Don't think aions PvP will even have a chane of being as sucessful as WoWs The combat is to slow, There is not DR system like in WoW, I mean i kited a gladiator for 20min+ on my ranger in the chiniese version of the game before i got him down. Theres really nothing that really requires skill a clicker can be just as sucessful as a person with keybindings since everything takes so god damn much time to do and i really hated the instant cast things in aion i mean If a spell says its instant cast time i should be able to run and do it not press the ability my character stands still shoots the skill then keep on running. Aion is a good game and i enjoy playing it but if i want some PvP action ill just log on my priest and play some arenas, Sure wow is corrupted and the arenas and BGs are a zerg fest basiclly, But WoWs pvp is alot more competative then aions imo, I will still play both the games tho since i'm kinda tierd of WoW atm.
Well i guess ill just go put on my flame cloak before i get a nasty burn.
I wouldn't flame you. There's nothing wrong with liking WOW's system. I loved it, in fact. I really liked the old ranking days. I logged more time in AV than I could even begin to count, lol
I think NCSoft will revamp Aions battle lengths, mark my words, to make it a bit more "westernized." Still, as an older guy who likes to click fight I can appreciate a fight not being over too fast! lol
Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Aion is new. Just like WOW added and grew it's PvP content, who's to say Aion won't keep bringing fresh things to the game(or at least adding tried and true PvP content)?
Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes,
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P
2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.
And as you said, Aion will surley progress in a good way, Its a big change plaing the 1.0 version of the game and the new 1.5, I really hope and think aion will be a great success here in europe, Also please excuse my english;p
Your English is fine unlike the posters.
2 things I don't quite understand, you want the PRE-BC ranking system AND you want the Rated Arena Game system. Wouldn't those two ideas conflict?
BTW when you say PRE-BC you are talking about the Race For High Warlord rank right?
Did you ever make a serious attempt at doing that?
I have no interest in seeing either of your ideas come to fruition in AION.
Arena or as I like to call it PvP ala Basketball Court is bullshit.
I want war pvp, I dont want boxing.
The funny thing is, you already have WoW Arenas.
Don't like AION PvP?
The answer is right in front of you.
Yes i ment the race for HW/GM i acually tried but only got to rank Marshal(rank 12) My realm was very competative alot of top pvpers, And i didet say i wanted the pre-bc ranking system back i just said it was awsome, And i also said what i wanted not what the whole world should want, We all have different opinions and should respect others aswell.. And i do like largescale PVP aswell just that aion dose it in a very lame way, Slow paced, and it just seems like a big zerg.. I want pvp to involve some tactics, and be skilled based. Sure alot of ppl will say that wow is not skill based at all, but wow acually has some complexity its not just going in to the arena polymorhping the dps and killing the healer, Its alot more involved. anyway, As i said i was ready for this and i always wear my flame cloak on these forums.
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I am always amazed when someone ask if pvp will be as good as in WoW.
In my opinion WoW PvP is pure crap and whoever say different never played Daoc.
The step in right direction was mad by Age of Conan where PvP mechanics are great (mages not that good), but reward vs loss is not that good.
Darkfall tried something new too but I found it pretty blend and not that interesting.
As for Aion well cant really say it seems they are going in right direction, with different bonuses while you moving ( parry etc.. ) and abilities that you can do while you move.
Don't think aions PvP will even have a chane of being as sucessful as WoWs The combat is to slow, There is not DR system like in WoW, I mean i kited a gladiator for 20min+ on my ranger in the chiniese version of the game before i got him down. Theres really nothing that really requires skill a clicker can be just as sucessful as a person with keybindings since everything takes so god damn much time to do and i really hated the instant cast things in aion i mean If a spell says its instant cast time i should be able to run and do it not press the ability my character stands still shoots the skill then keep on running. Aion is a good game and i enjoy playing it but if i want some PvP action ill just log on my priest and play some arenas, Sure wow is corrupted and the arenas and BGs are a zerg fest basiclly, But WoWs pvp is alot more competative then aions imo, I will still play both the games tho since i'm kinda tierd of WoW atm.
Well i guess ill just go put on my flame cloak before i get a nasty burn.
I wouldn't flame you. There's nothing wrong with liking WOW's system. I loved it, in fact. I really liked the old ranking days. I logged more time in AV than I could even begin to count, lol
I think NCSoft will revamp Aions battle lengths, mark my words, to make it a bit more "westernized." Still, as an older guy who likes to click fight I can appreciate a fight not being over too fast! lol
Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Aion is new. Just like WOW added and grew it's PvP content, who's to say Aion won't keep bringing fresh things to the game(or at least adding tried and true PvP content)?
Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes,
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P
2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.
And as you said, Aion will surley progress in a good way, Its a big change plaing the 1.0 version of the game and the new 1.5, I really hope and think aion will be a great success here in europe, Also please excuse my english;p
1: NO!
2: NO!
If you want Wow pvp play Wow. I find Wow pvp to be horrible and unbalanced.
wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right... your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!
Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right... your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!
Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit
speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.
and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race
and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance, your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge
are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.
please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .
After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.
I won't flame you, but I will **HIGHLY ** recommend you not play Aion. It's pvp is much more closely tied to DAoC's version of open, fluid pvp than WoW's restricted, arcade/console-like approach.
I've RvR'ed extensively in DAoC and WAR, and I have also played BGs/arenas pretty much exclusively in WoW (I don't raid). If WoW was the first game where you really leaned how to PvP, Aion's version of PvP will seem like an epic fail to you--not because it isn't good, but because it doesn't provide a neat, enclosed box in which you can pewpew as you run around pillars.
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I think it will make WoW PvP its little bitch. Open World PvP is the bomb and thats all there is too it. If I wanted to do battle grounds id just go play a FPS. PvP needs to be on the fly it makes you think and if you see a huge group coming to join the battle, there is nothing like that oh shit feeling to get the blood flowing.
The only exception i'll make to that is the 1vs1 duels. Im ok with those because Im a big fan of MMA. But other than that I want crazy random, you never know what your going up against, unbalanced teams battling it out to take control of an area.
...WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact....
Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.
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...WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact....
Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.
Well Thenarius said it so it must be.
Oh and another thing about Aion. Moving in combat actually gives your character Pluses and Minuses to armor, dodge and damage so that in is self already makes PvP better in Aion IMO.
wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right... your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!
Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit
speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.
and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race
and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance, your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge
are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.
please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .
After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.
Wow pvp is all about flavor of the month. The Ret Pally has had a pretty long run over the last few months in Wow. The biggest problem I have with Wow pvp is it is so gear based. Wow pvp is all about gear and that is a fact. The next problem I have with Wow pvp is the crazy amount of CC. There is nothing like having no control of your character while you get pummeled in to the ground. Now that is great pvp. :P The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.
The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.
You DO KNOW CC is not a major factor, but DO NOT KNOW how gear comes in to play?
Sounds to me you don't know either, only those who played beta to high levels or played a Korean version can be of some input here, if you're not one of them do not present us with "facts".
Has anyone pvpve'ed yet? Im still curious how that would be fun, dont like the idea of pve interference during a pvp battle, but it could be done right i guess, still undecided if this is a good idea (in my opinion at least)
One thing they could do to the pvp is speed up attacks. I know its like the most hated game in the world, but aoc has some phenominal pvp due to their fast attacks and combos, really made for an interesting fight, in groups and 1vs1.
During their many betas i was a bit dissapointed in the combat of aion, though i know i only got to experience it at lower levels, was won dering at endgame does it speed up, or are battles drawn out due to slower combat?
Im really going to miss ffa open world pvp....god i hope they put a ffa server up. not because i like to gank (i do) but because leveling up in that enviroment is kinda exciting, forces you to make groups for defence ect.
vinter i got nothing againsnt people that dislike WoW cause the game has its faults but you only played the first month of its releaese. Thats like a highschool drop out saying hes a rocket scientist. Thats how much knowledge you have on WoW. Your my good sir are ignorant. Hell the average WoW hater knows more than you. Doesn't say to much about your character buddy. Though your doing a great job at making yourself look stupid
The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.
You DO KNOW CC is not a major factor, but DO NOT KNOW how gear comes in to play?
Sounds to me you don't know either, only those who played beta to high levels or played a Korean version can be of some input here, if you're not one of them do not present us with "facts".
It's simple just watch video's of high end pvp. Have you ever studied for a test? You can watch high end pvp and see that CC is not a major play. No matter how much I watch though I can not tell how much gear comes in to play and or level.
Well sence it was made by Ncsoft its a yes, just becuae they made lineage 2 and lineage 2 to me was the best game with PVP ive ever played wow didnt come close to how much fun i had in PvP. Even if aion is faction based it will still have some awsome pvp in it
...One thing they could do to the pvp is speed up attacks....
