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So I canceled my sub 3 weeks into the game as i found out it was a true korean grinder and it was not my cup of tea. So I was just wondering how the game is doing sub wise and server wise. Is it still going strong and look to have a good future or just going to go the way of WAR and AoC?
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I stopped playing a week ago. There were still quite a few people playing though. However, almost everyone that I have talked to weren't real happy with the game. With that said the game will be fine with a healthy population I think (mostly L2 players I imagine).
I will say that I think NCSoft really dropped the ball on their customer service though.
Zorndorf u are back.
Nice to see u are still around .
Another constructive , inspiring post from Zorndorf.
/applause
Quick question did u ever play aion , i am just curious.
just a quick edit to add something.
Do u copy paste that text , i think it is the same in various posts.
Half the servers on EU are full at peak-times, and there are still a lot of players. It doesn't remotely resemble AoC or WAR at launch IMO, which started to go barren 1month in.
They have to fix a few critical issues though, and that's what is going to determine whether it's going to be successful in the long run or follow in the footsteps of AoC and WAR.
EDIT: BTW, does Zorndorf ever read the rebuttals he gets to his meaningless posts? He keeps posting the same things in every Aion thread, arguments that have been found out many times over.
Just chooses to ignore them? Ah well, those are the marks of a good troll I guess.
Dude it's a grinder, what would you expect, banana-o-rama party 2.0?
Aion told everyone it wasn't a grinder.
Everyone told everyone else (who already knew from Aion) that Aion wasn't a grinder.
Now everyone, having been told by everyone that Aion wasn't a grinder told the rest, you know, that it wasn't a grinder.
Then, Aion launched.
Remember WAR?
Barnett told everyone it was supergreat no-CC-massive skill-based-free-RvR.
Everyone told everyone else (who already knew from Barnett) that WAR was supergreat n-c-m-s-b-f-RvR.
Then everyone, having been told by everyone that WAR was sncmsbfRvR told the rest, you know, that i was a sncmsbfRvR.
Then, WAR launched.
The message here... AGAIN: Don't lie. If you wanna crap a grinder on the western market, say it'll be a grinder.
M
P.S: Remember LotRO? It told everyone it was a no-PvP-casual-PvE game, it suffered flaming for 30 days and kept a steady sub-base ever since... that's the way things run...
To be fair, the levelling pace takes roughly the same amount of time that other MMOs do. Beyond that, it's up to the individual to decide whether the levelling paths provided are interesting or a "grind".
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks...
M
EDIT: Oh yea, and I KNOW it's shorter than any other asia-grinder. Which essentially does not matter, I don't do grinders and Aion proclaimed it wasn't a grinder. Don't lie to me Aion, you're a filthy little korean grinder *points finger*
Depends on the way you play and how much content you're willing to skip. In LOTRO's case I've been playing for about 8 months and haven't reached max level yet. The thing is, I didn't care about the levelling part, all I wanted was to experience the world. So I was content at doing grey quest chain lines for the sake of following the storytelling.
I'm partially doing the same thing with Aion. At this point in time I'll take a big break in order to experience Dragon Age Origin. I did the same with Risen. I'm in no hurry and I still find the pace tolerable. As I said, it's up to the individual, their priorities and the way they game.
Dont know what some tell here... but the game is still going strong... nearly all of the EU servers are full at peak times...
Our legion are still having a lot of fun! So dont know but the game is still very popular... you can especially see this by the many negative posts who try to make the game look bad - but it doesnt work - because the players who really like the game are still playing instead of posting
- also the future looks very good so far from what I have read about upcoming content...
Currently playing: Archeage
Waiting for: Black Desert
The funniest part is people responding seriously to a clearly trolling thread.
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-Lots of other settings
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What level is your main on Aion?
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks..
You'll max him in 3 weeks because you know all the content. You're also grinding content, skipping a lot of time looking for groups and such. Bottom line is, at level 45+, I still have yet to be forced to grind. I've had content constantly at my fingertips, less than a month of playing and already almost max level? Get serious with this "Korean grinder" shit. It's a korean game, sure. MMOs have been based around grind since I can remember and Aion covers it up as well as any one on the west, easily. My first couple weeks of EQ2 in comparison to Aion, I was maybe mid 30s, and the max level is what? I'm 5 levels from max on here? Yeahhh buddy.
You know people, nuff said.
