Wrong.. this is actually still true. Agree to disagree? Don't forget to add rule#2 as well: powergamers with no life will still rush to the cap and whine, no matter the difficulty and grind you put in an MMO they had to fight across to reach it Don't really see the point, this has nothing to do with my statements. Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again. Where did I ever mention anything about the level cap? As I said, I am well aware the plans for this games future, I don't need to harrass LH for information I am already aware of.
Originally posted by DonnieBrasco You DO know, there is no such thing as "endgame", right? Expansions are on the way, with level cap increase....
At the moment there certainly is an endgame.
Yes, it will be expanded upon in the future, but for now it is what it is. Are you seriously trying to use the old argument that "mmo's have no endgame because they are constantly evolving"? because that lost staying power years ago.
Wrong.. this is actually still true.
Don't forget to add rule#2 as well: powergamers with no life will still rush to the cap and whine, no matter the difficulty and grind you put in an MMO they had to fight across to reach it
Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again.
DB
You are arguing the sky isn't blue, and its pretty irritating to be blunt. There are tons of people at endgame(as it stands now), and tons of people that aren't particularly happy with it. Icarus won't/can't put out content fast enough to keep this simple reality from being true. And if/when they do put out content that makes the endgame better.... well we damn well won't be complaining about it then will we.
Endgame is what it is now. You can blather on about what end-game is at level 60, 70, 80, 150 when that content is added. Leaning on it as an excuse for a lack of content now is just that.... an excuse.
Also I like how heavily your leaning on your "Powergamers are dorks" card now that your using that as your excuse for not knowing elementary knowledge about the game. That's Aces bud.
Endgame is what it is now. You can blather on about what end-game is at level 60, 70, 80, 150 when that content is added. Leaning on it as an excuse for a lack of content now is just that.... an excuse.
Also I like how heavily your leaning on your "Powergamers are dorks" card now that your using that as your excuse for not knowing elementary knowledge about the game. That's Aces bud.
Exactly, glad I wasn't the only one who caught that.
Ah I see, so you think 1v1 duels are indicative of how solid a build is? I'll be awaiting your results with open arms and a smile on my face. It would be great if you performed these tests against known pvp'ers too, not just random unknowns. My apologies if I came off offensive, because I really am interested in your results. It's late here and I'm having trouble sleeping so I am rather edgy.
Yes, 1vs1 is the best way for testing and to notice any difference if there is one heh.
The bigger the group is the less significant the build is on it's own, common sense.
And yes I want to duel some good players.
I have Paris in mind because he claims that his build is awesome even though I think he is just being modest and is just a good player.
We'll see.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Wrong.. this is actually still true. Agree to disagree? Sure, no issue there. Don't forget to add rule#2 as well: powergamers with no life will still rush to the cap and whine, no matter the difficulty and grind you put in an MMO they had to fight across to reach it Don't really see the point, this has nothing to do with my statements. Oh yes it does. To many people, endgame is not important. By the time I reach 45, the level cap might as well be 60. So I can't care less about "lost" AP or über builds. Again: mindset. This validates that this game will have no endgame for me, since expansions will come out faster then i play through content. Maybe you see it now. Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again. Where did I ever mention anything about the level cap? As I said, I am well aware the plans for this games future, I don't need to harrass LH for information I am already aware of. So, if you know that, you admit that PVP at 45 is not an endgame, since the cap will be increased? Yeah, didn't think so. We're having a discussion on different planes of existence (lifestyle, mindset, you name it),. so that's where it ends. Take care.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Originally posted by DonnieBrascoDon't really see the point, this has nothing to do with my statements. Oh yes it does. To many people, endgame is not important. By the time I reach 45, the level cap might as well be 60. So I can't care less about "lost" AP or über builds. Again: mindset. This validates that this game will have no endgame for me, since expansions will come out faster then i play through content. Maybe you see it now.
Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again. Where did I ever mention anything about the level cap? As I said, I am well aware the plans for this games future, I don't need to harrass LH for information I am already aware of. So, if you know that, you admit that PVP at 45 is not an endgame, since the cap will be increased? Yeah, didn't think so. We're having a discussion on different planes of existence (lifestyle, mindset, you name it),. so that's where it ends. Take care.
