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  • HarabeckHarabeck Member Posts: 616

    Consoles will be dead in another cycle or two. Within ten years your gaming, movie watching, and any other entertainment functions will be governed by a single computer providing the media for all of them. Consoles are going from specific to broad use, but computers can already do it all.

  • LansidLansid Member UncommonPosts: 1,097
    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Cephus404


    The issue is the console manufacturers who want to get paid extra for letting you have access to the Internet.  Nintendo doesn't do that, once you download their browser channel, you have free, unrestricted access to the net and can access anything out there.  You don't pay extra to play any online game.
    Maybe the problem is that M$ and Sony suck.

    Sony doesnt charge for internet and the PS3 has built in wireless, just bought one yesterday.  For the price of a good graphics card you can have the entire system.  There is a very good chance that STO will come to the PS3 and im looking forward to it.

    Yeah I see they're accepting closed beta applications! Where's the application for PS3's?

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  • LansidLansid Member UncommonPosts: 1,097
    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!


    The reasons why developers want to get away from PC gaming are two-fold: PCs do not have standardized hardware and piracy is easy. It's the opposite on consoles. It has nothing to do with control schemes or game ideas.

     

    Can you give an example of an MMO that has been affected by software piracy?

    lol so true

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  • cloudacvcloudacv Member UncommonPosts: 210

    if they started making mmos on consoles only id go on a killing rampage

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Harabeck


    Consoles will be dead in another cycle or two. Within ten years your gaming, movie watching, and any other entertainment functions will be governed by a single computer providing the media for all of them. Consoles are going from specific to broad use, but computers can already do it all.

    Consoles are already what you describe as coming within ten years. Gaming, movie watching and web browsing. They already do what your PC does the PS3 also has the bluray player. As for mmo gaming, my gaming PC is two years old and i havnt seen an MMO yet i couldnt run at the higher end of the graphics option. So for those saying consoles are behind on graphics it may be true for some single player games but not mmo's. PC's will not be killed by conoles as consoles are PC's.

  • HarabeckHarabeck Member Posts: 616
    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Harabeck


    Consoles will be dead in another cycle or two. Within ten years your gaming, movie watching, and any other entertainment functions will be governed by a single computer providing the media for all of them. Consoles are going from specific to broad use, but computers can already do it all.

    Consoles are already what you describe as coming within ten years. Gaming, movie watching and web browsing. They already do what your PC does the PS3 also has the bluray player. As for mmo gaming, my gaming PC is two years old and i havnt seen an MMO yet i couldnt run at the higher end of the graphics option. So for those saying consoles are behind on graphics it may be true for some single player games but not mmo's. PC's will not be killed by conoles as consoles are PC's.

    I didn't say anything about a graphics difference, that's irrelevant. There is a demand for consoles because they are simpler to use than PC's. But as PC's get easier to use, those who are technologically ignorant die out, and the new generations grows up knowing more about technology, the entire reason for consoles disappears. PC's are more powerful and flexible, more customizable. If you actually know what you're doing, a computer is more rewarding than a console. So as the consumer base gets more competent, and as consoles begin to expand their role, thus gaining many of the problems that PC's have, you will end up with two choices: A computer who's hardware and software is strictly governed by the company that made it and that can only play games made specifically for it, or a computer that you can customize in any way and play anything on.

    That, or we'll be streaming our games from servers onto computers with the power of netbooks.

    P.S. Price isn't an issue. Most households with a console have a PC as well. For the price of that console, you could upgrade the PC for gaming.

     

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Lansid

    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Cephus404


    The issue is the console manufacturers who want to get paid extra for letting you have access to the Internet.  Nintendo doesn't do that, once you download their browser channel, you have free, unrestricted access to the net and can access anything out there.  You don't pay extra to play any online game.
    Maybe the problem is that M$ and Sony suck.

    Sony doesnt charge for internet and the PS3 has built in wireless, just bought one yesterday.  For the price of a good graphics card you can have the entire system.  There is a very good chance that STO will come to the PS3 and im looking forward to it.

