Highlighted the key phrase for you there. Since you don't know how they classify "Full" the word is utterly meaninless, it could represent 3K players per server since its in their best interest to make people believe that the game is full. If they were really being honest, they'd just post the actual figure like DAOC used to do (and still does) and the fact they don't leads me to disbelieve such a measurement. No doubt, Aion's doing pretty well, but I doubt its the runaway success the OP and others claim it to be.
Though to be fair it could also mean filled to the brim. Oh, I don't think it is but no one really knows for sure.
Also, most games don't list server numbers. Part of keeping a game thriving is that appearance that it's viable. If you see a server indicated as "Recommended" that could be 5 people on or 2000, just shy of the full marker (or whatever the figure would be).
Most games just use the full, recommended, etc method so that players won't shy away from a server that needs or just could use a few more people.
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Ok fine I stop using XFire and look at the servers. In EU there are what, 18 servers, and almost all of them are listed as full every weekend. Now I dont know how they classify Full but if you assume that it means the server is packed then 18 servers at almost the limit, 1 month after release and that is JUST IN EUROPE. Is pretty damn good. Also the fact that the LFG channel is constantly spammed by people LFG is also another sign that the server is packed. Now if they drop is another question but there is no sign of that yet. And as for Aion being a PvP game I disagree. Its endgame is focused on PvP, yes, but there is tons of PvE in the game and most of it is well done. Also, why is the game not casual? The death penalty is lenient, quests are abundant and easy to do and there are safe areas for PvP. So the only thing that may not be casual is the leveling past 30 but for being an Asia produced game that is nothing. Lineage 2s grind was much, Much worse.
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above.
Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well.
So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%.
The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire.
So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe.
I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well.
So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
numbers dont mean squat period what does matter is the fact that the exp ramps up after lvl 30 and the grind would actually be ok if it had some incentive for doing it as it is i may kill 30 some odd mobs and come off with 5 cracked claws or something even more worthless everyone talks like this game you can just make money out your ears but frankly ive noticed most ppl dont make enough to afford even the basic stuff let alone try to lvl crafts or even buy some fancy million kinah wings which as far as it goes was the exact same thing in wow only that was a flying mount i play aion and im at lvl 30 as a temp and ive noticed im not the only one that has these issues in fact another forum post was a write up by paragus of a legion in aion and even he has stated that because of these issues and others him and his guild has stepped back from aion i get tremedous lag but my comp sucks so i bare with it but when im grinding out mobs making no money and barely any exp i find myself still on the fence about aion veering more to falling on the canceled sub side
I never thought I'd post this, but here goes -- an xfire post! I visited the link provided earlier on in this very thread and tried to figure out what it ment. As I was about to just discard it I noted an odd trend. For almost a day from October 27th to October 28th the gaming hours have remained exactly the same. There's no variation that you could notice even with the closest zoom. First, I thought this is some sort of an elemental feature of MMOGs but quickly I noticed that other games have pretty great fluctuation inside their 24-hour cycle. Second, I thought that I am wearing some tinfoil hat which has transformed me into a troll but after a quick check that wasn't the case either. What follows is the pure tinfoil-hat-troll speculation from my part.
Could it be that part of the reason why Aion remains to be so succesful is because of the notarious botting issue which has haunted Aion since its launch. If those botting are using xfire it would explain why there is next to no change on the trend for such an extensive period of time. After all, the hours played is on 40,000+ where a small impact of "legit" players would not be visible -- we know how everyone says that they are not using xfire themselves. But with the xfire sample size of Aion players (~9000) how on earth it would be possible that they play in 400 hours of margin for two days (from 42667 to 42222), that is, what less than 3 minutes of variation per player. I am certain that I haven't understood something from the way xfire handles the data, but I just thought it was interesting and hope someone could explain it to me.
Sorry for sidetracking the discussion, but thought it might have a connection of some sort with Aion's success.
I never thought I'd post this, but here goes -- an xfire post! I visited the link provided earlier on in this very thread and tried to figure out what it ment. As I was about to just discard it I noted an odd trend. For almost a day from October 27th to October 28th the gaming hours have remained exactly the same. There's no variation that you could notice even with the closest zoom. First, I thought this is some sort of an elemental feature of MMOGs but quickly I noticed that other games have pretty great fluctuation inside their 24-hour cycle. Second, I thought that I am wearing some tinfoil hat which has transformed me into a troll but after a quick check that wasn't the case either. What follows is the pure tinfoil-hat-troll speculation from my part.
Could it be that part of the reason why Aion remains to be so succesful is because of the notarious botting issue which has haunted Aion since its launch. If those botting are using xfire it would explain why there is next to no change on the trend for such an extensive period of time. After all, the hours played is on 40,000+ where a small impact of "legit" players would not be visible -- we know how everyone says that they are not using xfire themselves. But with the xfire sample size of Aion players (~9000) how on earth it would be possible that they play in 400 hours of margin for two days (from 42667 to 42222), that is, what less than 3 minutes of variation per player. I am certain that I haven't understood something from the way xfire handles the data, but I just thought it was interesting and hope someone could explain it to me.
Sorry for sidetracking the discussion, but thought it might have a connection of some sort with Aion's success.
Really? Because those botting issues don't exist in any other major commercially successful MMO right? Wrong.