DB
End-game is important to most people. You are in the minority. Why even bother to comment on end-game if you apparently don't play enough to even reach it. It doesn't affect you. You are constantly being critical of players who comment on the game who "haven't even played it"... and yet here you are commenting on a portion of the game you, by your own admission, will never reach. That's called being a hypocrite. Leave it to us "powergamer" dorks who actually understand basic functions of the game... like spinning the faction wheel.
Your second line about level 45 not being end-game is laughable. {mod edit}
Wrong.. this is actually still true. Agree to disagree? Sure, no issue there. Don't forget to add rule#2 as well: powergamers with no life will still rush to the cap and whine, no matter the difficulty and grind you put in an MMO they had to fight across to reach it Don't really see the point, this has nothing to do with my statements. Oh yes it does. To many people, endgame is not important. By the time I reach 45, the level cap might as well be 60. So I can't care less about "lost" AP or über builds. Again: mindset. This validates that this game will have no endgame for me, since expansions will come out faster then i play through content. Maybe you see it now. Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again. Where did I ever mention anything about the level cap? As I said, I am well aware the plans for this games future, I don't need to harrass LH for information I am already aware of. So, if you know that, you admit that PVP at 45 is not an endgame, since the cap will be increased? Yeah, didn't think so. We're having a discussion on different planes of existence (lifestyle, mindset, you name it),. so that's where it ends. Take care.
DB
ROFL. If you didn't make a complete fool out of yourself about the Faction Wheel play. Then you surely do it even more here.
LOTRO was suppose to have the most casual player community. It had no endgame before Mines of Moria expansion.
If your narrow HEAVY opiniated view of the majority not caring about Endgame was true, then LOTRO wouldn't have lost so many subs back at that time.
Turbine wouldn't have panically shifted to gated repeatable content to keep even the more hardcore gamers busy in their game.
They wouldn't have continued to add more and more and more faction grinding to LOTRO if no one cared about Endgame.
Not everyone likes rolling ALT's. A hell lot of people just like to focus one one single character only and take that one to the max.
Sure lots of people try out ALT's, but in the end most people focus and CAP just one single character.
And if there is nothing left to do at the CAP, then people eventually quit. Just like they did in other games like LOTRO back then. As an example.
And people will and already are, leave Fallen Earth too if ICARUS isn't going to do something anytime soon. Either releasing Sector 4 (wich I hardly believe will be soon, seeing how they still have to and need to focus on heavy bugfixing) or overhauling the faction and PVP system.
U know what, i guess maybe i was wrong to bring it up again.. it has lots of positives as well.. just has such high hopes, maybe i just hyped it to myself too much.
U know what, i guess maybe i was wrong to bring it up again.. it has lots of positives as well.. just has such high hopes, maybe i just hyped it to myself too much.
Yes you were wrong because this topic was discussed to death not so long ago and this time I got sucked into it
That was MY mistake though heh.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Well, lets hope ICARUS doesn't listen too much to the fanbois (and not too much to the other whiners either tho, and hope they have enough intelligence and info themselves to know what needs to be done).
Fanbois and ignorant devs have destroyed too many potentional MMO's the last couple years already.
Hate to see Fallen Earth go the same route as it's predecesors.
Oh I like criticism and it's healthy, until it turns into needless whining and bashing. There things that I dont like about FE. I made devs known what those things are on appropriate forums in the suggestions section, you know...where it matters, where a dev will actually read them. Anything more then that when especialy done on non-official sites is just annoying moaning and repeating the same things over and over,bashing the game because it clearly doesn't go your way. THAT's childish and that's why I call you kid. Because I refuse to believe that an adult would act that way. The reason I'm telling you to ragequit is because I see it all the time from posters, it starts with excesive QQ and bashing and ends with a "goodbye" thread and a ragequit. You seem to fit that profile.
This is a discussion forum, it for discussing things. If you don't want to discuss things then maybe you and DB can just hold private chats with each-other and agree on everything. I post detailed point by point suggestion posts on the official forums. You'll notice I don't offer solutions here, or if I do offer solutions they are vague at best. There is a reason for that, as you expressed, its not the place. This is the place however, to have general discussions about the game... that's why its called the "Fallen Earth General Forum" and not the "Fallen Earth is totally awesome and anybody that thinks otherwise can gtfo Forum"
The only issue here is that not everyone actually recognises, and even fewer people actually respect that fact the different people have different playstyles.