    Yeah I see they're accepting closed beta applications! Where's the application for PS3's?

    Dont worry it will be released for PC. :)  I just done see anything threatening to PC gamers about people playing MMO's on their consoles. I have a gaming PC myself but the nice thing about consoles is you dont have to be concerned about if your hardware is compatable with a given game. 

  • HarabeckHarabeck Member Posts: 616
    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Lansid

    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Cephus404


    The issue is the console manufacturers who want to get paid extra for letting you have access to the Internet.  Nintendo doesn't do that, once you download their browser channel, you have free, unrestricted access to the net and can access anything out there.  You don't pay extra to play any online game.
    Maybe the problem is that M$ and Sony suck.

    Sony doesnt charge for internet and the PS3 has built in wireless, just bought one yesterday.  For the price of a good graphics card you can have the entire system.  There is a very good chance that STO will come to the PS3 and im looking forward to it.

    Yeah I see they're accepting closed beta applications! Where's the application for PS3's?

    Dont worry it will be released for PC. :)  I just done see anything threatening to PC gamers about people playing MMO's on their consoles. I have a gaming PC myself but the nice thing about consoles is you dont have to be concerned about if your hardware is compatable with a given game. 

    I hardly ever have to worry about whether my hardware is compatible with a given game. The last time I had trouble was with Fallout 3, 20 minutes on the forums and the problem was solved. These days, even console games can have game breaking glitches, and they're harder to fix.

    I do have an older computer that has problems with some of the very latest games, but it's so old it has an nvidia 6800.

  • InzraInzra Member Posts: 679

    As long as you can use a computer for more stuff than you can with a console that isn't likely to happen.

    The computer is just more flexible.

  • LansidLansid Member UncommonPosts: 1,097
    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Harabeck


    Consoles will be dead in another cycle or two. Within ten years your gaming, movie watching, and any other entertainment functions will be governed by a single computer providing the media for all of them. Consoles are going from specific to broad use, but computers can already do it all.

    Consoles are already what you describe as coming within ten years. Gaming, movie watching and web browsing. They already do what your PC does the PS3 also has the bluray player. As for mmo gaming, my gaming PC is two years old and i havnt seen an MMO yet i couldnt run at the higher end of the graphics option. So for those saying consoles are behind on graphics it may be true for some single player games but not mmo's. PC's will not be killed by conoles as consoles are PC's.

    So the PS3 comes with a blueray player... does the Xbox360?

    Can a PS3 play Xbox360 games? Visa Versa?

    Do Consoles use USB ports compared to their "UNIQUE DESIGN" of ports, plugs and peripherals?

    Can you upgrade your consoles like your PC's?

    Are you currently viewing this webpage and replying to it with a console... or a PC...?

    The technology has been here for years, but no one is caring to adapt to it, so long as people are buying 4 extra joysticks, wireless adapters, hard drives, and seperate subscription crap just to use THEIR specific items... there's no reason for them to blend with PC's at all.

    But it doesn't hurt to dream... I didn't want to be here... typing to people in this forum. I wanted to be... A LION TAMER!

     

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  • spookydomspookydom Member UncommonPosts: 1,782

    Key mapping would be a bitch. I think for want of a better word, current mmo's are much more comfortable on a pc, and convienient. setting your own soundrack up for a long grind or dungeon crawl, beeing able to flick to google quickly for tips or tactics. beeing able to download porn at the same time......ummm scratch that last coment.....Anyway, just think that mmo's are made for pc's.....however, my mind is open to the posibilty of that changing. But not with the current generation of consoles.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Lansid

    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Harabeck


    Consoles will be dead in another cycle or two. Within ten years your gaming, movie watching, and any other entertainment functions will be governed by a single computer providing the media for all of them. Consoles are going from specific to broad use, but computers can already do it all.

