Saying FE is a WoW clone clearly shows you don't know how to use the term.
The only thing I dislike about FE is that the crafting system is a joke.
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Originally posted by mCalvert Its the easiest comparison. Technically wow is a clone of other MMOs. What I mean is classes, leveling, auto combat, rare item drops, no death penalties, etc. FE actually is one of the lesser WOW clones Ive played, but it still copied a lot of stuff.
Caling FE a WoW clone is a joke.
Show me the classes in FE. Show me how leveling up is ANYTHING like in WoW. Hell, show me the bot you must use to make combat automatic.
It's fair enough if you want a game with risk, EVE sounds just right for you, and I can respect your opinions about the game, but calling it a WoW clone is just wrong.
This is well said and I do agree. As to your fist post if you had left out the wow clone phrase I feel your post would had been received better. When you mention wow around here the rage can be pretty bad. 0_0
I know. Its not just WOW. Some people just like to forum greif. Ive done it myself. I explained that FE being different than WOW clones is part of what I liked about it. But in the end, for me, it was still too similar. I dont like the level grind. I dont like dying with little consequences. I dont like stupid AI that i can kite and tank, etc etc. The fact that some peopel leveled to 45 in a few days after launch should say something.
This is one of the thing EVE does right. There is no end game. You will never run out of ways to improve your character. You will never have the best ship or best gear. You will always be able to attack anyone anywhere for any reason, and if you win, take their stuff. That gives life some real danger, and killing some real motivation. I just didnt get that adrenelin shot with FE.
Well, that finally explains it.... The EVE comes out of the closet. There's been a lot of EVE players coming over to FE... a lot of EVE players who are so so in love with EVE that they decided to play FE for a few months, lol.
In my 2+ years playing EVE, I never died once. Not once, not even to an NPC, lol. Many times I even slept while the game played itself. Now I like EVE every now and again to get my space fix, but I find it rather ridiculous all of these EVE players coming to FE and then trying turn it into EVE on the ground.
My advice: Stay in EVE. The FE Devs has said they are building a game they would want to play. The fact that they haven't put anything remotely similar to EVE in FE should tell you something about what they enjoy. Me and many others happen to enjoy their vision as well.
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Originally posted by mCalvert Its the easiest comparison. Technically wow is a clone of other MMOs. What I mean is classes, leveling, auto combat, rare item drops, no death penalties, etc. FE actually is one of the lesser WOW clones Ive played, but it still copied a lot of stuff.
Caling FE a WoW clone is a joke.
Show me the classes in FE. Show me how leveling up is ANYTHING like in WoW. Hell, show me the bot you must use to make combat automatic.
It's fair enough if you want a game with risk, EVE sounds just right for you, and I can respect your opinions about the game, but calling it a WoW clone is just wrong.
Its not totally automatic, but its still somewhat random as to whetehr you hit and now much damage you do basedon attritbutes. Mutations also autohit. Leveling up still requires you to gain XP, which means grinding missions or mobs. Sounds similar to wow clones to me.
This is well said and I do agree. As to your fist post if you had left out the wow clone phrase I feel your post would had been received better. When you mention wow around here the rage can be pretty bad. 0_0
I know. Its not just WOW. Some people just like to forum greif. Ive done it myself. I explained that FE being different than WOW clones is part of what I liked about it. But in the end, for me, it was still too similar. I dont like the level grind. I dont like dying with little consequences. I dont like stupid AI that i can kite and tank, etc etc. The fact that some peopel leveled to 45 in a few days after launch should say something.
This is one of the thing EVE does right. There is no end game. You will never run out of ways to improve your character. You will never have the best ship or best gear. You will always be able to attack anyone anywhere for any reason, and if you win, take their stuff. That gives life some real danger, and killing some real motivation. I just didnt get that adrenelin shot with FE.
Well, that finally explains it.... The EVE comes out of the closet. There's been a lot of EVE players coming over to FE... a lot of EVE players who are so so in love with EVE that they decided to play FE for a few months, lol.
In my 2+ years playing EVE, I never died once. Not once, not even to an NPC, lol. Many times I even slept while the game played itself. Now I like EVE every now and again to get my space fix, but I find it rather ridiculous all of these EVE players coming to FE and then trying turn it into EVE on the ground.
My advice: Stay in EVE. The FE Devs has said they are building a game they would want to play. The fact that they haven't put anything remotely similar to EVE in FE should tell you something about what they enjoy. Me and many others happen to enjoy their vision as well.
But I imagine your nerd rage is pretty high at this point -- you'll probably rate this game low, maybe create a few sockpuppets to agree with you here on this sight and also vote the game low. Oh well.
