mm he might say it the wrong way but i think i get what he try to say ,
in my view he means,if aion doesnt have a trump card and just release the game without any other incentive
we ll be exactly as we are now !the only difference will be in the name
instead of war it will be aion
kind of bad to release a game and see it end up like war
war is another good game but its not enough
GAME MAKER NEED TO REALISE A GOOD GAME ISNT GONA CUT I!
they need a trump card
You sir, need to stop posting assumptions. Shit's getting old.
Aion most likely will not end up like WAR in the least. A lot of the things that plagued WAR aren't even in Aion, if you want to know what really killed WAR, it was the profound amount of bugs and glitches with a PvP system that didn't add good end-game content. And what's up with this trump card crap? It doesn't NEED one, if you look at the trump card, it's the fact that there really aren't all that many new MMOs on the market (unless you take Champions Online into consideration) and THAT would be the trump card, if that's what you want to call it.
"IRL is a pretty upstanding MMO with thousands of classes, a lot of PvP and even some pretty unique emotes and titles you can acquire. Explore that world first, then we'll talk about this virtual one."
They copied WoW so that they could get North American success.
You know, I bet you would say the same thing about just about any fantasy MMO to get released post WoW. I've seen people here even go as far as to accuse Guild Wars of being a "wow-clone". I'm sure if there was an EQIII made, that too would be accused of being a "wow-clone".
Aion does borrow from a lot of games (note* every game does this, WoW especially), but if it's a clone of anything, it'd be a clone of Lineage 2. But guess what, they made lineage 2. It's basically Lineage 2 meets perfect world, with an adopted RvR system and combo system. None of these are WoW's innovation. What they borrowed from WoW is controls (smoothness of movement), and a quest driven progression system. However, only one of these cannot be tied back to MMOs pre-WoW (hint* it's not questing)
Honestly, a game finally comes out that meets the complaints of the last few games to get released, and a lot of you complain anyway. I guess if you look hard enough there's always something you can find to complain about.
On a side note, EQIII is supposedly in the works
See, here is the real problem with all the WoW IDIOTS. Now, these are the ones that WoW was their first MMO. They have no clue that pretty much all fantasy based mmo's have the same basic structures and classes and they are complaining because they think that the genre should change when in fact, it doesn't and hasn't and to be honest, probably never will. If it did, It would most likely be in a genre to itself. The part that I am finding funny is the ones that are coming in here and saying aion is nothing but a wow clone and then come back and say they have played all these other mmo's supposedly before WoW ever hit the market. If that was truely the case, then I think they are either A) simply trolling or simply Lieing. We could add a C) to that but do we really want to involve hot pokers and rotten apple cores? Nah, I didnt think so.
Let me state this up front. I played WoW, I liked WoW, it was entertaining to a certain degree so its not like I am a WoW basher. The problem is when these idiots want to relate everything to wow and bash it because its not something completely new and innovative. they are simply ignorant to how fantasy based MMO's have been in the past and unfortunately they can not comprehend that this genre really isn't going to change in any huge meaningful way so they have to try and vent their frustrations and bash anything that comes out. Who knows how long it will take them to finally comprehend that all they have done is made ass's of themselves for all these years, but by then it will be to late because they will never want to admit they were wrong, so they will probably just continue to make themselves look like idiots till time ceases or Gore realizes that he needs to remove the stupid people from those series of tubes.
Kinda remind me of USA politition. Maybe wow kids that are aion bashers should become polititions, they be good at it
Originally posted by drbaltazar mm he might say it the wrong way but i think i get what he try to say , in my view he means,if aion doesnt have a trump card and just release the game without any other incentive we ll be exactly as we are now !the only difference will be in the name instead of war it will be aion kind of bad to release a game and see it end up like war
I really doubt it's going to end up like warhammer simply because this game isn't inherently flawed like Warhammer is and the game has more available to it than Warhammer does. The engine seems to handle multiple players battling it out a hell of a lot better than the one being used in Warhammer. Aion has much more developed and involved crafting system than Warhammer and offers more value in the PvE department than Warhammer does. Also, much as I enjoyed them too when I played the scenario concept in Warhammer destroyed the RvR concept because it was so much easier to simply queue for those than bother with trying to do RvR. Plus, I could be mistaken because I haven't played to lvl 50 but it doesn't seem this game has the ridiculous level of cc abilities that Warhammer had that turned T4 into a comical mess. Aion has cc, no doubt, but not to the insane levels Warhammer did from what I've seen. The one thing this game could suffer from that plagued Warhammer is the merry go round effect that took place with capturing objectives and forts. I can't say yet one way or the other as to whether that will be a problem in this game yet.