I disagree with this. As a general rule, I think slower, more drawn-out battles are much better than faster, over-before-you-know-it battles. Quick battles by evenly-numbered opponents are better left to FPSes, consoles, and WoW.
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Originally posted by Thenarius Originally posted by Vinterkrig wow is awful, the pvp is garbage, we don't need more games with wow features, the less the better
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
Eh I agree, its not garbage.
But this "Balance" you speak of shifts from patch to patch in wild swings.
Probably because if I'd get into details, I'd get shot by Aion fanboys who aren't reading the actual post, just like now.
Oh well.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
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Probably because if I'd get into details, I'd get shot by Aion fanboys who aren't reading the actual post, just like now.
Oh well.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
And how did you come to that conclusion? Just because I like everyone to have a little bit of personal skill instead going for a full zergfest means I should go back to CS(and CS, L4D and TF2 are all amazing games as well, anyway)? There's a lot more to a RPG than just the outcome of a PvP battle, regardless of how big the numbers involved in it are, and that's why I enjoy MMORPGs.
I didn't say WoW's PvP system is the best. It wasn't in Vanilla, in BC, in WOTLK or in the next expansions. But to say it's garbage and it isn't at least on par with Aion's one is another thing.
I didn't aim my posts to OP but to certain people here that say WoW's PvP is a total garbage. Might as well be a matter of opinion because these 2 PvP styles are different, but that doesn't change anything.
Probably because if I'd get into details, I'd get shot by Aion fanboys who aren't reading the actual post, just like now.
Oh well.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
And how did you come to that conclusion? Just because I like everyone to have a little bit of personal skill instead going for a full zergfest means I should go back to CS(and CS, L4D and TF2 are all amazing games as well, anyway)? There's a lot more to an RPG than just the outcome of a PvP battle, regardless of how big the numbers involved in it are, and that's why I enjoy MMORPGs.
Wait what? WoW's PvP system is not considered a zergfest and not rely heavily on builds / equipments?
You have just blew my mind. I think I need some confirmation from more WoW players because alot already said it was a zergfest and rely too much on builds and equipments.
Edit: OP's English might not be good but it is still readable by paying a bit more attention. OP actually did not start any flame, it is just the language usage might make it sound like a flame, but in fact he is asking and posting things that base on his own experiences. Sometimes as a third person speaking in the place of a game it seems. Either way, yeah flame started somewhere in this thread in the middle somewhere.
Probably because if I'd get into details, I'd get shot by Aion fanboys who aren't reading the actual post, just like now.
Oh well.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
And how did you come to that conclusion? Just because I like everyone to have a little bit of personal skill instead going for a full zergfest means I should go back to CS(and CS, L4D and TF2 are all amazing games as well, anyway)? There's a lot more to an RPG than just the outcome of a PvP battle, regardless of how big the numbers involved in it are, and that's why I enjoy MMORPGs.
Wait what? WoW's PvP system is not considered a zergfest and not rely heavily on builds / equipments?
You have just blew my mind. I think I need some confirmation from more WoW players because alot already said it was a zergfest and rely too much on builds and equipments.
AV and WG maybe. Arena, WSG and AB not so much, and those will probably be the rated battlegrounds(maybe EOTS and new battleground as well).
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I wouldn't flame you. There's nothing wrong with liking WOW's system. I loved it, in fact. I really liked the old ranking days. I logged more time in AV than I could even begin to count, lol
I think NCSoft will revamp Aions battle lengths, mark my words, to make it a bit more "westernized." Still, as an older guy who likes to click fight I can appreciate a fight not being over too fast! lol
Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Aion is new. Just like WOW added and grew it's PvP content, who's to say Aion won't keep bringing fresh things to the game(or at least adding tried and true PvP content)?
Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes,
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P
2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.
And as you said, Aion will surley progress in a good way, Its a big change plaing the 1.0 version of the game and the new 1.5, I really hope and think aion will be a great success here in europe, Also please excuse my english;p
Your English is fine unlike the posters.
2 things I don't quite understand, you want the PRE-BC ranking system AND you want the Rated Arena Game system. Wouldn't those two ideas conflict?
BTW when you say PRE-BC you are talking about the Race For High Warlord rank right?
Did you ever make a serious attempt at doing that?
I have no interest in seeing either of your ideas come to fruition in AION.