Ironic how you try to stereotype me, and in the process live out the stereotype that you are. Overall I rate the game very high. It has a lot of innovations. Its simply not MY type of game. WHich is all Ive said. I enjoyed FE for a while, when it was new to me. It simply ran out of challenge half way through, and the end game was near too soon, and it didnt look excitiing.
Heck, EVE isnt the best game out there. Im kinda bored with it as well, hence why I liked FE eneough to throw $100 their way.
This is well said and I do agree. As to your fist post if you had left out the wow clone phrase I feel your post would had been received better. When you mention wow around here the rage can be pretty bad. 0_0
I know. Its not just WOW. Some people just like to forum greif. Ive done it myself. I explained that FE being different than WOW clones is part of what I liked about it. But in the end, for me, it was still too similar. I dont like the level grind. I dont like dying with little consequences. I dont like stupid AI that i can kite and tank, etc etc. The fact that some peopel leveled to 45 in a few days after launch should say something.
This is one of the thing EVE does right. There is no end game. You will never run out of ways to improve your character. You will never have the best ship or best gear. You will always be able to attack anyone anywhere for any reason, and if you win, take their stuff. That gives life some real danger, and killing some real motivation. I just didnt get that adrenelin shot with FE.
Well, that finally explains it.... The EVE comes out of the closet. There's been a lot of EVE players coming over to FE... a lot of EVE players who are so so in love with EVE that they decided to play FE for a few months, lol.
In my 2+ years playing EVE, I never died once. Not once, not even to an NPC, lol. Many times I even slept while the game played itself. Now I like EVE every now and again to get my space fix, but I find it rather ridiculous all of these EVE players coming to FE and then trying turn it into EVE on the ground.
My advice: Stay in EVE. The FE Devs has said they are building a game they would want to play. The fact that they haven't put anything remotely similar to EVE in FE should tell you something about what they enjoy. Me and many others happen to enjoy their vision as well.
But I imagine your nerd rage is pretty high at this point -- you'll probably rate this game low, maybe create a few sockpuppets to agree with you here on this sight and also vote the game low. Oh well.
Ironic how you try to stereotype me, and in the process live out the asshat stereotype that you are. Overall I rate the game very high. It has a lot of innovations. Its simply not MY type of game. WHich is all Ive said. I enjoyed FE for a while, when it was new to me. It simply ran out of challenge half way through, and the end game was near too soon, and it didnt look excitiing.
Heck, EVE isnt the best game out there. Im kinda bored with it as well, hence why I liked FE eneough to throw $100 their way.
Oh yes, the pot calling the kettle black. I certainly have not made myself the fool by comparing, publicly, FE to WoW. LOL.
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Well, personally I've been enjoying the game when I have time to get on (I'm in the middle of moving). I will not deny that it needs work in multiple areas but I think it's a fairly unique game. I think these days most MMO's pull ideas from other games. If they didn't pull ideas from other games people wouldn't be able to identify with the game and sadly that would ruin it.
The graphics aren't terrible. They aren't something I would necessarily expect from a recent game, but they're doable. The character models could use some love. AP grinding is a bit sucky and I don't really know what is beyond S1 at this point seeing as I've just started playing. The UI isn't "original" but it's nice and compact there isn't a lot of crap all over the place which I appreciate.
Melee could use some work as I feel its kind of slow and clunky and half the time I feel like my attacks aren't actually hitting the mob which can get annoying. I don't have a lot of comments on the AI, I suppose its a little dumb at times but it's not terrible.
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But regardless of my above statements I, A) Don't think it compares to WoW in pretty much any way at all. I've sat here reading every reply to your thread and I've contemplated all that you've said and I just don't see how the two compare in this universe. I think it's a fairly solid game, like I said it needs things without a doubt and I have hope that they'll keep updating & adding new things. I'd like to see in-game events that maybe change the face of the world and such. Things like that can make it more interesting and considering that it's a small company they have the ability to focus on things like that.
But all in all, I am sad that you didn't like the game & I respect your opinion & point of view (even though you said it was a WoW-clone). Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't share yours.
Perhaps, if you like the idea of the game, you can check back on it at a later date and see if things that have changed appeal to you.
Otherwise, good luck to you on your search for your perfect MMO. I'm afraid I've never found mine, but I personally hope to one day.
I played EVE Online from fairly early in the beta until a few months ago when I finally quit. During that time I did just about everything you can do in the game, from Empire mission running and various PvE, and industrial pursuits, to being a part of a huge 0.0 alliance and everything that goes along with that. So let's go through your list so I can accuse EVE Online of having some of the same things you are complaining about there, or refuting that they exist in FE to the extent you would have people believe.
