According to a statement made from an aion dev they don't have much confidience in their game beating WoW. Thats like saying why even try when we can't win, lol. So I guess now they have a reason to fall short in their game. I guarantee this will lead to them working less and less on the game and providing subpar content. What type of company settles for second place? What type of person doesn't want to be first? Plus, this is sort of saying: "Yeah, it probably isn't as good as WoW but we're okay with that." And that's the wrong message to send to customers. Shooting for second place was the strategy of Warhammer and that failed hard, so I see aion following the trend.
Jae Ho Lee, NCSoft's Chief Financial Officer "I believe the performance of Aion in the US and European markets will be very successful. ... We are guessing that Aion will be -- could be -- the second [most] successful MMO in the US market next to [I]World of Warcraft
He is referring to number of units sold, logically even if WoW did not sale another copy from this day forward and Aion sold copies just as fast as WoW did it would not be as successful as WoW is for anther 5 years or so (at least that's my interpretation)
Now if you are looking at which will be the more commonly preferred fantasy MMO of the next (X) years, I really don't know and really don't care. Doubt WoW has much longer (as the most popular) not because its a bad game at all but rather due to its age and the fact that Blizz is working on another MMO (which will prolly be as good as WoW or better and hay it will be several years newer) I believe I read something somewhere about another 2 expansions and that's it. Does this mean WoW now = bad. . . no WoW = WoW, it will always be an evolutionary step forward for MMOs in many respects and many people will argue that its also a step back but I will leave that to you all to bicker about.
On to Warhammer, Warhammer failed in my openion because of EA (not trying to blindly hate on EA) it seems clear to mean that some where in teh middle of development that the direction of the project shifted perhaps it was Mythic perhaps it was EA bethaps it was the sock monster doesn't matter it failed due to bad calls made in development producing a poorly polished title with large sections of the game that did not mesh well with each other.
WoW killers: why the hell are people talking about WoW killers? you do know that people still play EQ (1) right? what makes you think people wont still be playing WoW 5 years from now? perhaps not 12 million, and logically some other title will be the target of the such remarks but WoW isn't going to die until Blizzard turns the servers off which isn't likely going to happen any time soon rather or not some new MMO makes 13 million subscribers. perhaps your referring to the golden age of WoW well that's already dead in my opinion and the game that killed it was WoW, as is the case with prity much every MMO I have played in fact I can not think of a single MMO and I have been playing them for a decade or so that was killed by any other MMO or any other genre of game for that matter.
Now on to the CFO's statements
1) He is a CFO they tend to be a bit . . . well ignorant to reality; work around the upper edge of business long enough and you come to realize that all a CFO is good for is keeping track of the bean counters, cant actually count beans on his/her own but can watch those who do so long as you feed them a ridicules salary
2) He is referring to projected sales again he is a CFO (see the above) this is not reflective of the development houses goals and ambitions not saying what they are aiming for I really don't know nor do I care just pointing out a fact that what this man said is only useful if your trading stock and does not impact the game from the point of view of the end user unless of course NCSoft goes belly up which I doubt will happen any time soon.
3) I could continue but most will not have read this far so if your reading this here's a radioactive cookie for you have a good day
Is it just me or are WoW players so brainwashed by Blizzard that any new mmo coming out thats halfway decent they have to bash?
Soon they will move on to the new SW & FF game. I smell a cycle here !!
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I can tell you one aspect Aion will beat out wow....when it comes to my $15/month. Blizzard has ZERO chance of getting that from me. By way of comparison, I will be subbing to Aion this September. As far as me and my $15/month are concerned AION is #1.
Gotta love troll threads, they get you right where you could care less, yet we post anyway calling them out.
I for one, am no longer playing WoW. I will be playing Aion. That's it. I might go back, I might not.
I love to eat lobster, I just can't do it ALL the time but that's just me. You can do whatever you want, but anyone starts telling me that eating lobster is dumb because shrimp is the number one crustacean out there...I'll slap him with the lobster tail and say "GTFO, you'r ruining my meal monkey-nuts!"