Maturity usually comes when you not only are capable of the latter, but also stop trying to imagine that your personal way represents the majority, and also stop kicking and screaming when things (games development direction) do not necessarily go your way exactly. THEN, you might as well won't be whining about it
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Wrong.. this is actually still true. Agree to disagree? Sure, no issue there. Don't forget to add rule#2 as well: powergamers with no life will still rush to the cap and whine, no matter the difficulty and grind you put in an MMO they had to fight across to reach it Don't really see the point, this has nothing to do with my statements. Oh yes it does. To many people, endgame is not important. By the time I reach 45, the level cap might as well be 60. So I can't care less about "lost" AP or über builds. Again: mindset. This validates that this game will have no endgame for me, since expansions will come out faster then i play through content. Maybe you see it now. Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again. Where did I ever mention anything about the level cap? As I said, I am well aware the plans for this games future, I don't need to harrass LH for information I am already aware of. So, if you know that, you admit that PVP at 45 is not an endgame, since the cap will be increased? Yeah, didn't think so. We're having a discussion on different planes of existence (lifestyle, mindset, you name it),. so that's where it ends. Take care.
DB
ROFL. If you didn't make a complete fool out of yourself about the Faction Wheel play. Then you surely do it even more here.
LOTRO was suppose to have the most casual player community. It had no endgame before Mines of Moria expansion.
If your narrow HEAVY opiniated view of the majority not caring about Endgame was true, then LOTRO wouldn't have lost so many subs back at that time.
Turbine wouldn't have panically shifted to gated repeatable content to keep even the more hardcore gamers busy in their game.
They wouldn't have continued to add more and more and more faction grinding to LOTRO if no one cared about Endgame.
Not everyone likes rolling ALT's. A hell lot of people just like to focus one one single character only and take that one to the max.
Sure lots of people try out ALT's, but in the end most people focus and CAP just one single character.
And if there is nothing left to do at the CAP, then people eventually quit. Just like they did in other games like LOTRO back then. As an example.
And people will and already are, leave Fallen Earth too if ICARUS isn't going to do something anytime soon. Either releasing Sector 4 (wich I hardly believe will be soon, seeing how they still have to and need to focus on heavy bugfixing) or overhauling the faction and PVP system.
Cheers
Childish insults aside (mods?), I personally loved LOTRO despite its flaws, till about MoM was released. With way too much focus on grinding though, MoM was largely a disappointment to me. I can understand that introducing more and more grind to keep the attention of "powergamers" was a keeping force for those having the most time to waste play, but I also think it has killed the original spirit of the game, or at least damaged it very much.
You cannot cater to every playstyle. Gain grinders, lose casuals and vica versa. I am sure Lotro has lost many casuals with MoM, and will lose more if the new expansion forces this direction any further. They did lose me, for sure - though only recently.
Truth is, none of us can tell, which playstyle has more players. But casuals can surely be entertained for a lot longer time with the same amount of content, equalling more subscription time. This is a win-win for developers: same content, longer subs for casuals. Also, there is a much broader, and more mature (well, older) group of gamers, with families etc, who have less time to play. Even the worst HC grinders and raiders might have families sometime and will still love games, but - the horror! - they will be casuals with only a few hours to play per week.
So, economically saying, casual games have a much brighter future already. I'm pretty sure Icarus follows the trends.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Originally posted by DonnieBrascoDon't really see the point, this has nothing to do with my statements. Oh yes it does. To many people, endgame is not important. By the time I reach 45, the level cap might as well be 60. So I can't care less about "lost" AP or über builds. Again: mindset. This validates that this game will have no endgame for me, since expansions will come out faster then i play through content. Maybe you see it now.
Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again. Where did I ever mention anything about the level cap? As I said, I am well aware the plans for this games future, I don't need to harrass LH for information I am already aware of. So, if you know that, you admit that PVP at 45 is not an endgame, since the cap will be increased? Yeah, didn't think so. We're having a discussion on different planes of existence (lifestyle, mindset, you name it),. so that's where it ends. Take care.
DB
End-game is important to most people. You are in the minority.
