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General: DUST 514: Speaking to Player Concerns

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  • uttausuttaus Member Posts: 120

    Why console? Maybe if all those console players find the world of EVE interesting and a portion of those players decide to explore the core game. That translates to more subs.

    A console game will expose a whole other demographic the world of EVE.

    Good thing bad thing? I have no opinion on that.

     

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  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    What we're basically talking about here:
    CCP is marketing a large project towards the console crowd, most of whom probably don't even know about EVE. Nearly the complete opposite of the EVE player-base.
    Then, somehow, they're going to blend the two together somehow.. and the EVE players are going to like this, why?
    Let's face it, EVE players are historically known for being the epitome of the anti-WoW, anti-console crowd. So I don't understand why it's CCP making the jump, let alone trying to blend the game into EVE as well.
    Just doesn't make sense.
    If the announcement was, "Blizzard is making a console-only game with spaceship combat over Azeroth. The game will be blended in with World of Warcraft and the players of the space game can interact with the players of WoW to some degree." <-- I would have shrugged it off and figured it was expected at some point. After all, they're basically marketing to the same crowd, majority-wise.
    .. but for CCP and EVE.. I wouldn't have Ever expected it.



     

    this game isnt a expansion for eve, it isnt meant for every single eve player to experience. It's meant for a whole different crowd of players they can introduce to the eve universe. It's been said before in half the other dust threads that had people complaining.

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  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715

    I'm well aware it's not an expansion, let alone something "for" EVE. I never said this in any of my posts.

    They said it's going to "tie in" with EVE somehow and players might be able to interact with one another. Who knows what they really have planned content-wise.

    You knew well enough what I was talking about, stop being a troll. The insults and broad-generalization of the whole topic isn't needed.

  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    I'm well aware it's not an expansion, let alone something "for" EVE. I never said this in any of my posts.
    They said it's going to "tie in" with EVE somehow and players might be able to interact with one another. Who knows what they really have planned content-wise.
    You knew well enough what I was talking about, stop being a troll. The insults and broad-generalization of the whole topic isn't needed.



     

    "Let's face it, EVE players are historically known for being the epitome of the anti-WoW, anti-console crowd. So I don't understand why it's CCP making the jump, let alone trying to blend the game into EVE as well."

    then why do you keep making posts that imply EVE players are going to be the only players? You're either upset that DUST will affect eve, or you're upset that it isnt on the pc so existing EVE players cant play it. I cant figure out which.

     Also you make it sound like DUST and EVE players are going to be talking with eachother every time you log on.... It's 2 different games, do you even play eve? This is not only just a second game but a change to EVE Sovereignty mechanics. Something that is really needed.

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  • OmrieOmrie Member UncommonPosts: 116

    Think it will be on the Xbox console only~?

  • Lathian-1701Lathian-1701 Member Posts: 4

    I really wish consoles would disappear.  The reason they alway's do a port from console to PC is because of the mutability of the PC.  Trying to port a PC game to a console would be a nightmare.

    If you are going to do an MMO, focus on the PC and leave the consoles out of it.  I will be very surprised if they manage to make the console part of it work.  In the end it will probably be just a wannabe shooter game that doesn't do much of anything for Eve.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806
    Originally posted by tvalentine

    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    What does being an "untapped market" have to do with anything? We're talking about the quality of an MMO here, not the "market success".
    There have been all kinds of console MMO-esque games. I can't think of them all, but for starters:
    Phantasy Star Online

    EverQuest Online Adventures

    Final Fantasy



     

    those are MMOs ... Dust is a FPS..... the rest of your post is just PC gamer elitest talk that is so biased i would be wasting my time pointing out how wrong you are. FPSes can and are very successfull on consoles, Halo, Killzone, Rainbow six to name a few have sold millions upon millions of copies. Quit crying because your PC isnt allowed to install every game thats ever going to be released.

     

    Exactly. Its all about the numbers. Those that shrug off the phrase "untapped market" are demonstrating that they understand little of the market dynamics at work.  I suspect CCP is at least a little tired of being limited to a niche market. Lets face it, as good as Eve is, there is a rather limited audience for it.  Given a good game, access to the console market could be VERY profitable. All too many people forget that this entire activity when all is said and done is about making a *profit*.  I'm willing to wait and see how this turns out. As always, I wish CCP only the best. They are some very talented and intelligent people.