Level Grind - Let's just take the word "level" out of there, because grind is grind, and E-O has plenty of that... whether you're grinding for Isk or faction, even if you only want to PvP eventually you have to grind something at some point. It is there, and it's perhaps more boring and mind-numbing in E-O than in many other MMOGs. As for grind in FE, that's a matter of personal preference, because frankly FE is one of the only MMOGs I have ever played where I didn't have to grind to get something and haven't felt as though I needed to grind. You CAN grind in FE if you WANT to, but you by no means HAVE to... If you've problem is the level, not the grind, well then that's yet another design decision and personal preference, and I'm trying to figure out how it could be anything more than simply an issue of personal preference.
Stupid AI - Don't get me started on E-O NPC AI being stupid. It's about the stupidest around. Granted the AI in FE could certainly be a bit better, as well as the pathing, but it's no better or worse than what you find in other MMOGs. E-O included.
Almost no danger outside of PVP zones - This is partially because of lack of decent AI as stated above, but then E-O has the same exact thing going on in 'safe space', 0.5 and above. There is no AI in existence in any MMOG that can compete with real life humans on the other side of the avatar.
Lack of Economy - Granted, E-O has an awesome player-driven economy, and CCP keeps an economist on the payroll and has financial advisers to keep things running like a real world economy would. I think the lack of economy in FE that you suggest comes from a supposition made stemming from a couple other points on the list, which I will address now.
Character bound items - This is extremely limited in FE and is a non-issue. I have yet to see a character bound item that wasn't easily replaced or outshined by a player crafted item. Even if it was widely prevalent in FE it would be a form of item obsoletion that would actually help the player economy. As it is though it's makes no difference either way.
NPC drops and NPC merchants which make player crafting near pointless - Again, the items that you can craft are superior, and easier and cheaper to make yourself anyhow. I have yet to see anything dropped or sold by a vendor that I couldn't make myself...
Inability to loot player corpses - This is a hotly debated topic, but it's really not needed to make crafting meaningful, an economy work, or to make character death have a meaningful penalty. The unfortunate thing is that FE doesn't currently employ many other methods to make these things happen. I don't think we need to discuss the pro's and cons of a FFA player corpse looting system, we only need to acknowledge that to is really not essential to make the things that I listed work.
Negligible death penalty - Granted, but I don't think FE was ever meant to be a FFA PvP game. Someone coming from the beta should have known that before buying the game, and frankly before you pay for any game you should do your research first so you know what you are buying. It's a design decision, but it's one of those things that some players enjoy and some don't.
Limited chat system - Not even sure what you mean by this. FE's chat system is pretty much industry standard and quite sufficient for anyone's needs. It might need a little polishing, but it's perfectly fine as far as I can see.
It seems like, as you stated, you we're expecting a terrestrial version of EVE Online, and even though you were in the beta and have played the live game for two months, you are somehow surprised that Fallen Earth is not that... So you felt the need to tell us about it. Thanks.
I am not going to sit here and argue about how an MMOG should be made with anyone. Anyone that plays MMOGs knows what they want out of the experience. They know what game systems they will probably find in any given MMOG, and they know which ones they enjoy, and which ones they don't and for what reasons. It is utterly pointless to argue which systems "work" which are "better", because it all comes down to personal preference. What is un-enjoyable crap to one person might be the bee's knees to another.
I am just trying to figure out how you played this game for at least going on three months and are just now figuring out that it's not a terrestrial version of EVE Online? I think I'm going to have to call shenanigans...
This is my last word on this subject in this thread. I've spent far too much time on it already. The OPs posts are filled with half-truths and personal opinions. People could sit around debating issues and twisting each others words around until the cows come home. However the bottom line is this. All of these game designs and whether they "work" or not for you or are "enjoyable" to you is all about personal preference. The OP's personal preferences do not jibe with Fallen Earth's game design choices. This by no means makes FE a "bad" game, or the design "wrong" or "broken". It means that it will not appeal to everyone, it's a niche game, like EVE Online is a niche game, and even like WoW is a niche game... if FE is not for you I encourage you to move along and keep looking for the game that IS for you, instead of dwelling on the one's you didn't enjoy.
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I quit due to the bonus AP. How stupid can you be giving people bonus stats in a pvp game for grinding! It is totally uneeded. Not like it makes people stay. If they never had it, they would not have people quitting due to having no bonus AP. People wouldn't even think of it.
I'm sorry that you left. Truly am.
Bonus AP is a system for rewarding exploration. Plenty of people compete in PvP without earning every bonus AP point. And for those determined to have it, there are guides for finding them. It's no different than other skill-based games where you had to grind out your choosen skill. This was done in SWG-PreNGE. You had to grind out xp on your chosen path. Going out and completing quests to get your BONUS AP is a far more enjoyable, and might I add easier, way than SWG had. More over the difference is that in SWG you HAD to grind it out. In FE, you don't have to.