Just do a /who check based on level ranges, see what level the majority of folks are, and then re-phrase a couple of things
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
The only issue here is that not everyone actually recognises, and even fewer people actually respect that fact the different people have different playstyles. Maturity usually comes when you not only are capable of the latter, but also stop trying to imagine that your personal way represents the majority, and also stop kicking and screaming when things (games development direction) do not necessarily go your way exactly. THEN, you might as well won't be whining about it DB
Uhh... it's a little ironic that you would be talking about people lacking respect or maturity after you had so... what's the word... zealously, and incorrectly, argued against my take on the state of the game.
Last I checked, the thread is about whether or not FE is a sandbox MMO or not. My main argument against were essentially that you absolutely cannot maximize your character (via AP) without doing a specific checklist of quest, and metagaming, to earn them. It isn't about whether or those AP have a significant impact or not, because really it's irrelevant to the point that simply, to having to follow a pre-defined specific linear path of gameplay in order to achieve a "completely" developed character, is exactly contrary to what a sandbox MMO is supposed to me.
Furthermore, sandbox MMOs tend to have very strong player based economies, with a strong crafting system backing it. FE's crafting system lacks a great deal of depth and specialization. In addition, the economy is well, near non-existent due to the fact that most players can get by with ease without ever interacting with another player, especially concerning crafted gear. So despite a perceived freedom of being able to craft most anything, it's made irrelevant by the fact that being able to do so means very little since it's very easy for anyone with the inclination to literally craft anything and everything without too much trouble.
Just do a /who check based on level ranges, see what level the majority of folks are, and then re-phrase a couple of things DB
This is even a more silly argument.
If a lot of people are bored at level45, don't feel like grinding their brains out to cap a faction, nor interested in doing pointless PVP (again because of Faction system design flaws).
What you think those people do? Jus log on to chit chat and hang around doing nothing?
They either give up and quit or reroll an ALT.
So yeah. With the current state of the game, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand why not many level45's are online every night.
There are some PVP clans that do some Conflict town PVP now and then. But that's pretty much it.
A lot of people have already left (unfortunately) and some of the loyal fans that reached the cap a while ago and stick around, either rolled an ALT or not logging in much, waiting eagerly for Sector 4 or some other form of content to be added.
So who is thumping their chest and claiming FE is a sandbox? All I see are about 5-6 people on this thread so far stating it's not. Woopy Phukin Doo you don't think it's a sandbox. That's about as pointless as starting a random thread titled "Vaedur is a TROLL". I was going to stay out of this thread,..but surprise surprise I still see some of the same old tired arguments from the same few people from the near identical post from a couple of weeks ago. So,..I don't want to feel left out.
(Throws BS flag)
I'm still waiting to see this official book of MMO classification from one of our intelligent "FE is not a sandbox MMO because of this and that" posters that pop in here to post random crap out of the blue.
Just do a /who check based on level ranges, see what level the majority of folks are, and then re-phrase a couple of things DB
So you argument against people being interested in the end-game is doing a /who check a month after the game's released? Even though multiple people at cap are claiming there is nothing to do and starting alts or not playing at all. That's really what your going to prop yourself up on? That's pathetic. I'm starting to think you really like being flamed
Usually the "endgame" is when you quit playing rpgs (and mmorpgs are rpgs) are not about what to do after you reach a lvl cap, are about the journey of you avatar in the world. If you rush to the endgame and then found nothing, it not a flaw of the game, its simply you are in the wrong genre. You should have played in a genre that give you the "endgame" you want at start and not made you waste you time reaching it. And about the lack of an economy, well, i suppose that im lucky, because i have no problem selling with a nice profit the armors, food, ammo and vehicles i made to sell in the ah
What are you talking about? There is endgame play in most mmo, just not in Fallen Earth. You may not like the endgame play that most have, raids, group instances, pvp, etc...but I'd rather have that than a big nothingness at the level cap. And nobody cares how many chips you can make on the AH because anybody who has been L45 for a little while knows that chips are utterly meaningless in this game if you are a crafter. There is no reason to buy or sell anything because you don't need the chips. Once you have already crafted the gear you want, there is no reason to craft anything either, and since mobs only drop crafting components and junk loot...there's no reason to pve at all.