    Consoles are already what you describe as coming within ten years. Gaming, movie watching and web browsing. They already do what your PC does the PS3 also has the bluray player. As for mmo gaming, my gaming PC is two years old and i havnt seen an MMO yet i couldnt run at the higher end of the graphics option. So for those saying consoles are behind on graphics it may be true for some single player games but not mmo's. PC's will not be killed by conoles as consoles are PC's.

    So the PS3 comes with a blueray player... does the Xbox360?

    Can a PS3 play Xbox360 games? Visa Versa?

    Do Consoles use USB ports compared to their "UNIQUE DESIGN" of ports, plugs and peripherals?

    Can you upgrade your consoles like your PC's?

    Are you currently viewing this webpage and replying to it with a console... or a PC...?

    The technology has been here for years, but no one is caring to adapt to it, so long as people are buying 4 extra joysticks, wireless adapters, hard drives, and seperate subscription crap just to use THEIR specific items... there's no reason for them to blend with PC's at all.

    But it doesn't hurt to dream... I didn't want to be here... typing to people in this forum. I wanted to be... A LION TAMER!

     

    My PS3 has two usb ports and upgraded when i first started it up. It also upgraded Half Life 2 when i loaded the Orange Box. No the 360 doesnt have bluray but that is one of many reasons i chose a PS3.  Im using a laptop to reply to your messages yes, when i want to game i will go to the PS3. My gaming rig and PS3 are both offline right now :)

    Edit: Wireless is built in to the PS3, it has a 120 gig hard drive. Just thought i would add that to answer you more fully.

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Member UncommonPosts: 2,662

    Funny, then.......

    • I guess I should ditch my dvd player and watch all my movies on the PC.
    • I guess I should ditch my landline and use ventrillo for all my at home conversations.
    • I guess I should ditch my TVs and watch all my programs on the PC.
    • I guess I should ditch my CD/MP3 player and listen to all my music on the PC.

     

    I got news for you guys, they say 44.1% to 61% of PC users play games on their PCs and 30.4% of those players enjoy RPGs. But guess what? 100% of console users play games on their consoles. So no, consoles are not going anywhere.

    • 3 out of 3 7th generation consoles has the ability to play online
    • 2 out of 3 offer it as a free service
    • 2 out of 3 have upgradable hard drives and 1 out of 3 uses standard laptop hard drives for upgrading.
    • 3 out of 3 have USB support that accept anything a PC does with one (keyboards, mouse, jump drives)
    • 3 out of 3 had their graphic processor custom made by either ATi or nVidia
    • 2 out of 3 have built in functions to support voice chat
    • 3 out of 3 have wireless controllers
    • 1 out of 3 has blueray drive
    • 2 out of 3 can be configured to access home networks and share media files.
    • 2 out of 3 support 1080p

    So it's only a matter of time before MMOs make a future out of developing on consoles. For everything you task a PC to do, it eats away at it's power to run your games. Sort of like jack of all trades and master of none. But consoles have focused on providing gaming entertainment from day one as it's top priority. So they add features to support their number one priority first and then everything else.

     

    I for one can't wait until MMOs start their cycle on consoles. Like the OP said, with consoles you can look forward to faster combat, optimized gameplay with intergrated voicechat( bye-bye lag spikes), unified hardware configs to provide solid framerates and and stability, at least 5-10 years worth of support (average lifespan of a console these days), the ability to play on 50+ inches of HD gaming glory and virtually hack/bot free gameplay because of the close ended nature of console designs.

     

    Plus 100% of your consoles power will be focused on gaming and gaming only at a given time. I love my PC mine you, but it's more like my HQ and my consoles are like my mobile camps.

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  • Jackio81Jackio81 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 418

    Umm...?

     

    You do know the PC is eventually going to win the console wars right?

    It's inevitable...0o

  • FikusOfAhaziFikusOfAhazi Member Posts: 1,835
    Originally posted by Jackio81


    Umm...?
     
    You do know the PC is eventually going to win the console wars right?
    It's inevitable...0o



     

    Yup. Nintendo proved it.