Ok fine I stop using XFire and look at the servers. In EU there are what, 18 servers, and almost all of them are listed as full every weekend. Now I dont know how they classify Full but if you assume that it means the server is packed then 18 servers at almost the limit, 1 month after release and that is JUST IN EUROPE. Is pretty damn good. Also the fact that the LFG channel is constantly spammed by people LFG is also another sign that the server is packed. Now if they drop is another question but there is no sign of that yet. And as for Aion being a PvP game I disagree. Its endgame is focused on PvP, yes, but there is tons of PvE in the game and most of it is well done. Also, why is the game not casual? The death penalty is lenient, quests are abundant and easy to do and there are safe areas for PvP. So the only thing that may not be casual is the leveling past 30 but for being an Asia produced game that is nothing. Lineage 2s grind was much, Much worse.
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above.
Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well.
So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%.
The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire.
So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe.
I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well.
So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
I don't disagree that Aion will have a healthy number of subs for awhile (we'll see how it does 6 months out) but your earlier post mentions 500k, which I don't buy. I'd say at the most they peak at half that number. You just said that you agree with the 50% drop. Well, if we're going off of the 400k preorder number, lets say grand total they did 450-475k in the first month. What's 50% of that?
As far as 2nd most played MMO, I don't know what the sub numbers are for other games in the west outside of WoW, none of them probably have broken 300k (guild wars does not count)
Really? Because those botting issues don't exist in any other major commercially successful MMO right? Wrong.
Well I can't vouch for LotR, AoC, or EvE but I know WAR, WoW, TCOS, EQ2, etc didn't have hundreds of bots in plain sight botting for days and weeks with no reprecussions. There may have been a few here and there but not entire fields full of them.
Grinder games get boring and people look to eliminate the boring. Thus Bots are born! AION is especially boring so it has more bots than bigger budget western made games.
It also has a lot to do with how the company handles the bots. NCSoft is clearly doing all of nothing. Where in WoW I know of several people that got banned and the very famous glider bans that got a whole bunch of people. NCSoft had done 1 mass ban and hit just as many non-botters as it did botters.
Really? Because those botting issues don't exist in any other major commercially successful MMO right? Wrong.
Well I can't vouch for LotR, AoC, or EvE but I know WAR, WoW, TCOS, EQ2, etc didn't have hundreds of bots in plain sight botting for days and weeks with no reprecussions. There may have been a few here and there but not entire fields full of them.
Grinder games get boring and people look to eliminate the boring. Thus Bots are born! AION is especially boring so it has more bots than bigger budget western made games.
It also has a lot to do with how the company handles the bots. NCSoft is clearly doing all of nothing. Where in WoW I know of several people that got banned and the very famous glider bans that got a whole bunch of people. NCSoft had done 1 mass ban and hit just as many non-botters as it did botters.
Really what WoW were you playing because the Bots there were horrendous for quite some time. Now I will give you that both companies put it out there in the media they sued various people/programmers/companies or sites associated with botting but how effective was either at eliminating the problem? The fact of the matter is that WoW spawned an entire industry on in game currency selling and botting and there are far more sites out there with regard to botting and gold selling for WoW than any other MMO game out there.
Ok fine I stop using XFire and look at the servers. In EU there are what, 18 servers, and almost all of them are listed as full every weekend. Now I dont know how they classify Full but if you assume that it means the server is packed then 18 servers at almost the limit, 1 month after release and that is JUST IN EUROPE. Is pretty damn good. Also the fact that the LFG channel is constantly spammed by people LFG is also another sign that the server is packed. Now if they drop is another question but there is no sign of that yet. And as for Aion being a PvP game I disagree. Its endgame is focused on PvP, yes, but there is tons of PvE in the game and most of it is well done. Also, why is the game not casual? The death penalty is lenient, quests are abundant and easy to do and there are safe areas for PvP. So the only thing that may not be casual is the leveling past 30 but for being an Asia produced game that is nothing. Lineage 2s grind was much, Much worse.
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above.
Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well.
So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%.
The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire.
So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe.
I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well.
So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
I don't disagree that Aion will have a healthy number of subs for awhile (we'll see how it does 6 months out) but your earlier post mentions 500k, which I don't buy. I'd say at the most they peak at half that number. You just said that you agree with the 50% drop. Well, if we're going off of the 400k preorder number, lets say grand total they did 450-475k in the first month. What's 50% of that?
As far as 2nd most played MMO, I don't know what the sub numbers are for other games in the west outside of WoW, none of them probably have broken 300k (guild wars does not count)
Again, pure speculations. 400k preorders may be correct but how do you know how many they sold after that? AoC, allegadly sold 800k copies a month after launch, why would Aion sell less?
Regardless, it is all speculation how many copies have been sold (unless NCSoft release those numbers). The only thing we can see is that Aion is holding at second highest on XFire, contrary to AoC and WAR that both started at 2nd on XFire but quickly dropped.
So what we can say right now is that on XFire Aion is number 2 of MMORPG and heads and shoulders ahead of Eve, GW and so on when it comes to activity. How it will look in a month or so is all speculations at this moment.
I personally dont see it dropping drastically since it has a healthy amount of content and a solid end-game.
