Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them.
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes, unfortunately. Once again some suits have brought any number of problems for their customers with an ill considered decision.
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
Oooch... Well that blows. Guess I will wait and see if they change it. No way am I going to play a pvp game with software that punishes legit players into a set game style but allows the script kiddies to bypass it by running code in a root.
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
For one, there have been many issues with people using 64-bit vista/windows 7 not being able to access the game unless they turned off their AV/firewall/dance three times in a circle and sacrifice a goat. The big aversion to GG is that it installs a rootkit, accessing your BIOS. Remember what Sony did with those DVDs? It is never a good thing when a program accesses the soft underbelly of your OS.
Finally, for me, using a system like this to combat bots/piracy a) has been proven not to work, and b) is a sign of laziness that the devs just don't want to deal with the issue, and would rather let some outsider do their heavy lifting. Guild Wars has never had to resort to such extremes, and they were able to combat their botting issues. One day you couldn't fart in some outposts without killing 10 bots; the devs listened to bot reports, and soon they were cleared.
[quote][i]Originally posted by grandpagamer[/i] [b][quote][i]Originally posted by sonicbrew[/i] [quote][i]Originally posted by Reanim[/i] Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia [/quote] Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system. [/quote] Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?[/b][/quote] Gameguard will make your gaming devices pretty much non fuctional. It runs as a root kit and monitors your system processes and will disable a procees it considers risky. it takes up resources and at times will cause stability issues on pc's.
The sad thing here is go to any gameguard protected game and you will see it easily bypassed by the spammers. If spambots are running you can bet other things are running too. So legitimate players are gimped and the script kiddies run wild. Bad for a pvp game.
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
For one, there have been many issues with people using 64-bit vista/windows 7 not being able to access the game unless they turned off their AV/firewall/dance three times in a circle and sacrifice a goat. The big aversion to GG is that it installs a rootkit, accessing your BIOS. Remember what Sony did with those DVDs? It is never a good thing when a program accesses the soft underbelly of your OS.
Finally, for me, using a system like this to combat bots/piracy a) has been proven not to work, and b) is a sign of laziness that the devs just don't want to deal with the issue, and would rather let some outsider do their heavy lifting. Guild Wars has never had to resort to such extremes, and they were able to combat their botting issues. One day you couldn't fart in some outposts without killing 10 bots; the devs listened to bot reports, and soon they were cleared.
Just curious as ive .never had any problems with GG or securom on xp.
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
The issues I have had with GG are fairly simple to work around, if all isn't well in the world of GG it will lock up or crash teh game client, more offten than not it will bring the client down in a most unplesent and sudden manner forcing you to pop task manager and kill the locked process. GG is a pain and truly a hunk of junk but its not a show stopper for me any way.
Haveing said all that I have had no issues out of Aion's implementation of GG, Lengiag2 has issues for me to work around every time they patch but Aion ran smoth and GG never showed its @ss (supprisingly)
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
For one, there have been many issues with people using 64-bit vista/windows 7 not being able to access the game unless they turned off their AV/firewall/dance three times in a circle and sacrifice a goat. The big aversion to GG is that it installs a rootkit, accessing your BIOS. Remember what Sony did with those DVDs? It is never a good thing when a program accesses the soft underbelly of your OS.
Finally, for me, using a system like this to combat bots/piracy a) has been proven not to work, and b) is a sign of laziness that the devs just don't want to deal with the issue, and would rather let some outsider do their heavy lifting. Guild Wars has never had to resort to such extremes, and they were able to combat their botting issues. One day you couldn't fart in some outposts without killing 10 bots; the devs listened to bot reports, and soon they were cleared.
Hrm, using 64-bit windows 7 here and not having any of those problems. Maybe it's because I'm technically running it virtualized by VHD-booting it.
Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
Well, for one it wouldn't let me use certain keys on my G15 keyboard. It also absolutely refused to load the game when I had uTorrent running. It would also randomly crash.