So not having it would be more like SWG? Why would that be better? You'd have less choice, and less fun.
I find it odd that, when confronted with more choice, people get upset or confused or frustrated.
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Thanks for the long post Darkholme. I dont agree with everything you said, but just to make one point, take my complaint about crafting being pointless. WHat I was getting at is more that crafting for money is pointless. Since you never lose anything, there is little demand for crafters. And since everyone can easily craft for themselves some of the way, and get better faction stuff higher up, theres again little demand. And to go along with that, what I meant by character bound items is that when you equip a gun, you can no longer sell it. And some items are indeed bound to you forever on pickup, which means you cant fight to get them, then sell them. Essentially, the professions are seriously limited. Theres little demand for resource gatherers, or crafters, or much anything else. Which means when you level to 45, what is there to do? Youve explored everything, youve crafted everything, very few people are buyig your stuff, you dont have much else to buy with all your chips, theres no reason to have a faction fight, no motiviation beyond bragging for PVP since you cant take money or stuff off people. Etc.
Now if everyone can get over comparing it to WOW, we can move on.
The OP said "You level to 80, then what?" all I have to say is welcome to MMO's son. Once you hit max in games you either hang out with friends, raid for shinies or find something to do.
Oh and one more thing not sure whats going on in your head OP but FE is nothing like wow, combats diffrent, vehicles, crafting (best crafting ive done in any online game) I get tired of people comparing wow to every game that comes out every single time its like beating a dead horse.
Well, I just played FE on a 7-day trial, but saying that is a "wow clone" makes me wonder if that expression has become a general name for any MMORPG...
Its the easiest comparison. Technically wow is a clone of other MMOs. What I mean is classes, leveling, auto combat, rare item drops, no death penalties, etc. FE actually is one of the lesser WOW clones Ive played, but it still copied a lot of stuff.
All mmo's are copies of each other. From UO/EQ each and every one has added features or refined them some stick some dont..... WoW clone makes no sense if u think about it. Also peeps that use that term show their age in mmo life .....just sayin
Thanks for the long post Darkholme. I dont agree with everything you said, but just to make one point, take my complaint about crafting being pointless. WHat I was getting at is more that crafting for money is pointless. Since you never lose anything, there is little demand for crafters. And since everyone can easily craft for themselves some of the way, and get better faction stuff higher up, theres again little demand. And to go along with that, what I meant by character bound items is that when you equip a gun, you can no longer sell it. And some items are indeed bound to you forever on pickup, which means you cant fight to get them, then sell them. Essentially, the professions are seriously limited. Theres little demand for resource gatherers, or crafters, or much anything else. Which means when you level to 45, what is there to do? Youve explored everything, youve crafted everything, very few people are buyig your stuff, you dont have much else to buy with all your chips, theres no reason to have a faction fight, no motiviation beyond bragging for PVP since you cant take money or stuff off people. Etc. Now if everyone can get over comparing it to WOW, we can move on.
OK I'll break my own rule this once...
That is something that I actually agree with in spirit. I don't think it's totally pointless to craft in FE though. I would like it if there was some sort of item obsoletion in the game that would foster a better, more realistic economy. The thing that scares me about FE is that doing anything drastic to make that happen now probably isn't realistic unless they want to alienate many of the people who are playing now... I just don't think FE needs FFA looting and actual item loss to accomplish it. I think wear and tear (degradation through use which negatively impacts item performance and statistics) and obsoletion through better gear and/or personalized gear (via R&D, better quality materials, etc) are the way to go and would be quite sufficient. At least some of which can be added over time with little or no negative impact on the game as it stands now.
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Is there a trial for this game now? I can't seem to find one but i really want to test this game. It sounds decent.
Why are there so many cutesie, fantasy, childish MMO's. Give me blood, gore and a long lasting challenge. I don't need my hand being held along the way. Thanks.
Well, I just played FE on a 7-day trial, but saying that is a "wow clone" makes me wonder if that expression has become a general name for any MMORPG...
Its the easiest comparison. Technically wow is a clone of other MMOs. What I mean is classes, leveling, auto combat, rare item drops, no death penalties, etc. FE actually is one of the lesser WOW clones Ive played, but it still copied a lot of stuff.
Yeh,..I can't believe they put quests and a mini-map in FE. Such a ripoff from WoW! They even took the arcanite reaper model from WoW and try to pass it off as pistol in FE!
Not to mention that, JUST LIKE WOW, you control a character who travels around a landscape killing stuff. Could they be more blantantly identical?