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  • AntariousAntarious Member UncommonPosts: 2,846

    If the future of MMO's was consoles that would be fine.  I would never play another MMO...

     

    The future of MMO's is already pretty much been a design I never wanted to pay for.

     

    So at this point I don't even think it would be a big deal to me.. just not something I would ever pay to be part of.

  • SignoreSignore Member Posts: 127

    Erm just no... This is why:

     

    How would I multi task with my multiple screens?

    How would I fix my vision from the horrid resolutions of Console

    How would I cope with the lack of graphically intense games due to consoles handicap of capacity

     

    .... There is a reason you spend 500$ on a console vs 2000$ on a good computer... the computer would tear the console limb from limb in all angles.

     

    The only thing keeping me to MMO's right now is the beacon of hope which is FFXiV which from my experience doesn't follow the demands and fads and I don't think will be cookie cutter like the rest..... and from what I've seen its anything but that... the class system is just... wow =)

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  • Plasuma!!!Plasuma!!! Member Posts: 1,872
    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!


    The reasons why developers want to get away from PC gaming are two-fold: PCs do not have standardized hardware and piracy is easy. It's the opposite on consoles. It has nothing to do with control schemes or game ideas.

     

    Can you give an example of an MMO that has been affected by software piracy?

     

    MMORPGs aren't affected by piracy (neither are Steam games or any online game), that wasn't the point of my post. The OP was hinting that consoles were superior to the PC platform due to control schemes and comparatively better game designs. I disagreed.

    However, moving an MMORPG to a console would probably reduce hacking issues (which is a big deal, and can be called reason #3), because invasive 3rd party programs aren't as easy to use on consoles as they are on PC. Still not my point anyways.

    My point is this: developers WANT to move to consoles because the hardware is easier to develop for and piracy isn't as rampant. Developers in general (it was left unspecified). This means all developers. Not just for MMORPGs.

    MMORPG developers would want to move to consoles on 2 of the 3 issues: hacking and hardware compatibility. All other developers have all three reasons.

     

    Quoting out of context without reading the whole post leads to problems. Way to miss the point.

  • Plasuma!!!Plasuma!!! Member Posts: 1,872
    Originally posted by Ramonski7


    Funny, then.......

    I guess I should ditch my dvd player and watch all my movies on the PC.
    I guess I should ditch my landline and use ventrillo for all my at home conversations.
    I guess I should ditch my TVs and watch all my programs on the PC.
    I guess I should ditch my CD/MP3 player and listen to all my music on the PC.

     
    I got news for you guys, they say 44.1% to 61% of PC users play games on their PCs and 30.4% of those players enjoy RPGs. But guess what? 100% of console users play games on their consoles. So no, consoles are not going anywhere.

    3 out of 3 7th generation consoles has the ability to play online
    2 out of 3 offer it as a free service
    2 out of 3 have upgradable hard drives and 1 out of 3 uses standard laptop hard drives for upgrading.
    3 out of 3 have USB support that accept anything a PC does with one (keyboards, mouse, jump drives)
    3 out of 3 had their graphic processor custom made by either ATi or nVidia
    2 out of 3 have built in functions to support voice chat
    3 out of 3 have wireless controllers
    1 out of 3 has blueray drive
    2 out of 3 can be configured to access home networks and share media files.
    2 out of 3 support 1080p

    So it's only a matter of time before MMOs make a future out of developing on consoles. For everything you task a PC to do, it eats away at it's power to run your games. Sort of like jack of all trades and master of none. But consoles have focused on providing gaming entertainment from day one as it's top priority. So they add features to support their number one priority first and then everything else.
     
    I for one can't wait until MMOs start their cycle on consoles. Like the OP said, with consoles you can look forward to faster combat, optimized gameplay with intergrated voicechat( bye-bye lag spikes), unified hardware configs to provide solid framerates and and stability, at least 5-10 years worth of support (average lifespan of a console these days), the ability to play on 50+ inches of HD gaming glory and virtually hack/bot free gameplay because of the close ended nature of console designs.
     