Yeah, I actually posted a comment before I realised that he was just an Aion hater trying to stir things up. I don't think I will ever understand the troll mentality. How boring their life must be.
What is funny, even hillarious, about this thread is the fact there there are xx number of old wow noobs posting that they are no longer going to play wow and instead they are moving to a game that takes less skill , less thinking, less character development, even easyer button mashing (target spam buttons it uses your combos , follows, and attacks all for you).
And all i can say is PRO.
I wish aion was more than it was, but alas its not.
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By talking drivel and having no understanding of the MMO market if so then your doing a good job.
Aion was never going to appeal to the cartoon loving western audience on mass the asian art style is still niche over here I say good keep asshat's away from it they can stick to WOW I'll stick to playing the 2nd placed game with a decent community who the artistic style and the asian animations appeal to.
By talking drivel and having no understanding of the MMO market if so then your doing a good job.
Aion was never going to appeal to the cartoon loving western audience on mass the asian art style is still niche over here I say good keep asshat's away from it they can stick to WOW I'll stick to playing the 2nd placed game with a decent community who the artistic style and the asian animations appeal to.
Yeah it will be nice if the likes of him stay out of the Aion community & let us enjoy the game, but as Aion grows you can be sure it will get more subs like the op.....
Aion is a pvp game the community won't be very good thats usually a given. Also shooting for second place isn't a bad idea at all...
Well, NCSOft surely want to keep their feet on the ground and aiming for the 1st spot in sub numbers wouldnt be realistic for now, maybe in a couple of years. Now, what people must realise is that contrarily to Blizzard NCSoft isnt a one game publisher, and isnt itself a game developer, they have companys developing for them.
So they are aiming for 2nd spot in sub numbers with Aion, but with Guild Wars 2 not far behind, and Lineage 2 still thriving in the East, they are surely aiming at a safe 1st spot as a company, thats whats really important, because if a company is doing well, all their games will do well
Personally, I find it to be a sign of their humility, and I admire that quality. This person seems to understand the complexities that drive a gamer's decisions as well as their fickle nature.
However, you are falling prey to a common logical fallacy that correlation does not imply causation. Making a statement that they feel they will be the second most successful MMO as other MMOs have does not mean they will "fail" as others have. And what exactly is your definition of failure? If Aion gets 2 million subscribers in the same time (or less) than WoW, is that _really_ failure? That seems like a success in my book. Actually, in some cases, parking in #2 hides you from the scrutiny and barbs that being #1 attracts.
Look at WoW being in #1. It is the litmus test for success, but at the same time, it attracts the slings and arrows of client and non-client alike. Who is #2? Do you care if you play #1? Do you care if you don't play #1? Does #2 get to focus more on development of their game because they don't have to hire PR firms or send their staff out to defend the title? Isn't #2 still a successful company because they are turning a profit?
Just some food for thought. -DR
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The fact that WoW players are coming onto the Aion boards tells me a lot about the state of WoW. When I played Wow that was pretty much ALL I did. I didn't have the time or the inclination to go troll other boards.
Popularity can be a dangerous thing. I played WoW for years and the quality of the playerbase definitely went down as the game became easier and thus more popular. Hopefully Aion can skim off the good, bored players from WoW and people like the OP will stay with their game. I believe that would make us all very happy.
Of course, when I say popularity can be a dangerous thing I mean for the playerbase, not for the company profits.
Personally, I find it to be a sign of their humility, and I admire that quality. This person seems to understand the complexities that drive a gamer's decisions as well as their fickle nature. However, you are falling prey to a common logical fallacy that correlation does not imply causation. Making a statement that they feel they will be the second most successful MMO as other MMOs have does not mean they will "fail" as others have. And what exactly is your definition of failure? If Aion gets 2 million subscribers in the same time (or less) than WoW, is that _really_ failure? That seems like a success in my book. Actually, in some cases, parking in #2 hides you from the scrutiny and barbs that being #1 attracts. Look at WoW being in #1. It is the litmus test for success, but at the same time, it attracts the slings and arrows of client and non-client alike. Who is #2? Do you care if you play #1? Do you care if you don't play #1? Does #2 get to focus more on development of their game because they don't have to hire PR firms or send their staff out to defend the title? Isn't #2 still a successful company because they are turning a profit? Just some food for thought.