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  • kazmokazmo Member Posts: 715

    I'm shrugging it off because I'm not a market investor. I'm a player of games, not a financial executive. I suspect everyone else on these forums is also just a player of games, yes?

    What I'm tired of, is people assuming they know about "market dynamics" simply because they go with the flow of subscribers in a MMO.

    I wish the best to CCP as well. The point I was trying to make is that CCP is doing it. Of all the companies that could be making an FPS shooter, that will supposedly tie into a MMO, I wouldn't have expected CCP to try, it's just odd.

    Oh, but I suppose if I so much as question the reality of the situation, then I "know little of market dynamics." lol

    Super Smash Bros. Brawl was amazingly successful. Success=Great game.. ?

  • Cameron27Cameron27 Member Posts: 142

    To quote CCP panel at Fanfest... "we're taking the mmo to console and we're going to show those guys how to do this kind of fucking shit"

    Gotta love drunken devs

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  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    I'm shrugging it off because I'm not a market investor. I'm a player of games, not a financial executive. I suspect everyone else on these forums is also just a player of games, yes?
    What I'm tired of, is people assuming they know about "market dynamics" simply because they go with the flow of subscribers in a MMO.
    I wish the best to CCP as well. The point I was trying to make is that CCP is doing it. Of all the companies that could be making an FPS shooter, that will supposedly tie into a MMO, I wouldn't have expected CCP to try, it's just odd.
    Oh, but I suppose if I so much as question the reality of the situation, then I "know little of market dynamics." lol
    Super Smash Bros. Brawl was amazingly successful. Success=Great game.. ?

     

    Success is measured differently by different people.  But I doubt you would find many game companies that wouldn't want to trade places with Blizzard in terms of WoW subscribers... The phrase "market dynamics" is properly applied to analysis of the variables involved in a given market sector.  Its a quite common phrase from the field of economics.  Personally, I find console FPS games to be too restricted in comparison to PC FPS titles.  But then all of my personal skills and experience are in PC FPS games.  I suspect that CCP is looking at the profit potential available in the console market, and the fact that "hacking" consoles is inherently more difficult. Note I did NOT say impossible. It just requires a different set of skills and hardware.  But those aren't nearly as wide spread as those for PC's are.  Bottom line, lets see how this works out. Its at least a year or two away in any event.

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  • schawoschawo Member Posts: 135

    I can't understand ppl complaining about porting a PC game to console and vice versa. This is a new game developed for console, not the EVE ported on console, LOL. Complaining, that consoles have limited hardware capabilities for large maps and large scale combat? I think CCP is much aware of the console hardware, and if they are developing a game with these specs, they will do that, and prove, that it is in fact capable.

     

    I was one, as an EVE player, who argued against the console only setup, but since EVE will get a new mini-game in conjunction with DUST (the planetary simcity), and the FPS wont affect the current sov system, but the new planetary one, I am pleased with DUST being only for consoles. If I want to play the FPS I will buy a PS3.

  • Yoottos'HorgYoottos'Horg Member UncommonPosts: 297
    Originally posted by Cameron27


    To quote CCP panel at Fanfest... "we're taking the mmo to console and we're going to show those guys how to do this kind of fucking shit"
    Gotta love drunken devs



     

    I laughed at that part. I'm sorry, but any development team which has people who get drunk and talk about innovation and showing people how to do "this kind of fucking shit" deserves my subscription fee. Nothing like a drunken nerd to loosen my wallet! :)

  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    Originally posted by Cameron27


    To quote CCP panel at Fanfest... "we're taking the mmo to console and we're going to show those guys how to do this kind of fucking shit"
    Gotta love drunken devs



     

    LOL i hope they do.... with DUST and MAG coming out, i'm sure it will show people consoles arent just for small maps and small numbers..... With how powerful hardware is nowadays i'm surprised anyone questions it.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,464

    So you are flying along in your dinky little Adventurer Spaceship (tm) and some guy who has bought an Imperial Battle Cruiser passes overhead and one shots you with his Uber Lazer Cannon of the Ultra Rich.

    No thanks.