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above. Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well. So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%. The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire. So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe. I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well. So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
No problem I'll explain it to you.
EVE has a confirmed 300K subs (officialy) !, yet at the launch of Aion on Xfire it had 5 times (less ) Xfire players than Aion.
That would mean Aion launched with a whopping 1.5 Million western players IF ... IF Aion Xfire play was not oversampled.
Impossible BTW to what Aion said at launch (400K of which 60% were on line at the same time - see NCSoft official website).
Now Aion dropped 50% in playing time (and around 40% in players) and it still has 3 times the number of Xfire EVE players.
--->W Meaning the sample of Aion Xfire doesn't match the other MMo's. Meaning there is a clear oversample of Aion on Xfire and so its so called 4th place is simply based on being over represented on Xfire.
BTW NCSoft dropped the mask now.
They collaborate with Xfire: they give a new shell to the game IF you use Xfire ... And ...
You can buy Aion on the Xfire website, so making it sure the game is oversampled by a certain factor. Every Aion game bought there has automatically X-ire installed.
Since the Aion playings are NOW 50% less (even on Xfire) you see the 14NA/18EU servers (with no queuing lines) are holding the usual 250K players at max capacity, coming down from the 100% openeing week and weekend.
So it is very clear (viewing the DOWNWARD trend) the game is now under EVE (because its 4th place is only tx to the publicity and co working between NCsoft and Xfire).
It's called "co-operation" I'd call it a scam to fool the false popularity of the game.
Like the lied up 3.5M asian players and never confirmed btw.
But only this time .... NCSoft is VERY much directly involved. So they dropped the mask.
Damn I did not expect Aion to drop below Eve this fast in the west.
How good could Aion be if it can't overtake a game that caters to an extremely small niche like the Rts, economics sim,Sci-fi spaceship, Hardcore pvp full loot crowd.
Zorn let us know when Aion drops below LotRO will ya.
Xfire can produce lag, many don't have a very fast net so tend to remove anything that can slow connection speed while playing plus there's many people that don't even know about the program or don't even care about it.
Oh look zondorf again with xfire ratings... Xfire can produce lag, many don't have a very fast net so tend to remove anything that can slow connection speed while playing plus there's many people that don't even know about the program or don't even care about it. Go use your "facts" else were ok?
Dude I want to say Zorn is wrong more than anyone on this forum.
But we need to face it dude over the last two years this crazy guy has been right on about everything he's said with Xfire.
He's predicted Lotro, WAR, AoC and other so called "Wow killer" sub numbers declines months before they happened.
It's come to the point that if Xfire says you fail, then you do.
Don't get mad at Zorn, get mad at NCsoft for not creating a game that appeals to more people if you want to boost about Aions Subs.
You should be happy though, what does it matter if Aion is dropping sub numbers, you found a game you enjoy be happy.
Oh look zondorf again with xfire ratings... Xfire can produce lag, many don't have a very fast net so tend to remove anything that can slow connection speed while playing plus there's many people that don't even know about the program or don't even care about it. Go use your "facts" else were ok?
Dude I want to say Zorn is wrong more than anyone on this forum.
But we need to face it dude over the last two years this crazy guy has been right on about everything he's said with Xfire.
He's predicted Lotro, WAR, AoC and other so called "Wow killer" sub numbers declines months before they happened.
It's come to the point that if Xfire says you fail, then you do.
Don't get mad at Zorn, get mad at NCsoft for not creating a game that appeals to more people if you want to boost about Aions Subs.
You should be happy though, what does it matter if Aion is dropping sub numbers, you found a game you enjoy be happy.
It's not a bad game but it's not the game I would play for long it's just that there's nothing around that is PVE oriented all these past years PVP after PVP games which is stupid.
At least aion's cutscenes sometimes make you feel your role playing, I'll just have to wait for FFXIV hoping it will be good since that's the only game I know that will be PVE oriented.
Those "predictions" like you say were a bit of luck with many posts about X game lacking stuff.
Now I'm not saying aion best game in the world because it isn't but it's certain that it won't die and will be in the position of 2nd or 3rd of fantasy mmorpg (eve is sci-fi) of most played TILL and I say again TILL what they said in their last announcement about some upcoming mysterious patch that will do something against bots and gold spams will be true andthat they will really have more active gms around this time.
All these "predictions" are just opinions from a guy that most probably never stopped playing wow and ever game that came after it that tried taking some subs must fail.
Oh look zondorf again with xfire ratings... Xfire can produce lag, many don't have a very fast net so tend to remove anything that can slow connection speed while playing plus there's many people that don't even know about the program or don't even care about it. Go use your "facts" else were ok?
Dude I want to say Zorn is wrong more than anyone on this forum.
But we need to face it dude over the last two years this crazy guy has been right on about everything he's said with Xfire.
He's predicted Lotro, WAR, AoC and other so called "Wow killer" sub numbers declines months before they happened.
It's come to the point that if Xfire says you fail, then you do.
Don't get mad at Zorn, get mad at NCsoft for not creating a game that appeals to more people if you want to boost about Aions Subs.
You should be happy though, what does it matter if Aion is dropping sub numbers, you found a game you enjoy be happy.
It's not a bad game but it's not the game I would play for long it's just that there's nothing around that is PVE oriented all these past years PVP after PVP games which is stupid.