    Plus 100% of your consoles power will be focused on gaming and gaming only at a given time. I love my PC mine you, but it's more like my HQ and my consoles are like my mobile camps.

     

    It would be helpful to know how many people own consoles.

    Compared to how many people own computers, it is probably around 40% to 70% (somewhere in there), including those who have both PCs and consoles. So saying that 40% to 60% of PC owners play games on their machines is pretty much just saying that they're in the same ballpark.

    If you spread out consoles between manufacturers (for reason of exclusivity of games), the figures would favor PCs as the prime game development platform, since there are more users of  "generic game-ready" PCs than there are of Xbox 360s, PS3s, or Wiis individually.

     

    It really doesn't matter much at the end of the day what the statistics are. You didn't look at statistics when you bought your TV, DVD player, phone line, or whatever. You bought those because you thought you wanted or needed them for the convenience.

  • thinktank001thinktank001 Member UncommonPosts: 2,144

    Consoles will never go away until it becomes common for people to play their games in front of the tv from their couch/chair.

  • ericbelserericbelser Member Posts: 783

    Something else you may have missed....many of us have high end PCs for a variety of other reasons that aren't going away: work, hobbies, personal productivity, school work etc...

    Until and unless you give me a console that is effectively identical in capability to a PC (by which point, wtf is the difference?) or I will always have a reason to use a PC....and since I (and many others) aren't going to spring for a console for gaming only on top of a PC for everything else...their will always be a PC game market...so dream on :)

     

  • LansidLansid Member UncommonPosts: 1,097
    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Plasuma!!!


    The reasons why developers want to get away from PC gaming are two-fold: PCs do not have standardized hardware and piracy is easy. It's the opposite on consoles. It has nothing to do with control schemes or game ideas.

     

    Can you give an example of an MMO that has been affected by software piracy?

     

    MMORPGs aren't affected by piracy (neither are Steam games or any online game), that wasn't the point of my post. The OP was hinting that consoles were superior to the PC platform due to control schemes and comparatively better game designs. I disagreed.

    However, moving an MMORPG to a console would probably reduce hacking issues (which is a big deal, and can be called reason #3), because invasive 3rd party programs aren't as easy to use on consoles as they are on PC. Still not my point anyways.

    My point is this: developers WANT to move to consoles because the hardware is easier to develop for and piracy isn't as rampant. Developers in general (it was left unspecified). This means all developers. Not just for MMORPGs.

    MMORPG developers would want to move to consoles on 2 of the 3 issues: hacking and hardware compatibility. All other developers have all three reasons.

     

    Quoting out of context without reading the whole post leads to problems. Way to miss the point.

    ... Your logic is flawed. So long as there is a hard drive/flash drive involved... people can hack. People can mod hardware.

    Can't hack a console game eh... Ever heard of GAME GENIE??? That was even back in NINTENDO days... you know, before consoles HAD hard drives.

    Consoles are outdated as soon as they are rushed into the market 3/4 functional and prone to die whenever. You can not upgrade a console system like you can a PC. Like I've been saying... the technology IS HERE. EverQuest Online Adventures: Frontiers has been running since 2003. Here's from wikipedia, "EQOA was developed and published by Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) and first released on February 11, 2003. A second edition, EverQuest Online Adventures: Frontiers, was launched later that year and replaced the original. A third expansion was in the works, but was cancelled due to 'lack of interest of the original game." I'll be damned... lack of interest. I wonder why.

    So folks who are so interested in the "future of console MMO gaming"... did you play EQ, PSO, or FFXI on a console? Still playing it?

    But the mooooost important aspect of it all...

    What do developers use to MAKE these games... PC's or Consoles?

    As long as the hardware in consoles are restricted, consoles will not excel with the MMO market.

     

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  • Pcgamer81Pcgamer81 Member Posts: 186

    i don't want all mmo's on console maybe few like FFXI was or DC universe. i like the option of having pc or console to be honest.