So yeah, you can sell stuff on the AH and make a bunch of chips, there is simply no reason to do so aside from telling people how many chips you have.
Maybe being a god-like solo killing machine that can craft almost every item in game without ever interacting with another player is a dream mmo for some people, but I just found it boring.
A lot of people did the preorder early start, myself included, that was a 2 or 3 week headstart before the official release. And if I really wanted to get to L45 fast, I could do it in a few days abusing instaspawn guards and such, which I didn't do. And unlike most mmo, leveling just gets easier the higher you are in FE, by L35 you are a solo killing machine pretty much...you could just go slaughter Tannerfield guards for a few hours and be L45 after that if you wanted. Which I wouldn't recommend doing unless you are only interested in pvp and want to get the leveling out of the way asap. It's just easy to level in FE, which was a bad move by Icarus considering they seem to have nothing planned for L45, or if what there is now is the plan, it's really boring. They should have made it 10 times harder to level so they had more time to finish some kind of L45 game.
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At the moment there certainly is an endgame.
Yes, it will be expanded upon in the future, but for now it is what it is. Are you seriously trying to use the old argument that "mmo's have no endgame because they are constantly evolving"? because that lost staying power years ago.
Wrong.. this is actually still true.
Don't forget to add rule#2 as well: powergamers with no life will still rush to the cap and whine, no matter the difficulty and grind you put in an MMO they had to fight across to reach it
Oh, and on the FE part: level cap is planned for 150. Seriously. Ask Lee again.
DB
You are arguing the sky isn't blue, and its pretty irritating to be blunt. There are tons of people at endgame(as it stands now), and tons of people that aren't particularly happy with it. Icarus won't/can't put out content fast enough to keep this simple reality from being true. And if/when they do put out content that makes the endgame better.... well we damn well won't be complaining about it then will we.
Endgame is what it is now. You can blather on about what end-game is at level 60, 70, 80, 150 when that content is added. Leaning on it as an excuse for a lack of content now is just that.... an excuse.
Also I like how heavily your leaning on your "Powergamers are dorks" card now that your using that as your excuse for not knowing elementary knowledge about the game. That's Aces bud.
Hint: take your signatures advice and apply it to yourself.
Exactly, glad I wasn't the only one who caught that.
Yes, 1vs1 is the best way for testing and to notice any difference if there is one heh.
The bigger the group is the less significant the build is on it's own, common sense.
And yes I want to duel some good players.
I have Paris in mind because he claims that his build is awesome even though I think he is just being modest and is just a good player.
We'll see.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
DB
End-game is important to most people. You are in the minority. Why even bother to comment on end-game if you apparently don't play enough to even reach it. It doesn't affect you. You are constantly being critical of players who comment on the game who "haven't even played it"... and yet here you are commenting on a portion of the game you, by your own admission, will never reach. That's called being a hypocrite. Leave it to us "powergamer" dorks who actually understand basic functions of the game... like spinning the faction wheel.
Your second line about level 45 not being end-game is laughable. {mod edit}
DB
ROFL. If you didn't make a complete fool out of yourself about the Faction Wheel play. Then you surely do it even more here.
LOTRO was suppose to have the most casual player community. It had no endgame before Mines of Moria expansion.
If your narrow HEAVY opiniated view of the majority not caring about Endgame was true, then LOTRO wouldn't have lost so many subs back at that time.
Turbine wouldn't have panically shifted to gated repeatable content to keep even the more hardcore gamers busy in their game.
They wouldn't have continued to add more and more and more faction grinding to LOTRO if no one cared about Endgame.
Not everyone likes rolling ALT's. A hell lot of people just like to focus one one single character only and take that one to the max.
Sure lots of people try out ALT's, but in the end most people focus and CAP just one single character.
And if there is nothing left to do at the CAP, then people eventually quit. Just like they did in other games like LOTRO back then. As an example.
And people will and already are, leave Fallen Earth too if ICARUS isn't going to do something anytime soon. Either releasing Sector 4 (wich I hardly believe will be soon, seeing how they still have to and need to focus on heavy bugfixing) or overhauling the faction and PVP system.
Cheers
U know what, i guess maybe i was wrong to bring it up again.. it has lots of positives as well.. just has such high hopes, maybe i just hyped it to myself too much.
