So I have been perusing the forums for a while for this game and there were a few topics I wanted to touch on, good and bad. To start, I will be playing this game. As a Trek fan it is my duty to support the IP, regardless of if the game is good or bad, if we want more trek we need to support the IP.
This is a very troubling attitude and it is one that should never be espoused. This is the type of attitude that leads to mediocrity and mindless consumerism.
If Star Trek Online is a bad game, should we support it simply because it carries the name "Star Trek"? Most certainly not. Doing so would give the impression that they could release any old half made piece of crap with the Star Trek name and we'll mindlessly buy it and pay monthly for the privilege of playing it.
By not supporting a poorly made game with the Star Trek name, we show those in charge that they'll simply have to do better with their next attempt. And, if this game does fail because it is bad, there is always the chance they will make a new Star Trek MMO, just look at Star Wars Galaxies and Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Saying "As a Trek fan it is my duty to support the IP, regardless of quality" is just shooting yourself in the foot because then you are assured mediocre Trek products, there will never be the incentive to improve. That's why we got junk like Voyager and Enterprise.
Just curious here, but for all those that have been going on about 'Star Trek isn't just about combat'. While I agree with you; have you read the Back Story for THIS GAME? Not ST lore, not the movies, nothing else but THIS GAME? Because from what I've read of it, the whole back story is the whole place is AT WAR. Now I agree that they could have done so much more with the IP and frankly I would have rather had a game set in the classic trek universe that would have given us diplo, exploration and combat, but that's not what they did. Instead they jumped the years ahead and set up a universe in conflict. While that should still give us a (smaller) chance for diplo and exploring the main focus would be combat and that's what they're giving us. We may not like the lore they set up, but they do seem to be running with that lore. Will it be a good game? Who knows. I plan on trying it and if I can get a years worth of enjoyment out of it (like PotBS gave me) I'll call it a personal success.
Yes, and if *I* write into the lore that there was a massive incurable space plague, I don't have to code NPCs into the game either. Or you, for that matter. The backstory supports the game you're making. Writing into the story that 'everything's at war' is a blatant grab for a heavily combat-based game in an IP that bounces between war and peace, combat and exploration. As long as you can get PAST the war, rock on. If it will entirely saturate the game, then it'll get boring fast.
To start, I will be playing this game. As a Trek fan it is my duty to support the IP, regardless of if the game is good or bad, if we want more trek we need to support the IP.
Sorry, I don't support shit in the hopes a better turd will come along after it.
You want to support the IP? Buy the DVD's and buy the books.
Preach on brother......
I would not buy a POS, if I knew it was a POS, just because it belonged to an IP I liked.
How many crappy Star Trek games have been released over the years? Couple dozen? I didn't play any of those, either.
People like the OP are the reason the big development houses continue to shovel crap out, title after title, because they say to themselves, "Ship the game now, doesn't matter if it is crappy/buggy/broken, it has "(Insert IP here) on the box, people that like that IP will buy it even if it sucks, so no need to spend more polishing/fixing it."
Anyone who intentionally buys a crappy game is an idiot, and only rewards bad behavior.
Originally posted by Aurorus Well this is the best shit we've got atm.
And that right there is exactly what Cryptic is banking on. They don't care about your feedback, or what anyone else thinks, because THEY'RE ALL YOU'VE GOT.
Funnily enough, SOE thought the same. Then Bioware entered the scene. Just like there is now another Star Wars mmo coming out, there WILL be another BETTER Star Trek mmo in the future.
Hey Z, dunno what your strong objection is to this game ( I don't do much forum trolling these days) but it doesn' t look that bad to me. Dunno, reminds me of the old Sega game "Star Trek The Next Generation" game.
Did you know SOE is making another Star Wars MMO? Yup, The Clone Wars using the Freerealms engine and probably format.
Your post seems to act like this Lore was some brilliant innovation that wrote itself and Cryptic just had to deal with it. In reality they made the lore so that they didn't have to worry much about non-combat stuff.
Originally posted by USFPutty
Yes, and if *I* write into the lore that there was a massive incurable space plague, I don't have to code NPCs into the game either. Or you, for that matter. The backstory supports the game you're making. Writing into the story that 'everything's at war' is a blatant grab for a heavily combat-based game in an IP that bounces between war and peace, combat and exploration. As long as you can get PAST the war, rock on. If it will entirely saturate the game, then it'll get boring fast.
I know this is all Cryptic's game lore (well maybe not *all* as someone at the IP had to sign off on it). I'm just saying that atleast it appears that they're being up front about what the game will be about (based on their lore). I think it would be a lot worse if they said 'come join Capt. Kirk on his 5 year mission. Meet new aliens and promote peace!' and then game us a combat game.
I don't know, maybe Cryptic can't write a diplo / exploration game to save their lives.
Basically I agree with the OP in that if this is the game you where waiting for, I would do what was necessary to make it viable if possible. That doesn't mean supporting a big piece of Doo-Doo. Lets take Vanguard for a good comparision. That game appealed to a hard core base that not many companies want to make games for (limited audiance). It came out early due to money problems and such, but had a good core game, but with many bugs. The community (hardcores) got mad and left the game and now have nothing to play and nothing in the horizon either. The game got sold to SOE who did a rather marvilous job at fixing it up and changing it to be one more friendly to the masses, which of course left the hard core bunch out in the cold. I really don't see Star Trek as lacking in as it has opposing factions of Klingon and Federation, exploration where you can name planets, quests which are suppose to be like TV episodes, and full customization of avatars and ships! But if it had 75% of what I wanted i would stick around to help shape the game if it has the main compoenent I require...FUN!
Those that want this game to consist of mostly non-combat or bridge crewed by players really should go elsewhere as Cryptic has been up front with what their vision for the game was. Basing that the game will fail because it doesn't cater to your desires is unrealistic as they aren't trying to please your crowd. They have more than enough people who like their vision as long as they deliver on the fun factor!
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
"Then they shouldn't have taken on the IP to begin with."
Your opinion and I for one am happy they did! Once again we are arguing about those of you this game wasn't designed for verus those of us that are happy with their design choices. Could they have designed it to please both sides? Who knows but it really doesn't matter does it? Cryptic wanted to design it the way they did and you knew that from the first game release they posted. For two years those that wanted something else have complained here at MMORPG, guess what they aren't going to change their view to yours it seems fair to say. As many of us who like their vision over yours, I'm personally happy there isn't just a Federation game based on ship exploits... how horribly boring!
Originally posted by Aurorus Well this is the best shit we've got atm.
And that right there is exactly what Cryptic is banking on. They don't care about your feedback, or what anyone else thinks, because THEY'RE ALL YOU'VE GOT.
Funnily enough, SOE thought the same. Then Bioware entered the scene. Just like there is now another Star Wars mmo coming out, there WILL be another BETTER Star Trek mmo in the future.
Hey Z, dunno what your strong objection is to this game ( I don't do much forum trolling these days) but it doesn' t look that bad to me. Dunno, reminds me of the old Sega game "Star Trek The Next Generation" game.
Did you know SOE is making another Star Wars MMO? Yup, The Clone Wars using the Freerealms engine and probably format.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Did you know SOE is making another Star Wars MMO? Yup, The Clone Wars using the Freerealms engine and probably format.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Well seeing as how Lucas Arts mandated the license holder to make said changes (NGE) I'm not sure why they wouldn't. SWG as it was launched was an excellent game.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
I almost choked when I read that too, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Han shot FIRST, damn it!!
I was more annoyed with the change in Bob Fett's voice and putting Hayden Cristensan in ROTJ.
While I agree with much that the OP says regarding the Tank/Healer/DPS set up, I'm stuck on the same point as most posters here, supporting the game just because it's got the Trek name.
I bought WAR because I'm a long time Warhammer fan. I didn't like the game. I didn't subscribe.
But I tried it for myself and weighed it against what I personally wanted in a game. And that's all you can really do, Fanboi or not.
If you're the type that wants to wait for a free trial, by all means do. It's a very smart choice considering some of this year's disappointments. If you feel like gambling on the price of a box, go ahead. The only way you'll know if you like it is if you try it yourself.
That being said, for the love of Star Trek I paid to see both "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" in the theatre. This cost close to half of what the STO box will be, and that was only about 4 hours of "entertainment" (I use that term lightly). But I watched them and decided for myself.
The mistake would have been to go back three more times each and then buy the 'Special Collectors Edition Blu Ray Release with 6 Minutes of Unseen Footage' (even though I don't own a Blu Ray player) just because I like Trek.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
I almost choked when I read that too, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
I hope...