  • Tyvolus1Tyvolus1 Member Posts: 815

    consoles are trying deperately to be just like PCs -- which begs the question -- why not just by a PC -- heck I still have games from the 90s that run on my PC -- thats a vista rig -- try asking someone if their PS or Wii can run games they bought in the 90s.  PS3 failed because people refused to pay PC prices for a console -- consoles traditionally have done so well in part, because they are so cheap -- but in trying to make the PS3 more like a PC then a console, Sony turned its console customers away because of the price.  Consoles have hard drives, graphics cards, internet connection cd/dvd drives -- in order to stay relevant they have had to become cheap versions of hi end gaming pcs -- and again, why not just buy a pc.

  • HarabeckHarabeck Member Posts: 616
    Originally posted by Ramonski7


    Funny, then.......

    I guess I should ditch my dvd player and watch all my movies on the PC.
    I guess I should ditch my landline and use ventrillo for all my at home conversations.
    I guess I should ditch my TVs and watch all my programs on the PC.
    I guess I should ditch my CD/MP3 player and listen to all my music on the PC.

    You could right now if you wanted, and you will in the future.
     
    I got news for you guys, they say 44.1% to 61% of PC users play games on their PCs and 30.4% of those players enjoy RPGs. But guess what? 100% of console users play games on their consoles. So no, consoles are not going anywhere.
    LOL. Logic fail. 100% of consoles users play games only because that is their primary purpose. Computers can handle many other tasks so they are also used for other things.

    3 out of 3 7th generation consoles has the ability to play online
    2 out of 3 offer it as a free service
    2 out of 3 have upgradable hard drives and 1 out of 3 uses standard laptop hard drives for upgrading.
    3 out of 3 have USB support that accept anything a PC does with one (keyboards, mouse, jump drives)
    3 out of 3 had their graphic processor custom made by either ATi or nVidia
    2 out of 3 have built in functions to support voice chat
    3 out of 3 have wireless controllers
    1 out of 3 has blueray drive
    2 out of 3 can be configured to access home networks and share media files.
    2 out of 3 support 1080p

    All of this is irrelevant, consoles are always playing catch up to home computers. In the end, you'll end up with two almost identical machines. Except, for consoles you can't change any of the hardware and are limited by what software you can change on it, and what games are available. And on a PC, you can customize and change any of the software, settings, hardware, and at the point in time we're talking about, you'll have more options of what to play.
    So it's only a matter of time before MMOs make a future out of developing on consoles. For everything you task a PC to do, it eats away at it's power to run your games. Sort of like jack of all trades and master of none. But consoles have focused on providing gaming entertainment from day one as it's top priority. So they add features to support their number one priority first and then everything else.
     
    I for one can't wait until MMOs start their cycle on consoles. Like the OP said, with consoles you can look forward to faster combat(This has nothing specifically to do with consoles vs computers, just the way the mmo's are made.), optimized gameplay(Again, nothing to do with consoles vs computers) with intergrated voicechat( bye-bye lag spikes)(MMO's on PC can have integrated voice chat, some do already, and if your connection can't handle the needed bandwidth on one platform, it can't handle it on the other), unified hardware configs to provide solid framerates and and stability(You're kidding yourself here, if a gaming rig can't handle a huge MMO battle without fps loss, neither can a console), at least 5-10 years worth of support (average lifespan of a console these days)(Again, irrelevant. If the game lives, it has support, if it dies, it won't be supported. That will be true for console or PC), the ability to play on 50+ inches of HD gaming glory(That's perfectly possible with a PC right now, just get the right cable) and virtually hack/bot free gameplay because of the close ended nature of console designs(AAA games on PC are already pretty much hack/bot free. Also, as consoles become more like PC's, they'll take on more of their weaknesses.).
     
     
    Plus 100% of your consoles power will be focused on gaming and gaming only at a given time. I love my PC mine you, but it's more like my HQ and my consoles are like my mobile camps.

     

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