At least aion's cutscenes sometimes make you feel your role playing, I'll just have to wait for FFXIV hoping it will be good since that's the only game I know that will be PVE oriented.
PVE focused mmo? I don't even bother looking for those dude. If TOR and FFXIV drops the ball you might as well stick with single player Rpgs for the next five to ten years.
Imo We have never had a good Pve focused MMO that could hang with single player Rpgs and thats sad.
It's not a bad game but it's not the game I would play for long it's just that there's nothing around that is PVE oriented all these past years PVP after PVP games which is stupid. At least aion's cutscenes sometimes make you feel your role playing, I'll just have to wait for FFXIV hoping it will be good since that's the only game I know that will be PVE oriented.
PVE focused mmo? I don't even bother looking for those dude. If TOR and FFXIV drops the ball you might as well stick with single player Rpgs for the next five to ten years.
Imo We have never had a good Pve focused MMO that could hang with single player Rpgs and thats sad.
I played FF XI which was not that bad but I didn't play it when it just launched I was playing wow and didn't know there was a final fantasy mmo so finding a party could take me on an hour to 5h and some days even no party which was the reason I stopped playing it.
Tried going back to it but almost empty servers with maybe 5 players around and some random bot that whispers you some gold selling website it's like a deserted game now at low levels (i tried a trial first before deciding if I would reactivate my account or not).
It's not a bad game but it's not the game I would play for long it's just that there's nothing around that is PVE oriented all these past years PVP after PVP games which is stupid. At least aion's cutscenes sometimes make you feel your role playing, I'll just have to wait for FFXIV hoping it will be good since that's the only game I know that will be PVE oriented.
PVE focused mmo? I don't even bother looking for those dude. If TOR and FFXIV drops the ball you might as well stick with single player Rpgs for the next five to ten years.
Imo We have never had a good Pve focused MMO that could hang with single player Rpgs and thats sad.
I played FF XI which was not that bad but I didn't play it when it just launched I was playing wow and didn't know there was a final fantasy mmo so finding a party could take me on an hour to 5h and some days even no party which was the reason I stopped playing it.
Tried going back to it but almost empty servers with maybe 5 players around and some random bot that whispers you some gold selling website it's like a deserted game now at low levels (i tried a trial first before deciding if I would reactivate my account or not).
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My issue with FFXI is that it is nothing like the Final fantasy Rpgs.
Before FFXI released Square showed off a demo with a two handed sword character running around an amazing map playing what looked like a sequal to FF rpg then they showed an asian girl log onto a computer and join in on the game. Honestly a real Final fantasy mmo would have been basically a Better looking FF6 or 7 with the ability to run Co-op through the story and square releasing new 70-150 hour modules every few months.
I know it doesn't sound like much of an MMO but thats the only way they would have done the IP justice.
FF Rpg series> FF mmo by such a fucking landslide it's pathetic.
Like I said no pve focused mmo has come close to single player Rpgs and if anyone was to do it I would think Square would but as their first game has shown they didn't come close.
I don't know about the US servers I play on european ones but during peak time only 4 or 5 servers(the ones with foreign languages mostly) show as recommended and the rest show full.
I don't know the exact population but if there are canceling subscriptions mostly (not all ofc) are coming from the US servers.
I don't know about the US servers I play on european ones but during peak time only 4 or 5 servers(the ones with foreign languages mostly) show as recommended and the rest show full. I don't know the exact population but if there are canceling subscriptions mostly (not all ofc) are coming from the US servers.
10PM eastern time, 7PM western time. It's about as prime time as you can get. The US servers are all being listed as Recommended.
Originally posted by Downsy I think my biggest gripe with the game is actually the community. My chief #1 annoyance is the common misuse of the term "Hardcore". There's a difference between being "Hardcore" and enjoying grinding. The community basically considers themself "Hardcore" because they grind. From my experience, there's a difference between being hardcore and masochistic.
rofl I loved that. I stated something similar in previous posts. Forcing yourself to play a lackluster game is not the definition of hardcore. If you can run a program to level you up; it is not only over simplified, it's designed with the most senseless gamer in mind.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
I am growing so tired of reading the forums at mmorpg. Doesn't anyone want to talk about the game that they r playing, offer hints, talk about cool items or just talk about other things insted of just flaming or defending a game. I mean really, if u don't like it good for you, say your peace and get the **** out. If the grinding sucks, find something that suits you.Not enough quests, move on and find your inner gamer somewhere else. Why dwell here? Do we really need 1000"s of posts like this? Do most ppl really care how many subs are going to be in this game in 6 months? Will it make you all warm and fuzzy inside if something that helps pass the time for others fails? I really doubt most care about it being "hardcore" if they find it fun. Plus everyone has there own idea of what hardcore is. (mine is high risk high reward) I happen to really like this game and so far so do many others. I hope the best for it, accept that.
I don't know about the US servers I play on european ones but during peak time only 4 or 5 servers(the ones with foreign languages mostly) show as recommended and the rest show full. I don't know the exact population but if there are canceling subscriptions mostly (not all ofc) are coming from the US servers.
10PM eastern time, 7PM western time. It's about as prime time as you can get. The US servers are all being listed as Recommended.