Running 64bit Windows Vista and I've never had a problem with GameGuard. I played Lineage 2 since release and I have never had any problems running anything and Gameguard has yet to interfere with any of my programs. Gameguard acts like a rootkit would but thats really where it ends because it's really the one in control that has the power to compromise your machine.
I have no sensitive information on my gaming rig so I really have nothing to fear. If GG starts acting up I can wipe my machine and cancel my account. However I hope you people understand that I've had GG on my machines for years and not one problem. I believe most of the stories about it are made up or are experienced from a friend of a friend. Thats the major problem with security systems nowadays, the more secure the harder it is to access what you need. The more hoops you have to run through. Many people believe GG doesn't do anything but it certainly does, it's just easy to bypass it. I see bots in every game so I don't think it's really GG at fault here.
I didn't have any problems either, except it would shut down or block my UPS software. I'm guessing it was blocking USB devices that weren't keyboards or mice.
Start Aion...
"UPS Communication Lost" comes out of the speakers.
I dislike GameGuard on principle. I keep a clean system and I don't cheat. I don't like how GameGuard installs itself or behaves. That being said, I've also had first-hand experience with what it can do. I never used to think twice about whether or not a game used it until one day I tried to load up Exteel and my system crashed with no warning. Weird. I loaded up my system and tried again - same thing happened. Turns out GameGuard didn't like playing nice with my firewall (Comodo). GameGuard is essentially a rootkit and it tries to disable various applications. Comodo detects rootkits. What was happening in my situation is that GameGuard tried to disable Comodo. The firewall interpreted this as an attack, after all, why would a legitimate program try to disable security software? As such, Comodo tried to shut down GameGuard. Due to the conflict, the entire system just shut down. That's ridiculous and can actually cause hardware problems
So, unlike all the forum posters that suggested I get rid of my very good security software, I got rid of the game and GameGuard instead. No game is worth potentially compromising my system.
All that being said, I was unaware Aion was a GameGuard game until after the fact. Thankfully, it doesn't seem to be a problem anymore.
I didn't have any issues with GG, but I've had minor issues with SecuROM...in general these programs are just bad for business. If you look online (working off memory, cant remember specifics), a few small recent studies show negative trends and increased piracy & hacking on games that utilize the programs - Spore is a prime example.
Basically you tease hackers and give them something to do, a reason to attack your game. Granted, games will be hacked regardless of if they use these programs, but realistically if you invest good coding practices & your own in-house way of protecting your game - you are far more likely to have success & less issues.
Now I worry that my rig might be plagued with rootkits! though not too much, as I havent had a problem yet. But realistically if you think reformatting your machine is a reasonable solution for a program fix of something you did not want nor needed on your machine, is a tid bit of a stretch for most people - let alone gamers.
I am with "rhinok" about GG, Not that I have had any problems with it but because other gamers do and that is enough for me to dislike it.
A CM from aion did post over at aionsource stating that if GG gives too much problems for gamers in NA/EU after launch then they will scrap GG and opt for something else.
I do know for a fact that while playing on the Korean servers GG got patched like crazy (every two days for three weeks stright).
I will be curious to see how it works when the game launches with 1.5v, If it suks (i'm sure it will) I think we should all post our displeasure about it on every forum site and see how NCwest handles it !
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I hate GG. I was never affected bu SecuROM but this was dreadful. It amazingly worked without fail in my Win7 x64 machine, but on a Vista x86 machine I had to disable antivirus and also forcibly update GG. It's dumb.
I am tired of these gimmicks to "protect" players that actually just ends up punishing legit players. I cant remember which game it was now but a couple years ago there was a game where the cracked version never crashed but the actual paid version did have crashing issues. I mean, seriously?