-DR
Ahh, that is the beauty that is business. It doesn't matter how many subscribers you have. As long as your making a profit and keeping people playing, you are a success. Of course greed always comes into play as the more money they can rake in, the more profit they can get but in the end, it doesn't matter if they are 1st or 10th. They are still making money and people are enjoying their game. To me, I think the big thing is if the game developers are trying to make a game to beat number 1 or if they are trying to make a game for themselves. That is a very tricky situation as we all seen what happened to swg when they decided to change from a game that their players enjoyed to a game they wanted to become number 1. It is all about the players 1st.
According to a statement made from an aion dev they don't have much confidience in their game beating WoW. Thats like saying why even try when we can't win, lol. So I guess now they have a reason to fall short in their game. I guarantee this will lead to them working less and less on the game and providing subpar content. What type of company settles for second place? What type of person doesn't want to be first? Plus, this is sort of saying: "Yeah, it probably isn't as good as WoW but we're okay with that." And that's the wrong message to send to customers. Shooting for second place was the strategy of Warhammer and that failed hard, so I see aion following the trend.
Jae Ho Lee, NCSoft's Chief Financial Officer "I believe the performance of Aion in the US and European markets will be very successful. ... We are guessing that Aion will be -- could be -- the second [most] successful MMO in the US market next to [I]World of Warcraft
According to a statement made from an aion dev they don't have much confidience in their game beating WoW. Thats like saying why even try when we can't win, lol. So I guess now they have a reason to fall short in their game. I guarantee this will lead to them working less and less on the game and providing subpar content. What type of company settles for second place? What type of person doesn't want to be first? Plus, this is sort of saying: "Yeah, it probably isn't as good as WoW but we're okay with that." And that's the wrong message to send to customers. Shooting for second place was the strategy of Warhammer and that failed hard, so I see aion following the trend.
Jae Ho Lee, NCSoft's Chief Financial Officer "I believe the performance of Aion in the US and European markets will be very successful. ... We are guessing that Aion will be -- could be -- the second [most] successful MMO in the US market next to [I]World of Warcraft
mm in my view i believe the order will stay the same on xfire
first wow
2 gw2
3 aion
it might be able to snash 3 rd for one reason 3 place shooters arent stable game this week its on tird next its in the 20 th
Aion is a pvp game the community won't be very good thats usually a given. Also shooting for second place isn't a bad idea at all...
DAOC had one of the best communities i have played in , pvp done right makes a very strong community.
And as to the # 2 spot if we look at who is #2 in the US i think its wWAr and most people call that a failure... odd no.
REally i will tell you what it takes to make a wow killer, its simply a game tons of people play despite the quility of the game. IE they play it becuase lots of other people play it, thats the strongest pull factor wow has and AIONs looking like it will also do well in this catagory.
Scodavis said, "Popularity can be a dangerous thing. I played WoW for years and the quality of the playerbase definitely went down as the game became easier and thus more popular. Hopefully Aion can skim off the good, bored players from WoW and people like the OP will stay with their game. I believe that would make us all very happy."
Then fear not AION is far easier than wow, so it should be popular.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
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He is referring to number of units sold, logically even if WoW did not sale another copy from this day forward and Aion sold copies just as fast as WoW did it would not be as successful as WoW is for anther 5 years or so (at least that's my interpretation)
Now if you are looking at which will be the more commonly preferred fantasy MMO of the next (X) years, I really don't know and really don't care. Doubt WoW has much longer (as the most popular) not because its a bad game at all but rather due to its age and the fact that Blizz is working on another MMO (which will prolly be as good as WoW or better and hay it will be several years newer) I believe I read something somewhere about another 2 expansions and that's it. Does this mean WoW now = bad. . . no WoW = WoW, it will always be an evolutionary step forward for MMOs in many respects and many people will argue that its also a step back but I will leave that to you all to bicker about.