  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    Originally posted by Scot


    So you are flying along in your dinky little Adventurer Spaceship (tm) and some guy who has bought an Imperial Battle Cruiser passes overhead and one shots you with his Uber Lazer Cannon of the Ultra Rich.
    No thanks.



     

    http://club-bear.com/videos/ watch and learn.

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  • PonicoPonico Member UncommonPosts: 650
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    I'm shrugging it off because I'm not a market investor. I'm a player of games, not a financial executive. I suspect everyone else on these forums is also just a player of games, yes?
    What I'm tired of, is people assuming they know about "market dynamics" simply because they go with the flow of subscribers in a MMO.
    I wish the best to CCP as well. The point I was trying to make is that CCP is doing it. Of all the companies that could be making an FPS shooter, that will supposedly tie into a MMO, I wouldn't have expected CCP to try, it's just odd.
    Oh, but I suppose if I so much as question the reality of the situation, then I "know little of market dynamics." lol
    Super Smash Bros. Brawl was amazingly successful. Success=Great game.. ?

     

    I don’t know much about market dynamics but I can tell you this as someoen with a certain amount of knowledge and experience; making a game for console is often an easier task.

    You don’t have to make a game that has to try to work on every single PC setup on the planet. It’s PS3 and 360, nothing else. We all know that WII will never get a release.

    This means, balanced gameplay on more fronts then on PC.

    I might actually give in and buy a console just for this game, I greatly support CCP.

     

    my only concern is that consoles are still not pare with a PC.

     

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  • uttausuttaus Member Posts: 120

    EVE is the heart of CCP they will always take care of thier core game. That said I seem to recall a video where a dev was saying they want Eve  to be more than a space sim. They want it to be a BRAND.

    They want people see EVE as a whole universe. One where  if you want a to play Space Sim you can, if you want to play a RTS you can, If you want to play a FPS you can.

    The idea is an admirable one. It is one that will take a long time and a serious commitment, which I believe CCP has shown that commitment. There will be growing pains and they know this. They also know to take baby steps, like only developing the game on one platform till they get it done right. I would bet eventually if it can be done right they will move Dust to PC.

    Rest assured CCP will take care of its core, so don't be so afraid of inovation and growth, especially when the growth could bring such beneficial returns in the long run .

     

     

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  • RuynRuyn Member Posts: 1,052

    A lot of people are complaining about it going to the console only.  Let me state just facts and remain as unbiased as I can:

     

    1) A release to console only, of a totally new game for CCP, opens up a whole new market.

    2) It enhances the gameplay for players of EvE for free (minus the subscription fee).

    3) Pioneer a new trend of console and PC MMO interactivity

    The only negative thing that happens in all of this is that EVE players who want to play Dust 514 will have to buy a console.  A lot of EVE players will:

    A) Buy Dust 514 since they already have a console. (guess is this is a medium to high percentage)

    B) Buy a console and buy Dust 514. (guess is this is a low percentage)

    C) Not buy a game or console and continue to play EVE with the enhanced gameplay. (guess is this is a medium percentage)

    D) Quit EVE and curse CCP (small fractional percentage)

     

    Agree or disagree?

  • metalhead980metalhead980 Member Posts: 2,658
    Originally posted by Ruyn


    A lot of people are complaining about it going to the console only.  Let me state just facts:
     
    1) A release to console only, of a totally new game for CCP, opens up a whole new market.
    2) It enhances the gameplay for players of EvE for free (minus the subscription fee).
    3) Pioneer a new trend of console and PC MMO interactivity
    The only negative thing that happens in all of this is that EVE players who want to play Dust 514 will have to buy a console.  A lot of EVE players will:
    A) Buy Dust 514 since they already have a console. (guess is this is a high percentage)
    B) Buy a console and buy Dust 514. (guess is this is a low percentage)
    C) Not buy a game or console and continue to play EVE with the enhanced gameplay. (guess is this is a medium percentage)
    D) Quit EVE and curse CCP (small fractional percentage)
     
    Agree or disagree?

    I agree.

    I would also like to state that if it wasn't for the PC cheaters! CCP would release it for PC.

    But no these cheating bastids use aimbot and other hacks to get an advantage. That is the sole reason CCP wont release Dust on PC.

