I think it's a good idea. Give incentive to current players. Not to mention this form of marketing can be wildly more successful than typical marketing. People trust those who already are playing and other gamers more than banners and just billboard type advertisement.
Hilarious, they used their F&F'rs to do their viral marketing before launch. Now that most of the original F&F'rs have moved on theyre trying to pay the new ones to do it now? Thats beautiful.
Frankly no matter how the F&F'rs try to spin it, you can still smell the dead rat under the fridge.
Well I agree with Zorvan that this is a disgusting attempt to have decent honest folk like myself shill the game for child slave worker wages and I refuse to be a part of this immoral and depraved plan masterminded by the evil Tasos!
Having said that,
Click the link below or the kitten gets it see, and any squealers to the MODs will get swiss cheesed see?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I think its quite clever offering money for getting people to join lots of companies do this kind of thing.
However one way that always interested me was instead of a lump payment have every person you sign up create a discount on your monthly fee aslong as they stay subscribed.
i,e i sign up 1 person and get a $1.50 a month discount as long as they stay subscribed
so if i can sign up 10 people I can play for free
then obviously those 10 people will try and do the same
The problem with lump sums or a free month is you get someone to join and then there is no requirment to keep them interested in the game
I think its quite clever offering money for getting people to join lots of companies do this kind of thing. However one way that always interested me was instead of a lump payment have every person you sign up create a discount on your monthly fee aslong as they stay subscribed. i,e i sign up 1 person and get a $1.50 a month discount as long as they stay subscribed so if i can sign up 10 people I can play for free then obviously those 10 people will try and do the same The problem with lump sums or a free month is you get someone to join and then there is no requirment to keep them interested in the game
I think most people are more interested in the cold hard cash. Also with paypal you can transfer it right to your bank account.
I remember when self publishing (EVE) was considered desperation and doomed to total failure as players wouldn't want to download the game and prefer to have a box with a disc. Well opinions have changed on that and offering your game by download is no longer a big deal, in fact it seems to work well.
This community publishing is a very different take on the buddy key program, no one is being employed by AV to sell the game. AV are offering incentives to advertise it, you advertise and no one buys it through you you get nothing (in my country there's a minimum working wage to be officialy employed). If people purchase the game through you the playerbase grows, AV makes money and you get a cut.
In my opinion employment requires a base wage each month and the goverment need to be notified (legaly). This is voluntary work with incentives for success, it maybe a fine line for some but this is from a legal stand point in most civilized countries.
Also i think it works well for AV because it's like putting up an advertisement but only having tio pay for it if it works, and then you pay based on how well it worked.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
There are many different criteria in as many different countries each one different (within the EU there are standardised laws, although some countries still have the ability to add to those laws but they can not amend or ignore them independantly). Zorvan knows full well that he's talking shit and is waiting for someone to waste their time to check it out and call him on it.
The incentive of giving cash over game time and it's relation to employment is largely irrelevant as method of payment has little bearing on the actual employment status of an individual. At the very, very most basic level there is no contract between the 'banner bearer' and AV and you are not in any condition where you can declare statutory employment. At the very best (whilst still not being the case) you would argue 3rd party employment (or your area specific version) but under those conditions they would still not be liable for anything other than injury while in service on their premisis, which they would be liable for under any condition.
If employ an electrician to fix my lights, he cant take legal action against me once the work is completed just because he can't find more work, he can't argue with me for minimum wage beyond the agreed price for the work just because it took him longer than he intended.
Seriously I have no issue with slagging off AV and DF, in fact I would encourage it, but there really is quite enough ammunition without having to talk out your arse.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
I remember when self publishing (EVE) was considered desperation and doomed to total failure as players wouldn't want to download the game and prefer to have a box with a disc. Well opinions have changed on that and offering your game by download is no longer a big deal, in fact it seems to work well.
You forgot to mention that EvE was available on the shelves in a box with a disc at Release, and it was in fact; NOT self-published at Release. There was also a good deal of advertising done for EvE at launch. That was the case for the first 7 months for EvE after which they re-purchased the rights and went the self-publishing, digital release method.
Well I agree with Zorvan that this is a disgusting attempt to have decent honest folk like myself shill the game for child slave worker wages and I refuse to be a part of this immoral and depraved plan masterminded by the evil Tasos!