On to Warhammer, Warhammer failed in my openion because of EA (not trying to blindly hate on EA) it seems clear to mean that some where in teh middle of development that the direction of the project shifted perhaps it was Mythic perhaps it was EA bethaps it was the sock monster doesn't matter it failed due to bad calls made in development producing a poorly polished title with large sections of the game that did not mesh well with each other.
WoW killers: why the hell are people talking about WoW killers? you do know that people still play EQ (1) right? what makes you think people wont still be playing WoW 5 years from now? perhaps not 12 million, and logically some other title will be the target of the such remarks but WoW isn't going to die until Blizzard turns the servers off which isn't likely going to happen any time soon rather or not some new MMO makes 13 million subscribers. perhaps your referring to the golden age of WoW well that's already dead in my opinion and the game that killed it was WoW, as is the case with prity much every MMO I have played in fact I can not think of a single MMO and I have been playing them for a decade or so that was killed by any other MMO or any other genre of game for that matter.
Now on to the CFO's statements
1) He is a CFO they tend to be a bit . . . well ignorant to reality; work around the upper edge of business long enough and you come to realize that all a CFO is good for is keeping track of the bean counters, cant actually count beans on his/her own but can watch those who do so long as you feed them a ridicules salary
2) He is referring to projected sales again he is a CFO (see the above) this is not reflective of the development houses goals and ambitions not saying what they are aiming for I really don't know nor do I care just pointing out a fact that what this man said is only useful if your trading stock and does not impact the game from the point of view of the end user unless of course NCSoft goes belly up which I doubt will happen any time soon.
3) I could continue but most will not have read this far so if your reading this here's a radioactive cookie for you have a good day
Is it just me or are WoW players so brainwashed by Blizzard that any new mmo coming out thats halfway decent they have to bash?
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Heh I like that. More doesn't necessarily = better.
Soon they will move on to the new SW & FF game. I smell a cycle here !!
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I can tell you one aspect Aion will beat out wow....when it comes to my $15/month. Blizzard has ZERO chance of getting that from me. By way of comparison, I will be subbing to Aion this September. As far as me and my $15/month are concerned AION is #1.
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Gotta love troll threads, they get you right where you could care less, yet we post anyway calling them out.
I for one, am no longer playing WoW. I will be playing Aion. That's it. I might go back, I might not.
I love to eat lobster, I just can't do it ALL the time but that's just me. You can do whatever you want, but anyone starts telling me that eating lobster is dumb because shrimp is the number one crustacean out there...I'll slap him with the lobster tail and say "GTFO, you'r ruining my meal monkey-nuts!"
OP you failed.
Yeah, I actually posted a comment before I realised that he was just an Aion hater trying to stir things up. I don't think I will ever understand the troll mentality. How boring their life must be.
What is funny, even hillarious, about this thread is the fact there there are xx number of old wow noobs posting that they are no longer going to play wow and instead they are moving to a game that takes less skill , less thinking, less character development, even easyer button mashing (target spam buttons it uses your combos , follows, and attacks all for you).
And all i can say is PRO.
I wish aion was more than it was, but alas its not.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I don't see NcSoft trying to compete against WoW. Aion is different from WoW.
It most certainly is smarter than saying "WoW is burger, ... is steak" and then not reaching even half a million subscribers
No, I see nothing wrong with what Jae Ho Lee said.
Jae Ho Lee is aware that the western market is filled with carebears.
By talking drivel and having no understanding of the MMO market if so then your doing a good job.
Aion was never going to appeal to the cartoon loving western audience on mass the asian art style is still niche over here I say good keep asshat's away from it they can stick to WOW I'll stick to playing the 2nd placed game with a decent community who the artistic style and the asian animations appeal to.
By talking drivel and having no understanding of the MMO market if so then your doing a good job.
Aion was never going to appeal to the cartoon loving western audience on mass the asian art style is still niche over here I say good keep asshat's away from it they can stick to WOW I'll stick to playing the 2nd placed game with a decent community who the artistic style and the asian animations appeal to.