When I played lotro, I was in a few months and I had basically 1 of each class at around lvl20. I usually do that in games, I like playing everything and end up making 1 of each class if I can. Im doing that with Aion. I have no interest in endgame exactly, by that I mean I have no interest in getting there. I have 8 characters, 4 per faction on 2 servers that I am playing. My 'main' if you could call it that, is 25, and I havent been forced to grind yet, in fact, I just came to the level you really start getting into dungeon crawling for what people have been saying its great XP gains. I also couldnt accept any quests in the Abyss yet, because my quest log is full. But I also play my other characters, I think it just adds value tbh, it might take ages to get one of them to 50, but I will have enjoyed way more then most people do on their rushed journey to 50.
Anyway, how is Aion doing? Lets just say, an agoraphobic would go insane in this game, to say the least. Thats my experience.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks..
You'll max him in 3 weeks because you know all the content. You're also grinding content, skipping a lot of time looking for groups and such. Bottom line is, at level 45+, I still have yet to be forced to grind. I've had content constantly at my fingertips, less than a month of playing and already almost max level? Get serious with this "Korean grinder" shit. It's a korean game, sure. MMOs have been based around grind since I can remember and Aion covers it up as well as any one on the west, easily. My first couple weeks of EQ2 in comparison to Aion, I was maybe mid 30s, and the max level is what? I'm 5 levels from max on here? Yeahhh buddy.
You know people, nuff said.
This is the biggest load in this thread. You played and loved L2 didn't you?
At 45 you ARE forced to grind, please explain what quests you are banging out to level without grinding? Yeah, Nuff Said.
Please detail what group content you are doing that is better exp(Because Aion loves grouping) than focused solo grinding in Theo? Yeah, Nuff Said.
Please explain how running the same instance for the next 50-80 game hours, or killing the same mobs in Theo is a "good" cover for Aions grind? Yeah, Nuff said.
I've got a RL buddy, level 45, he has been botting for over a week now ... he is almost 48. Mind you thats 24 hour non-stop solo grinding.
Post your character link please, I and others are plenty high into the 40's and the one thing NO ONE 40+ contends is : Aion is a Grinder. If you think the grind ends at 50 then you are off your rocker.
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks..
You'll max him in 3 weeks because you know all the content. You're also grinding content, skipping a lot of time looking for groups and such. Bottom line is, at level 45+, I still have yet to be forced to grind. I've had content constantly at my fingertips, less than a month of playing and already almost max level? Get serious with this "Korean grinder" shit. It's a korean game, sure. MMOs have been based around grind since I can remember and Aion covers it up as well as any one on the west, easily. My first couple weeks of EQ2 in comparison to Aion, I was maybe mid 30s, and the max level is what? I'm 5 levels from max on here? Yeahhh buddy.
You know people, nuff said.
There is really no point to argue - you'll just be called a liar and you dont know what your talking about because this forum is well... shit.
That said - I also haven't grinded AT ALL and the game is very fun and rich for me. Of course - I actually do things the game was designed to do... group, craft, run instances, etc.. If you solo the entire game, you might have problems with content. Right now - I have so many quests to do I don't know which to start first.. not to mention the instances I want to run daily and how much XP I get from doing it.
The game is NOT an asian grinder - everyone who says that are just repeating other people. A real asian grinder would have NO ONE even close to level cap by now - yes you heard me - even people playing 24/7 on a real asian grinder wouldn't be even close to cap... and now we have what.. 350+ people at cap? 6 weeks after the game was released?
People should just stfu if they don't like it and stop talking bullshit. Just because YOU can't level in this game quickly doesn't mean the game is a grinder and it sucks. Everyone I know is having an absolute blast in Aion but these guys have the "zomg I MUST get to 50 so I can "play" the game" instead of just playing to have fun. You can do so much 25+. The worst gap is easily 20-25 IMO... they should really add an instance in this block as once you leave BC/Krall at 18 you don't have much until 25 (which is where most people find it boring). I can certainly understand that and NCSoft should correct it...
/flame away haters...
There are not enough quests to level to cap. Period.
I never said you couldn't have FUN in Aion while grinding, whatever you want to grind, mobs, instances, PvEvP content...
But you can't, repeat, you can't log in, start doing quests and level up to 50 by doing quests. You have to grind.
And I never said it was near Lineage or any other grinder. I just said it was a grinder. And a grinder it is, compared to games like WoW, LotRo, EQ2...