Having said that,
Click the link below or the kitten gets it see, and any squealers to the MODs will get swiss cheesed see?
This is getting out of hand i'm calling the S.W.A.T
I remember when self publishing (EVE) was considered desperation and doomed to total failure as players wouldn't want to download the game and prefer to have a box with a disc. Well opinions have changed on that and offering your game by download is no longer a big deal, in fact it seems to work well. This community publishing is a very different take on the buddy key program, no one is being employed by AV to sell the game. AV are offering incentives to advertise it, you advertise and no one buys it through you you get nothing (in my country there's a minimum working wage to be officialy employed). If people purchase the game through you the playerbase grows, AV makes money and you get a cut. In my opinion employment requires a base wage each month and the goverment need to be notified (legaly). This is voluntary work with incentives for success, it maybe a fine line for some but this is from a legal stand point in most civilized countries. Also i think it works well for AV because it's like putting up an advertisement but only having tio pay for it if it works, and then you pay based on how well it worked.
Ag, volunteers don't get paid, employees do. Free game time, ingame items, posters and shit like that are "incentives". Cash is "payment". And I'm not speaking on behalf of other countries than my own. It may be "legal" in many parts of the world, but here in the U.S. Tasos is creating a class-action lawyer's dream come true.
And it doesn't matter to me that it's Darkfall doing this. I'd be arguing the same with any other mmo company dumb enough to do something like this. I actually applaud Tasos for finally doing something to try to market his game. It's the way he's doing it that's stupid.
AV can't even advertise their game without stirring up the community. You have to wonder if they sit around trying to think of weird, pathetic ways to get attention.
But the forum entertainment value of this game continues, so that's a plus.
AV can't even advertise their game without stirring up the community. You have to wonder if they sit around trying to think of weird, pathetic ways to get attention. But the forum entertainment value of this game continues, so that's a plus.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
AV can't even advertise their game without stirring up the community. You have to wonder if they sit around trying to think of weird, pathetic ways to get attention. But the forum entertainment value of this game continues, so that's a plus.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
I had a link to download the EVE client for a year or so while I played it in my sig but was never warned about that. If someone mentioned me and that I'd refered them I'd have an incentive but I guess it's the thought of us getting cash means the line has been crossed. I'm not being paid to advertise anything BTW, I'm being rewarded if I refer new players to DFO. No different than the many buddy key threads on many game forums on this site.
Hipocrsy in my opinion but this isn't my site so I have to play by their rules.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
AV can't even advertise their game without stirring up the community. You have to wonder if they sit around trying to think of weird, pathetic ways to get attention. But the forum entertainment value of this game continues, so that's a plus.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
I had a link to download the EVE client for a year or so while I played it in my sig but was never warned about that. If someone mentioned me and that I'd refered them I'd have an incentive but I guess it's the thought of us getting cash means the line has been crossed. I'm not being paid to advertise anything BTW, I'm being rewarded if I refer new players to DFO. No different than the many buddy key threads on many game forums on this site.
Hipocrsy in my opinion but this isn't my site so I have to play by their rules.
Referral links and referral links, whether they are issued by Aventurine or Baby Jesus himself.
As far as I know, EVE Online's affiliate program is aimed towards websites and blogs, while Darkfall's referral program is structured more towards regular users.
The last thing I want to see on this site is a storm of referral links, Darkfall, EVE or otherwise.
AV can't even advertise their game without stirring up the community. You have to wonder if they sit around trying to think of weird, pathetic ways to get attention. But the forum entertainment value of this game continues, so that's a plus.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
I had a link to download the EVE client for a year or so while I played it in my sig but was never warned about that. If someone mentioned me and that I'd refered them I'd have an incentive but I guess it's the thought of us getting cash means the line has been crossed. I'm not being paid to advertise anything BTW, I'm being rewarded if I refer new players to DFO. No different than the many buddy key threads on many game forums on this site.
Hipocrsy in my opinion but this isn't my site so I have to play by their rules.
A link to download the client isn't a referral link, since it is not tied to you. Had your Eve sig been a direct referral link, it would have been removed in the same way as the ones for Darkfall and any other referral link. It's not hypocracy, in fact it the exact opposite. Hypocracy would be allowing Darkfall referral links when they are not allowed for any other game.