Is there a trial for this game now? I can't seem to find one but i really want to test this game. It sounds decent.
Check my post regarding the free trial keys being offered by the escapist. A bit of time has passed so they may, and likely are, all gone but you never know. If not im sure (with the way things have been) that they will offer more soon enough.
As for this post...the only thing I can say is LMAO. I think everyone elses posts regarding the OP have pretty much summed up my thoughts accordingly so ill leave it at that.
Saying FE is a WoW clone clearly shows you don't know how to use the term. The only thing I dislike about FE is that the crafting system is a joke.
COmpared to eve online, its more similar to WOW than EVE.
Compared to Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rosie O'Donnel more similar to Paris Hilton than the Governator. You can give up on that point it's an absurd comparison.
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Saying FE is a WoW clone clearly shows you don't know how to use the term.
The only thing I dislike about FE is that the crafting system is a joke.
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Caling FE a WoW clone is a joke.
Show me the classes in FE. Show me how leveling up is ANYTHING like in WoW. Hell, show me the bot you must use to make combat automatic.
It's fair enough if you want a game with risk, EVE sounds just right for you, and I can respect your opinions about the game, but calling it a WoW clone is just wrong.
COmpared to eve online, its more similar to WOW than EVE.
I know. Its not just WOW. Some people just like to forum greif. Ive done it myself. I explained that FE being different than WOW clones is part of what I liked about it. But in the end, for me, it was still too similar. I dont like the level grind. I dont like dying with little consequences. I dont like stupid AI that i can kite and tank, etc etc. The fact that some peopel leveled to 45 in a few days after launch should say something.
This is one of the thing EVE does right. There is no end game. You will never run out of ways to improve your character. You will never have the best ship or best gear. You will always be able to attack anyone anywhere for any reason, and if you win, take their stuff. That gives life some real danger, and killing some real motivation. I just didnt get that adrenelin shot with FE.
Well, that finally explains it.... The EVE comes out of the closet. There's been a lot of EVE players coming over to FE... a lot of EVE players who are so so in love with EVE that they decided to play FE for a few months, lol.
In my 2+ years playing EVE, I never died once. Not once, not even to an NPC, lol. Many times I even slept while the game played itself. Now I like EVE every now and again to get my space fix, but I find it rather ridiculous all of these EVE players coming to FE and then trying turn it into EVE on the ground.
My advice: Stay in EVE. The FE Devs has said they are building a game they would want to play. The fact that they haven't put anything remotely similar to EVE in FE should tell you something about what they enjoy. Me and many others happen to enjoy their vision as well.
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Caling FE a WoW clone is a joke.
Show me the classes in FE. Show me how leveling up is ANYTHING like in WoW. Hell, show me the bot you must use to make combat automatic.
It's fair enough if you want a game with risk, EVE sounds just right for you, and I can respect your opinions about the game, but calling it a WoW clone is just wrong.
Its not totally automatic, but its still somewhat random as to whetehr you hit and now much damage you do basedon attritbutes. Mutations also autohit. Leveling up still requires you to gain XP, which means grinding missions or mobs. Sounds similar to wow clones to me.
I know. Its not just WOW. Some people just like to forum greif. Ive done it myself. I explained that FE being different than WOW clones is part of what I liked about it. But in the end, for me, it was still too similar. I dont like the level grind. I dont like dying with little consequences. I dont like stupid AI that i can kite and tank, etc etc. The fact that some peopel leveled to 45 in a few days after launch should say something.
This is one of the thing EVE does right. There is no end game. You will never run out of ways to improve your character. You will never have the best ship or best gear. You will always be able to attack anyone anywhere for any reason, and if you win, take their stuff. That gives life some real danger, and killing some real motivation. I just didnt get that adrenelin shot with FE.
Well, that finally explains it.... The EVE comes out of the closet. There's been a lot of EVE players coming over to FE... a lot of EVE players who are so so in love with EVE that they decided to play FE for a few months, lol.
In my 2+ years playing EVE, I never died once. Not once, not even to an NPC, lol. Many times I even slept while the game played itself. Now I like EVE every now and again to get my space fix, but I find it rather ridiculous all of these EVE players coming to FE and then trying turn it into EVE on the ground.
My advice: Stay in EVE. The FE Devs has said they are building a game they would want to play. The fact that they haven't put anything remotely similar to EVE in FE should tell you something about what they enjoy. Me and many others happen to enjoy their vision as well.
But I imagine your nerd rage is pretty high at this point -- you'll probably rate this game low, maybe create a few sockpuppets to agree with you here on this sight and also vote the game low. Oh well.