Well this sucks, I just pre-ordered the game about an hour ago then see this thread. I hate SecuROM and GG, and anything to do with "Anti-Piracy" programs. They are a hoax, as whatever game they stick the supposed "security" on is cracked and overly pirated the next day. As someone earlier stated, GG/etc seem to attract hackers for some reason(most likely the challenge). I have personally had issues with SecuROM in NWN2, I was unable to play the game after I paid $50 for it for around a month. The only time I have ever "hacked" was back in Starcraft for PC, using a minimap hack once or twice but only over LAN with friends to piss them off and get laugh's when they hid. Anyways I am strongly against such techniques, developers know how to program so why the hell pay a third party to do it for you? *Sigh* I better not have issues with this being on Vista x64.
Just to add to the discussion, very often people don't realize that GG is causing these problems. Also, just because you didn't experience any adverse effects from GG, doesn't mean that other people are lying.
Personally, I hate all forms of DRM or anti-cheat software like GG. Very rarely do they keep the hackers and pirates at bay. Usually, those really interested find a way to bypass anti-cheat software and we all know how well DRM keeps the software pirates at bay.
All these rootkits do is punish legit customers by messing with their systems. The funny thing is that pirates don't have to deal with this because most of the time the DRM is either removed, bypassed or emulated.
To finish off this rant, I make it a point to never purchase a game that comes equipped with DRM or Gameguard.
NCsoft need to stop being so lazy, and build their own preventive solutions client-side. This kinda thing might be suitable in Korean Internet cafes, but it just doesn't cut-it over here.
The one thing that scares me about GG is that when you decide to delete the game, it leaves files "hidden" on your system. They are very difficult to delete. AAA MMO's should not include rootkit devices to protect their games. That is ridiculous.
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Unfortunately yes, although they keep saying they will either make it acceptable or take it out, currently it is a GG game.
Yes Gameguard.
Yes, unfortunately. Once again some suits have brought any number of problems for their customers with an ill considered decision.
I hear you, brother. I hate having to use the stupid Crossfire hack just to play the game. If they don't fix it by release, I'm done.
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
Oooch... Well that blows. Guess I will wait and see if they change it. No way am I going to play a pvp game with software that punishes legit players into a set game style but allows the script kiddies to bypass it by running code in a root.
Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
For one, there have been many issues with people using 64-bit vista/windows 7 not being able to access the game unless they turned off their AV/firewall/dance three times in a circle and sacrifice a goat. The big aversion to GG is that it installs a rootkit, accessing your BIOS. Remember what Sony did with those DVDs? It is never a good thing when a program accesses the soft underbelly of your OS.
Finally, for me, using a system like this to combat bots/piracy a) has been proven not to work, and b) is a sign of laziness that the devs just don't want to deal with the issue, and would rather let some outsider do their heavy lifting. Guild Wars has never had to resort to such extremes, and they were able to combat their botting issues. One day you couldn't fart in some outposts without killing 10 bots; the devs listened to bot reports, and soon they were cleared.
[quote][i]Originally posted by grandpagamer[/i] [b][quote][i]Originally posted by sonicbrew[/i] [quote][i]Originally posted by Reanim[/i] Just want a 100% confirmation one way or the other before purchasing. Nothing against the game. I just don't play games that use this king of worthless garbage to protect them. Tia [/quote] Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system. [/quote] Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?[/b][/quote] Gameguard will make your gaming devices pretty much non fuctional. It runs as a root kit and monitors your system processes and will disable a procees it considers risky. it takes up resources and at times will cause stability issues on pc's.
The sad thing here is go to any gameguard protected game and you will see it easily bypassed by the spammers. If spambots are running you can bet other things are running too. So legitimate players are gimped and the script kiddies run wild. Bad for a pvp game.
Tia
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
For one, there have been many issues with people using 64-bit vista/windows 7 not being able to access the game unless they turned off their AV/firewall/dance three times in a circle and sacrifice a goat. The big aversion to GG is that it installs a rootkit, accessing your BIOS. Remember what Sony did with those DVDs? It is never a good thing when a program accesses the soft underbelly of your OS.