AND: How you or I play doesn't matter. I said playing 4 hours avg, 1 character, doing things that make you gain XP, it was not about 'I know people', it was about '2 guys I know, and i do know them well enough to make an informed statement concerning their leveling speed'
M
Have to quote this. You know there are people that actually want to do an instance like... once or twice, and then stop doing it again?
I don't blame you, it's just that this statement alone reveals how much your mindset accepts 'grinding instances' as granted.
M
P.S: Have you ever played WAR or LotRO, that's what I consider 'no grind'.
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks...
M
EDIT: Oh yea, and I KNOW it's shorter than any other asia-grinder. Which essentially does not matter, I don't do grinders and Aion proclaimed it wasn't a grinder. Don't lie to me Aion, you're a filthy little korean grinder *points finger*
Grinder is a very subjective statement and also relative. Relative to Lineage 2 then Aion is not a grinder but compared to ez-mode typical western MMORPGs it is.
Besides, I dont see the big difference between grinding 100k mobs or doing 1000 quests which each requires you to kill 50 mobs.
Sure you kill less mobs with quests but it is has other tedious stages like go from point X to point Y and kill 10 mobs and then come back to NPC and then go to another spot X and Y and collect 5 fruits or whatever.
I mean quests dont make any sense in a persistent world-sharing MMO anyway so I dont see how it adds any experience by having a ton of single player type quests that does not affect the world as whole anyway.
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Have to quote this. You know there are people that actually want to do an instance like... once or twice, and then stop doing it again?
I don't blame you, it's just that this statement alone reveals how much your mindset accepts 'grinding instances' as granted.
M
P.S: Have you ever played WAR or LotRO, that's what I consider 'no grind'.
For the record, I've played WAR, LOTRO, WoW, and about 20 other MMO's...
I used to "grind" instances in WoW too... I used to "grind" BG's (scenario's/whatever the hell they are called in WAR). Now THAT was a boring grind... yes - I know you can level straight from 1 (maybe 3... whatever it was) - but it was still boring as all hell IN MY OPINION.
See what Im saying? Grind is relative. I hated the grind in WAR - but I like the grind in Aion. Every MMO has a grind... EVERY... ONE.... LOTRO is probably the least grindy of them all that's because I can click my heels together and be 40. Seriously... when I play a game and Im level 18 in a few hours /played time that feels very boring for me and gives me no sense of accomplishment. This is of course all just my opinion but that's why I stopped playing LOTRO (although it is a very good game).
And you are 100% correct. You cannot quest straight from level 1 to level 50... I totally agree with you. You CAN however, level fine without "grinding" mobs for levels on end like some posters here try to lead others to believe (not you - but read around it's there). If you mix it up, there's no problem gaining levels. To tell you the truth - I find the first 30 levels in Aion EASIER than in WAR - that could be due to many reasons.... the only one I can think of is doing those PVP Scenarios were so incredibly boring that I hated leveling up... and I needed to run more and more of those every tier to advance.
All just my opinion - but that's the whole point... the "grind" and game - is what you make of it
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks...
M
EDIT: Oh yea, and I KNOW it's shorter than any other asia-grinder. Which essentially does not matter, I don't do grinders and Aion proclaimed it wasn't a grinder. Don't lie to me Aion, you're a filthy little korean grinder *points finger*
Grinder is a very subjective statement and also relative. Relative to Lineage 2 then Aion is not a grinder but compared to ez-mode typical western MMORPGs it is.
Besides, I dont see the big difference between grinding 100k mobs or doing 1000 quests which each requires you to kill 50 mobs.
Sure you kill less mobs with quests but it is has other tedious stages like go from point X to point Y and kill 10 mobs and then come back to NPC and then go to another spot X and Y and collect 5 fruits or whatever.
I mean quests dont make any sense in a persistent world-sharing MMO anyway so I dont see how it adds any experience by having a ton of single player type quests that does not affect the world as whole anyway.
No no, you don't get it. I don't want to bash grinders. Grinders are fine, korean people like grinders, some western people like grinders, good for you.
I just want games to be announced right. The original discussion was: How is Aion-> a not-definable number of people are leaving -> why is that? -> maybe because they weren't honest in the first place. They should've said 'We're gonna release a grinder'. Instead they said something like 'yea you know we have Aion in Korea and we revamped it to fit western standards and now it's no grinder at all'.... .. which was a lie, and lies don't pay off.