Ironic how you try to stereotype me, and in the process live out the stereotype that you are. Overall I rate the game very high. It has a lot of innovations. Its simply not MY type of game. WHich is all Ive said. I enjoyed FE for a while, when it was new to me. It simply ran out of challenge half way through, and the end game was near too soon, and it didnt look excitiing.
Heck, EVE isnt the best game out there. Im kinda bored with it as well, hence why I liked FE eneough to throw $100 their way.
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I know. Its not just WOW. Some people just like to forum greif. Ive done it myself. I explained that FE being different than WOW clones is part of what I liked about it. But in the end, for me, it was still too similar. I dont like the level grind. I dont like dying with little consequences. I dont like stupid AI that i can kite and tank, etc etc. The fact that some peopel leveled to 45 in a few days after launch should say something.
This is one of the thing EVE does right. There is no end game. You will never run out of ways to improve your character. You will never have the best ship or best gear. You will always be able to attack anyone anywhere for any reason, and if you win, take their stuff. That gives life some real danger, and killing some real motivation. I just didnt get that adrenelin shot with FE.
Well, that finally explains it.... The EVE comes out of the closet. There's been a lot of EVE players coming over to FE... a lot of EVE players who are so so in love with EVE that they decided to play FE for a few months, lol.
In my 2+ years playing EVE, I never died once. Not once, not even to an NPC, lol. Many times I even slept while the game played itself. Now I like EVE every now and again to get my space fix, but I find it rather ridiculous all of these EVE players coming to FE and then trying turn it into EVE on the ground.
My advice: Stay in EVE. The FE Devs has said they are building a game they would want to play. The fact that they haven't put anything remotely similar to EVE in FE should tell you something about what they enjoy. Me and many others happen to enjoy their vision as well.
But I imagine your nerd rage is pretty high at this point -- you'll probably rate this game low, maybe create a few sockpuppets to agree with you here on this sight and also vote the game low. Oh well.
Ironic how you try to stereotype me, and in the process live out the asshat stereotype that you are. Overall I rate the game very high. It has a lot of innovations. Its simply not MY type of game. WHich is all Ive said. I enjoyed FE for a while, when it was new to me. It simply ran out of challenge half way through, and the end game was near too soon, and it didnt look excitiing.
Heck, EVE isnt the best game out there. Im kinda bored with it as well, hence why I liked FE eneough to throw $100 their way.
Oh yes, the pot calling the kettle black. I certainly have not made myself the fool by comparing, publicly, FE to WoW. LOL.
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Calling it a WoW clone might be waaaaaay out there in Lalaland, but I'm sad that FE wasnt your cup of tea.
I hope you find what you look for.
Well, personally I've been enjoying the game when I have time to get on (I'm in the middle of moving). I will not deny that it needs work in multiple areas but I think it's a fairly unique game. I think these days most MMO's pull ideas from other games. If they didn't pull ideas from other games people wouldn't be able to identify with the game and sadly that would ruin it.
The graphics aren't terrible. They aren't something I would necessarily expect from a recent game, but they're doable. The character models could use some love. AP grinding is a bit sucky and I don't really know what is beyond S1 at this point seeing as I've just started playing. The UI isn't "original" but it's nice and compact there isn't a lot of crap all over the place which I appreciate.
Melee could use some work as I feel its kind of slow and clunky and half the time I feel like my attacks aren't actually hitting the mob which can get annoying. I don't have a lot of comments on the AI, I suppose its a little dumb at times but it's not terrible.
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But regardless of my above statements I, A) Don't think it compares to WoW in pretty much any way at all. I've sat here reading every reply to your thread and I've contemplated all that you've said and I just don't see how the two compare in this universe.
I think it's a fairly solid game, like I said it needs things without a doubt and I have hope that they'll keep updating & adding new things. I'd like to see in-game events that maybe change the face of the world and such. Things like that can make it more interesting and considering that it's a small company they have the ability to focus on things like that.
But all in all, I am sad that you didn't like the game & I respect your opinion & point of view (even though you said it was a WoW-clone). Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't share yours.
Perhaps, if you like the idea of the game, you can check back on it at a later date and see if things that have changed appeal to you.
Otherwise, good luck to you on your search for your perfect MMO. I'm afraid I've never found mine, but I personally hope to one day.
I quit due to the bonus AP.
How stupid can you be giving people bonus stats in a pvp game for grinding! It is totally uneeded. Not like it makes people stay.
If they never had it, they would not have people quitting due to having no bonus AP. People wouldn't even think of it.