Arena or as I like to call it PvP ala Basketball Court is bullshit.
I want war pvp, I dont want boxing.
The funny thing is, you already have WoW Arenas.
Don't like AION PvP?
The answer is right in front of you.
Yes i ment the race for HW/GM i acually tried but only got to rank Marshal(rank 12) My realm was very competative alot of top pvpers, And i didet say i wanted the pre-bc ranking system back i just said it was awsome, And i also said what i wanted not what the whole world should want, We all have different opinions and should respect others aswell.. And i do like largescale PVP aswell just that aion dose it in a very lame way, Slow paced, and it just seems like a big zerg.. I want pvp to involve some tactics, and be skilled based. Sure alot of ppl will say that wow is not skill based at all, but wow acually has some complexity its not just going in to the arena polymorhping the dps and killing the healer, Its alot more involved. anyway, As i said i was ready for this and i always wear my flame cloak on these forums.
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I am always amazed when someone ask if pvp will be as good as in WoW.
In my opinion WoW PvP is pure crap and whoever say different never played Daoc.
The step in right direction was mad by Age of Conan where PvP mechanics are great (mages not that good), but reward vs loss is not that good.
Darkfall tried something new too but I found it pretty blend and not that interesting.
As for Aion well cant really say it seems they are going in right direction, with different bonuses while you moving ( parry etc.. ) and abilities that you can do while you move.
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I wouldn't flame you. There's nothing wrong with liking WOW's system. I loved it, in fact. I really liked the old ranking days. I logged more time in AV than I could even begin to count, lol
I think NCSoft will revamp Aions battle lengths, mark my words, to make it a bit more "westernized." Still, as an older guy who likes to click fight I can appreciate a fight not being over too fast! lol
Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Aion is new. Just like WOW added and grew it's PvP content, who's to say Aion won't keep bringing fresh things to the game(or at least adding tried and true PvP content)?
Totally agree, The pre-BC ranking system was awsome:> , Aion would be my new main game if they made 2 changes,
1. Adding a rated arena system like in WoW, Thats the only good thing still in WoW, rest is just crap, Its also the only thing game wise i really enjoy. Sure some new games are fun for a few hours but rated 2v2,3v3,5v5 tops them all, never gets boring:P
2. And changed the combat system, by that i mean, Making it abit faster and removing the instant cast thing i mentioned eariler. or just increase the run speed a bit, the walking takes forever. both out and in combat.
And as you said, Aion will surley progress in a good way, Its a big change plaing the 1.0 version of the game and the new 1.5, I really hope and think aion will be a great success here in europe, Also please excuse my english;p
1: NO!
2: NO!
If you want Wow pvp play Wow. I find Wow pvp to be horrible and unbalanced.
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right... your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!
Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right... your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!
Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit
speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.
and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race
and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance, your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge
are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.
please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .
After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.
I won't flame you, but I will **HIGHLY ** recommend you not play Aion. It's pvp is much more closely tied to DAoC's version of open, fluid pvp than WoW's restricted, arcade/console-like approach.
I've RvR'ed extensively in DAoC and WAR, and I have also played BGs/arenas pretty much exclusively in WoW (I don't raid). If WoW was the first game where you really leaned how to PvP, Aion's version of PvP will seem like an epic fail to you--not because it isn't good, but because it doesn't provide a neat, enclosed box in which you can pewpew as you run around pillars.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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Any game with PvP is better than WoW's pvp system.
I think it will make WoW PvP its little bitch. Open World PvP is the bomb and thats all there is too it. If I wanted to do battle grounds id just go play a FPS. PvP needs to be on the fly it makes you think and if you see a huge group coming to join the battle, there is nothing like that oh shit feeling to get the blood flowing.
The only exception i'll make to that is the 1vs1 duels. Im ok with those because Im a big fan of MMA. But other than that I want crazy random, you never know what your going up against, unbalanced teams battling it out to take control of an area.
Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.
Probably because if I'd get into details, I'd get shot by Aion fanboys who aren't reading the actual post, just like now.
Oh well.
Ack, that's about as far from a factual statement as you can get.
Well Thenarius said it so it must be.
Oh and another thing about Aion. Moving in combat actually gives your character Pluses and Minuses to armor, dodge and damage so that in is self already makes PvP better in Aion IMO.