M
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks...
M
EDIT: Oh yea, and I KNOW it's shorter than any other asia-grinder. Which essentially does not matter, I don't do grinders and Aion proclaimed it wasn't a grinder. Don't lie to me Aion, you're a filthy little korean grinder *points finger*
Grinder is a very subjective statement and also relative. Relative to Lineage 2 then Aion is not a grinder but compared to ez-mode typical western MMORPGs it is.
Besides, I dont see the big difference between grinding 100k mobs or doing 1000 quests which each requires you to kill 50 mobs.
Sure you kill less mobs with quests but it is has other tedious stages like go from point X to point Y and kill 10 mobs and then come back to NPC and then go to another spot X and Y and collect 5 fruits or whatever.
I mean quests dont make any sense in a persistent world-sharing MMO anyway so I dont see how it adds any experience by having a ton of single player type quests that does not affect the world as whole anyway.
No no, you don't get it. I don't want to bash grinders. Grinders are fine, korean people like grinders, some western people like grinders, good for you.
I just want games to be announced right. The original discussion was: How is Aion-> a not-definable number of people are leaving -> why is that? -> maybe because they weren't honest in the first place. They should've said 'We're gonna release a grinder'. Instead they said something like 'yea you know we have Aion in Korea and we revamped it to fit western standards and now it's no grinder at all'.... .. which was a lie, and lies don't pay off.
M
You don't get it.... define "grind"? Its relative...
It isn't a grinder... a grinder is L2.... A grinder takes a YEAR to get to max level - no matter how many hours the person plays every day.
There's already 350+ people at 50 in Aion... how is that a grinder? If this was a REAL grinder these people wouldn't be past 35... seriously.... Im so tired of this argument - if you think its a grinder then DONT PLAY IT....
Can you level to 50 in a few weeks? No - it takes about 300 hours played - give or take... casuals won't hit level cap until 4-5 months of play time... that's fine. It was like that in EQ1. In FACT - it was pretty much like that in Vanilla WoW too. About a month after release, people were hitting level cap. The same in Aion....
I don't even want to touch the subject of "these 50's are all bots" because its complete rubbish. Most all the 50's right now are real players - I'm sure some are bots too... but majority are just hardcore players who burn through the game ASAP and then bitch there's nothing to do at 50.
Its impossible to please some people
Have to quote this. You know there are people that actually want to do an instance like... once or twice, and then stop doing it again?
I don't blame you, it's just that this statement alone reveals how much your mindset accepts 'grinding instances' as granted.
M
P.S: Have you ever played WAR or LotRO, that's what I consider 'no grind'.
For the record, I've played WAR, LOTRO, WoW, and about 20 other MMO's...
I used to "grind" instances in WoW too... I used to "grind" BG's (scenario's/whatever the hell they are called in WAR). Now THAT was a boring grind... yes - I know you can level straight from 1 (maybe 3... whatever it was) - but it was still boring as all hell IN MY OPINION.
See what Im saying? Grind is relative. I hated the grind in WAR - but I like the grind in Aion. Every MMO has a grind... EVERY... ONE.... LOTRO is probably the least grindy of them all that's because I can click my heels together and be 40. Seriously... when I play a game and Im level 18 in a few hours /played time that feels very boring for me and gives me no sense of accomplishment. This is of course all just my opinion but that's why I stopped playing LOTRO (although it is a very good game).
And you are 100% correct. You cannot quest straight from level 1 to level 50... I totally agree with you. You CAN however, level fine without "grinding" mobs for levels on end like some posters here try to lead others to believe (not you - but read around it's there). If you mix it up, there's no problem gaining levels. To tell you the truth - I find the first 30 levels in Aion EASIER than in WAR - that could be due to many reasons.... the only one I can think of is doing those PVP Scenarios were so incredibly boring that I hated leveling up... and I needed to run more and more of those every tier to advance.
All just my opinion - but that's the whole point... the "grind" and game - is what you make of it
I pretty much agree here, the train of thought was just... well, see my statement above
They just were not honest about what the game on the western market would be imo.
Positive example here is LotRO. They said what the game would be, never trying to be everybody's darling. So people could make informed choices and not buy it in the first place. But Aion seriously suggested, and people carried this on and on, it would be adapted to the western MMO concept while it was spiced with some quests but stayed essentially the same.