Finally, for me, using a system like this to combat bots/piracy a) has been proven not to work, and b) is a sign of laziness that the devs just don't want to deal with the issue, and would rather let some outsider do their heavy lifting. Guild Wars has never had to resort to such extremes, and they were able to combat their botting issues. One day you couldn't fart in some outposts without killing 10 bots; the devs listened to bot reports, and soon they were cleared.
Just curious as ive .never had any problems with GG or securom on xp.
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
The issues I have had with GG are fairly simple to work around, if all isn't well in the world of GG it will lock up or crash teh game client, more offten than not it will bring the client down in a most unplesent and sudden manner forcing you to pop task manager and kill the locked process. GG is a pain and truly a hunk of junk but its not a show stopper for me any way.
Haveing said all that I have had no issues out of Aion's implementation of GG, Lengiag2 has issues for me to work around every time they patch but Aion ran smoth and GG never showed its @ss (supprisingly)
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
For one, there have been many issues with people using 64-bit vista/windows 7 not being able to access the game unless they turned off their AV/firewall/dance three times in a circle and sacrifice a goat. The big aversion to GG is that it installs a rootkit, accessing your BIOS. Remember what Sony did with those DVDs? It is never a good thing when a program accesses the soft underbelly of your OS.
Finally, for me, using a system like this to combat bots/piracy a) has been proven not to work, and b) is a sign of laziness that the devs just don't want to deal with the issue, and would rather let some outsider do their heavy lifting. Guild Wars has never had to resort to such extremes, and they were able to combat their botting issues. One day you couldn't fart in some outposts without killing 10 bots; the devs listened to bot reports, and soon they were cleared.
Hrm, using 64-bit windows 7 here and not having any of those problems. Maybe it's because I'm technically running it virtualized by VHD-booting it.
Yes they do. I went against my better judgement as a beta tester and loaded it up. I could not take anymore as this game is just not for me. However, game guard is still a malware/rootkit nightmare and caused many issues in my very clean system.
Ive heard nightmare stories about GG and securerom but have never seen them. Just what issues do you have?
Well, for one it wouldn't let me use certain keys on my G15 keyboard. It also absolutely refused to load the game when I had uTorrent running. It would also randomly crash.
never had issues with those on Vista either.. ugh.
Running 64bit Windows Vista and I've never had a problem with GameGuard. I played Lineage 2 since release and I have never had any problems running anything and Gameguard has yet to interfere with any of my programs. Gameguard acts like a rootkit would but thats really where it ends because it's really the one in control that has the power to compromise your machine.
I have no sensitive information on my gaming rig so I really have nothing to fear. If GG starts acting up I can wipe my machine and cancel my account. However I hope you people understand that I've had GG on my machines for years and not one problem. I believe most of the stories about it are made up or are experienced from a friend of a friend. Thats the major problem with security systems nowadays, the more secure the harder it is to access what you need. The more hoops you have to run through. Many people believe GG doesn't do anything but it certainly does, it's just easy to bypass it. I see bots in every game so I don't think it's really GG at fault here.
I didn't have any problems either, except it would shut down or block my UPS software. I'm guessing it was blocking USB devices that weren't keyboards or mice.
Start Aion...
"UPS Communication Lost" comes out of the speakers.
Quit Aion...
"UPS Communication established"
------- END TRANSMISSION
I dislike GameGuard on principle. I keep a clean system and I don't cheat. I don't like how GameGuard installs itself or behaves. That being said, I've also had first-hand experience with what it can do. I never used to think twice about whether or not a game used it until one day I tried to load up Exteel and my system crashed with no warning. Weird. I loaded up my system and tried again - same thing happened. Turns out GameGuard didn't like playing nice with my firewall (Comodo). GameGuard is essentially a rootkit and it tries to disable various applications. Comodo detects rootkits. What was happening in my situation is that GameGuard tried to disable Comodo. The firewall interpreted this as an attack, after all, why would a legitimate program try to disable security software? As such, Comodo tried to shut down GameGuard. Due to the conflict, the entire system just shut down. That's ridiculous and can actually cause hardware problems
So, unlike all the forum posters that suggested I get rid of my very good security software, I got rid of the game and GameGuard instead. No game is worth potentially compromising my system.