Warhammer would have done really well if the game engine could actually handle the battles it was supposed to have and had more available to players besides the PvP aspect. I suppose anything is possible and it's a shame what happened with Warhammer because I had high hopes for that game but I just don't see this game going the same route.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Let me try this again so you can understand it. Everyone here already made the point that there are similarities and there are differences. No one needs to prove you wrong because your argument didn't hold any merit in the first place being that WoW itself stole previous ideas so therefore it's the pot calling the kettle black the only difference being that WoW is how many years older than Aion?? So if WoW was introducing a new spin on an old model and now it IS the old model, that means it's some pretty outdated stuff huh? Yeah Aion isn't recreating the wheel but if my choice is a set of racing low profile run flats or the old horse and carriage wheel that is WoW...that's a no brainer for me.
I love jackasses like you who think they know exactly what was going on WITHOUT reading the entire thread (or perhaps you just lack reading comprehension): I was making the point that Aion's combat is SIMILAR to WoW's; the person I had responded to (originally) had claimed it wasn't anything like WoW's combat, which is clearly false. I never said that WoW's combat was unique, or original, but that Aion PLAYS like WoW.
Anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a mage will be proficient with a sorcerer, anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a warlock will be proficient with a spirit master, WoW priest => cleric, rogue => assassin, ranger => hunter (albeit more loosely, since there is less micro involved with no pet): The combat is so similar that the play styles for those classes are identical. So how exactly ISN'T the combat like WoW's? So WoW wasn't unique; that just means you could pick other games with similar combat to compare Aion's with. Let me reiterate that the whole purpose was to point out that Aion has combat similar to WoW and any other games WoW has similar combat to (it's obviously transitive).
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Let me try this again so you can understand it. Everyone here already made the point that there are similarities and there are differences. No one needs to prove you wrong because your argument didn't hold any merit in the first place being that WoW itself stole previous ideas so therefore it's the pot calling the kettle black the only difference being that WoW is how many years older than Aion?? So if WoW was introducing a new spin on an old model and now it IS the old model, that means it's some pretty outdated stuff huh? Yeah Aion isn't recreating the wheel but if my choice is a set of racing low profile run flats or the old horse and carriage wheel that is WoW...that's a no brainer for me.
I love jackasses like you who think they know exactly what was going on WITHOUT reading the entire thread (or perhaps you just lack reading comprehension): I was making the point that Aion's combat is SIMILAR to WoW's; the person I had responded to (originally) had claimed it wasn't anything like WoW's combat, which is clearly false. I never said that WoW's combat was unique, or original, but that Aion PLAYS like WoW.
Anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a mage will be proficient with a sorcerer, anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a warlock will be proficient with a spirit master, WoW priest => cleric, rogue => assassin, ranger => hunter (albeit more loosely, since there is less micro involved with no pet): The combat is so similar that the play styles for those classes are identical. So how exactly ISN'T the combat like WoW's? So WoW wasn't unique; that just means you could pick other games with similar combat to compare Aion's with. Let me reiterate that the whole purpose was to point out that Aion has combat similar to WoW and any other games WoW has similar combat to (it's obviously transitive).
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case.
For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
We can compare games all day, no ones going to convince one another. You think you're right, he thinks he's right, it's just going in a endless circle. No one here is trying to convince you that WoW is a horrible game either, nor is anyone in denial.
We just don't like WoW so we don't like this game compared to it, well some of us. Even if it's somewhat like WoW, so what? What are you trying to prove here? Alot of games have similarities with one another, if you don't like it, then don't play it, it's simple. Don't insult people for disagreeing with you, it's their opinion and you have your own.
I just don't understand why you're not in the WoW forums and why you're lingering here since from everything you write is so negative. These forums are for players that are interested in playing Aion or are going to be playing Aion, not for trolling/flaming those users.
We can compare games all day, no ones going to convince one another. You think you're right, he thinks he's right, it's just going in a endless circle. No one here is trying to convince you that WoW is a horrible game either, nor is anyone in denial.
We just don't like WoW so we don't like this game compared to it, well some of us. Even if it's somewhat like WoW, so what? What are you trying to prove here? Alot of games have similarities with one another, if you don't like it, then don't play it, it's simple. Don't insult people for disagreeing with you, it's their opinion and you have your own.
I just don't understand why you're not in the WoW forums and why you're lingering here since from everything you write is so negative. These forums are for players that are interested in playing Aion or are going to be playing Aion, not for trolling/flaming those users.
It's funny that you should try and use that card when you called me a faggot and a noob in an earlier post (which is reportable FYI) and photoshopped a Blizzcon photo with my handle on it; now you're actually responding to my posts when you had posted that you wouldn't. Why should I take you seriously? Exactly. I don't take you seriously, so please keep up the good entertainment.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
We can compare games all day, no ones going to convince one another. You think you're right, he thinks he's right, it's just going in a endless circle. No one here is trying to convince you that WoW is a horrible game either, nor is anyone in denial.
We just don't like WoW so we don't like this game compared to it, well some of us. Even if it's somewhat like WoW, so what? What are you trying to prove here? Alot of games have similarities with one another, if you don't like it, then don't play it, it's simple. Don't insult people for disagreeing with you, it's their opinion and you have your own.
I just don't understand why you're not in the WoW forums and why you're lingering here since from everything you write is so negative. These forums are for players that are interested in playing Aion or are going to be playing Aion, not for trolling/flaming those users.
It's funny that you should try and use that card when you called me a faggot and a noob in an earlier post (which is reportable FYI) and photoshopped a Blizzcon photo with my handle on it; now you're actually responding to my posts when you had posted that you wouldn't. Why should I take you seriously? Exactly. I don't take you seriously, so please keep up the good entertainment.
I'm not worried about it, we've both already been reported, seeing that both of our posts have been deleted. You don't need to take me seriously, i'm not asking you to nor do I care. I don't see any sense in us fighting but you seem to still hold a grudge. I only started insulting you because you started calling people/me retards and jackasses.
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
The new expansion will raise WoW's level cap to 85. But you are a little right, only thing is, Warhammer Online seemed like the real WoW clone, although it had different concepts, I think it was most boring because we had already spent 1000s of hours playing the same type of gameplay in WoW, so when Warhammer came around we just gave up after the scenarios started drying up.
But, I mean, you don't think Age of Conan failed? It lost 70% of its player base in a few months, same with Warhammer. Aion is so much different lol. Because, sinec Korean launch in 2008, the player base has been growing and growing. An MMO only fails if the world hates it, for Aion, the NA/ EU region might hate it but that doesn't mean it has failed just yet.
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
The new expansion will raise WoW's level cap to 85. But you are a little right, only thing is, Warhammer Online seemed like the real WoW clone, although it had different concepts, I think it was most boring because we had already spent 1000s of hours playing the same type of gameplay in WoW, so when Warhammer came around we just gave up after the scenarios started drying up.
But, I mean, you don't think Age of Conan failed? It lost 70% of its player base in a few months, same with Warhammer. Aion is so much different lol. Because, sinec Korean launch in 2008, the player base has been growing and growing. An MMO only fails if the world hates it, for Aion, the NA/ EU region might hate it but that doesn't mean it has failed just yet.
Look at Lineage II and Lineage.
Age of Conan was fail before it even came out, I still tried it because I leave no stone unturned....and guildies wanted in on it but atleast I can say i've played it and disliked it like everyone else.
Warhammer is in the same boat lol that game I will admit tried to copy WoW but made PvP the main thing but too bad PvP isn't where the money is. (I myself love open PvP)
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case. For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
The new expansion will raise WoW's level cap to 85. But you are a little right, only thing is, Warhammer Online seemed like the real WoW clone, although it had different concepts, I think it was most boring because we had already spent 1000s of hours playing the same type of gameplay in WoW, so when Warhammer came around we just gave up after the scenarios started drying up.
But, I mean, you don't think Age of Conan failed? It lost 70% of its player base in a few months, same with Warhammer. Aion is so much different lol. Because, sinec Korean launch in 2008, the player base has been growing and growing. An MMO only fails if the world hates it, for Aion, the NA/ EU region might hate it but that doesn't mean it has failed just yet.
Look at Lineage II and Lineage.
Age of Conan was fail before it even came out, I still tried it because I leave no stone unturned....and guildies wanted in on it but atleast I can say i've played it and disliked it like everyone else.
Warhammer is in the same boat lol that game I will admit tried to copy WoW but made PvP the main thing but too bad PvP isn't where the money is. (I myself love open PvP)
The subscriber base really proves everything, I think they really screwed up the endgame; otherwise, Age of Conan would have been moderate success.
Aion has a bit of PvP in it, so...that's where I'm at, there the fun, massive, PvP is.
The subscriber base really proves everything, I think they really screwed up the endgame; otherwise, Age of Conan would have been moderate success.
Aion has a bit of PvP in it, so...that's where I'm at, there the fun, massive, PvP is.
I played my Herald of Xotli to 80 and it was very sad doing sieges when they would literally lock out one or more parties out of the siege instance BEFORE it had even begun (that made quite a few people in my guild quit at the time) . When the sieges could actually take place, a lot of them bugged out where either the siege weapons couldn't do any damage, or people would disconnect during the siege, locking them out upon re-logging. Age of Conan's end-game was a complete disaster; I think if they had delayed sieges and instead implemented what they have now (PvP rewards from their bgs) and perhaps fleshed out the 30-80 content that the game could have held it's ground.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
The subscriber base really proves everything, I think they really screwed up the endgame; otherwise, Age of Conan would have been moderate success.
Aion has a bit of PvP in it, so...that's where I'm at, there the fun, massive, PvP is.
I played my Herald of Xotli to 80 and it was very sad doing sieges when they would literally lock out one or more parties out of the siege instance BEFORE it had even begun (that made quite a few people in my guild quit at the time) . When the sieges could actually take place, a lot of them bugged out where either the siege weapons couldn't do any damage, or people would disconnect during the siege, locking them out upon re-logging. Age of Conan's end-game was a complete disaster; I think if they had delayed sieges and instead implemented what they have now (PvP rewards from their bgs) and perhaps fleshed out the 30-80 content that the game could have held it's ground.
I have to completely agree with you there. And, most people are switching to Aion for it's PvP. It is definitely polished and a lot of people are admitting to that. The only thing is, people also say there's nothing new and leveling is boring...but, if that's the only issue to get to the endgame, why not?
As for Age of Conan, I went through all of those hours of grinding for nothing, a boring pathetic, endgame.
I played AOC at launch, played through tortage and thought "man this game is excellent everything is so fleshed out, its just wonderful." then I got out of tortage, and the world was barren, off in the distance I could see moutains made out of zeros and ones, all green and black.
"I played AOC at launch, played through tortage and thought "man this game is excellent everything is so fleshed out, its just wonderful." then I got out of tortage, and the world was barren, off in the distance I could see moutains made out of zeros and ones, all green and black."
Originally posted by Morgaren "I played AOC at launch, played through tortage and thought "man this game is excellent everything is so fleshed out, its just wonderful." then I got out of tortage, and the world was barren, off in the distance I could see moutains made out of zeros and ones, all green and black." Buahahahaha...
lol wow, that's exactly what Age of Conan was about.
I thought everyone was aware that this is nothing but a clone. Sure it is more of the same old crap with a ton more grinding then questing. It is a korean style mmo game. Yes, it is L2 with a little different style and some added new things. No, it is nothing new. No it will not beat WOW. No it will not last as long as WOW. But take it for what it is. Enjoy having something new for a month or two and move along to the next new thing. This is the same Fantasy crap they been spoon feeding us for years now. It is no COX or CO, or EVE...its just another fantasy clone for us to chew on until something new comes along. People will bitch and complain, others will love it. Let it be. Maybe it is for you, maybe it isn't. This fanboy attitude does noone any good because in the end, it will FAIL anyway...or maybe it will survive until blizzard feeds the masses the next best thing they come up with. Face it, WOW is the template to go by. I do not play WOW. Haven't for many years. Find it boring and not stimulating in any sense. Neither do I find this game. We are at the point that nothing new has come to us. We are playing clones of clones.
I for one find Champions Online a ton more refreshing then this same old fantasy crap. But I will not go campaigning for it. Why would I? The company does not pay me to do so, nor will they give me a month free. Why be a fanboy? nuff said.
I thought everyone was aware that this is nothing but a clone. Sure it is more of the same old crap with a ton more grinding then questing. It is a korean style mmo game. Yes, it is L2 with a little different style and some added new things. No, it is nothing new. No it will not beat WOW. No it will not last as long as WOW. But take it for what it is. Enjoy having something new for a month or two and move along to the next new thing. This is the same Fantasy crap they been spoon feeding us for years now. It is no COX or CO, or EVE...its just another fantasy clone for us to chew on until something new comes along. People will bitch and complain, others will love it. Let it be. Maybe it is for you, maybe it isn't. This fanboy attitude does noone any good because in the end, it will FAIL anyway...or maybe it will survive until blizzard feeds the masses the next best thing they come up with. Face it, WOW is the template to go by. I do not play WOW. Haven't for many years. Find it boring and not stimulating in any sense. Neither do I find this game. We are at the point that nothing new has come to us. We are playing clones of clones.
I for one find Champions Online a ton more refreshing then this same old fantasy crap. But I will not go campaigning for it. Why would I? The company does not pay me to do so, nor will they give me a month free. Why be a fanboy? nuff said.
Absolutely NO similarities there, I swear. Indeed.
I agree there are minor similarities. He was speaking of combat system , not class mechanics. From what I have played, Rogue from WoW and Assassin in Aion have MAJOR differences. Assassin seems to be a bit more difficult, but that's another thing all together. To begin with, Stealth, is in both games, that's the minor similarity. The major difference is the way it operates. Stealth in WoW continues to remain on the character until cancelled or you enter physical combat, you can also be seen by other players if you are not careful. Stealth in Aion seems to have a one minute cool down with with same break effects as WoWs, but it has a time limit so you can't remain in it for long periods of time, you are also undetecticable (as far as I noticed). The abilities even operate completly differently, there is no combo points in Aion either. The only things I noticed to be compariable were a few CC and stealth. Other then that, it's a whole new play style.
I can't really comment on others, only played assassin.
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mm he might say it the wrong way but i think i get what he try to say ,
in my view he means,if aion doesnt have a trump card and just release the game without any other incentive
we ll be exactly as we are now !the only difference will be in the name
instead of war it will be aion
kind of bad to release a game and see it end up like war
war is another good game but its not enough
GAME MAKER NEED TO REALISE A GOOD GAME ISNT GONA CUT I!
they need a trump card
You sir, need to stop posting assumptions. Shit's getting old.
Aion most likely will not end up like WAR in the least. A lot of the things that plagued WAR aren't even in Aion, if you want to know what really killed WAR, it was the profound amount of bugs and glitches with a PvP system that didn't add good end-game content. And what's up with this trump card crap? It doesn't NEED one, if you look at the trump card, it's the fact that there really aren't all that many new MMOs on the market (unless you take Champions Online into consideration) and THAT would be the trump card, if that's what you want to call it.
"IRL is a pretty upstanding MMO with thousands of classes, a lot of PvP and even some pretty unique emotes and titles you can acquire. Explore that world first, then we'll talk about this virtual one."
Of course not. We believe you. We really really do.
You know, I bet you would say the same thing about just about any fantasy MMO to get released post WoW. I've seen people here even go as far as to accuse Guild Wars of being a "wow-clone". I'm sure if there was an EQIII made, that too would be accused of being a "wow-clone".
Aion does borrow from a lot of games (note* every game does this, WoW especially), but if it's a clone of anything, it'd be a clone of Lineage 2. But guess what, they made lineage 2. It's basically Lineage 2 meets perfect world, with an adopted RvR system and combo system. None of these are WoW's innovation. What they borrowed from WoW is controls (smoothness of movement), and a quest driven progression system. However, only one of these cannot be tied back to MMOs pre-WoW (hint* it's not questing)
Honestly, a game finally comes out that meets the complaints of the last few games to get released, and a lot of you complain anyway. I guess if you look hard enough there's always something you can find to complain about.
On a side note, EQIII is supposedly in the works
See, here is the real problem with all the WoW IDIOTS. Now, these are the ones that WoW was their first MMO. They have no clue that pretty much all fantasy based mmo's have the same basic structures and classes and they are complaining because they think that the genre should change when in fact, it doesn't and hasn't and to be honest, probably never will. If it did, It would most likely be in a genre to itself. The part that I am finding funny is the ones that are coming in here and saying aion is nothing but a wow clone and then come back and say they have played all these other mmo's supposedly before WoW ever hit the market. If that was truely the case, then I think they are either A) simply trolling or
simply Lieing. We could add a C) to that but do we really want to involve hot pokers and rotten apple cores? Nah, I didnt think so.
Let me state this up front. I played WoW, I liked WoW, it was entertaining to a certain degree so its not like I am a WoW basher. The problem is when these idiots want to relate everything to wow and bash it because its not something completely new and innovative. they are simply ignorant to how fantasy based MMO's have been in the past and unfortunately they can not comprehend that this genre really isn't going to change in any huge meaningful way so they have to try and vent their frustrations and bash anything that comes out. Who knows how long it will take them to finally comprehend that all they have done is made ass's of themselves for all these years, but by then it will be to late because they will never want to admit they were wrong, so they will probably just continue to make themselves look like idiots till time ceases or Gore realizes that he needs to remove the stupid people from those series of tubes.
Kinda remind me of USA politition. Maybe wow kids that are aion bashers should become polititions, they be good at it
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I really doubt it's going to end up like warhammer simply because this game isn't inherently flawed like Warhammer is and the game has more available to it than Warhammer does. The engine seems to handle multiple players battling it out a hell of a lot better than the one being used in Warhammer. Aion has much more developed and involved crafting system than Warhammer and offers more value in the PvE department than Warhammer does. Also, much as I enjoyed them too when I played the scenario concept in Warhammer destroyed the RvR concept because it was so much easier to simply queue for those than bother with trying to do RvR. Plus, I could be mistaken because I haven't played to lvl 50 but it doesn't seem this game has the ridiculous level of cc abilities that Warhammer had that turned T4 into a comical mess. Aion has cc, no doubt, but not to the insane levels Warhammer did from what I've seen. The one thing this game could suffer from that plagued Warhammer is the merry go round effect that took place with capturing objectives and forts. I can't say yet one way or the other as to whether that will be a problem in this game yet.
Warhammer would have done really well if the game engine could actually handle the battles it was supposed to have and had more available to players besides the PvP aspect. I suppose anything is possible and it's a shame what happened with Warhammer because I had high hopes for that game but I just don't see this game going the same route.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Let me try this again so you can understand it. Everyone here already made the point that there are similarities and there are differences. No one needs to prove you wrong because your argument didn't hold any merit in the first place being that WoW itself stole previous ideas so therefore it's the pot calling the kettle black the only difference being that WoW is how many years older than Aion?? So if WoW was introducing a new spin on an old model and now it IS the old model, that means it's some pretty outdated stuff huh? Yeah Aion isn't recreating the wheel but if my choice is a set of racing low profile run flats or the old horse and carriage wheel that is WoW...that's a no brainer for me.
I love jackasses like you who think they know exactly what was going on WITHOUT reading the entire thread (or perhaps you just lack reading comprehension): I was making the point that Aion's combat is SIMILAR to WoW's; the person I had responded to (originally) had claimed it wasn't anything like WoW's combat, which is clearly false. I never said that WoW's combat was unique, or original, but that Aion PLAYS like WoW.
Anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a mage will be proficient with a sorcerer, anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a warlock will be proficient with a spirit master, WoW priest => cleric, rogue => assassin, ranger => hunter (albeit more loosely, since there is less micro involved with no pet): The combat is so similar that the play styles for those classes are identical. So how exactly ISN'T the combat like WoW's? So WoW wasn't unique; that just means you could pick other games with similar combat to compare Aion's with. Let me reiterate that the whole purpose was to point out that Aion has combat similar to WoW and any other games WoW has similar combat to (it's obviously transitive).
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Let me try this again so you can understand it. Everyone here already made the point that there are similarities and there are differences. No one needs to prove you wrong because your argument didn't hold any merit in the first place being that WoW itself stole previous ideas so therefore it's the pot calling the kettle black the only difference being that WoW is how many years older than Aion?? So if WoW was introducing a new spin on an old model and now it IS the old model, that means it's some pretty outdated stuff huh? Yeah Aion isn't recreating the wheel but if my choice is a set of racing low profile run flats or the old horse and carriage wheel that is WoW...that's a no brainer for me.
I love jackasses like you who think they know exactly what was going on WITHOUT reading the entire thread (or perhaps you just lack reading comprehension): I was making the point that Aion's combat is SIMILAR to WoW's; the person I had responded to (originally) had claimed it wasn't anything like WoW's combat, which is clearly false. I never said that WoW's combat was unique, or original, but that Aion PLAYS like WoW.
Anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a mage will be proficient with a sorcerer, anybody coming from WoW who is proficient with a warlock will be proficient with a spirit master, WoW priest => cleric, rogue => assassin, ranger => hunter (albeit more loosely, since there is less micro involved with no pet): The combat is so similar that the play styles for those classes are identical. So how exactly ISN'T the combat like WoW's? So WoW wasn't unique; that just means you could pick other games with similar combat to compare Aion's with. Let me reiterate that the whole purpose was to point out that Aion has combat similar to WoW and any other games WoW has similar combat to (it's obviously transitive).
I think I see the problem here.Aion plays like Aion. A person who has played a warrior,mage,necro,warlock,cleric,druid,shaman, etc... ever in ANY mmo will be able to play the same type class in Aion to a fair degree of success. Almost all of the classes play like their conterpart in almost all MMO's The difference is how aion puts their own spin on things to change it up and that is the way it does not compare to wow or any other mmo. The combat has its differences and that will make it play differently, but ultimately if you were good with a class in a previous MMO, you will be fine in aion once you learn their nuances. Your problem is YOU keep focusing on using WoW as an example and you really need to stop. Its not helping your case.
For Fantasy based MMO's there is only 1 class that I can think of that does not really have a counterpart in other MMO's and that is vanguards (I believe it was) Blood Mage? It was a combo of like 3 classes put together at a lesser level that required real skill to be able to play, As far as I can remember there is no other class that has ever been like that. So, please,you see my point? You really need to give it a rest.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
That's assuming that we play WoW. What if we don't?
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
We can compare games all day, no ones going to convince one another. You think you're right, he thinks he's right, it's just going in a endless circle. No one here is trying to convince you that WoW is a horrible game either, nor is anyone in denial.
We just don't like WoW so we don't like this game compared to it, well some of us. Even if it's somewhat like WoW, so what? What are you trying to prove here? Alot of games have similarities with one another, if you don't like it, then don't play it, it's simple. Don't insult people for disagreeing with you, it's their opinion and you have your own.
I just don't understand why you're not in the WoW forums and why you're lingering here since from everything you write is so negative. These forums are for players that are interested in playing Aion or are going to be playing Aion, not for trolling/flaming those users.
Then you won't go back to WoW.... heh.....
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
We can compare games all day, no ones going to convince one another. You think you're right, he thinks he's right, it's just going in a endless circle. No one here is trying to convince you that WoW is a horrible game either, nor is anyone in denial.
We just don't like WoW so we don't like this game compared to it, well some of us. Even if it's somewhat like WoW, so what? What are you trying to prove here? Alot of games have similarities with one another, if you don't like it, then don't play it, it's simple. Don't insult people for disagreeing with you, it's their opinion and you have your own.
I just don't understand why you're not in the WoW forums and why you're lingering here since from everything you write is so negative. These forums are for players that are interested in playing Aion or are going to be playing Aion, not for trolling/flaming those users.
It's funny that you should try and use that card when you called me a faggot and a noob in an earlier post (which is reportable FYI) and photoshopped a Blizzcon photo with my handle on it; now you're actually responding to my posts when you had posted that you wouldn't. Why should I take you seriously? Exactly. I don't take you seriously, so please keep up the good entertainment.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
We can compare games all day, no ones going to convince one another. You think you're right, he thinks he's right, it's just going in a endless circle. No one here is trying to convince you that WoW is a horrible game either, nor is anyone in denial.
We just don't like WoW so we don't like this game compared to it, well some of us. Even if it's somewhat like WoW, so what? What are you trying to prove here? Alot of games have similarities with one another, if you don't like it, then don't play it, it's simple. Don't insult people for disagreeing with you, it's their opinion and you have your own.
I just don't understand why you're not in the WoW forums and why you're lingering here since from everything you write is so negative. These forums are for players that are interested in playing Aion or are going to be playing Aion, not for trolling/flaming those users.
It's funny that you should try and use that card when you called me a faggot and a noob in an earlier post (which is reportable FYI) and photoshopped a Blizzcon photo with my handle on it; now you're actually responding to my posts when you had posted that you wouldn't. Why should I take you seriously? Exactly. I don't take you seriously, so please keep up the good entertainment.
I'm not worried about it, we've both already been reported, seeing that both of our posts have been deleted. You don't need to take me seriously, i'm not asking you to nor do I care. I don't see any sense in us fighting but you seem to still hold a grudge. I only started insulting you because you started calling people/me retards and jackasses.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
The new expansion will raise WoW's level cap to 85. But you are a little right, only thing is, Warhammer Online seemed like the real WoW clone, although it had different concepts, I think it was most boring because we had already spent 1000s of hours playing the same type of gameplay in WoW, so when Warhammer came around we just gave up after the scenarios started drying up.
But, I mean, you don't think Age of Conan failed? It lost 70% of its player base in a few months, same with Warhammer. Aion is so much different lol. Because, sinec Korean launch in 2008, the player base has been growing and growing. An MMO only fails if the world hates it, for Aion, the NA/ EU region might hate it but that doesn't mean it has failed just yet.
Look at Lineage II and Lineage.
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
The new expansion will raise WoW's level cap to 85. But you are a little right, only thing is, Warhammer Online seemed like the real WoW clone, although it had different concepts, I think it was most boring because we had already spent 1000s of hours playing the same type of gameplay in WoW, so when Warhammer came around we just gave up after the scenarios started drying up.
But, I mean, you don't think Age of Conan failed? It lost 70% of its player base in a few months, same with Warhammer. Aion is so much different lol. Because, sinec Korean launch in 2008, the player base has been growing and growing. An MMO only fails if the world hates it, for Aion, the NA/ EU region might hate it but that doesn't mean it has failed just yet.
Look at Lineage II and Lineage.
Age of Conan was fail before it even came out, I still tried it because I leave no stone unturned....and guildies wanted in on it but atleast I can say i've played it and disliked it like everyone else.
Warhammer is in the same boat lol that game I will admit tried to copy WoW but made PvP the main thing but too bad PvP isn't where the money is. (I myself love open PvP)
Nope, not at all actually. Proficiency in a rogue in WoW does not necessarily imply proficiency with an assassin in EQ2, the same holds for the AoC assassin as well and other "mirror" classes that still play a hell of a lot differently. There is no equivalent for the WoW druid for that matter in AoC, so even healing classes that played SOMEWHAT similar like Bearshaman are disparate enough to warrant a significantly different play style.
The problem isn't me using WoW as an example, but you kids getting all emotional over Aion being a lot like a popular game and trying to turn your faces the other way in denial. None of you will ever bully me into pretending that WoW is a horrible game and never existed, so I won't ever give it a rest.
Once we realized age of conan sucked, we went back to WoW, once we realized that Warhammer sucked, we went back to WoW, what if Star Wars The Old Republic and Aion sucks? We'll just go back to WoW, since WoW has the most updates.
I don't blame you, it's where you're more comfortable with, you have a level 80 character and it's a game you're more familiar with, why wouldn't you go back? Most people don't like new games and goes back to WoW because their expectations are too high, you say you want something different but when trying a new game, what you're really looking for is another WoW but more polished, but when the game doesn't meet your expectations, you call it a fail WoW clone.
I'm not saying you specifically but majority of the WoW fanbois out there.
The new expansion will raise WoW's level cap to 85. But you are a little right, only thing is, Warhammer Online seemed like the real WoW clone, although it had different concepts, I think it was most boring because we had already spent 1000s of hours playing the same type of gameplay in WoW, so when Warhammer came around we just gave up after the scenarios started drying up.
But, I mean, you don't think Age of Conan failed? It lost 70% of its player base in a few months, same with Warhammer. Aion is so much different lol. Because, sinec Korean launch in 2008, the player base has been growing and growing. An MMO only fails if the world hates it, for Aion, the NA/ EU region might hate it but that doesn't mean it has failed just yet.
Look at Lineage II and Lineage.
Age of Conan was fail before it even came out, I still tried it because I leave no stone unturned....and guildies wanted in on it but atleast I can say i've played it and disliked it like everyone else.
