I'm actually glad this game is raising the hackles of some in the MMORPG community. That's usually what happens when a developer takes a chance and tries something innovative.
The other option is that a game just follows the same old MMORPG designs and then you have the *same* people whining about how it's not doing anything original.
MMORPGS are evolving and they're not always going to fit people's old definitions. And maybe that's a good thing.
I'm actually glad this game is raising the hackles of some in the MMORPG community. That's usually what happens when a developer takes a chance and tries something innovative.
Ya, well it also happens when a developer screws up massively, so take your pick.
A quote: "Especially since you've got such a strong singleplayer element in the story and choice features, how important is grouping to Star Wars: The Old Republic? Blaine: I think it's a very important message we want to get out right now, because there's a lot of questions out there. People are saying, "Okay, we see it, we get it. It looks like a BioWare game and that looks like a singleplayer experience." We really want to make sure that it's clear that it's not [a singleplayer game]. Obviously what we've shown so far are the new things we're trying to bring to the MMO space, but grouping is going to be very important. The closest demonstration we've had so far is where we show the flashpoint where we've got the the Sith Warrior grouped up with the Bounty Hunter. That's a grouping experience, and that includes your story experience, which is something we want to be sure people are clear on. When you're grouped, it doesn't impede the story whatsoever, so you can still progress the story as a group. It's not a singleplayer experience in any way, shape or form. That said, if you want to do solo play that's something that you can do as well. It's a goal of ours to make sure that we cater to all those play styles. It someone is like, "I don't wanna group, I wanna play a BioWare game. I wanna go through the story and do things on my own." you can do that. You're gonna see other people running around the world, as you would in any other MMO. On the other hand, if you want to group you're gonna be able to go through the game that way as well."
I think Bioware and I have different ideas about what makes a mmorpg MASSIVE !?!!?!
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc.
thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks.
i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting
i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something.
i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi.
i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out.
most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on
anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want
A quote: "Especially since you've got such a strong singleplayer element in the story and choice features, how important is grouping to Star Wars: The Old Republic? Blaine: I think it's a very important message we want to get out right now, because there's a lot of questions out there. People are saying, "Okay, we see it, we get it. It looks like a BioWare game and that looks like a singleplayer experience." We really want to make sure that it's clear that it's not [a singleplayer game]. Obviously what we've shown so far are the new things we're trying to bring to the MMO space, but grouping is going to be very important. The closest demonstration we've had so far is where we show the flashpoint where we've got the the Sith Warrior grouped up with the Bounty Hunter. That's a grouping experience, and that includes your story experience, which is something we want to be sure people are clear on. When you're grouped, it doesn't impede the story whatsoever, so you can still progress the story as a group. It's not a singleplayer experience in any way, shape or form. That said, if you want to do solo play that's something that you can do as well. It's a goal of ours to make sure that we cater to all those play styles. It someone is like, "I don't wanna group, I wanna play a BioWare game. I wanna go through the story and do things on my own." you can do that. You're gonna see other people running around the world, as you would in any other MMO. On the other hand, if you want to group you're gonna be able to go through the game that way as well."
I think Bioware and I have different ideas about what makes a mmorpg MASSIVE !?!!?!
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc.
thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks.
i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting
i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something.
i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi.
i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out.
most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on
anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want
I am hoping your post was a joke. At first I believed it to be one, then I read the unlockable Jedi / rare part, the "100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out", and the "anyone who is a true gamer" crap.
A quote: "Especially since you've got such a strong singleplayer element in the story and choice features, how important is grouping to Star Wars: The Old Republic? Blaine: I think it's a very important message we want to get out right now, because there's a lot of questions out there. People are saying, "Okay, we see it, we get it. It looks like a BioWare game and that looks like a singleplayer experience." We really want to make sure that it's clear that it's not [a singleplayer game]. Obviously what we've shown so far are the new things we're trying to bring to the MMO space, but grouping is going to be very important. The closest demonstration we've had so far is where we show the flashpoint where we've got the the Sith Warrior grouped up with the Bounty Hunter. That's a grouping experience, and that includes your story experience, which is something we want to be sure people are clear on. When you're grouped, it doesn't impede the story whatsoever, so you can still progress the story as a group. It's not a singleplayer experience in any way, shape or form. That said, if you want to do solo play that's something that you can do as well. It's a goal of ours to make sure that we cater to all those play styles. It someone is like, "I don't wanna group, I wanna play a BioWare game. I wanna go through the story and do things on my own." you can do that. You're gonna see other people running around the world, as you would in any other MMO. On the other hand, if you want to group you're gonna be able to go through the game that way as well."