All that being said, I was unaware Aion was a GameGuard game until after the fact. Thankfully, it doesn't seem to be a problem anymore.
~Ripper
Oh snap
I didn't have any issues with GG, but I've had minor issues with SecuROM...in general these programs are just bad for business. If you look online (working off memory, cant remember specifics), a few small recent studies show negative trends and increased piracy & hacking on games that utilize the programs - Spore is a prime example.
Basically you tease hackers and give them something to do, a reason to attack your game. Granted, games will be hacked regardless of if they use these programs, but realistically if you invest good coding practices & your own in-house way of protecting your game - you are far more likely to have success & less issues.
Now I worry that my rig might be plagued with rootkits! though not too much, as I havent had a problem yet. But realistically if you think reformatting your machine is a reasonable solution for a program fix of something you did not want nor needed on your machine, is a tid bit of a stretch for most people - let alone gamers.
I am with "rhinok" about GG, Not that I have had any problems with it but because other gamers do and that is enough for me to dislike it.
A CM from aion did post over at aionsource stating that if GG gives too much problems for gamers in NA/EU after launch then they will scrap GG and opt for something else.
I do know for a fact that while playing on the Korean servers GG got patched like crazy (every two days for three weeks stright).
I will be curious to see how it works when the game launches with 1.5v, If it suks (i'm sure it will) I think we should all post our displeasure about it on every forum site and see how NCwest handles it !
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I hate GG. I was never affected bu SecuROM but this was dreadful. It amazingly worked without fail in my Win7 x64 machine, but on a Vista x86 machine I had to disable antivirus and also forcibly update GG. It's dumb.
I am tired of these gimmicks to "protect" players that actually just ends up punishing legit players. I cant remember which game it was now but a couple years ago there was a game where the cracked version never crashed but the actual paid version did have crashing issues. I mean, seriously?
Well this sucks, I just pre-ordered the game about an hour ago then see this thread. I hate SecuROM and GG, and anything to do with "Anti-Piracy" programs. They are a hoax, as whatever game they stick the supposed "security" on is cracked and overly pirated the next day. As someone earlier stated, GG/etc seem to attract hackers for some reason(most likely the challenge). I have personally had issues with SecuROM in NWN2, I was unable to play the game after I paid $50 for it for around a month. The only time I have ever "hacked" was back in Starcraft for PC, using a minimap hack once or twice but only over LAN with friends to piss them off and get laugh's when they hid. Anyways I am strongly against such techniques, developers know how to program so why the hell pay a third party to do it for you? *Sigh* I better not have issues with this being on Vista x64.
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Just to add to the discussion, very often people don't realize that GG is causing these problems. Also, just because you didn't experience any adverse effects from GG, doesn't mean that other people are lying.
Personally, I hate all forms of DRM or anti-cheat software like GG. Very rarely do they keep the hackers and pirates at bay. Usually, those really interested find a way to bypass anti-cheat software and we all know how well DRM keeps the software pirates at bay.
All these rootkits do is punish legit customers by messing with their systems. The funny thing is that pirates don't have to deal with this because most of the time the DRM is either removed, bypassed or emulated.
To finish off this rant, I make it a point to never purchase a game that comes equipped with DRM or Gameguard.
NCsoft need to stop being so lazy, and build their own preventive solutions client-side. This kinda thing might be suitable in Korean Internet cafes, but it just doesn't cut-it over here.
I was looking forward to playing Aion but as I'm a Vista 64 user I think I'll give it a miss... good job NCSoft.
The one thing that scares me about GG is that when you decide to delete the game, it leaves files "hidden" on your system. They are very difficult to delete. AAA MMO's should not include rootkit devices to protect their games. That is ridiculous.