in 2 years I play MMOs to have fun now.
I do expect better gameplay out of new MMOs, because I expect MMOs to learn from those that came before. That's like saying all MMOs should release as text based and build themselves up to modern day since they shouldn't use what other games have done since. As a player I want each new MMO to be better and more evolved then those before it. Just like I want my car to be improved and not still a Model T.
I think you are far too lenient on MMOs and I am sure MMO companies are happy to have people who will pay for a game for 2 years because of what it might be after that time. I am one of the many who will pay a MMO for what it is currently.
But I do think CO will get a good player base even if every review is terrible, only because of it's IP value. Just like SWG when it first released could of been nothing but a guy with a blaster and all the Star Wars fans still would of picked up a copy to be in that world.
You are welcome to stay with other MMOs and compare them to MMOs about to be released. But the problem lies in the fact that someone says "game X sucks comared to game Y" because "game Y has ABC and game X has only C".
Its rediculous that people say that new games suck because they dont have all the bells and whistles that 2+ year old games have and that those games took 2+ years to even have the time to implement it.
Laughing out loud yes just like the first (harsh)review.
You will 'have' to enjoy it?
Why?
I never understood this mindset, and it seems to only come from MMO gamers. They'll have a choice from a bunch of options, all of which are crap, but will play whichever one is least crappy, just so they can play something. I'm starting to wonder if its not the games themselves that are addictive, but the genre as a whole.
see www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/247412/page/1
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Its my oppinion based on my experiences in beta.
Its something i would say to a friend if he asked me : " Is CO worth playing ? "
As for my system spec : Its Geforce 8800 GT , Dual core with 4 GB mem on win XP. Its fairly mid range, but capable PC.
And fanboys will be fanboys. I know it is a dry season for MMOs. And we all crave a good game. And some tend to see any new game trough pink spectacles...
I can not blame them
2 things:
1) "oppinion" is spelled "opinion".
2) Just because people disagree with your extremely vague and overly negative opinion does not make them "fanboys". A majority of people are just asking you for more substance in your review, which you've now made apparent to us that you dont have. If you write a review, expect to be criticized. If you arent willing to take that criticism and back up your points with more concrete information, then DONT WRITE A REVIEW. You can't simply blow off anyone who slams you as a fanboy... especially after that tripe you're attempting to pass off as a review.
the graphics are a matter of opinion. from the screen shots they look like the DBZ games i've played and i like that style of graphics and it fits the games comic book style.
Actually, you ignore the fact that we proved some of the things you said about the game to be wrong. I guess if you call us fanboys for proving you wrong, we're supposed to call you a troll? I don't get it.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I have to say that this 'review' brought almost nothing to the table. I'm neither a fan of CO nor a detractor, I'll probably pick it up at some point when I get bored with my current games, so I don't have any reason to flame here.
That said, why even bother to post your opinion unless you can cite specifics. With the NDA now history, statements like 'it feels ok and its fun' are just unacceptable.
If you're going to post as a sort of public service or whatever, at least pretend to be informed. As it stands, it seems like people should just take your word for it since you offer zero evidence for your claims.
Perhaps you should go into politics, provided you can hire a competent speech writer; at least that way you'd be grammatically correct while saying absolutely nothing.
Taking a step back and looking at CO, I have to give the game a "C" grade. It does some things nice, but its so shallow on content a good many may stop playing after a month. If you play 10-12 hours a week, you'd hit the cap in a month. This is assuming you don't bother crafting, and you stuck to one char. I don't say this to trash the game, but people who loved it and hated it both agree the game has little content.
Just a little on my opinion:
Graphics: Average. There are moments of horror and moments of awe. There are a few graphic glitches here and there. But graphics have little to do with a game fun so I don't put much stock in them. (See AOC vs WOW or AC)
Power Balance: They aren't. But I didn't expect them to be. Since you can mix and match powers, you can come up with killer combos. You can make almost any char you want. If this is important to you, then the game is a good buy. They will be adding more powers so it can only get better. The only problem is they keep changing powers drasticly and I have a feeling this will continue after beta. I wish they had done more focus testing on combat after they put in stats.
Solo Content: You can solo anything with the right power combo. There are a few mobs that are meant for groups, but most of the game you can zip right through on your own. Quests can be boring and unimaginative. They did bring back camping mobs and spawns. Watch out for the person who waits for you to attack the mob and steal your quest update right from under you.
Group Content: Very little. A few dungeons, a few bosses. Their idea of group content is to flood an area with so many tough mobs that you'll die walking 10 feet. Someone said to pick support powers for more group content. I read this as cripple your character to force you to group. You have enough power slots to make a solo/group guy so that's no biggie either way. This will change as devs learn to design levels to fit the audience. Reference COX zone rebuilds.
Gameplay: They really made combat feel much better at the end of beta. You have to spam end builder a little less and they went with a glass half full approach to the end bar.
Crafting: Was so stupid I gave up on it in early beta. I heard its better but I'll put off trying it till they force me to.
PvP: This is actually fun. It has little impact on the game but can offer a big distraction from the shallow content. The powers keep chaning for balance sake so be prepared for your dangerous combo to be slapped with a 60 second timer.
High Level content: None really. Do not be in a big hurry to get there. It boils down to radio missions from COX with a store attached. The 1st update should take care of this.
CO is really a decent game. Its not great...just a nice distraction. The problem is, it has so many little negative points that it will probably fail to keep a decent size audience. I can't see myself suggesting someone play this MMO as a solid buy. I'd suggest you give it a good look...maybe wait for you tube videos to pop up so you can take a peek before you throw down the money.
I played it and found the tutorial area to be like everyother mmorpg I've played and I found the combat to be really crap so I didn't like it myself. How many more mmorpgs are gonna force me to do these stupid boring grind quests when I already know how to play the game. I'm fedup of having to grind and grind to get to the good part of the game. The combat wasn't even fun anyways so I found nothing to like about the game.
swtor is the last chance I give the genre and then I'm gonna stop gaming.
This is how all mmorpgs have gone lately.
Before release people bash them and the fanbois come out defending the game. Once released the game gets shit on and everyone hates it and the fanbois are chased away.
Oh dear god that was bloody painful to read and make sense of.
How bout actually reading the thread instead of assuming that everything exists in black and white. Yes, his OP is getting bashed, but it's not just "fanbois" coming to defend the game. It's people like me, who havent touched the game, asking the OP quite simply for firm details as to what he doesn't like. If you want to be a reviewer of the game, at least be responsible enough to post good details about what you didnt like so that people like me can go in with some things in mind to test and give feedback on.
I dont care if you wrote it on your coffee break or english isnt your first language. If you're going to write a review, its content should reflect something worthy of being labeled as such and you better be ready to back it up/discuss it when people have different opinions.
Lobotomist, people who disagree with you are not necessarily fanboys.
You are not the alpha and omega of the world.
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