It's blindingly obvious he was being sarcastic. Problem is, when some people start fighting they tend to put blinders on and assume the guy they are disagreeing with couldn't agree with them on anything.
I say it was blindingly obvious because, MMO Doubter is clearly conceding that SWG was a bad product. He then expresses surprise as Ktanner's surprise (that Lucas would let people who made a bad product make another bad product) -- that's MMO Doubter's "Really?" btw. That expression of surprise from Doubter only makes sense if Doubter is either being incoherent (which he's not in almost all cases) or takes it as a given that Lucas would do such things. The latter interpretation is clearly the much better fit to the facts. Given that, his last statement on Lucas must be sarcastic.
Now, there are those who'd say I am jumping to conclusions with this. And that I shouldn't have any firm opinions on what Doubter said until he releases more information and explains himself fully. I'm pretty dang confident I am right and have sufficient information though.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Han shot FIRST, damn it!!
I was more annoyed with the change in Bob Fett's voice and putting Hayden Cristensan in ROTJ.
Those changes convinced me that Lucas needs a visit from the men in white who will provide him with a nice white coat with the sleeves strapped to it and a padded room for him to roll around in.
Once again the doomsayers and trolls are out in force. I love how the people who haven't even played this game come out to decry it based on what they assume must be true by what they've read-into about random quotes from "more or less official" sources. The OPs post was a good one, and I agree with it to a large extent. You guys have nothing to worry about, the game will be fine. What are you going to say if the game is actually good but you've just spent the last 6 months talking about how crap it was going to be and trying to scare off potential customers? What the hell is wrong with you? Wait until you play the game!
LOL.
Who's troling here?
And even better:
Who's playing yet - unless one is in beta?
To the "more or less official sources":
We (at least the majority of us, those NOT in beta) do not have anything else than the official forums, dev interviews/releses and those unofficial sources like this site and others like it.
"Wait until you play the game":
I will reserve my "ultimate judgement" until i did, but that dos not stop me to take part in an ongoing discussion, nor should it.
Until i can see for myself, i will make my own use of the info available and draw my own conclusions/form my own expectations about the game.
As do you i presume.
So i would REALLY, TRULY appreciate it if you'd keep such advice as "wait until you play the game" or "shut up and play" to yourself.
Did you know SOE is making another Star Wars MMO? Yup, The Clone Wars using the Freerealms engine and probably format.
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Well seeing as how Lucas Arts mandated the license holder to make said changes (NGE) I'm not sure why they wouldn't. SWG as it was launched was an excellent game.
Yup, everything I have ever read on the subject pretty says that Lucas Arts was really unhappy with SWG and felt that the 300k subscribers was to low (and it was bleeding off at the time) and really pinned SOE into "doing something" about it.
From what I understand (and from what I remember) SWG was losing subs, it was complex and not very new player friendly. It was too unlike everything else about the SW universe (to Lucas Arts) who wanted fast paced excitement. If you think about the movies for a second, you will see their point of view. All Star Wars movies are non-stop action with some generic space opera story smired on top.
It's still a huge controversy even today and everyone has their opinion. Mine is they were in a no win situation.
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This is a very troubling attitude and it is one that should never be espoused. This is the type of attitude that leads to mediocrity and mindless consumerism.
If Star Trek Online is a bad game, should we support it simply because it carries the name "Star Trek"? Most certainly not. Doing so would give the impression that they could release any old half made piece of crap with the Star Trek name and we'll mindlessly buy it and pay monthly for the privilege of playing it.
By not supporting a poorly made game with the Star Trek name, we show those in charge that they'll simply have to do better with their next attempt. And, if this game does fail because it is bad, there is always the chance they will make a new Star Trek MMO, just look at Star Wars Galaxies and Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Saying "As a Trek fan it is my duty to support the IP, regardless of quality" is just shooting yourself in the foot because then you are assured mediocre Trek products, there will never be the incentive to improve. That's why we got junk like Voyager and Enterprise.
Yes, and if *I* write into the lore that there was a massive incurable space plague, I don't have to code NPCs into the game either. Or you, for that matter. The backstory supports the game you're making. Writing into the story that 'everything's at war' is a blatant grab for a heavily combat-based game in an IP that bounces between war and peace, combat and exploration. As long as you can get PAST the war, rock on. If it will entirely saturate the game, then it'll get boring fast.