I think Bioware and I have different ideas about what makes a mmorpg MASSIVE !?!!?!
I highlighted in green figuring it might make you a little more positive. This is carefully worded by Bioware, letting you know there is more to come. This company is not going to spill every detail of their plans and overhype the game. They've been in this business awhile, they know what they are doin. They have an excellent reputation for making story driven RPG's, so if the SAY they are gonna make a story driven MMO, I'm taking their word for it. Please don't act like you know the entire structure of this game based on a couple of paragraphs of information.
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thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out k.
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc. Fable 2 was to be known as a Single Player RPG and a Multiplayer game second. I don't get your point. It's not even the same company. Lion Head Studios = Fable. BioWare = ToR. thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks. I really have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting Nobody has information on this. i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something. Find another game. i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi. Alpha classes don't work in MMOs. Maybe you should be the one playing a single player? i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out. Then go buy a book or play one of those 100s of boring SP rpgs. most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on You're SoL cry me a river. anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want Because you are to scared to do it yourself?
LOL, what is wrong with you? You constantly say the same crap and get the same answers.
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out k.
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc. Fable 2 was to be known as a Single Player RPG and a Multiplayer game second. I don't get your point. It's not even the same company. Lion Head Studios = Fable. BioWare = ToR. thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks. I really have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting Nobody has information on this. i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something. Find another game. i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi. Alpha classes don't work in MMOs. Maybe you should be the one playing a single player? i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out. Then go buy a book or play one of those 100s of boring SP rpgs. most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on You're SoL cry me a river. anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want Because you are to scared to do it yourself?
LOL, what is wrong with you? You constantly say the same crap and get the same answers.
This I have an answer for.. it would appear that for some people, when SoE pees in your cherios, anyone who will ever make a star wars game must suffer.
A quote: "Especially since you've got such a strong singleplayer element in the story and choice features, how important is grouping to Star Wars: The Old Republic? Blaine: I think it's a very important message we want to get out right now, because there's a lot of questions out there. People are saying, "Okay, we see it, we get it. It looks like a BioWare game and that looks like a singleplayer experience." We really want to make sure that it's clear that it's not [a singleplayer game]. Obviously what we've shown so far are the new things we're trying to bring to the MMO space, but grouping is going to be very important. The closest demonstration we've had so far is where we show the flashpoint where we've got the the Sith Warrior grouped up with the Bounty Hunter. That's a grouping experience, and that includes your story experience, which is something we want to be sure people are clear on. When you're grouped, it doesn't impede the story whatsoever, so you can still progress the story as a group. It's not a singleplayer experience in any way, shape or form. That said, if you want to do solo play that's something that you can do as well. It's a goal of ours to make sure that we cater to all those play styles. It someone is like, "I don't wanna group, I wanna play a BioWare game. I wanna go through the story and do things on my own." you can do that. You're gonna see other people running around the world, as you would in any other MMO. On the other hand, if you want to group you're gonna be able to go through the game that way as well."
I think Bioware and I have different ideas about what makes a mmorpg MASSIVE !?!!?!
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc.
thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks.
i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting
i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something.
i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi.
i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out.
most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on
anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want
So basically you want swg 2. Gotcha. Nuff said.
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Honestly, I kind of wish they WOULD go F2P with this now, simply because this seems a whole lot like guild wars, only with a monthly fee. The idea of a "massively co-op" kotor is nice, but I'm not paying $15 a month for what is essentially a modified co-op game.
Then again, I dont see what the hell they can do with this game besides give you story elements at this point anyway. They seem to give you all your class defining features right from the start to make the game "accessible" so I really have no idea where they plan on going from there as there seems to be little to nothing to actually WORK toward. Lets not even get into the fact that, joy, the future appears to be nothing but a mass of jedi dual wielding lightsabers...
Honestly, I kind of wish they WOULD go F2P with this now, simply because this seems a whole lot like guild wars, only with a monthly fee. The idea of a "massively co-op" kotor is nice, but I'm not paying $15 a month for what is essentially a modified co-op game. Then again, I dont see what the hell they can do with this game besides give you story elements at this point anyway. They seem to give you all your class defining features right from the start to make the game "accessible" so I really have no idea where they plan on going from there as there seems to be little to nothing to actually WORK toward. Lets not even get into the fact that, joy, the future appears to be nothing but a mass of jedi dual wielding lightsabers...
Oh you know everyone is going to make a Jedi, there is no doubt about that.
At this point however, I don't know what the long term value will be for me in TOR, from what I have been reading it seems a lot like Mass Effect online with a Star Wars theme. I am not not a really big fan of instancing in my mmorpgs, but I did love Mass Effect, but once I solved it, the game was shelved.
I just hope Bioware does this game right, cause I am sick to death with Fantasy mmo's.
I just dont get why games like this are sold as MMORPGs. Clearly it is would be better suited as a story driven single/multiplayer game than an MMORPG. I mean what reason would there be for this game to be a MMORPG? Except ofcourse the monthly fee...
So what is this game missing thats making it not a MMO? Be sure to think hard!
Well, for me, for a game to feel like an MMO I need to feel that the actions I perform on the world has some impact on it. Playing through a single player story that does not impact the world would not only not qualify but would also break the immersion.
Oh I just killed Boba Fett but so are 1000s others in the same world. Wtf?
So to answer your question what this, or any game, needs to feel like a real MMORPG is to have either PvE or PvP that impacts the world. So if I or my group kills an epic dragon it stays dead and does not respawn infinite number of times.
Or in PvP if my guild attacks and drives out a rival guild then that effect should be felt by that guild and the world as whole. That is what makes an MMO, for me.
Like the presenter said, they are giving us KoToR 3, 4, 5, 6, etc, etc...that tells me it is nothing more than a single player game with MMO light tacked on. I still say it will play like Guild Wars but with a Star Wars skin. A single hub meeting place and everything else is instanced. I do not see this game being like WoW or say otehr main stream open world MMO's where you can openly travel from city to city. No I think it will be more or less like Guild Wars. If that is the case...no thanks.
I just dont get why games like this are sold as MMORPGs. Clearly it is would be better suited as a story driven single/multiplayer game than an MMORPG. I mean what reason would there be for this game to be a MMORPG? Except ofcourse the monthly fee...
So what is this game missing thats making it not a MMO? Be sure to think hard!
Well, for me, for a game to feel like an MMO I need to feel that the actions I perform on the world has some impact on it. Playing through a single player story that does not impact the world would not only not qualify but would also break the immersion.
Oh I just killed Boba Fett but so are 1000s others in the same world. Wtf?
So to answer your question what this, or any game, needs to feel like a real MMORPG is to have either PvE or PvP that impacts the world. So if I or my group kills an epic dragon it stays dead and does not respawn infinite number of times.
Or in PvP if my guild attacks and drives out a rival guild then that effect should be felt by that guild and the world as whole. That is what makes an MMO, for me.
So WoW isn't an MMO because that huge raid boss you just killed will be killed again in 15 minutes by another guild and you yourself will kill it again next week?
Like the presenter said, they are giving us KoToR 3, 4, 5, 6, etc, etc...that tells me it is nothing more than a single player game with MMO light tacked on. I still say it will play like Guild Wars but with a Star Wars skin. A single hub meeting place and everything else is instanced. I do not see this game being like WoW or say otehr main stream open world MMO's where you can openly travel from city to city. No I think it will be more or less like Guild Wars. If that is the case...no thanks.
I'll take that bet teala. Its already been said that you will have lots of areas where you will see people running around in certain zones.. although we aren't sure exactly how zoning will work quite yet.
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out k.
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc. Fable 2 was to be known as a Single Player RPG and a Multiplayer game second. I don't get your point. It's not even the same company. Lion Head Studios = Fable. BioWare = ToR. thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks. I really have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting Nobody has information on this. i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something. Find another game. i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi. Alpha classes don't work in MMOs. Maybe you should be the one playing a single player? i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out. Then go buy a book or play one of those 100s of boring SP rpgs. most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on You're SoL cry me a river. anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want Because you are to scared to do it yourself?
LOL, what is wrong with you? You constantly say the same crap and get the same answers.
This I have an answer for.. it would appear that for some people, when SoE pees in your cherios, anyone who will ever make a star wars game must suffer.
Because they think they can kill this game with words before it launches like with SWG. But what they fail to realize is that this is a new game, SWG was already old and never really lived. This game IP and company also have an exsisting fanbase that is huge. Angry vets really are just the vocal minority now. Most of us angry vets gave up the lame fight long ago because we came to the conclusion that SWG isn't for us anymore, pre-cu isn't coming back, the emu sucks, it was just a game, and that there will be plenty other games to play.
I myself took a step back and said, "hey, I had fun in SWG pre-cu, but I can see why people didn't like it and why it was full of broken mechanics and why most people would be bored with it". They are just still blinded by hatred. Once you get to that point were you can look objectively at things in the past without the emotional ties, all things will become clearer. SWG wasn't really that great of a game. It does not fit within the guidelines of a standard fair MMO. It walked mostly in the realm of Second Life in a Star Wars skin.
Does that mean there aren't things about the game that were ahead of there time and great? No, there were plenty of things that I can look back and say, why can't that be in MMOs? The only reason it's not is because most companies spend their time working on combat mechanics, instead of the downtime activities we loved.
BioWare has said, yes, there will be those down time activities because they are important to some players. No one ever went any further explaining that for a number of reasons, the biggest one being to not scare off the people who think that's unimportant because they have never experienced it. So if BioWare slips in some love for "elder players" as they call us, don't be surprised. All you can do is wait and see what that is. It won't be everything you loved, but I'll tell you right now, it's going to be there, and it's going to be what works; and all these threads harping on this game will slowly fall into obscurity .
I just dont get why games like this are sold as MMORPGs. Clearly it is would be better suited as a story driven single/multiplayer game than an MMORPG. I mean what reason would there be for this game to be a MMORPG? Except ofcourse the monthly fee...
So what is this game missing thats making it not a MMO? Be sure to think hard!
Well, for me, for a game to feel like an MMO I need to feel that the actions I perform on the world has some impact on it. Playing through a single player story that does not impact the world would not only not qualify but would also break the immersion.
Oh I just killed Boba Fett but so are 1000s others in the same world. Wtf?
So to answer your question what this, or any game, needs to feel like a real MMORPG is to have either PvE or PvP that impacts the world. So if I or my group kills an epic dragon it stays dead and does not respawn infinite number of times.
Or in PvP if my guild attacks and drives out a rival guild then that effect should be felt by that guild and the world as whole. That is what makes an MMO, for me.
I see what you are saying. That's not something that qualifies this as a single player only, though. What you are asking for is what is IN a single player rpg. strange huh? If they was to follow this they would have to update the game on a daily basis to keep up with bosses that no longer spawn because a few people kill him. If something like this effects your immersion, I'm not quite sure how you can play MMOs to begin with. And you can't even bring PvP into this at the moment, we dont know anything about, other then it's there.
Your opinion is fine, but it's pretty silly if that is the reason you believe this to be a Single Player.
Like the presenter said, they are giving us KoToR 3, 4, 5, 6, etc, etc...that tells me it is nothing more than a single player game with MMO light tacked on.
You guys are thinking to hard. When he says KoTOR 3,4,5 and so on. He is refering to never ending content. Not you will be alone the entire game, or able to group with a handfull of friends. It's no different then another MMO adding content. This was basically used to assure the KoTOR fans the story will be continued in ToR, instead of having to buy a whole new game ever 2 years.
It will be a game first and I would not be so concerned on what lable is placed upon the game. The fact the dev is selling us on how a group consists of two people I am doubting this game is going to require a high level coordinated team play with many players at once. Wether that makes it a mmo or not is really up to you the individual. As an mmo fan and not a singleplayer or online RTS fan I don't predict myself buying this game. I don't really care what the game's lable is. I hope that it is enjoyable for the players who want such a game.