Yeah it will be nice if the likes of him stay out of the Aion community & let us enjoy the game, but as Aion grows you can be sure it will get more subs like the op.....
Aion is a pvp game the community won't be very good thats usually a given. Also shooting for second place isn't a bad idea at all...
Well, NCSOft surely want to keep their feet on the ground and aiming for the 1st spot in sub numbers wouldnt be realistic for now, maybe in a couple of years. Now, what people must realise is that contrarily to Blizzard NCSoft isnt a one game publisher, and isnt itself a game developer, they have companys developing for them.
So they are aiming for 2nd spot in sub numbers with Aion, but with Guild Wars 2 not far behind, and Lineage 2 still thriving in the East, they are surely aiming at a safe 1st spot as a company, thats whats really important, because if a company is doing well, all their games will do well
Personally, I find it to be a sign of their humility, and I admire that quality. This person seems to understand the complexities that drive a gamer's decisions as well as their fickle nature.
However, you are falling prey to a common logical fallacy that correlation does not imply causation. Making a statement that they feel they will be the second most successful MMO as other MMOs have does not mean they will "fail" as others have. And what exactly is your definition of failure? If Aion gets 2 million subscribers in the same time (or less) than WoW, is that _really_ failure? That seems like a success in my book. Actually, in some cases, parking in #2 hides you from the scrutiny and barbs that being #1 attracts.
Look at WoW being in #1. It is the litmus test for success, but at the same time, it attracts the slings and arrows of client and non-client alike. Who is #2? Do you care if you play #1? Do you care if you don't play #1? Does #2 get to focus more on development of their game because they don't have to hire PR firms or send their staff out to defend the title? Isn't #2 still a successful company because they are turning a profit?
Just some food for thought.
-DR
Played: Ultima Online, EverQuest, Asheron's Call, DAoC, Ragnarok Online, Earth and Beyond, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Final Fantasy XI, Phantasy Star Online, Guild Wars, Matrix Online, World of Warcraft
The fact that WoW players are coming onto the Aion boards tells me a lot about the state of WoW. When I played Wow that was pretty much ALL I did. I didn't have the time or the inclination to go troll other boards.
Popularity can be a dangerous thing. I played WoW for years and the quality of the playerbase definitely went down as the game became easier and thus more popular. Hopefully Aion can skim off the good, bored players from WoW and people like the OP will stay with their game. I believe that would make us all very happy.
Of course, when I say popularity can be a dangerous thing I mean for the playerbase, not for the company profits.
Ahh, that is the beauty that is business. It doesn't matter how many subscribers you have. As long as your making a profit and keeping people playing, you are a success. Of course greed always comes into play as the more money they can rake in, the more profit they can get but in the end, it doesn't matter if they are 1st or 10th. They are still making money and people are enjoying their game. To me, I think the big thing is if the game developers are trying to make a game to beat number 1 or if they are trying to make a game for themselves. That is a very tricky situation as we all seen what happened to swg when they decided to change from a game that their players enjoyed to a game they wanted to become number 1. It is all about the players 1st.
Guys dont feed the troll
mm in my view i believe the order will stay the same on xfire
first wow
2 gw2
3 aion
it might be able to snash 3 rd for one reason 3 place shooters arent stable game this week its on tird next its in the 20 th
DAOC had one of the best communities i have played in , pvp done right makes a very strong community.
And as to the # 2 spot if we look at who is #2 in the US i think its wWAr and most people call that a failure... odd no.
REally i will tell you what it takes to make a wow killer, its simply a game tons of people play despite the quility of the game. IE they play it becuase lots of other people play it, thats the strongest pull factor wow has and AIONs looking like it will also do well in this catagory.
Scodavis said, "Popularity can be a dangerous thing. I played WoW for years and the quality of the playerbase definitely went down as the game became easier and thus more popular. Hopefully Aion can skim off the good, bored players from WoW and people like the OP will stay with their game. I believe that would make us all very happy."
Then fear not AION is far easier than wow, so it should be popular.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine