Are there any active MMO's left that.....

Reklaw

What is important to find like minded people that do not have this rush to cap lvl asap mentality. It's not the game, it's the people's playstyle.

I am still wondering when did get this mentality into this genre about wanting to catch up with others, if you have friends that tell you to rush or a guild to tell you to rush and if you dislike that, why do you go ahead and still do what they tell you?

I'ts simply not the games, but the people you surround yourself with. As a matter of fact it's a none-issue as it's something that you and only you could control.

raystantz

Originally posted by rafaelrehn


 eve

Tried it about 5 times..

 

cannot get past not seeing my character nor there being an actual "planet" to walk on.

I don't get into flying around in space ships and figuring out excel spread sheets

raystantz

Originally posted by Reklaw


What is important to find like minded people that do not have this rush to cap lvl asap mentality. It's not the game, it's the people's playstyle.
I am still wondering when did get this mentality into this genre about wanting to catch up with others, if you have friends that tell you to rush or a guild to tell you to rush and if you dislike that, why do you go ahead and still do what they tell you?
I'ts simply not the games, but the people you surround yourself with. As a matter of fact it's a none-issue as it's something that you and only you could control.

Read my example I posted for WoW.. I cannot control that. The game is designed to cater to those people. Nothing I can do will allow me to experience the same content as everyone else unless I play like everyone else. It just isn't going to happen. 

 

I can't raid current content, and I can 't raid past content.. because its obsolete now. Thats my issue, content becomes obsolete before I ever get to it. It annoys me to no end.

raystantz

Originally posted by Splinki

Originally posted by Ruyn


Darkfall.  I honestly believe it is the mmorpg currently out there.

 

I wanted desperately to like that game because I really love the whole sandbox idea of gaming. However, because I got my butt kicked on a normal basis because I decided to go Melee over Casting it just kind of drove me nuts.

Plus I prefer either full 3rd person or full 1st person. When I found out it was a 1st person game I was excited, but then I found out that melee was 3rd and was slightly disappointed.

It's not a bad game though if you enjoy PvP, I just personally prefer PvE more then PvP.

The graphics are decent (character models could use some love), exploration is huge and there is some form of crafting. Plus this next 'expansion' looks pretty good.

I liked the idea behind DF as well, but like you.. I enjoy PVE more than PVP.. and when PVP is involved I want it to be directly related to PVE... meaning the things I do in PVE prepare me for PVP. I don't like games where its JUST pvp.. like DF.  I hope your right about Fallen earth.

DarbiiRue

Originally posted by raystantz

Originally posted by Splinki

Originally posted by Ruyn


Darkfall.  I honestly believe it is the mmorpg currently out there.

 

I wanted desperately to like that game because I really love the whole sandbox idea of gaming. However, because I got my butt kicked on a normal basis because I decided to go Melee over Casting it just kind of drove me nuts.

Plus I prefer either full 3rd person or full 1st person. When I found out it was a 1st person game I was excited, but then I found out that melee was 3rd and was slightly disappointed.

It's not a bad game though if you enjoy PvP, I just personally prefer PvE more then PvP.

The graphics are decent (character models could use some love), exploration is huge and there is some form of crafting. Plus this next 'expansion' looks pretty good.

I liked the idea behind DF as well, but like you.. I enjoy PVE more than PVP.. and when PVP is involved I want it to be directly related to PVE... meaning the things I do in PVE prepare me for PVP. I don't like games where its JUST pvp.. like DF.  I hope your right about Fallen earth.

 

Yep, I share your sentiments exactly.

As far as Fallen Earth, I really hope its what your looking for. I understand the desire to play fantasy games but this one is pretty unique in my opinion. Let me put it this way, my boyfriend is in absolute shock that I'm playing it (he's still playing WoW with our best friend) and that I'm not minding playing it alone without them.

Are you into crafting & gathering? If so, there's tons of that to be had.

Reklaw

Originally posted by raystantz

Originally posted by Reklaw


What is important to find like minded people that do not have this rush to cap lvl asap mentality. It's not the game, it's the people's playstyle.
I am still wondering when did get this mentality into this genre about wanting to catch up with others, if you have friends that tell you to rush or a guild to tell you to rush and if you dislike that, why do you go ahead and still do what they tell you?
I'ts simply not the games, but the people you surround yourself with. As a matter of fact it's a none-issue as it's something that you and only you could control.

Read my example I posted for WoW.. I cannot control that. The game is designed to cater to those people. Nothing I can do will allow me to experience the same content as everyone else unless I play like everyone else. It just isn't going to happen. 

 

I can't raid current content, and I can 't raid past content.. because its obsolete now. Thats my issue, content becomes obsolete before I ever get to it. It annoys me to no end.

My mistake, I don't raid cause for me it has no use due to the way I like to play and enjoy games in this genre and I am not about competition in this genre, I play other genre's for that, but regardless I never had a game where I couldn't find like-minded people, but because of what I said, I do not raid, it aint my style, but then again I also do not worry about getting the same content as let's say someone else.

 

So I can understand your issue somewhat because you like to raid. But I still will stand with my comment about finding like-minded people and simply do not worry what content others might be getting. Unless like you say you like Raiding.

Currently I am enjoying Fallen Earth, which has some other issue's but so far the experiance it is giving me is enjoyeble and fun, but it's not a mainstream game. So not sure what your take would be on that game.

raystantz

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by raystantz

Originally posted by Reklaw


What is important to find like minded people that do not have this rush to cap lvl asap mentality. It's not the game, it's the people's playstyle.
I am still wondering when did get this mentality into this genre about wanting to catch up with others, if you have friends that tell you to rush or a guild to tell you to rush and if you dislike that, why do you go ahead and still do what they tell you?
I'ts simply not the games, but the people you surround yourself with. As a matter of fact it's a none-issue as it's something that you and only you could control.

Read my example I posted for WoW.. I cannot control that. The game is designed to cater to those people. Nothing I can do will allow me to experience the same content as everyone else unless I play like everyone else. It just isn't going to happen. 

 

I can't raid current content, and I can 't raid past content.. because its obsolete now. Thats my issue, content becomes obsolete before I ever get to it. It annoys me to no end.

My mistake, I don't raid cause for me it has no use due to the way I like to play and enjoy games in this genre and I am not about competition in this genre, I play other genre's for that, but regardless I never had a game where I couldn't find like-minded people, but because of what I said, I do not raid, it aint my style, but then again I also do not worry about getting the same content as let's say someone else.

 

So I can understand your issue somewhat because you like to raid. But I still will stand with my comment about finding like-minded people and simply do not worry what content others might be getting. Unless like you say you like Raiding.

Currently I am enjoying Fallen Earth, which has some other issue's but so far the experiance it is giving me is enjoyeble and fun, but it's not a mainstream game. So not sure what your take would be on that game.

Its about having goals. In WoW raiding is part of the normal content. Its not some special form of content only for certain players. I pay my 15.00 a month to have access to it just like everyone else. But because of WoW's design.. there is no reason at all for anyone to want to do it when there are better ways to progress. Blizzard makes the instances and gear obsolete to the point where its just an empty shell in a zone that you pass through. People still run them rarely for achievements.. but its not the same. FFXI is the only game I know of where most of the content that was introduced on day 1.. is still just as viable today.

Swoogie

Originally posted by Reklaw


What is important to find like minded people that do not have this rush to cap lvl asap mentality. It's not the game, it's the people's playstyle.
I am still wondering when did get this mentality into this genre about wanting to catch up with others, if you have friends that tell you to rush or a guild to tell you to rush and if you dislike that, why do you go ahead and still do what they tell you?
I'ts simply not the games, but the people you surround yourself with. As a matter of fact it's a none-issue as it's something that you and only you could control.

 

I think it began to arise because mose of the "cool" stuff is for the high end stuff. Therefore people race to the top so they can raid and such. get epics!

Briansho

Originally posted by raystantz


 Don't have the "rush to endcap and raid" mentality?
 
I cannot seem to find one so far that isn't thats active.

 

Ultima Online, Wurm Online, Project Entropia(severe cash shop), Roma Victor.

Nightbringe1

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf


Gamers inherintly want to win, it's what comes with the gamer mindset.
 
In an MMO winning is hitting the end and doing so as fast as you can, so every MMO will have a majority of players doing this.  Same mentality that makes gamers keep buying $60 console games and beating them in 2 days, they just want to win.
 
The MMO players who got into the genre for more of the social aspect and not from being a heavy gamer before hand tend to play through more slowly and experience all the content.

 

That is not entirely true.