M
@Cammy: Well, I've played WoW in it's classic days and i played my usual timeframe (2 hrs/day) back then. And my char was 60 before the scholomance was released, so that would be 3, 4 weeks (EDIT: GERMAN release, mid February 2005)
Have to quote this. You know there are people that actually want to do an instance like... once or twice, and then stop doing it again?
I don't blame you, it's just that this statement alone reveals how much your mindset accepts 'grinding instances' as granted.
M
P.S: Have you ever played WAR or LotRO, that's what I consider 'no grind'.
For the record, I've played WAR, LOTRO, WoW, and about 20 other MMO's...
I used to "grind" instances in WoW too... I used to "grind" BG's (scenario's/whatever the hell they are called in WAR). Now THAT was a boring grind... yes - I know you can level straight from 1 (maybe 3... whatever it was) - but it was still boring as all hell IN MY OPINION.
See what Im saying? Grind is relative. I hated the grind in WAR - but I like the grind in Aion. Every MMO has a grind... EVERY... ONE.... LOTRO is probably the least grindy of them all that's because I can click my heels together and be 40. Seriously... when I play a game and Im level 18 in a few hours /played time that feels very boring for me and gives me no sense of accomplishment. This is of course all just my opinion but that's why I stopped playing LOTRO (although it is a very good game).
And you are 100% correct. You cannot quest straight from level 1 to level 50... I totally agree with you. You CAN however, level fine without "grinding" mobs for levels on end like some posters here try to lead others to believe (not you - but read around it's there). If you mix it up, there's no problem gaining levels. To tell you the truth - I find the first 30 levels in Aion EASIER than in WAR - that could be due to many reasons.... the only one I can think of is doing those PVP Scenarios were so incredibly boring that I hated leveling up... and I needed to run more and more of those every tier to advance.
All just my opinion - but that's the whole point... the "grind" and game - is what you make of it
I pretty much agree here, the train of thought was just... well, see my statement above
They just were not honest about what the game on the western market would be imo.
Positive example here is LotRO. They said what the game would be, never trying to be everybody's darling. So people could make informed choices and not buy it in the first place. But Aion seriously suggested, and people carried this on and on, it would be adapted to the western MMO concept while it was spiced with some quests but stayed essentially the same.
M
@Cammy: Well, I've played WoW in it's classic days and i played my usual timeframe (2 hrs/day) back then. And my char was 60 before the scholomance was released, so that would be 3, 4 weeks (EDIT: GERMAN release, mid February 2005)
2 hours a day? So you're telling me you hit level cap in Vanilla WoW in... 60 hours /played?
I call bullshit.... You'd be lucky to hit 48-60 in that time span....
BTW Im not saying "you are a liar" - Im more saying that you mis-calculated your time. There's no way you hit 60 in Vanilla WoW in 60 hours played... it was roughly 10 days /played when the game first came out... 7-8 days played for the people who KNEW what they were doing and knew where all the quests were...
Sorry - I just can't agree with you on this one M
Wait a second! - I know people (namely two close friends) who play an average of 3-5 hours per day and have started when the game launched 6 weeks ago. They have hit level 39 and 38 as of yesterday.
I don't know about your specification of 'roughly' or 'other MMO'; but compared to western standards it takes multiple times longer while not providing nearly as many quests as necessary to not grind.
Even on EQ2, which is a little on the chewing gum side of leveling, I'd cut a damage dealer to max level in about 4, 5 weeks with an 4 hour/day average.
If I start one on LotRO (which is - granted - one of the faster ones) I'll max him in 3 weeks...
M
EDIT: Oh yea, and I KNOW it's shorter than any other asia-grinder. Which essentially does not matter, I don't do grinders and Aion proclaimed it wasn't a grinder. Don't lie to me Aion, you're a filthy little korean grinder *points finger*
Grinder is a very subjective statement and also relative. Relative to Lineage 2 then Aion is not a grinder but compared to ez-mode typical western MMORPGs it is.
Besides, I dont see the big difference between grinding 100k mobs or doing 1000 quests which each requires you to kill 50 mobs.
Sure you kill less mobs with quests but it is has other tedious stages like go from point X to point Y and kill 10 mobs and then come back to NPC and then go to another spot X and Y and collect 5 fruits or whatever.