I played EVE Online from fairly early in the beta until a few months ago when I finally quit. During that time I did just about everything you can do in the game, from Empire mission running and various PvE, and industrial pursuits, to being a part of a huge 0.0 alliance and everything that goes along with that. So let's go through your list so I can accuse EVE Online of having some of the same things you are complaining about there, or refuting that they exist in FE to the extent you would have people believe.
Level Grind - Let's just take the word "level" out of there, because grind is grind, and E-O has plenty of that... whether you're grinding for Isk or faction, even if you only want to PvP eventually you have to grind something at some point. It is there, and it's perhaps more boring and mind-numbing in E-O than in many other MMOGs. As for grind in FE, that's a matter of personal preference, because frankly FE is one of the only MMOGs I have ever played where I didn't have to grind to get something and haven't felt as though I needed to grind. You CAN grind in FE if you WANT to, but you by no means HAVE to... If you've problem is the level, not the grind, well then that's yet another design decision and personal preference, and I'm trying to figure out how it could be anything more than simply an issue of personal preference.
Stupid AI - Don't get me started on E-O NPC AI being stupid. It's about the stupidest around. Granted the AI in FE could certainly be a bit better, as well as the pathing, but it's no better or worse than what you find in other MMOGs. E-O included.
Almost no danger outside of PVP zones - This is partially because of lack of decent AI as stated above, but then E-O has the same exact thing going on in 'safe space', 0.5 and above. There is no AI in existence in any MMOG that can compete with real life humans on the other side of the avatar.
Lack of Economy - Granted, E-O has an awesome player-driven economy, and CCP keeps an economist on the payroll and has financial advisers to keep things running like a real world economy would. I think the lack of economy in FE that you suggest comes from a supposition made stemming from a couple other points on the list, which I will address now.
Character bound items - This is extremely limited in FE and is a non-issue. I have yet to see a character bound item that wasn't easily replaced or outshined by a player crafted item. Even if it was widely prevalent in FE it would be a form of item obsoletion that would actually help the player economy. As it is though it's makes no difference either way.
NPC drops and NPC merchants which make player crafting near pointless - Again, the items that you can craft are superior, and easier and cheaper to make yourself anyhow. I have yet to see anything dropped or sold by a vendor that I couldn't make myself...
Inability to loot player corpses - This is a hotly debated topic, but it's really not needed to make crafting meaningful, an economy work, or to make character death have a meaningful penalty. The unfortunate thing is that FE doesn't currently employ many other methods to make these things happen. I don't think we need to discuss the pro's and cons of a FFA player corpse looting system, we only need to acknowledge that to is really not essential to make the things that I listed work.
Negligible death penalty - Granted, but I don't think FE was ever meant to be a FFA PvP game. Someone coming from the beta should have known that before buying the game, and frankly before you pay for any game you should do your research first so you know what you are buying. It's a design decision, but it's one of those things that some players enjoy and some don't.
Limited chat system - Not even sure what you mean by this. FE's chat system is pretty much industry standard and quite sufficient for anyone's needs. It might need a little polishing, but it's perfectly fine as far as I can see.
It seems like, as you stated, you we're expecting a terrestrial version of EVE Online, and even though you were in the beta and have played the live game for two months, you are somehow surprised that Fallen Earth is not that... So you felt the need to tell us about it. Thanks.
I am not going to sit here and argue about how an MMOG should be made with anyone. Anyone that plays MMOGs knows what they want out of the experience. They know what game systems they will probably find in any given MMOG, and they know which ones they enjoy, and which ones they don't and for what reasons. It is utterly pointless to argue which systems "work" which are "better", because it all comes down to personal preference. What is un-enjoyable crap to one person might be the bee's knees to another.
I am just trying to figure out how you played this game for at least going on three months and are just now figuring out that it's not a terrestrial version of EVE Online? I think I'm going to have to call shenanigans...
This is my last word on this subject in this thread. I've spent far too much time on it already. The OPs posts are filled with half-truths and personal opinions. People could sit around debating issues and twisting each others words around until the cows come home. However the bottom line is this. All of these game designs and whether they "work" or not for you or are "enjoyable" to you is all about personal preference. The OP's personal preferences do not jibe with Fallen Earth's game design choices. This by no means makes FE a "bad" game, or the design "wrong" or "broken". It means that it will not appeal to everyone, it's a niche game, like EVE Online is a niche game, and even like WoW is a niche game... if FE is not for you I encourage you to move along and keep looking for the game that IS for you, instead of dwelling on the one's you didn't enjoy.
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I'm sorry that you left. Truly am.
Bonus AP is a system for rewarding exploration. Plenty of people compete in PvP without earning every bonus AP point. And for those determined to have it, there are guides for finding them. It's no different than other skill-based games where you had to grind out your choosen skill. This was done in SWG-PreNGE. You had to grind out xp on your chosen path. Going out and completing quests to get your BONUS AP is a far more enjoyable, and might I add easier, way than SWG had. More over the difference is that in SWG you HAD to grind it out. In FE, you don't have to.