I've been a hard-core gamer since the early 80's and have never viewed MMO's as a race.

Now, put me in a table-top strategy game and my competative side comes out.

DiSpLiFF

 there are a lot of mmos coming out 2010 that get away from the fantasy mmo clone after clone. 

raystantz

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf


Gamers inherintly want to win, it's what comes with the gamer mindset.
 
In an MMO winning is hitting the end and doing so as fast as you can, so every MMO will have a majority of players doing this.  Same mentality that makes gamers keep buying $60 console games and beating them in 2 days, they just want to win.
 
The MMO players who got into the genre for more of the social aspect and not from being a heavy gamer before hand tend to play through more slowly and experience all the content.

 

That is not entirely true.

I've been a hard-core gamer since the early 80's and have never viewed MMO's as a race.

Now, put me in a table-top strategy game and my competative side comes out.

Yep, EQ and UO were never about rushing to end game.. and players weren't interested in such, for the most part. But, enter WoW and they combined the MMO genre with the Halo generation, and thus why we are in the situation we are in.

libranim

Originally posted by raystantz


 I've tried to play WoW like that, and what I find ends up happening.. is that in order to be in a guild.. you either have to find one thats ok with that.. or change guilds as you level. 
 
Because since everyone else is rushing to end cap, you find yourself always behind the line of content and you literally miss everything.. because by the time you get to it.. its not being ran anymore...
 
for me it was like this..
 
1-50 found out BC was coming out.. I joined a guild, and they told me to hurry up and get 60 so I could raid..
I don't level fast.. so... I finally get to 60.. and I run MC twice. BC hits...
Everyone in my guild is 70 within the week.. I'm 63.. They all begin to start raiding Kara...
I hit 70, and everything in Kara is on farm, and they've moved onto the next instance, while I still need stuff from Kara.. they don't run it anymore and pug groups are worthless.
It stays like this all the way until when WOTLK comes out.. again.. people are 80 within the week... and already raiding the 80 dungeons. By the time I get to 80.. they've moved on..
 
See where I am going with this? I'm trying to find a game where I can "not rush" and still complete all the content.. Its obsolete in WoW by the time I get to it.

 

You joined the wrong guild then,

usually if you really want to enjoy a slow-paced leveling, join a guild that specifically aims for this... ergh... there are plenty of RP guilds that to this, ofcourse your preference might not be this... but I am certain there are guilds that emphasize more on actual playing than the usual mentality that 90%+ people in wow possess (which is OMG GET THAT SHINY LOOT OMG)

 edit: sorry, failure in reading comp T_T

WoW releases expansions in a relatively good pace, given that it gives a year or two for people to 'catch up', but yea, if you want to enjoy end-game raid AND enjoy a slow-paced more loose environment... that can't describe wow.

I recommend lotro, given that I don't really enjoy the game, it still has what you prefer in mmos.

raystantz

Originally posted by libranim

Originally posted by raystantz


 I've tried to play WoW like that, and what I find ends up happening.. is that in order to be in a guild.. you either have to find one thats ok with that.. or change guilds as you level. 
 
Because since everyone else is rushing to end cap, you find yourself always behind the line of content and you literally miss everything.. because by the time you get to it.. its not being ran anymore...
 
for me it was like this..
 
1-50 found out BC was coming out.. I joined a guild, and they told me to hurry up and get 60 so I could raid..
I don't level fast.. so... I finally get to 60.. and I run MC twice. BC hits...
Everyone in my guild is 70 within the week.. I'm 63.. They all begin to start raiding Kara...
I hit 70, and everything in Kara is on farm, and they've moved onto the next instance, while I still need stuff from Kara.. they don't run it anymore and pug groups are worthless.
It stays like this all the way until when WOTLK comes out.. again.. people are 80 within the week... and already raiding the 80 dungeons. By the time I get to 80.. they've moved on..
 
See where I am going with this? I'm trying to find a game where I can "not rush" and still complete all the content.. Its obsolete in WoW by the time I get to it.

 

You joined the wrong guild then,

usually if you really want to enjoy a slow-paced leveling, join a guild that specifically aims for this... ergh... there are plenty of RP guilds that to this, ofcourse your preference might not be this... but I am certain there are guilds that emphasize more on actual playing than the usual mentality that 90%+ people in wow possess (which is OMG GET THAT SHINY LOOT OMG)

 edit: sorry, failure in reading comp T_T

WoW releases expansions in a relatively good pace, given that it gives a year or two for people to 'catch up', but yea, if you want to enjoy end-game raid AND enjoy a slow-paced more loose environment... that can't describe wow.

