Argh, Runescape and LOTRO are missing. Without Runescape none of these MMORPG's would exist. LOTRO has done something very remarkable, it passed WoW In popularity, which should make it number 1 in the list.
No Lotro dident? WoW still has triple the subs and Lotro Online or WoW ... More people know about WoW
Much much more people know more about LOTR than WoW, which makes it also remarkable, because it has succeeded in both pleasing the fans of LOTR and the fans of MMORPG's. And the subs don't tell the whole story, it's the popularity. You can't say WoW is the most popular MMORPG because people just don't talk about it nowadays. But when LOTRO came out everyone forgot WoW and played LOTRO.
I'm trying to translate this article in russian, and there is one moment where i'm really stuck.
the elements of the originalIP that made the game
The IP alone, a popular video game franchise that was at the height of its popularity
What is IP? Intellectual Property? Then i don't understand how it can be strong: "that a strong IP alone is not enough". If someone could explain it to me, i'd really appreciate it.
I'm trying to translate this article in russian, and there is one moment where i'm really stuck. the elements of the originalIP that made the game The IP alone, a popular video game franchise that was at the height of its popularity What is IP? Intellectual Property? Then i don't understand how it can be strong: "that a strong IP alone is not enough". If someone could explain it to me, i'd really appreciate it.
Yes IP = Intellectual Property. Star Wars is considered a strong IP because it has generated a great deal of popularity, money and lore. It is much more successful and broader known than, in example, Wing Commander.
Darkfall made it on the list because... people thought it was vaporware? That's it? I agree with the list as a whole (though I would've included some in the list and not others, they all have reasons to be in a top 10 list), and that even Darkfall may have its place here, but not for the one lame reason given. What about it's unusual "limited account releases to take it easy on the servers" method of trying to give original players a good launch? What about all of the bugs and issues that future games should learn not to make? I'm sure that others who have followed the game closer could come up with a few more big hitters other than, "Wow, no one expected THAT ONE!"
This seemed more like a brainfart that spilled out onto your keyboard than any kind of real post.
I'm sure everyone would modify this list and it's contents to some degree. But I thought it was a good read, and I certainly enjoyed it.
NO. I think Streea has a point.
The reason used by the OP to include DF does not seem to make much sense to me. A game that after 8 years of misleading ad on their web, delivers a totally subpar product, should not really be placed on a list, where games like DAoC, GW and the likes are excluded. In terms of contribution, DF pales.
Ultimately, the choice of inclusion in this list belongs to the OP. On the other hand, the final judgment of a game is in the hands of buyers.
First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history.
As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with.
Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles.
From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list.
DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others.
Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.
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First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history. As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with. Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles. From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list. DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others. Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.
dont waste your breath. I've already tried to point out that this wasnt a top 10 list. But post after post people come in by the mindless droves and OMG you left out "insert non impactual mmo"
Would still say Anarchy online deserves to be here, the game still feels fresh when you consider how much freedom you have in improving you characters, no game quite like it today even after 8 years, one of the 2 games i still play the second being AoC
I already commented on how I felt AC should be on that list (good to see there were more who agreed) but overall a historic list of MMOs should, in essence, be boring. This is because there are standard choices that should be on every list.
UO - Caused the genre to explode, has lasted over a decade
EQ - Made the class system main stream, has lasted over a decade
AC- 3D with a seamless main world, level +skill tree combination, monthly updates and a changing world, has lasted over a decade
WoW - most successful ever
DAoC - Realm vs Realm
SWG - Used a mainstream IP and turned it into an online world, showed the world what NOT to do once a game is launched
That right there is 6 standards for historic lists, so when doing a top ten list there isn't much room for surprise. Except of course when you don't use them and then all the posts are of confusion.
I will agree with this list better of contributions better.
All the rest were there to fill in the numbers.
And just a small note, UO's peak was about 300k Subs...which is not far from those of EQ's which came several years later.
UO is indeed the one that caused the genre to explore, and while it Graphics are 2D, it was the pioneer of many systems that people tend to attribute to other games (Seamless world, proto-instancing etc), it is truly the Grand father of MMO's paving the way to today in many respects.
I somehow think that the Author if he did play UO, must have been like 15-17 years old at the time. UO is perceived differently as game depending how old was one when they played it (and while this applies to most games it is less apparent in Themepark games).
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Stopped in to check a couple things and this list, if thats what you want to call it, is just not even credible in anyway,
without ASHERONS CALL.
It makes me sick, while also reminding me why I no longer play mmorpgs. I started with AC and have played/tryed 12 mmorpgs since then and although this list is suppost to be comprised on innovation,
NONE of these games can/could/will ever even be able to hold ASHERONS CALL'S Jock.
I came outta retirement, just to state just how ludacris it is to act like AC doesn't even exist, if there was any real way to track a games actual followers, not just subscriptions, but true die hard followers, AC would end up embarassing the others.
How Turbine has not capitalized on a third, or even a modern remake of the first AC blows my mind.
And even futher than that, how OTHER developers have not frequented the masses of forums out there and caught on to what the players really want based on the one single game just makes me wanna throw in the towel.
Who knows maybe AC1 spoiled me beyond repair or
maybe I just have finally outgrown all this.