It will be a game first and I would not be so concerned on what lable is placed upon the game. The fact the dev is selling us on how a group consists of two people I am doubting this game is going to require a high level coordinated team play with many players at once. Wether that makes it a mmo or not is really up to you the individual. As an mmo fan and not a singleplayer or online RTS fan I don't predict myself buying this game. I don't really care what the game's lable is. I hope that it is enjoyable for the players who want such a game.
In this interview they state you can have 20 man groups
It will be a game first and I would not be so concerned on what lable is placed upon the game. The fact the dev is selling us on how a group consists of two people I am doubting this game is going to require a high level coordinated team play with many players at once. Wether that makes it a mmo or not is really up to you the individual. As an mmo fan and not a singleplayer or online RTS fan I don't predict myself buying this game. I don't really care what the game's lable is. I hope that it is enjoyable for the players who want such a game.
In this interview they state you can have 20 man groups
yeah i'm going to believe something that comes from a network who has shows about whos boobs are bigger and whats the best looking playboy playmate or the best of internet porn
It will be a game first and I would not be so concerned on what lable is placed upon the game. The fact the dev is selling us on how a group consists of two people I am doubting this game is going to require a high level coordinated team play with many players at once. Wether that makes it a mmo or not is really up to you the individual. As an mmo fan and not a singleplayer or online RTS fan I don't predict myself buying this game. I don't really care what the game's lable is. I hope that it is enjoyable for the players who want such a game.
In this interview they state you can have 20 man groups
yeah i'm going to believe something that comes from a network who has shows about whos boobs are bigger and whats the best looking playboy playmate or the best of internet porn
i wouldn't trust g4 with anything
That pretty much proves you have read and watched NOTHING and all your opinions on this game are based on your own convoluted imagination. That which I linked is an INTERVIEW with a dev from BioWare. The Developer said "if you want, you can play with 20 people" meaning group up with 20 other people for a flashpoint. lol you got weak game son.
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I'm actually glad this game is raising the hackles of some in the MMORPG community. That's usually what happens when a developer takes a chance and tries something innovative.
The other option is that a game just follows the same old MMORPG designs and then you have the *same* people whining about how it's not doing anything original.
MMORPGS are evolving and they're not always going to fit people's old definitions. And maybe that's a good thing.
So the op in UNORIGINAL and unintelligent...
Ya, well it also happens when a developer screws up massively, so take your pick.
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc.
thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks.
i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting
i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something.
i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi.
i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out.
most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on
anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want
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Also the skill on contributing to the unfathomably large pool of useless posts.
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc.
thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks.
i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting
i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something.
i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi.
i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out.
most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on
anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want
I am hoping your post was a joke. At first I believed it to be one, then I read the unlockable Jedi / rare part, the "100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out", and the "anyone who is a true gamer" crap.
I highlighted in green figuring it might make you a little more positive. This is carefully worded by Bioware, letting you know there is more to come. This company is not going to spill every detail of their plans and overhype the game. They've been in this business awhile, they know what they are doin. They have an excellent reputation for making story driven RPG's, so if the SAY they are gonna make a story driven MMO, I'm taking their word for it. Please don't act like you know the entire structure of this game based on a couple of paragraphs of information.
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LOL, what is wrong with you? You constantly say the same crap and get the same answers.
LOL, what is wrong with you? You constantly say the same crap and get the same answers.
This I have an answer for.. it would appear that for some people, when SoE pees in your cherios, anyone who will ever make a star wars game must suffer.
thanks for the great post and maybe you fanbois and fanbots should hear this out
tor is not and will not be a massive multiplayer game no it is going to be single player and you can invite friends into your world did anyone besides me read up about fable 2? remember how upset the fans with fable 2 are cuz rather then allow people to take their toons into friends games no you can only play a random cookiecutter npc.
thats what tor is its just a boring cookiecutter single player game that will allow people to play a npc party member now and then hohum no thanks.
i want to go into a town and see 100's of people playing and chatting
i want a skill based system that allows me to be who i want to be not some class system where i am forced to be something.
i want jedi to be unlockable so it is rare and you don't have everyone running around as jedi.
i want to make my own story not have some boring story told me if i want that i'll go read a book or buy one of the 100's of boring single player rpgs that have come out.
most of all i want a star wars mmorpg game not what $OE is running and claiming is an mmo not the one they are working on for the kiddies and most of all not this boring casual console so called mmorpg that bioware is working on
anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want
So basically you want swg 2. Gotcha. Nuff said.