So what do you guys think of the threads that get created for handing out buddy keys? Would a thread for putting your link for the DF community publishing program be any different?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
So what do you guys think of the threads that get created for handing out buddy keys? Would a thread for putting your link for the DF community publishing program be any different?
Problem is, you don't have buddy keys to give out. All you'd have is a thread full of referral links.
The problems are that referral links are prohibited, so they'd have to allow an exception for that thread, which opens the can of worms of "There's referral links all through that thread there, so don't tell me I can't have referral links over here.", and that a thread full of referral links means people just click on the first one they see, which significantly lowers the chances of most others getting a hit. Whereas buddy keys are usually limited in amount to each player, so everyone has a good chance of getting their's used.
But I have no problem with it being relegated to one special thread in the Darkfall section if mmorpg.com decides to give one to you. That's their decision.
So what do you guys think of the threads that get created for handing out buddy keys? Would a thread for putting your link for the DF community publishing program be any different?
Problem is, you don't have buddy keys to give out. All you'd have is a thread full of referral links.
The problems are that referral links are prohibited, so they'd have to allow an exception for that thread, which opens the can of worms of "There's referral links all through that thread there, so don't tell me I can't have refferal links over here.", and that a thread full of referal links means people just click on the first one they see, which significantly lowers the chances of most others getting a hit. Whereas buddy keys are usually limited in amount to each player, so everyone has a good chance of getting there's used.
But I have no problem with it being relegated to one special thread if mmorpg.com decides to give one to you. That's their decision.
I agree with you about it not being allowed and perhaps a dangerous thing to try, though mmorpg.com could stop it if it got out of hand. I understand there is no doubt a distinction between a refferal link and a advert for a buddy key, just I personally don't see it as a big enough difference to cause a fuss over.
I think creating a thread on these forums for these referal links and only allowing them in there might be a good compromise? However it's up to MMORPG.com and if they don't want them at all then I'm fine with that. I was just interested in exploring an idea and looking for compromises.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
MMORPG.com is jealous for not get big piece of DF advertising campaign ?
How has MMORPG.com treated DF over the years ?
"and justice for" MMORPG.com.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
MMORPG.com is jealous for not get big piece of DF advertising campaign ? How has MMORPG.com treated DF over the years ? "and justice for" MMORPG.com.
Oh, please. Get a grip. It's the same rules that apply to every other game here. So get off your "Darkfall is a victim" airplane, 'cause it ain't going to fly. Nobody is jealous of your game or it's devs. Trust me on that.
Careful talking about this. MMORPG.com isn't getting their chunk of change, so you can't talk about it or link it. It's amazing how many people use this site, when this site is just amount raking in $$
And Darkfall is not about raking in $$? The whole point of the referral program is so Tasos has more baklava money. Which is very delicious btw.
nice to see the rabid DF haters are still stuck in the same rut of obsessively posting in DF forums almost a year later. hahahahahahahahahahah. DF must be doing alot right to piss off people to such an insane degree. someday you haters will be able to break free of this addiction and stop letting Darkfall rule your spare time. lol somebody needs to develop a 12 step program for these.........individuals. 8)
they're just waiting for a game to come out that's easier than WoW, has less system requirements, gives you max level in a day, is free2play, and lets you start off with epic shiny armor right from character creation screen. Oh, and make sure it has tab target, having to aim is such an annoying feature.
A community publishing program is not a brilliant idea, hell nowhere near a GOOD idea, if it causes you to alienate the sites which you use as advertising. But, then again, the folks are Aventurine seem incapable of determining what is a good and bad idea and have fallen on the stupid side of the fence.
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I think it's a good idea. Give incentive to current players. Not to mention this form of marketing can be wildly more successful than typical marketing. People trust those who already are playing and other gamers more than banners and just billboard type advertisement.
Hilarious, they used their F&F'rs to do their viral marketing before launch. Now that most of the original F&F'rs have moved on theyre trying to pay the new ones to do it now? Thats beautiful.
Frankly no matter how the F&F'rs try to spin it, you can still smell the dead rat under the fridge.
Well I agree with Zorvan that this is a disgusting attempt to have decent honest folk like myself shill the game for child slave worker wages and I refuse to be a part of this immoral and depraved plan masterminded by the evil Tasos!