NCSoft dropped the ball (AGAIN) when it comes to botting and RMT. This is the result.
Not many people are going to stick around in a game, in wich pretty much every darn quest spot is camped by bot trains constantly clearing out the place.
Not to mention that they flood the broker with large stacks of loot and resources, completely ruining the ingame economy.
The bots and RMT has done so much damage already this first month, wich NCSoft will never be able to fix anymore. It has gotten completely out of hand.
at worst Aion will be 100k western. at best i would say maybe 500k western. Which is pretty good MMO wise today. Aion is a polished game with a pretty damn good combat system, which is its main up. Across the board though it does not stand out too much, with exception of graphics which are probably only below Age of Conans.
Aion as of now , has over 3.6 milion subscribers world wide, and has 11.6 % of the market ,
Wow has 54% of the market , and to put that in perspective,
EQ2 had under 1% , and AOC are around1.6%
So Aion is now the 2ond largest MMO in the world.
First weekend Wow sold 400k copies ,
Aion sold 400k Preorder
at the first week Aion sold over 600k copies.
now here we are with 3.6 milion subscribers.
In the diagram Aion is the fastest growing MMO of all time, but due to this Wow will be bigger , sad but true
at worst Aion will be 100k western. at best i would say maybe 500k western. Which is pretty good MMO wise today. Aion is a polished game with a pretty damn good combat system, which is its main up. Across the board though it does not stand out too much, with exception of graphics which are probably only below Age of Conans.
Aion as of now , has over 3.6 milion subscribers world wide, and has 11.6 % of the market ,
Wow has 54% of the market , and to put that in perspective,
EQ2 had under 1% , and AOC are around1.6%
So Aion is now the 2ond largest MMO in the world.
First weekend Wow sold 400k copies ,
Aion sold 400k Preorder
at the first week Aion sold over 600k copies.
now here we are with 3.6 milion subscribers.
In the diagram Aion is the fastest growing MMO of all time, but due to this Wow will be bigger , sad but true
Please link me an official press release by NCsoft that states Aion has 3.6 million subscribers worldwide.
I am growing so tired of reading the forums at mmorpg. Doesn't anyone want to talk about the game that they r playing, offer hints, talk about cool items or just talk about other things insted of just flaming or defending a game. I mean really, if u don't like it good for you, say your peace and get the **** out. If the grinding sucks, find something that suits you.Not enough quests, move on and find your inner gamer somewhere else. Why dwell here? Do we really need 1000"s of posts like this? Do most ppl really care how many subs are going to be in this game in 6 months? Will it make you all warm and fuzzy inside if something that helps pass the time for others fails? I really doubt most care about it being "hardcore" if they find it fun. Plus everyone has there own idea of what hardcore is. (mine is high risk high reward) I happen to really like this game and so far so do many others. I hope the best for it, accept that.
this is definitely not a site to take seriously or even a place to come to find meaningful discussion of your MMO. If you like a game, you can expect your forums to be bombarded with a few fools who have nothing better to do with their time then hang out and troll on a games forums they admittedly hate. At the end of the day, this site is worthless and the mods are ultimately to blame for allowing the same few clowns to constantly troll and manipulate and destroy any hope for meaningful discussion.
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Though to be fair it could also mean filled to the brim. Oh, I don't think it is but no one really knows for sure.
Also, most games don't list server numbers. Part of keeping a game thriving is that appearance that it's viable. If you see a server indicated as "Recommended" that could be 5 people on or 2000, just shy of the full marker (or whatever the figure would be).
Most games just use the full, recommended, etc method so that players won't shy away from a server that needs or just could use a few more people.
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Around 50% Xfire playings less in merely 4 weeks http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above.
Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well.
So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%.
The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire.
So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe.
I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well.
So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
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numbers dont mean squat period what does matter is the fact that the exp ramps up after lvl 30 and the grind would actually be ok if it had some incentive for doing it as it is i may kill 30 some odd mobs and come off with 5 cracked claws or something even more worthless everyone talks like this game you can just make money out your ears but frankly ive noticed most ppl dont make enough to afford even the basic stuff let alone try to lvl crafts or even buy some fancy million kinah wings which as far as it goes was the exact same thing in wow only that was a flying mount i play aion and im at lvl 30 as a temp and ive noticed im not the only one that has these issues in fact another forum post was a write up by paragus of a legion in aion and even he has stated that because of these issues and others him and his guild has stepped back from aion i get tremedous lag but my comp sucks so i bare with it but when im grinding out mobs making no money and barely any exp i find myself still on the fence about aion veering more to falling on the canceled sub side
I never thought I'd post this, but here goes -- an xfire post! I visited the link provided earlier on in this very thread and tried to figure out what it ment. As I was about to just discard it I noted an odd trend. For almost a day from October 27th to October 28th the gaming hours have remained exactly the same. There's no variation that you could notice even with the closest zoom. First, I thought this is some sort of an elemental feature of MMOGs but quickly I noticed that other games have pretty great fluctuation inside their 24-hour cycle. Second, I thought that I am wearing some tinfoil hat which has transformed me into a troll but after a quick check that wasn't the case either. What follows is the pure tinfoil-hat-troll speculation from my part.