I mean quests dont make any sense in a persistent world-sharing MMO anyway so I dont see how it adds any experience by having a ton of single player type quests that does not affect the world as whole anyway.
No no, you don't get it. I don't want to bash grinders. Grinders are fine, korean people like grinders, some western people like grinders, good for you.
I just want games to be announced right. The original discussion was: How is Aion-> a not-definable number of people are leaving -> why is that? -> maybe because they weren't honest in the first place. They should've said 'We're gonna release a grinder'. Instead they said something like 'yea you know we have Aion in Korea and we revamped it to fit western standards and now it's no grinder at all'.... .. which was a lie, and lies don't pay off.
M
You don't get it.... define "grind"? Its relative...
It isn't a grinder... a grinder is L2.... A grinder takes a YEAR to get to max level - no matter how many hours the person plays every day.
There's already 350+ people at 50 in Aion... how is that a grinder? If this was a REAL grinder these people wouldn't be past 35... seriously.... Im so tired of this argument - if you think its a grinder then DONT PLAY IT....
Can you level to 50 in a few weeks? No - it takes about 300 hours played - give or take... casuals won't hit level cap until 4-5 months of play time... that's fine. It was like that in EQ1. In FACT - it was pretty much like that in Vanilla WoW too. About a month after release, people were hitting level cap. The same in Aion....
I don't even want to touch the subject of "these 50's are all bots" because its complete rubbish. Most all the 50's right now are real players - I'm sure some are bots too... but majority are just hardcore players who burn through the game ASAP and then bitch there's nothing to do at 50.
Its impossible to please some peop
You really are missing the point arn't you? You really think the majority of us consider this a grinder due to the amount of time needed to get to cap? Which is exactly why you lost the arguement before you even started, your comphrension of the issue is nill.
It's a grinder :
1. You must do the same instances/elite area over and over for group exp. I am not even going to mention the drop rates for gear inside the instances, do about five minutes of research on the subject, 100+ times for a statistical drop IS. A. GRIND.
2. In order to increase you experience in the best possible way, you must fight solo... nonstop on the same mobs in one zone. One location is where you will/should be killing mobs for 60-80 hours ( at the least ). Sounds like a grind, looks like a grind, ITS. A. GRIND.
3. Quests dry up at 37, every level after that you recieve a handful... which only ever amount to somewhere between 5-15% of the experience required to level. You get to pick from the choices above me to finish that level.. which means, once again : ITS. A. GRIND.
Whats the diffrence between this and any other Western MMO? How well the grind is disguised... Period. A game classified as a grinder is typically one whos leveling curve is poorly developed, lacks content, or is massively repetitive in nature. You are not "hardcore" for enjoying a grinder, I am not "WoWish" for detesting it... its a diffrent mindset completely; I've allready spent 10 years in MMO's with the mindset " If I work now, I can have fun with it later", I and many others are past that.. we have "Matured". I want fun... from level 1 to level 100, if you can't provide that then I will not pay you my money.
Aion is not a "bad" game, its just not enjoyable for me... while you have just as much right to praise it, I will excerise my right to harp on its failings.
Aion is not a bad game, its just a grinder. The PvP is a joke too btw.. but thats for a diffrent thread. Guess I am just impossible to please though, right?
It just feels to me that the people that hate on games in these forums are trying real hard to convince the people that like them into hating them too. Ok, you dont like Aion, we get it. Is it really that important to shove your feelings in people's faces? Is it really that important to you to try and make us think "hmm hes right the game is shit, im quitting"? people will play whatever they like, and there is nothing you can do about it. Flaming games you dont play is just childish. you dont like it, dont play it and move on.
its just pathetic imo.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
1-35 is weak that is not a grind at all you ou can easily hit 1-35 in a 10 days infact i seen someone do it. 35 + Becomes a grind and ill be honest it is slow right now, but it will imrpove when 1.5.1 comes out and quest XP for 36 + quest are great increased basically tripleing the amount of xp from most non campaign 36 + quest. This patch is slated to go live in November and hopefully it will help people out.
On another note the grind isnt as bad as some hype it to be. At lv 39 solo grinding it took me 15 hrs of gameplay to level and this was with a cleric not a sorc or ranger or assasin. If you can do more then 1 level in 24 hrs played that is not something that is hard to me at all. The problem is all you carbears wanna group up and do stupid ass quest or FT or other instances that drop gold items but give you SHIT XP. Go solo you will be amazed at the xp rate.