No it's not garbage, it's probably the most balanced class-based MMORPG these days, a balance that doesn't occur after 20v20 but rather from 2v2(hell, even 1v1) to 19v19. You can pretty much do arena for weapons then organise world events with your friends, duel and do battlegrounds.
please its garbage, its not hard to have balance with carbon copy characters, right? right... your arena garbage is just that, most people don't want little set up fights, its dull, you know what to expect, BORING, not to mention I've heard time and time again that NERFS and LOVE from patches constantly determine whats useful in those arenas and what isn't meaning, if you want to win, you need a specific group of characters with your awesome months of raid gear to stand a chance, and then next patch, ur char is worthless, sounds fun!
Yeah, it is fun, since you play WoW for fun and new content, not for epics then QQ that they became useless in the next expansion. PvE gear is useless in PvP as well.
There are no carbon copy characters in PvP. Tanks are probably the most homogenised thing in WoW at the moment, and that's only in PvE. I know someone who did 2300 in arena as Shadow Priest/Resto druid. Can you actually say that those people are not skilled?
Let me tell you something. If you and a random average dude would play vs a 2600 rated mirror combo and both got the same gear, who do you think it would win? Granted, I've only reached 2350 then dropped pretty fast back to 2200-2300 but I can accept that those 2600 players are better than you or me.
If you'd take 20x 2600 rated players and make them fight vs 20x average players in Aion, guess who would win.
So please, stop being a parrot and bringing the same reasons over and over again, there are a lot of skilled players with strange setups that can destroy players with a very good setup, even at high rating.
/puts on flamesuit
speak for yourself, being a parrot, your being the atypical wow fanboi bringing the discussion here, and saying the things you are saying.
and i'm almost positive each side has the same exact classes, so I was correct with what I was saying as long as thats the case, a carbon copy of each race
and yes, the game is gear based, you could put a 10 year old in that game, teach him how to play and if he has the best gear he has the best chance, your WoW game has no real challenge, and to be honest no games these days have any real challenge
are you kidding me? YOU CAN CAST WHILE BEING HIT, thats a joke in all new mmos, not just wow... talk about easy mode.. you are all spoiled by dumbed down games, honestly.
please get it threw your thick skull, that the skill and and challenge in wow, is minimal, give me your account for a day, i haven't played wow since the 1st month it came out, I'll have no problem in an arena after 20 min of learning your setup... as well as any other modern game, its not difficult, and the best thing is , companies keep making these games easier because people don't want to learn how to win, get out of here with your WoW pvp is best, is awesome garbage and talk about it on their forums .
After reading this, you obviously never played WoW so it's pointless to argue with you(not that it wasn't pointless before anyway) yet keep in mind that WoW has a lot more challenge that Aion and this is a fact.
Have fun(and read the thread title again, maybe that's what it bought me here) ^_^
At least Lineage 2 had a decent world and nice siege mechanics.
Wow pvp is all about flavor of the month. The Ret Pally has had a pretty long run over the last few months in Wow. The biggest problem I have with Wow pvp is it is so gear based. Wow pvp is all about gear and that is a fact. The next problem I have with Wow pvp is the crazy amount of CC. There is nothing like having no control of your character while you get pummeled in to the ground. Now that is great pvp. :P The reason I'm interested in Aion pvp is it is NOT Wow PVP. The fights last longer and CC is not a major factor in the out come. I do not have any knowledge on how gear comes in to play and have hopes that is not so gear based like Wow.
You DO KNOW CC is not a major factor, but DO NOT KNOW how gear comes in to play?
Sounds to me you don't know either, only those who played beta to high levels or played a Korean version can be of some input here, if you're not one of them do not present us with "facts".
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Has anyone pvpve'ed yet? Im still curious how that would be fun, dont like the idea of pve interference during a pvp battle, but it could be done right i guess, still undecided if this is a good idea (in my opinion at least)
One thing they could do to the pvp is speed up attacks. I know its like the most hated game in the world, but aoc has some phenominal pvp due to their fast attacks and combos, really made for an interesting fight, in groups and 1vs1.
During their many betas i was a bit dissapointed in the combat of aion, though i know i only got to experience it at lower levels, was won dering at endgame does it speed up, or are battles drawn out due to slower combat?