Could it be that part of the reason why Aion remains to be so succesful is because of the notarious botting issue which has haunted Aion since its launch. If those botting are using xfire it would explain why there is next to no change on the trend for such an extensive period of time. After all, the hours played is on 40,000+ where a small impact of "legit" players would not be visible -- we know how everyone says that they are not using xfire themselves. But with the xfire sample size of Aion players (~9000) how on earth it would be possible that they play in 400 hours of margin for two days (from 42667 to 42222), that is, what less than 3 minutes of variation per player. I am certain that I haven't understood something from the way xfire handles the data, but I just thought it was interesting and hope someone could explain it to me.
Sorry for sidetracking the discussion, but thought it might have a connection of some sort with Aion's success.
Really? Because those botting issues don't exist in any other major commercially successful MMO right? Wrong.
Around 50% Xfire playings less in merely 4 weeks http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above.
Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well.
So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%.
The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire.
So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe.
I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well.
So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
I don't disagree that Aion will have a healthy number of subs for awhile (we'll see how it does 6 months out) but your earlier post mentions 500k, which I don't buy. I'd say at the most they peak at half that number. You just said that you agree with the 50% drop. Well, if we're going off of the 400k preorder number, lets say grand total they did 450-475k in the first month. What's 50% of that?
As far as 2nd most played MMO, I don't know what the sub numbers are for other games in the west outside of WoW, none of them probably have broken 300k (guild wars does not count)
Well I can't vouch for LotR, AoC, or EvE but I know WAR, WoW, TCOS, EQ2, etc didn't have hundreds of bots in plain sight botting for days and weeks with no reprecussions. There may have been a few here and there but not entire fields full of them.
Grinder games get boring and people look to eliminate the boring. Thus Bots are born! AION is especially boring so it has more bots than bigger budget western made games.
It also has a lot to do with how the company handles the bots. NCSoft is clearly doing all of nothing. Where in WoW I know of several people that got banned and the very famous glider bans that got a whole bunch of people. NCSoft had done 1 mass ban and hit just as many non-botters as it did botters.
Well I can't vouch for LotR, AoC, or EvE but I know WAR, WoW, TCOS, EQ2, etc didn't have hundreds of bots in plain sight botting for days and weeks with no reprecussions. There may have been a few here and there but not entire fields full of them.
Grinder games get boring and people look to eliminate the boring. Thus Bots are born! AION is especially boring so it has more bots than bigger budget western made games.
It also has a lot to do with how the company handles the bots. NCSoft is clearly doing all of nothing. Where in WoW I know of several people that got banned and the very famous glider bans that got a whole bunch of people. NCSoft had done 1 mass ban and hit just as many non-botters as it did botters.
Really what WoW were you playing because the Bots there were horrendous for quite some time. Now I will give you that both companies put it out there in the media they sued various people/programmers/companies or sites associated with botting but how effective was either at eliminating the problem? The fact of the matter is that WoW spawned an entire industry on in game currency selling and botting and there are far more sites out there with regard to botting and gold selling for WoW than any other MMO game out there.
Around 50% Xfire playings less in merely 4 weeks http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/
coming from an 81K activity on Xfire to -----> 42 K Xfire. Just look at that trend ! in the link above.
Number of Aion Xfire players came from a whopping 14K at first weekend to under 9K as well.
So the game is around 250K these days with a playing loss of around 50-60%.
The fact there are still 3x more AIon Xfire players than EVE Xfire players is just because Aion is oversampled on XFire.
So the trend in Real subs would be even more dramatic as Xfire is promoted and so the real figures will prbably be even more severe.
I now see it is even on sale with Xfire. So anyone buying it is installing Xfire as well.
So it is not even the second most played mmo these days. That place goes clearly to EVE again.
Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
I don't disagree that Aion will have a healthy number of subs for awhile (we'll see how it does 6 months out) but your earlier post mentions 500k, which I don't buy. I'd say at the most they peak at half that number. You just said that you agree with the 50% drop. Well, if we're going off of the 400k preorder number, lets say grand total they did 450-475k in the first month. What's 50% of that?
As far as 2nd most played MMO, I don't know what the sub numbers are for other games in the west outside of WoW, none of them probably have broken 300k (guild wars does not count)
Again, pure speculations. 400k preorders may be correct but how do you know how many they sold after that? AoC, allegadly sold 800k copies a month after launch, why would Aion sell less?
Regardless, it is all speculation how many copies have been sold (unless NCSoft release those numbers). The only thing we can see is that Aion is holding at second highest on XFire, contrary to AoC and WAR that both started at 2nd on XFire but quickly dropped.
So what we can say right now is that on XFire Aion is number 2 of MMORPG and heads and shoulders ahead of Eve, GW and so on when it comes to activity. How it will look in a month or so is all speculations at this moment.
I personally dont see it dropping drastically since it has a healthy amount of content and a solid end-game.
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Ok so first we dont look at XFire because it sucks and now we do look at it but somehow manipulate the result so that Eve, even though it has much less activity than Aion, is the second most played because "Aion is oversampled on XFire".
Did you take that statement out of your arse or do you have any actual data that Aion is oversampled?
As for the 50% drop, that is normal. All MMORPGs has a drop after the first month, Champions Online had a 70% drop.
So unless you have some actual data, beside things pulled out of your arse, Aion is the second most popular MMORPG right now.