    Dust will be mostly client side, we all know what happens on PC it gets hacked the f**k up.

    Gratz that 5-10% of fps players that use those hacks ruined it for Pc only gamers, get upset at them not CCP.

    I own both a Ps3 and 360 so im golden :)

     

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  • RuynRuyn Member Posts: 1,052
    Originally posted by metalhead980

    Originally posted by Ruyn


    A lot of people are complaining about it going to the console only.  Let me state just facts:
     
    1) A release to console only, of a totally new game for CCP, opens up a whole new market.
    2) It enhances the gameplay for players of EvE for free (minus the subscription fee).
    3) Pioneer a new trend of console and PC MMO interactivity
    The only negative thing that happens in all of this is that EVE players who want to play Dust 514 will have to buy a console.  A lot of EVE players will:
    A) Buy Dust 514 since they already have a console. (guess is this is a high percentage)
    B) Buy a console and buy Dust 514. (guess is this is a low percentage)
    C) Not buy a game or console and continue to play EVE with the enhanced gameplay. (guess is this is a medium percentage)
    D) Quit EVE and curse CCP (small fractional percentage)
     
    Agree or disagree?

    I agree.

    I would also like to state that if it wasn't for the PC cheaters! CCP would release it for PC.

    But no these cheating bastids use aimbot and other hacks to get an advantage. That is the sole reason CCP wont release Dust on PC.

    Dust will be mostly client side, we all know what happens on PC it gets hacked the f**k up.

    Gratz that 5-10% of fps players that use those hacks ruined it for Pc only gamers, get upset at them not CCP.

    I own both a Ps3 and 360 so im golden :)

     

    I guess I could also add an E) New players will sub to EVE because they played Dust 514 and loved it. (low to medium percentage).

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    I'm shrugging it off because I'm not a market investor. I'm a player of games, not a financial executive. I suspect everyone else on these forums is also just a player of games, yes?
    What I'm tired of, is people assuming they know about "market dynamics" simply because they go with the flow of subscribers in a MMO.
    I wish the best to CCP as well. The point I was trying to make is that CCP is doing it. Of all the companies that could be making an FPS shooter, that will supposedly tie into a MMO, I wouldn't have expected CCP to try, it's just odd.
    Oh, but I suppose if I so much as question the reality of the situation, then I "know little of market dynamics." lol
    Super Smash Bros. Brawl was amazingly successful. Success=Great game.. ?

    Your right, numbers sold does not always translate into quality.  But more to the topic, I think what CCP is doing is something you will see more and more of in the industry. This is one of many upcoming  experiments, with the end result being cross platform games. I do not know how it will translate into gameplay or popularity and neither to they, hence my term experiment. We are looking at the transformation of the MMO genre. Actually this is a quite exciting time. If one can forget his prejudices and keep an open mind about this, you might  find it pretty amazing, as I do.

  • jagd1jagd1 Member Posts: 281
    Originally posted by aeroplane22


    What we're basically talking about here:
    CCP is marketing a large project towards the console crowd, most of whom probably don't even know about EVE. Nearly the complete opposite of the EVE player-base.
    Then, somehow, they're going to blend the two together somehow.. and the EVE players are going to like this, why?
    Let's face it, EVE players are historically known for being the epitome of the anti-WoW, anti-console crowd. So I don't understand why it's CCP making the jump, let alone trying to blend the game into EVE as well.
    Just doesn't make sense.


     

    It is so simple ,CCP is trying to diversive their income sources ,they only have eve now .They are trying to move to console market with micro transaction model .If it had been published for pc it would be a reguler fps and no microtransaction income .

    About interaction between eve and dust ;eve is the only thing CCP has now (until WOD reailsed)  ,how would they market dust without eve ? Eve is the carrot on the stick for marketing .

     

  • OmrieOmrie Member UncommonPosts: 116

    Think Dust 514 will be Xbox only?

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806
    Originally posted by Omrie


    Think Dust 514 will be Xbox only?


     

    Its possible. I hear that the PS3 is much more difficult to code for.  Its a powerful system, but with all of that power comes much higher complexity.

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  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515

    Way i see it is if [and its a big if] Dust fails it will have a negligable if any affect to EvE, so no EvE style NGE here folks!!

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

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