I recommend lotro, given that I don't really enjoy the game, it still has what you prefer in mmos.

I tried that. I tried RP guilds, I tried social guilds. The bottom line.. is that in WoW if you want to complete the content they release.. you have to be in the 90th percentile of how everyone else plays. Thats how they base the updates and content, so thats how you have to play. If the content wasn't made obsolete after the next update, it would make more sense.. but everything pre <whatever patch it is right now> is null and void.

I tried LOTRO, I even went as far as buying it. But, there's no PVP (monster play doesn't count) and I already know whats going to happen before it happens.. so its not that thrilling. I've been playing EQ2 currently.

mindw0rk

 I dont have an urge to rush playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. There is alot to do during leveling.

Fallen Earth is a good one too.

 

johnmatthais

 A Tale In the Desert =]

Only thing is - no combat.

I s'pose EvE also has this mentality.

Athcear

Other than WoW, and those games that are trying to emulate Wow (like Aion, Alganon, Warhammer, and AoC), most games don't seem to follow this trend.  And WoW didn't even have this trend until the middle of Burning Crusade.  It was only after people started making a fuss about various "firsts" and the idea that one needed to "catch up" that this problem arose.

I took my sweet time while leveling in WoW, and was always behind the curve.  I found like-minded people, and played with them, and my guild was very successful.  I did the same in EQ2 and Lotro, leveling slowly and meeting people along the way, and am presently doing the same in Spellborn, and have no trouble with everything suddenly being "obsolete."  I'm looking forward to a similar experience in Allods and SWtOR.  This is entirely a construction of Blizzard, and stems from their poor design philosophies.

superhearts2

well i have no idea what the question means but if its about story then Guild Wars could be a good bet or Lord of the rings online

pojung

OP:

LotRO would fit your description. There's a sort of balance between solo and grouping, and more of an emphasis on lore than anything else. <~ from what I've read from various dependable sources. Mileage may vary.

Future MMO? FFXIV is what I'm holding onto as hope for redemption of the fantasy MMO side of the house. If it's anything like FFXI, then the slow, casual grind, with active social involvement... will be wonderful.

 

I think the pangs you describe are related to games whose emphasis is on the levels themselves. It's a concept that ties directly into a developer giving their own product a 'due date'. Once you reach that number, it's attempt after attempt by the developer to keep their product from 'perishing'.

Levels themselves aren't bad, but as has been noted previously in this thread, the focus of the game must reside in other things, and those things can't be level-dependant.

Osmosis. Such a simple concept, but one that keeps being ignored by studios, much to every gamer's dismay.

heocat

Maybe DDO they never really pumped up the fast track except for those that want to pay to bump up.

rello

Play Final Fantasy XI , its deceptively fun.

RealmLords

Yeah, the rush to raid style of game really bites.

I think the real problem is that grouping  a wide range of levels is so severely punished in most games.   Things like a level 60 with a level 10 in a level 30 dungeon.  The 10 gets eaten, gets crap for XP, the 60 gets nothing and the loot is so worthless there's not even a reason to farm it.

What kind of fun is that?

I know the level range segregation is to keep the game linear, and players spread out all over the world.  How does this help when everyone is at max cap and jammed into one tiny town running the same 10 dungeons over and over and over.

 

Ken

 

Bahbus

Dungeons and Dragons Online. No rush whatsoever.

rello

Originally posted by RealmLords


Yeah, the rush to raid style of game really bites.
I think the real problem is that grouping  a wide range of levels is so severely punished in most games.   Things like a level 60 with a level 10 in a level 30 dungeon.  The 10 gets eaten, gets crap for XP, the 60 gets nothing and the loot is so worthless there's not even a reason to farm it.
What kind of fun is that?
I know the level range segregation is to keep the game linear, and players spread out all over the world.  How does this help when everyone is at max cap and jammed into one tiny town running the same 10 dungeons over and over and over.
 
Ken
 

 

Final Fantasy XI and many other games have a Level Sync tool to sync everyones level.

RealmLords

Sounds interesting.  I'll look it up.

 

Ken