Yes you were wrong because this topic was discussed to death not so long ago and this time I got sucked into it
That was MY mistake though heh.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Well, lets hope ICARUS doesn't listen too much to the fanbois (and not too much to the other whiners either tho, and hope they have enough intelligence and info themselves to know what needs to be done).
Fanbois and ignorant devs have destroyed too many potentional MMO's the last couple years already.
Hate to see Fallen Earth go the same route as it's predecesors.
This is a discussion forum, it for discussing things. If you don't want to discuss things then maybe you and DB can just hold private chats with each-other and agree on everything. I post detailed point by point suggestion posts on the official forums. You'll notice I don't offer solutions here, or if I do offer solutions they are vague at best. There is a reason for that, as you expressed, its not the place. This is the place however, to have general discussions about the game... that's why its called the "Fallen Earth General Forum" and not the "Fallen Earth is totally awesome and anybody that thinks otherwise can gtfo Forum"
*edited before the mod monster ate me
The only issue here is that not everyone actually recognises, and even fewer people actually respect that fact the different people have different playstyles.
Maturity usually comes when you not only are capable of the latter, but also stop trying to imagine that your personal way represents the majority, and also stop kicking and screaming when things (games development direction) do not necessarily go your way exactly. THEN, you might as well won't be whining about it
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
DB
ROFL. If you didn't make a complete fool out of yourself about the Faction Wheel play. Then you surely do it even more here.
LOTRO was suppose to have the most casual player community. It had no endgame before Mines of Moria expansion.
If your narrow HEAVY opiniated view of the majority not caring about Endgame was true, then LOTRO wouldn't have lost so many subs back at that time.
Turbine wouldn't have panically shifted to gated repeatable content to keep even the more hardcore gamers busy in their game.
They wouldn't have continued to add more and more and more faction grinding to LOTRO if no one cared about Endgame.
Not everyone likes rolling ALT's. A hell lot of people just like to focus one one single character only and take that one to the max.
Sure lots of people try out ALT's, but in the end most people focus and CAP just one single character.
And if there is nothing left to do at the CAP, then people eventually quit. Just like they did in other games like LOTRO back then. As an example.
And people will and already are, leave Fallen Earth too if ICARUS isn't going to do something anytime soon. Either releasing Sector 4 (wich I hardly believe will be soon, seeing how they still have to and need to focus on heavy bugfixing) or overhauling the faction and PVP system.
Cheers
Childish insults aside (mods?), I personally loved LOTRO despite its flaws, till about MoM was released. With way too much focus on grinding though, MoM was largely a disappointment to me. I can understand that introducing more and more grind to keep the attention of "powergamers" was a keeping force for those having the most time to waste play, but I also think it has killed the original spirit of the game, or at least damaged it very much.
You cannot cater to every playstyle. Gain grinders, lose casuals and vica versa. I am sure Lotro has lost many casuals with MoM, and will lose more if the new expansion forces this direction any further. They did lose me, for sure - though only recently.
Truth is, none of us can tell, which playstyle has more players. But casuals can surely be entertained for a lot longer time with the same amount of content, equalling more subscription time. This is a win-win for developers: same content, longer subs for casuals. Also, there is a much broader, and more mature (well, older) group of gamers, with families etc, who have less time to play. Even the worst HC grinders and raiders might have families sometime and will still love games, but - the horror! - they will be casuals with only a few hours to play per week.
So, economically saying, casual games have a much brighter future already. I'm pretty sure Icarus follows the trends.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
DB
End-game is important to most people. You are in the minority.
Just do a /who check based on level ranges, see what level the majority of folks are, and then re-phrase a couple of things
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Uhh... it's a little ironic that you would be talking about people lacking respect or maturity after you had so... what's the word... zealously, and incorrectly, argued against my take on the state of the game.
Last I checked, the thread is about whether or not FE is a sandbox MMO or not. My main argument against were essentially that you absolutely cannot maximize your character (via AP) without doing a specific checklist of quest, and metagaming, to earn them. It isn't about whether or those AP have a significant impact or not, because really it's irrelevant to the point that simply, to having to follow a pre-defined specific linear path of gameplay in order to achieve a "completely" developed character, is exactly contrary to what a sandbox MMO is supposed to me.