Thats all from me.
Back to retirement.
Best Regards: The Game.
P.S. As another post stated, this is clearly a "New School" article.
And not knowing the author of this list, all I can think of to justify this disjustice is he isn't even 35 years old.
First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history. As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with. Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles. From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list. DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others. Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.
Darkfall isn't a rare game at all. Over the past few years we had lots of small indie developers release mediocre games which came and went. that Darkfall is still running isn't saying much considering it has only been out for a few months.
The reason it was added to the list is simply because Darkfall gets a lot of traffic, not because it is in any way noteworthy.
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holy s... i'll just reply and say that the comments you engendered imply that this was a good post.
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No Lotro dident? WoW still has triple the subs and Lotro Online or WoW ... More people know about WoW
Much much more people know more about LOTR than WoW, which makes it also remarkable, because it has succeeded in both pleasing the fans of LOTR and the fans of MMORPG's. And the subs don't tell the whole story, it's the popularity. You can't say WoW is the most popular MMORPG because people just don't talk about it nowadays. But when LOTRO came out everyone forgot WoW and played LOTRO.
Teehee thats funny!
Lvl 75 Black Mage/White Mage ffxi
Lvl 80 Druid WoW
Lvl 34 Ranger Aion
I'm trying to translate this article in russian, and there is one moment where i'm really stuck.
the elements of the original IP that made the game
The IP alone, a popular video game franchise that was at the height of its popularity
What is IP? Intellectual Property? Then i don't understand how it can be strong: "that a strong IP alone is not enough". If someone could explain it to me, i'd really appreciate it.
Yes IP = Intellectual Property. Star Wars is considered a strong IP because it has generated a great deal of popularity, money and lore. It is much more successful and broader known than, in example, Wing Commander.
Strongly agree, if any game should be discussed on the aspect of PvP, DAoC is the one. DF is a total loser when compared to DAoC.
This seemed more like a brainfart that spilled out onto your keyboard than any kind of real post.
I'm sure everyone would modify this list and it's contents to some degree. But I thought it was a good read, and I certainly enjoyed it.
NO. I think Streea has a point.
The reason used by the OP to include DF does not seem to make much sense to me. A game that after 8 years of misleading ad on their web, delivers a totally subpar product, should not really be placed on a list, where games like DAoC, GW and the likes are excluded. In terms of contribution, DF pales.
Ultimately, the choice of inclusion in this list belongs to the OP. On the other hand, the final judgment of a game is in the hands of buyers.
First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history.
As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with.
Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles.
From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list.
DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others.
Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.
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dont waste your breath. I've already tried to point out that this wasnt a top 10 list. But post after post people come in by the mindless droves and OMG you left out "insert non impactual mmo"
Would still say Anarchy online deserves to be here, the game still feels fresh when you consider how much freedom you have in improving you characters, no game quite like it today even after 8 years, one of the 2 games i still play the second being AoC
I will agree with this list better of contributions better.
All the rest were there to fill in the numbers.
And just a small note, UO's peak was about 300k Subs...which is not far from those of EQ's which came several years later.
UO is indeed the one that caused the genre to explore, and while it Graphics are 2D, it was the pioneer of many systems that people tend to attribute to other games (Seamless world, proto-instancing etc), it is truly the Grand father of MMO's paving the way to today in many respects.
I somehow think that the Author if he did play UO, must have been like 15-17 years old at the time. UO is perceived differently as game depending how old was one when they played it (and while this applies to most games it is less apparent in Themepark games).
Order of the Silver Star, OSS
ESKA, Playing MMORPG's since Ultima Online 1997 - Order of the Silver Serpent, Atlantic Shard
A nice read. Some fond memories. ^^
I haven't been around these parts in a while,
Stopped in to check a couple things and this list, if thats what you want to call it, is just not even credible in anyway,
without ASHERONS CALL.
It makes me sick, while also reminding me why I no longer play mmorpgs. I started with AC and have played/tryed 12 mmorpgs since then and although this list is suppost to be comprised on innovation,
NONE of these games can/could/will ever even be able to hold ASHERONS CALL'S Jock.
I came outta retirement, just to state just how ludacris it is to act like AC doesn't even exist, if there was any real way to track a games actual followers, not just subscriptions, but true die hard followers, AC would end up embarassing the others.
How Turbine has not capitalized on a third, or even a modern remake of the first AC blows my mind.
And even futher than that, how OTHER developers have not frequented the masses of forums out there and caught on to what the players really want based on the one single game just makes me wanna throw in the towel.
Who knows maybe AC1 spoiled me beyond repair or
maybe I just have finally outgrown all this.
Thats all from me.
Back to retirement.
Best Regards: The Game.
P.S. As another post stated, this is clearly a "New School" article.
And not knowing the author of this list, all I can think of to justify this disjustice is he isn't even 35 years old.
So much for us old timers, I guess.
yea FFXI def should have been on this list.....it is still a special game
Darkfall isn't a rare game at all. Over the past few years we had lots of small indie developers release mediocre games which came and went. that Darkfall is still running isn't saying much considering it has only been out for a few months.
The reason it was added to the list is simply because Darkfall gets a lot of traffic, not because it is in any way noteworthy.