Having said that,
Click the link below or the kitten gets it see, and any squealers to the MODs will get swiss cheesed see?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I think its quite clever offering money for getting people to join lots of companies do this kind of thing.
However one way that always interested me was instead of a lump payment have every person you sign up create a discount on your monthly fee aslong as they stay subscribed.
i,e i sign up 1 person and get a $1.50 a month discount as long as they stay subscribed
so if i can sign up 10 people I can play for free
then obviously those 10 people will try and do the same
The problem with lump sums or a free month is you get someone to join and then there is no requirment to keep them interested in the game
I think most people are more interested in the cold hard cash. Also with paypal you can transfer it right to your bank account.
For promoting their game? The way they are going about IMO is genius, considering they're just a small independent developer.
If you want to see what desperation tactics really look like, head over to warhammeronline.com
I remember when self publishing (EVE) was considered desperation and doomed to total failure as players wouldn't want to download the game and prefer to have a box with a disc. Well opinions have changed on that and offering your game by download is no longer a big deal, in fact it seems to work well.
This community publishing is a very different take on the buddy key program, no one is being employed by AV to sell the game. AV are offering incentives to advertise it, you advertise and no one buys it through you you get nothing (in my country there's a minimum working wage to be officialy employed). If people purchase the game through you the playerbase grows, AV makes money and you get a cut.
In my opinion employment requires a base wage each month and the goverment need to be notified (legaly). This is voluntary work with incentives for success, it maybe a fine line for some but this is from a legal stand point in most civilized countries.
Also i think it works well for AV because it's like putting up an advertisement but only having tio pay for it if it works, and then you pay based on how well it worked.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
There are many different criteria in as many different countries each one different (within the EU there are standardised laws, although some countries still have the ability to add to those laws but they can not amend or ignore them independantly). Zorvan knows full well that he's talking shit and is waiting for someone to waste their time to check it out and call him on it.
The incentive of giving cash over game time and it's relation to employment is largely irrelevant as method of payment has little bearing on the actual employment status of an individual. At the very, very most basic level there is no contract between the 'banner bearer' and AV and you are not in any condition where you can declare statutory employment. At the very best (whilst still not being the case) you would argue 3rd party employment (or your area specific version) but under those conditions they would still not be liable for anything other than injury while in service on their premisis, which they would be liable for under any condition.
If employ an electrician to fix my lights, he cant take legal action against me once the work is completed just because he can't find more work, he can't argue with me for minimum wage beyond the agreed price for the work just because it took him longer than he intended.
Seriously I have no issue with slagging off AV and DF, in fact I would encourage it, but there really is quite enough ammunition without having to talk out your arse.
-----
The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
You forgot to mention that EvE was available on the shelves in a box with a disc at Release, and it was in fact; NOT self-published at Release. There was also a good deal of advertising done for EvE at launch. That was the case for the first 7 months for EvE after which they re-purchased the rights and went the self-publishing, digital release method.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online
DarkFall on the other hand has never been available on the shelf in a box.
Just thought it important to make sure everyone has the facts.
This is getting out of hand i'm calling the S.W.A.T
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
Ag, volunteers don't get paid, employees do. Free game time, ingame items, posters and shit like that are "incentives". Cash is "payment". And I'm not speaking on behalf of other countries than my own. It may be "legal" in many parts of the world, but here in the U.S. Tasos is creating a class-action lawyer's dream come true.
And it doesn't matter to me that it's Darkfall doing this. I'd be arguing the same with any other mmo company dumb enough to do something like this. I actually applaud Tasos for finally doing something to try to market his game. It's the way he's doing it that's stupid.
AV can't even advertise their game without stirring up the community. You have to wonder if they sit around trying to think of weird, pathetic ways to get attention.
But the forum entertainment value of this game continues, so that's a plus.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
I had a link to download the EVE client for a year or so while I played it in my sig but was never warned about that. If someone mentioned me and that I'd refered them I'd have an incentive but I guess it's the thought of us getting cash means the line has been crossed. I'm not being paid to advertise anything BTW, I'm being rewarded if I refer new players to DFO. No different than the many buddy key threads on many game forums on this site.