So not having it would be more like SWG? Why would that be better? You'd have less choice, and less fun.
I find it odd that, when confronted with more choice, people get upset or confused or frustrated.
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Thanks for the long post Darkholme. I dont agree with everything you said, but just to make one point, take my complaint about crafting being pointless. WHat I was getting at is more that crafting for money is pointless. Since you never lose anything, there is little demand for crafters. And since everyone can easily craft for themselves some of the way, and get better faction stuff higher up, theres again little demand. And to go along with that, what I meant by character bound items is that when you equip a gun, you can no longer sell it. And some items are indeed bound to you forever on pickup, which means you cant fight to get them, then sell them. Essentially, the professions are seriously limited. Theres little demand for resource gatherers, or crafters, or much anything else. Which means when you level to 45, what is there to do? Youve explored everything, youve crafted everything, very few people are buyig your stuff, you dont have much else to buy with all your chips, theres no reason to have a faction fight, no motiviation beyond bragging for PVP since you cant take money or stuff off people. Etc.
Now if everyone can get over comparing it to WOW, we can move on.
The OP said "You level to 80, then what?" all I have to say is welcome to MMO's son. Once you hit max in games you either hang out with friends, raid for shinies or find something to do.
Oh and one more thing not sure whats going on in your head OP but FE is nothing like wow, combats diffrent, vehicles, crafting (best crafting ive done in any online game) I get tired of people comparing wow to every game that comes out every single time its like beating a dead horse.
Its the easiest comparison. Technically wow is a clone of other MMOs. What I mean is classes, leveling, auto combat, rare item drops, no death penalties, etc. FE actually is one of the lesser WOW clones Ive played, but it still copied a lot of stuff.
All mmo's are copies of each other. From UO/EQ each and every one has added features or refined them some stick some dont..... WoW clone makes no sense if u think about it. Also peeps that use that term show their age in mmo life .....just sayin
OK I'll break my own rule this once...
That is something that I actually agree with in spirit. I don't think it's totally pointless to craft in FE though. I would like it if there was some sort of item obsoletion in the game that would foster a better, more realistic economy. The thing that scares me about FE is that doing anything drastic to make that happen now probably isn't realistic unless they want to alienate many of the people who are playing now... I just don't think FE needs FFA looting and actual item loss to accomplish it. I think wear and tear (degradation through use which negatively impacts item performance and statistics) and obsoletion through better gear and/or personalized gear (via R&D, better quality materials, etc) are the way to go and would be quite sufficient. At least some of which can be added over time with little or no negative impact on the game as it stands now.
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QFT.
"XY is a WoW clone" = "I'm a troll". In ANY game's topic.
Also, OP's replies to Cerion clearly show he's not even any good at the art of trolling. But it's surely entertaining to see him suffer here
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Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Did they just call FE a WoW clone?
Hahahaha
I stopped reading there but it got few LMAOs out of me with that statement only.
I think I'll continue reading the post whenever I feel a bit down and need a LOL.
I'm sure it's top notch entertainment.
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Is there a trial for this game now? I can't seem to find one but i really want to test this game. It sounds decent.
Why are there so many cutesie, fantasy, childish MMO's. Give me blood, gore and a long lasting challenge. I don't need my hand being held along the way. Thanks.
Its the easiest comparison. Technically wow is a clone of other MMOs. What I mean is classes, leveling, auto combat, rare item drops, no death penalties, etc. FE actually is one of the lesser WOW clones Ive played, but it still copied a lot of stuff.
Yeh,..I can't believe they put quests and a mini-map in FE. Such a ripoff from WoW! They even took the arcanite reaper model from WoW and try to pass it off as pistol in FE!
Not to mention that, JUST LIKE WOW, you control a character who travels around a landscape killing stuff. Could they be more blantantly identical?
Is there a trial for this game now? I can't seem to find one but i really want to test this game. It sounds decent.
Check my post regarding the free trial keys being offered by the escapist. A bit of time has passed so they may, and likely are, all gone but you never know. If not im sure (with the way things have been) that they will offer more soon enough.
As for this post...the only thing I can say is LMAO. I think everyone elses posts regarding the OP have pretty much summed up my thoughts accordingly so ill leave it at that.
COmpared to eve online, its more similar to WOW than EVE.
Compared to Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rosie O'Donnel more similar to Paris Hilton than the Governator. You can give up on that point it's an absurd comparison.
I rofl'd so hard
I suppose EVE is a wow clone also ?