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Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
you know guild wars had areas that you see lots of people running around in too...they are called towns....
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Honestly, I kind of wish they WOULD go F2P with this now, simply because this seems a whole lot like guild wars, only with a monthly fee. The idea of a "massively co-op" kotor is nice, but I'm not paying $15 a month for what is essentially a modified co-op game.
Then again, I dont see what the hell they can do with this game besides give you story elements at this point anyway. They seem to give you all your class defining features right from the start to make the game "accessible" so I really have no idea where they plan on going from there as there seems to be little to nothing to actually WORK toward. Lets not even get into the fact that, joy, the future appears to be nothing but a mass of jedi dual wielding lightsabers...
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Oh you know everyone is going to make a Jedi, there is no doubt about that.
At this point however, I don't know what the long term value will be for me in TOR, from what I have been reading it seems a lot like Mass Effect online with a Star Wars theme. I am not not a really big fan of instancing in my mmorpgs, but I did love Mass Effect, but once I solved it, the game was shelved.
I just hope Bioware does this game right, cause I am sick to death with Fantasy mmo's.
So what is this game missing thats making it not a MMO? Be sure to think hard!
Well, for me, for a game to feel like an MMO I need to feel that the actions I perform on the world has some impact on it. Playing through a single player story that does not impact the world would not only not qualify but would also break the immersion.
Oh I just killed Boba Fett but so are 1000s others in the same world. Wtf?
So to answer your question what this, or any game, needs to feel like a real MMORPG is to have either PvE or PvP that impacts the world. So if I or my group kills an epic dragon it stays dead and does not respawn infinite number of times.
Or in PvP if my guild attacks and drives out a rival guild then that effect should be felt by that guild and the world as whole. That is what makes an MMO, for me.
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Like the presenter said, they are giving us KoToR 3, 4, 5, 6, etc, etc...that tells me it is nothing more than a single player game with MMO light tacked on. I still say it will play like Guild Wars but with a Star Wars skin. A single hub meeting place and everything else is instanced. I do not see this game being like WoW or say otehr main stream open world MMO's where you can openly travel from city to city. No I think it will be more or less like Guild Wars. If that is the case...no thanks.
So what is this game missing thats making it not a MMO? Be sure to think hard!
Well, for me, for a game to feel like an MMO I need to feel that the actions I perform on the world has some impact on it. Playing through a single player story that does not impact the world would not only not qualify but would also break the immersion.
Oh I just killed Boba Fett but so are 1000s others in the same world. Wtf?
So to answer your question what this, or any game, needs to feel like a real MMORPG is to have either PvE or PvP that impacts the world. So if I or my group kills an epic dragon it stays dead and does not respawn infinite number of times.
Or in PvP if my guild attacks and drives out a rival guild then that effect should be felt by that guild and the world as whole. That is what makes an MMO, for me.
So WoW isn't an MMO because that huge raid boss you just killed will be killed again in 15 minutes by another guild and you yourself will kill it again next week?
ROFL you people are complete idiots.
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Waiting on: Guild Wars 2
I'll take that bet teala. Its already been said that you will have lots of areas where you will see people running around in certain zones.. although we aren't sure exactly how zoning will work quite yet.
LOL, what is wrong with you? You constantly say the same crap and get the same answers.
This I have an answer for.. it would appear that for some people, when SoE pees in your cherios, anyone who will ever make a star wars game must suffer.
Because they think they can kill this game with words before it launches like with SWG. But what they fail to realize is that this is a new game, SWG was already old and never really lived. This game IP and company also have an exsisting fanbase that is huge. Angry vets really are just the vocal minority now. Most of us angry vets gave up the lame fight long ago because we came to the conclusion that SWG isn't for us anymore, pre-cu isn't coming back, the emu sucks, it was just a game, and that there will be plenty other games to play.