Hipocrsy in my opinion but this isn't my site so I have to play by their rules.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
I had a link to download the EVE client for a year or so while I played it in my sig but was never warned about that. If someone mentioned me and that I'd refered them I'd have an incentive but I guess it's the thought of us getting cash means the line has been crossed. I'm not being paid to advertise anything BTW, I'm being rewarded if I refer new players to DFO. No different than the many buddy key threads on many game forums on this site.
Hipocrsy in my opinion but this isn't my site so I have to play by their rules.
Referral links and referral links, whether they are issued by Aventurine or Baby Jesus himself.
As far as I know, EVE Online's affiliate program is aimed towards websites and blogs, while Darkfall's referral program is structured more towards regular users.
The last thing I want to see on this site is a storm of referral links, Darkfall, EVE or otherwise.
The only "community" that is stirred up are the same handful of Darkfall haters. The majority of people seem to think it's a great idea.
I had a link to download the EVE client for a year or so while I played it in my sig but was never warned about that. If someone mentioned me and that I'd refered them I'd have an incentive but I guess it's the thought of us getting cash means the line has been crossed. I'm not being paid to advertise anything BTW, I'm being rewarded if I refer new players to DFO. No different than the many buddy key threads on many game forums on this site.
Hipocrsy in my opinion but this isn't my site so I have to play by their rules.
A link to download the client isn't a referral link, since it is not tied to you. Had your Eve sig been a direct referral link, it would have been removed in the same way as the ones for Darkfall and any other referral link. It's not hypocracy, in fact it the exact opposite. Hypocracy would be allowing Darkfall referral links when they are not allowed for any other game.
So what do you guys think of the threads that get created for handing out buddy keys? Would a thread for putting your link for the DF community publishing program be any different?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Problem is, you don't have buddy keys to give out. All you'd have is a thread full of referral links.
The problems are that referral links are prohibited, so they'd have to allow an exception for that thread, which opens the can of worms of "There's referral links all through that thread there, so don't tell me I can't have referral links over here.", and that a thread full of referral links means people just click on the first one they see, which significantly lowers the chances of most others getting a hit. Whereas buddy keys are usually limited in amount to each player, so everyone has a good chance of getting their's used.
But I have no problem with it being relegated to one special thread in the Darkfall section if mmorpg.com decides to give one to you. That's their decision.
Problem is, you don't have buddy keys to give out. All you'd have is a thread full of referral links.
The problems are that referral links are prohibited, so they'd have to allow an exception for that thread, which opens the can of worms of "There's referral links all through that thread there, so don't tell me I can't have refferal links over here.", and that a thread full of referal links means people just click on the first one they see, which significantly lowers the chances of most others getting a hit. Whereas buddy keys are usually limited in amount to each player, so everyone has a good chance of getting there's used.
But I have no problem with it being relegated to one special thread if mmorpg.com decides to give one to you. That's their decision.
I agree with you about it not being allowed and perhaps a dangerous thing to try, though mmorpg.com could stop it if it got out of hand. I understand there is no doubt a distinction between a refferal link and a advert for a buddy key, just I personally don't see it as a big enough difference to cause a fuss over.
I think creating a thread on these forums for these referal links and only allowing them in there might be a good compromise? However it's up to MMORPG.com and if they don't want them at all then I'm fine with that. I was just interested in exploring an idea and looking for compromises.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
MMORPG.com is jealous for not get big piece of DF advertising campaign ?
How has MMORPG.com treated DF over the years ?
"and justice for" MMORPG.com.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Oh, please. Get a grip. It's the same rules that apply to every other game here. So get off your "Darkfall is a victim" airplane, 'cause it ain't going to fly. Nobody is jealous of your game or it's devs. Trust me on that.
And Darkfall is not about raking in $$? The whole point of the referral program is so Tasos has more baklava money. Which is very delicious btw.
they're just waiting for a game to come out that's easier than WoW, has less system requirements, gives you max level in a day, is free2play, and lets you start off with epic shiny armor right from character creation screen. Oh, and make sure it has tab target, having to aim is such an annoying feature.
A community publishing program is not a brilliant idea, hell nowhere near a GOOD idea, if it causes you to alienate the sites which you use as advertising. But, then again, the folks are Aventurine seem incapable of determining what is a good and bad idea and have fallen on the stupid side of the fence.