Warhammer is in the same boat lol that game I will admit tried to copy WoW but made PvP the main thing but too bad PvP isn't where the money is. (I myself love open PvP)
The subscriber base really proves everything, I think they really screwed up the endgame; otherwise, Age of Conan would have been moderate success.
Aion has a bit of PvP in it, so...that's where I'm at, there the fun, massive, PvP is.
The subscriber base really proves everything, I think they really screwed up the endgame; otherwise, Age of Conan would have been moderate success.
Aion has a bit of PvP in it, so...that's where I'm at, there the fun, massive, PvP is.
I played my Herald of Xotli to 80 and it was very sad doing sieges when they would literally lock out one or more parties out of the siege instance BEFORE it had even begun (that made quite a few people in my guild quit at the time) . When the sieges could actually take place, a lot of them bugged out where either the siege weapons couldn't do any damage, or people would disconnect during the siege, locking them out upon re-logging. Age of Conan's end-game was a complete disaster; I think if they had delayed sieges and instead implemented what they have now (PvP rewards from their bgs) and perhaps fleshed out the 30-80 content that the game could have held it's ground.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
The subscriber base really proves everything, I think they really screwed up the endgame; otherwise, Age of Conan would have been moderate success.
Aion has a bit of PvP in it, so...that's where I'm at, there the fun, massive, PvP is.
I played my Herald of Xotli to 80 and it was very sad doing sieges when they would literally lock out one or more parties out of the siege instance BEFORE it had even begun (that made quite a few people in my guild quit at the time) . When the sieges could actually take place, a lot of them bugged out where either the siege weapons couldn't do any damage, or people would disconnect during the siege, locking them out upon re-logging. Age of Conan's end-game was a complete disaster; I think if they had delayed sieges and instead implemented what they have now (PvP rewards from their bgs) and perhaps fleshed out the 30-80 content that the game could have held it's ground.
I have to completely agree with you there. And, most people are switching to Aion for it's PvP. It is definitely polished and a lot of people are admitting to that. The only thing is, people also say there's nothing new and leveling is boring...but, if that's the only issue to get to the endgame, why not?
As for Age of Conan, I went through all of those hours of grinding for nothing, a boring pathetic, endgame.
I played AOC at launch, played through tortage and thought "man this game is excellent everything is so fleshed out, its just wonderful." then I got out of tortage, and the world was barren, off in the distance I could see moutains made out of zeros and ones, all green and black.
My Thoughts on Content Locust
Originally posted by Morgaren
"I played AOC at launch, played through tortage and thought "man this game is excellent everything is so fleshed out, its just wonderful." then I got out of tortage, and the world was barren, off in the distance I could see moutains made out of zeros and ones, all green and black."
Buahahahaha...
lol wow, that's exactly what Age of Conan was about.
I thought everyone was aware that this is nothing but a clone. Sure it is more of the same old crap with a ton more grinding then questing. It is a korean style mmo game. Yes, it is L2 with a little different style and some added new things. No, it is nothing new. No it will not beat WOW. No it will not last as long as WOW. But take it for what it is. Enjoy having something new for a month or two and move along to the next new thing. This is the same Fantasy crap they been spoon feeding us for years now. It is no COX or CO, or EVE...its just another fantasy clone for us to chew on until something new comes along. People will bitch and complain, others will love it. Let it be. Maybe it is for you, maybe it isn't. This fanboy attitude does noone any good because in the end, it will FAIL anyway...or maybe it will survive until blizzard feeds the masses the next best thing they come up with. Face it, WOW is the template to go by. I do not play WOW. Haven't for many years. Find it boring and not stimulating in any sense. Neither do I find this game. We are at the point that nothing new has come to us. We are playing clones of clones.
I for one find Champions Online a ton more refreshing then this same old fantasy crap. But I will not go campaigning for it. Why would I? The company does not pay me to do so, nor will they give me a month free. Why be a fanboy? nuff said.
GTFO TROLL/WOW FANBOI
Play rogue, then assassin....
Absolutely NO similarities there, I swear. Indeed.
I agree there are minor similarities. He was speaking of combat system , not class mechanics. From what I have played, Rogue from WoW and Assassin in Aion have MAJOR differences. Assassin seems to be a bit more difficult, but that's another thing all together. To begin with, Stealth, is in both games, that's the minor similarity. The major difference is the way it operates. Stealth in WoW continues to remain on the character until cancelled or you enter physical combat, you can also be seen by other players if you are not careful. Stealth in Aion seems to have a one minute cool down with with same break effects as WoWs, but it has a time limit so you can't remain in it for long periods of time, you are also undetecticable (as far as I noticed). The abilities even operate completly differently, there is no combo points in Aion either. The only things I noticed to be compariable were a few CC and stealth. Other then that, it's a whole new play style.
I can't really comment on others, only played assassin.