I myself took a step back and said, "hey, I had fun in SWG pre-cu, but I can see why people didn't like it and why it was full of broken mechanics and why most people would be bored with it". They are just still blinded by hatred. Once you get to that point were you can look objectively at things in the past without the emotional ties, all things will become clearer. SWG wasn't really that great of a game. It does not fit within the guidelines of a standard fair MMO. It walked mostly in the realm of Second Life in a Star Wars skin.
Does that mean there aren't things about the game that were ahead of there time and great? No, there were plenty of things that I can look back and say, why can't that be in MMOs? The only reason it's not is because most companies spend their time working on combat mechanics, instead of the downtime activities we loved.
BioWare has said, yes, there will be those down time activities because they are important to some players. No one ever went any further explaining that for a number of reasons, the biggest one being to not scare off the people who think that's unimportant because they have never experienced it. So if BioWare slips in some love for "elder players" as they call us, don't be surprised. All you can do is wait and see what that is. It won't be everything you loved, but I'll tell you right now, it's going to be there, and it's going to be what works; and all these threads harping on this game will slowly fall into obscurity .
So what is this game missing thats making it not a MMO? Be sure to think hard!
Well, for me, for a game to feel like an MMO I need to feel that the actions I perform on the world has some impact on it. Playing through a single player story that does not impact the world would not only not qualify but would also break the immersion.
Oh I just killed Boba Fett but so are 1000s others in the same world. Wtf?
So to answer your question what this, or any game, needs to feel like a real MMORPG is to have either PvE or PvP that impacts the world. So if I or my group kills an epic dragon it stays dead and does not respawn infinite number of times.
Or in PvP if my guild attacks and drives out a rival guild then that effect should be felt by that guild and the world as whole. That is what makes an MMO, for me.
I see what you are saying. That's not something that qualifies this as a single player only, though. What you are asking for is what is IN a single player rpg. strange huh? If they was to follow this they would have to update the game on a daily basis to keep up with bosses that no longer spawn because a few people kill him. If something like this effects your immersion, I'm not quite sure how you can play MMOs to begin with. And you can't even bring PvP into this at the moment, we dont know anything about, other then it's there.
Your opinion is fine, but it's pretty silly if that is the reason you believe this to be a Single Player.
You guys are thinking to hard. When he says KoTOR 3,4,5 and so on. He is refering to never ending content. Not you will be alone the entire game, or able to group with a handfull of friends. It's no different then another MMO adding content. This was basically used to assure the KoTOR fans the story will be continued in ToR, instead of having to buy a whole new game ever 2 years.
It will be a game first and I would not be so concerned on what lable is placed upon the game. The fact the dev is selling us on how a group consists of two people I am doubting this game is going to require a high level coordinated team play with many players at once. Wether that makes it a mmo or not is really up to you the individual. As an mmo fan and not a singleplayer or online RTS fan I don't predict myself buying this game. I don't really care what the game's lable is. I hope that it is enjoyable for the players who want such a game.
In this interview they state you can have 20 man groups
g4tv.com/videos/41213/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Preview/
/shrug
sounds like an MMO to me.
Wonder how many haters will disregard this and continue saying it's a SP RPG.
In this interview they state you can have 20 man groups
g4tv.com/videos/41213/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Preview/
/shrug
sounds like an MMO to me.
g4tv
yeah i'm going to believe something that comes from a network who has shows about whos boobs are bigger and whats the best looking playboy playmate or the best of internet porn
i wouldn't trust g4 with anything
In this interview they state you can have 20 man groups
g4tv.com/videos/41213/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Preview/
/shrug
sounds like an MMO to me.
g4tv
yeah i'm going to believe something that comes from a network who has shows about whos boobs are bigger and whats the best looking playboy playmate or the best of internet porn
i wouldn't trust g4 with anything
That pretty much proves you have read and watched NOTHING and all your opinions on this game are based on your own convoluted imagination. That which I linked is an INTERVIEW with a dev from BioWare. The Developer said "if you want, you can play with 20 people" meaning group up with 20 other people for a flashpoint. lol you got weak game son.