Im really going to miss ffa open world pvp....god i hope they put a ffa server up. not because i like to gank (i do) but because leveling up in that enviroment is kinda exciting, forces you to make groups for defence ect.
vinter i got nothing againsnt people that dislike WoW cause the game has its faults but you only played the first month of its releaese. Thats like a highschool drop out saying hes a rocket scientist. Thats how much knowledge you have on WoW. Your my good sir are ignorant. Hell the average WoW hater knows more than you. Doesn't say to much about your character buddy. Though your doing a great job at making yourself look stupid
You DO KNOW CC is not a major factor, but DO NOT KNOW how gear comes in to play?
Sounds to me you don't know either, only those who played beta to high levels or played a Korean version can be of some input here, if you're not one of them do not present us with "facts".
It's simple just watch video's of high end pvp. Have you ever studied for a test? You can watch high end pvp and see that CC is not a major play. No matter how much I watch though I can not tell how much gear comes in to play and or level.
Well to the guy who said Wow's classes were one of the best balanced in all mmo's. OBVIOUSLY You only play mage.
J. B.
Well sence it was made by Ncsoft its a yes, just becuae they made lineage 2 and lineage 2 to me was the best game with PVP ive ever played wow didnt come close to how much fun i had in PvP. Even if aion is faction based it will still have some awsome pvp in it
I disagree with this. As a general rule, I think slower, more drawn-out battles are much better than faster, over-before-you-know-it battles. Quick battles by evenly-numbered opponents are better left to FPSes, consoles, and WoW.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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Eh I agree, its not garbage.
But this "Balance" you speak of shifts from patch to patch in wild swings.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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...fanbois reading actual post.
Thenarius, the original post sucked. SUCKED.
Borderline unreadable.
Poster was misleading with the title.
Posters English was absolutely terrible.
AND THEN
HE
P0STED EVERYTHING LIKE
THIS? <---And then used wrong punctuation.
Poster was a guildwars fanboi.
And the parts I did understand were huge and uninformed assumptions.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
And how did you come to that conclusion? Just because I like everyone to have a little bit of personal skill instead going for a full zergfest means I should go back to CS(and CS, L4D and TF2 are all amazing games as well, anyway)? There's a lot more to a RPG than just the outcome of a PvP battle, regardless of how big the numbers involved in it are, and that's why I enjoy MMORPGs.
I didn't say WoW's PvP system is the best. It wasn't in Vanilla, in BC, in WOTLK or in the next expansions. But to say it's garbage and it isn't at least on par with Aion's one is another thing.
I didn't aim my posts to OP but to certain people here that say WoW's PvP is a total garbage. Might as well be a matter of opinion because these 2 PvP styles are different, but that doesn't change anything.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
And how did you come to that conclusion? Just because I like everyone to have a little bit of personal skill instead going for a full zergfest means I should go back to CS(and CS, L4D and TF2 are all amazing games as well, anyway)? There's a lot more to an RPG than just the outcome of a PvP battle, regardless of how big the numbers involved in it are, and that's why I enjoy MMORPGs.
Wait what? WoW's PvP system is not considered a zergfest and not rely heavily on builds / equipments?
You have just blew my mind. I think I need some confirmation from more WoW players because alot already said it was a zergfest and rely too much on builds and equipments.
Edit: OP's English might not be good but it is still readable by paying a bit more attention. OP actually did not start any flame, it is just the language usage might make it sound like a flame, but in fact he is asking and posting things that base on his own experiences. Sometimes as a third person speaking in the place of a game it seems. Either way, yeah flame started somewhere in this thread in the middle somewhere.
Well, I have to say that based on the arguments I've seen so far, and my own extensive experience playing in WoW's pvp system, that anything you might come up with wouldn't convince me that WoW's pvp system is the best out there. Far from it. Also, and I am just spit-balling here, it seems that your pvp experience is pretty much limited to WoW, which has the effect of drastically reducing the credibility of your arguments against other pvp games/environments.
And how did you come to that conclusion? Just because I like everyone to have a little bit of personal skill instead going for a full zergfest means I should go back to CS(and CS, L4D and TF2 are all amazing games as well, anyway)? There's a lot more to an RPG than just the outcome of a PvP battle, regardless of how big the numbers involved in it are, and that's why I enjoy MMORPGs.
Wait what? WoW's PvP system is not considered a zergfest and not rely heavily on builds / equipments?
You have just blew my mind. I think I need some confirmation from more WoW players because alot already said it was a zergfest and rely too much on builds and equipments.
AV and WG maybe. Arena, WSG and AB not so much, and those will probably be the rated battlegrounds(maybe EOTS and new battleground as well).