Furthermore, sandbox MMOs tend to have very strong player based economies, with a strong crafting system backing it. FE's crafting system lacks a great deal of depth and specialization. In addition, the economy is well, near non-existent due to the fact that most players can get by with ease without ever interacting with another player, especially concerning crafted gear. So despite a perceived freedom of being able to craft most anything, it's made irrelevant by the fact that being able to do so means very little since it's very easy for anyone with the inclination to literally craft anything and everything without too much trouble.
This is even a more silly argument.
If a lot of people are bored at level45, don't feel like grinding their brains out to cap a faction, nor interested in doing pointless PVP (again because of Faction system design flaws).
What you think those people do? Jus log on to chit chat and hang around doing nothing?
They either give up and quit or reroll an ALT.
So yeah. With the current state of the game, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand why not many level45's are online every night.
There are some PVP clans that do some Conflict town PVP now and then. But that's pretty much it.
A lot of people have already left (unfortunately) and some of the loyal fans that reached the cap a while ago and stick around, either rolled an ALT or not logging in much, waiting eagerly for Sector 4 or some other form of content to be added.
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So who is thumping their chest and claiming FE is a sandbox? All I see are about 5-6 people on this thread so far stating it's not. Woopy Phukin Doo you don't think it's a sandbox. That's about as pointless as starting a random thread titled "Vaedur is a TROLL". I was going to stay out of this thread,..but surprise surprise I still see some of the same old tired arguments from the same few people from the near identical post from a couple of weeks ago. So,..I don't want to feel left out.
(Throws BS flag)
I'm still waiting to see this official book of MMO classification from one of our intelligent "FE is not a sandbox MMO because of this and that" posters that pop in here to post random crap out of the blue.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
So you argument against people being interested in the end-game is doing a /who check a month after the game's released? Even though multiple people at cap are claiming there is nothing to do and starting alts or not playing at all. That's really what your going to prop yourself up on? That's pathetic. I'm starting to think you really like being flamed
Usually the "endgame" is when you quit playing
rpgs (and mmorpgs are rpgs) are not about what to do after you reach a lvl cap, are about the journey of you avatar in the world. If you rush to the endgame and then found nothing, it not a flaw of the game, its simply you are in the wrong genre. You should have played in a genre that give you the "endgame" you want at start and not made you waste you time reaching it.
And about the lack of an economy, well, i suppose that im lucky, because i have no problem selling with a nice profit the armors, food, ammo and vehicles i made to sell in the ah
What are you talking about? There is endgame play in most mmo, just not in Fallen Earth. You may not like the endgame play that most have, raids, group instances, pvp, etc...but I'd rather have that than a big nothingness at the level cap. And nobody cares how many chips you can make on the AH because anybody who has been L45 for a little while knows that chips are utterly meaningless in this game if you are a crafter. There is no reason to buy or sell anything because you don't need the chips. Once you have already crafted the gear you want, there is no reason to craft anything either, and since mobs only drop crafting components and junk loot...there's no reason to pve at all.
So yeah, you can sell stuff on the AH and make a bunch of chips, there is simply no reason to do so aside from telling people how many chips you have.
Maybe being a god-like solo killing machine that can craft almost every item in game without ever interacting with another player is a dream mmo for some people, but I just found it boring.
I can see no reason why someone would be max level in a MMO after only a month.
How many hours do you have into the game in that month I ask you?
A lot of people did the preorder early start, myself included, that was a 2 or 3 week headstart before the official release. And if I really wanted to get to L45 fast, I could do it in a few days abusing instaspawn guards and such, which I didn't do. And unlike most mmo, leveling just gets easier the higher you are in FE, by L35 you are a solo killing machine pretty much...you could just go slaughter Tannerfield guards for a few hours and be L45 after that if you wanted. Which I wouldn't recommend doing unless you are only interested in pvp and want to get the leveling out of the way asap. It's just easy to level in FE, which was a bad move by Icarus considering they seem to have nothing planned for L45, or if what there is now is the plan, it's really boring. They should have made it 10 times harder to level so they had more time to finish some kind of L45 game.
I defeated this thread with my epic uberness on page one, what are people still arguing for? ;-)
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