No problem I'll explain it to you.
EVE has a confirmed 300K subs (officialy) !, yet at the launch of Aion on Xfire it had 5 times (less ) Xfire players than Aion.
That would mean Aion launched with a whopping 1.5 Million western players IF ... IF Aion Xfire play was not oversampled.
Impossible BTW to what Aion said at launch (400K of which 60% were on line at the same time - see NCSoft official website).
Now Aion dropped 50% in playing time (and around 40% in players) and it still has 3 times the number of Xfire EVE players.
--->W Meaning the sample of Aion Xfire doesn't match the other MMo's. Meaning there is a clear oversample of Aion on Xfire and so its so called 4th place is simply based on being over represented on Xfire.
BTW NCSoft dropped the mask now.
They collaborate with Xfire: they give a new shell to the game IF you use Xfire ... And ...
You can buy Aion on the Xfire website, so making it sure the game is oversampled by a certain factor. Every Aion game bought there has automatically X-ire installed.
Since the Aion playings are NOW 50% less (even on Xfire) you see the 14NA/18EU servers (with no queuing lines) are holding the usual 250K players at max capacity, coming down from the 100% openeing week and weekend.
So it is very clear (viewing the DOWNWARD trend) the game is now under EVE (because its 4th place is only tx to the publicity and co working between NCsoft and Xfire).
It's called "co-operation" I'd call it a scam to fool the false popularity of the game.
Like the lied up 3.5M asian players and never confirmed btw.
But only this time .... NCSoft is VERY much directly involved. So they dropped the mask.
http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/
Damn I did not expect Aion to drop below Eve this fast in the west.
How good could Aion be if it can't overtake a game that caters to an extremely small niche like the Rts, economics sim,Sci-fi spaceship, Hardcore pvp full loot crowd.
Zorn let us know when Aion drops below LotRO will ya.
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Oh look zondorf again with xfire ratings...
Xfire can produce lag, many don't have a very fast net so tend to remove anything that can slow connection speed while playing plus there's many people that don't even know about the program or don't even care about it.
Go use your "facts" else were ok?
Dude I want to say Zorn is wrong more than anyone on this forum.
But we need to face it dude over the last two years this crazy guy has been right on about everything he's said with Xfire.
He's predicted Lotro, WAR, AoC and other so called "Wow killer" sub numbers declines months before they happened.
It's come to the point that if Xfire says you fail, then you do.
Don't get mad at Zorn, get mad at NCsoft for not creating a game that appeals to more people if you want to boost about Aions Subs.
You should be happy though, what does it matter if Aion is dropping sub numbers, you found a game you enjoy be happy.
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Dude I want to say Zorn is wrong more than anyone on this forum.
But we need to face it dude over the last two years this crazy guy has been right on about everything he's said with Xfire.
He's predicted Lotro, WAR, AoC and other so called "Wow killer" sub numbers declines months before they happened.
It's come to the point that if Xfire says you fail, then you do.
Don't get mad at Zorn, get mad at NCsoft for not creating a game that appeals to more people if you want to boost about Aions Subs.
You should be happy though, what does it matter if Aion is dropping sub numbers, you found a game you enjoy be happy.
It's not a bad game but it's not the game I would play for long it's just that there's nothing around that is PVE oriented all these past years PVP after PVP games which is stupid.
At least aion's cutscenes sometimes make you feel your role playing, I'll just have to wait for FFXIV hoping it will be good since that's the only game I know that will be PVE oriented.
Those "predictions" like you say were a bit of luck with many posts about X game lacking stuff.
Now I'm not saying aion best game in the world because it isn't but it's certain that it won't die and will be in the position of 2nd or 3rd of fantasy mmorpg (eve is sci-fi) of most played TILL and I say again TILL what they said in their last announcement about some upcoming mysterious patch that will do something against bots and gold spams will be true andthat they will really have more active gms around this time.
All these "predictions" are just opinions from a guy that most probably never stopped playing wow and ever game that came after it that tried taking some subs must fail.
Dude I want to say Zorn is wrong more than anyone on this forum.
But we need to face it dude over the last two years this crazy guy has been right on about everything he's said with Xfire.
He's predicted Lotro, WAR, AoC and other so called "Wow killer" sub numbers declines months before they happened.
It's come to the point that if Xfire says you fail, then you do.
Don't get mad at Zorn, get mad at NCsoft for not creating a game that appeals to more people if you want to boost about Aions Subs.
You should be happy though, what does it matter if Aion is dropping sub numbers, you found a game you enjoy be happy.
It's not a bad game but it's not the game I would play for long it's just that there's nothing around that is PVE oriented all these past years PVP after PVP games which is stupid.
At least aion's cutscenes sometimes make you feel your role playing, I'll just have to wait for FFXIV hoping it will be good since that's the only game I know that will be PVE oriented.
PVE focused mmo? I don't even bother looking for those dude. If TOR and FFXIV drops the ball you might as well stick with single player Rpgs for the next five to ten years.
Imo We have never had a good Pve focused MMO that could hang with single player Rpgs and thats sad.
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PVE focused mmo? I don't even bother looking for those dude. If TOR and FFXIV drops the ball you might as well stick with single player Rpgs for the next five to ten years.
Imo We have never had a good Pve focused MMO that could hang with single player Rpgs and thats sad.
I played FF XI which was not that bad but I didn't play it when it just launched I was playing wow and didn't know there was a final fantasy mmo so finding a party could take me on an hour to 5h and some days even no party which was the reason I stopped playing it.
Tried going back to it but almost empty servers with maybe 5 players around and some random bot that whispers you some gold selling website it's like a deserted game now at low levels (i tried a trial first before deciding if I would reactivate my account or not).
PVE focused mmo? I don't even bother looking for those dude. If TOR and FFXIV drops the ball you might as well stick with single player Rpgs for the next five to ten years.
Imo We have never had a good Pve focused MMO that could hang with single player Rpgs and thats sad.
I played FF XI which was not that bad but I didn't play it when it just launched I was playing wow and didn't know there was a final fantasy mmo so finding a party could take me on an hour to 5h and some days even no party which was the reason I stopped playing it.
Tried going back to it but almost empty servers with maybe 5 players around and some random bot that whispers you some gold selling website it's like a deserted game now at low levels (i tried a trial first before deciding if I would reactivate my account or not).
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My issue with FFXI is that it is nothing like the Final fantasy Rpgs.
Before FFXI released Square showed off a demo with a two handed sword character running around an amazing map playing what looked like a sequal to FF rpg then they showed an asian girl log onto a computer and join in on the game. Honestly a real Final fantasy mmo would have been basically a Better looking FF6 or 7 with the ability to run Co-op through the story and square releasing new 70-150 hour modules every few months.
I know it doesn't sound like much of an MMO but thats the only way they would have done the IP justice.
FF Rpg series> FF mmo by such a fucking landslide it's pathetic.
Like I said no pve focused mmo has come close to single player Rpgs and if anyone was to do it I would think Square would but as their first game has shown they didn't come close.
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I don't know about the US servers I play on european ones but during peak time only 4 or 5 servers(the ones with foreign languages mostly) show as recommended and the rest show full.
I don't know the exact population but if there are canceling subscriptions mostly (not all ofc) are coming from the US servers.
10PM eastern time, 7PM western time. It's about as prime time as you can get. The US servers are all being listed as Recommended.
rofl I loved that. I stated something similar in previous posts. Forcing yourself to play a lackluster game is not the definition of hardcore. If you can run a program to level you up; it is not only over simplified, it's designed with the most senseless gamer in mind.
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I am growing so tired of reading the forums at mmorpg. Doesn't anyone want to talk about the game that they r playing, offer hints, talk about cool items or just talk about other things insted of just flaming or defending a game. I mean really, if u don't like it good for you, say your peace and get the **** out. If the grinding sucks, find something that suits you.Not enough quests, move on and find your inner gamer somewhere else. Why dwell here? Do we really need 1000"s of posts like this? Do most ppl really care how many subs are going to be in this game in 6 months? Will it make you all warm and fuzzy inside if something that helps pass the time for others fails? I really doubt most care about it being "hardcore" if they find it fun. Plus everyone has there own idea of what hardcore is. (mine is high risk high reward) I happen to really like this game and so far so do many others. I hope the best for it, accept that.
10PM eastern time, 7PM western time. It's about as prime time as you can get. The US servers are all being listed as Recommended.
NCSoft dropped the ball (AGAIN) when it comes to botting and RMT. This is the result.
Not many people are going to stick around in a game, in wich pretty much every darn quest spot is camped by bot trains constantly clearing out the place.
Not to mention that they flood the broker with large stacks of loot and resources, completely ruining the ingame economy.
The bots and RMT has done so much damage already this first month, wich NCSoft will never be able to fix anymore. It has gotten completely out of hand.
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That, unfortunately, still tells us nothing about whether the server pops are high or low.
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Aion as of now , has over 3.6 milion subscribers world wide, and has 11.6 % of the market ,
Wow has 54% of the market , and to put that in perspective,
EQ2 had under 1% , and AOC are around1.6%
So Aion is now the 2ond largest MMO in the world.
First weekend Wow sold 400k copies ,
Aion sold 400k Preorder
at the first week Aion sold over 600k copies.
now here we are with 3.6 milion subscribers.
In the diagram Aion is the fastest growing MMO of all time, but due to this Wow will be bigger , sad but true
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Aion as of now , has over 3.6 milion subscribers world wide, and has 11.6 % of the market ,
Wow has 54% of the market , and to put that in perspective,
EQ2 had under 1% , and AOC are around1.6%
So Aion is now the 2ond largest MMO in the world.
First weekend Wow sold 400k copies ,
Aion sold 400k Preorder
at the first week Aion sold over 600k copies.
now here we are with 3.6 milion subscribers.
In the diagram Aion is the fastest growing MMO of all time, but due to this Wow will be bigger , sad but true
Please link me an official press release by NCsoft that states Aion has 3.6 million subscribers worldwide.
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this is definitely not a site to take seriously or even a place to come to find meaningful discussion of your MMO. If you like a game, you can expect your forums to be bombarded with a few fools who have nothing better to do with their time then hang out and troll on a games forums they admittedly hate. At the end of the day, this site is worthless and the mods are ultimately to blame for allowing the same few clowns to constantly troll and manipulate and destroy any hope for meaningful discussion.