Sorry, I don't support shit in the hopes a better turd will come along after it.
You want to support the IP? Buy the DVD's and buy the books.
Preach on brother......
I would not buy a POS, if I knew it was a POS, just because it belonged to an IP I liked.
How many crappy Star Trek games have been released over the years? Couple dozen? I didn't play any of those, either.
People like the OP are the reason the big development houses continue to shovel crap out, title after title, because they say to themselves, "Ship the game now, doesn't matter if it is crappy/buggy/broken, it has "(Insert IP here) on the box, people that like that IP will buy it even if it sucks, so no need to spend more polishing/fixing it."
Anyone who intentionally buys a crappy game is an idiot, and only rewards bad behavior.
And that right there is exactly what Cryptic is banking on. They don't care about your feedback, or what anyone else thinks, because THEY'RE ALL YOU'VE GOT.
Funnily enough, SOE thought the same. Then Bioware entered the scene. Just like there is now another Star Wars mmo coming out, there WILL be another BETTER Star Trek mmo in the future.
Hey Z, dunno what your strong objection is to this game ( I don't do much forum trolling these days) but it doesn' t look that bad to me. Dunno, reminds me of the old Sega game "Star Trek The Next Generation" game.
Did you know SOE is making another Star Wars MMO? Yup, The Clone Wars using the Freerealms engine and probably format.
www.massively.com/2009/09/04/rumor-soe-to-launch-casual-browser-mmo-for-clone-wars/
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
I thought LucasArts was the driving force behind the NGE.
Your post seems to act like this Lore was some brilliant innovation that wrote itself and Cryptic just had to deal with it. In reality they made the lore so that they didn't have to worry much about non-combat stuff.
Originally posted by USFPutty
Yes, and if *I* write into the lore that there was a massive incurable space plague, I don't have to code NPCs into the game either. Or you, for that matter. The backstory supports the game you're making. Writing into the story that 'everything's at war' is a blatant grab for a heavily combat-based game in an IP that bounces between war and peace, combat and exploration. As long as you can get PAST the war, rock on. If it will entirely saturate the game, then it'll get boring fast.
I know this is all Cryptic's game lore (well maybe not *all* as someone at the IP had to sign off on it). I'm just saying that atleast it appears that they're being up front about what the game will be about (based on their lore). I think it would be a lot worse if they said 'come join Capt. Kirk on his 5 year mission. Meet new aliens and promote peace!' and then game us a combat game.
I don't know, maybe Cryptic can't write a diplo / exploration game to save their lives.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
Basically I agree with the OP in that if this is the game you where waiting for, I would do what was necessary to make it viable if possible. That doesn't mean supporting a big piece of Doo-Doo. Lets take Vanguard for a good comparision. That game appealed to a hard core base that not many companies want to make games for (limited audiance). It came out early due to money problems and such, but had a good core game, but with many bugs. The community (hardcores) got mad and left the game and now have nothing to play and nothing in the horizon either. The game got sold to SOE who did a rather marvilous job at fixing it up and changing it to be one more friendly to the masses, which of course left the hard core bunch out in the cold. I really don't see Star Trek as lacking in as it has opposing factions of Klingon and Federation, exploration where you can name planets, quests which are suppose to be like TV episodes, and full customization of avatars and ships! But if it had 75% of what I wanted i would stick around to help shape the game if it has the main compoenent I require...FUN!
Those that want this game to consist of mostly non-combat or bridge crewed by players really should go elsewhere as Cryptic has been up front with what their vision for the game was. Basing that the game will fail because it doesn't cater to your desires is unrealistic as they aren't trying to please your crowd. They have more than enough people who like their vision as long as they deliver on the fun factor!
Then they shouldn't have taken on the IP to begin with.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
"Then they shouldn't have taken on the IP to begin with."
Your opinion and I for one am happy they did! Once again we are arguing about those of you this game wasn't designed for verus those of us that are happy with their design choices. Could they have designed it to please both sides? Who knows but it really doesn't matter does it? Cryptic wanted to design it the way they did and you knew that from the first game release they posted. For two years those that wanted something else have complained here at MMORPG, guess what they aren't going to change their view to yours it seems fair to say. As many of us who like their vision over yours, I'm personally happy there isn't just a Federation game based on ship exploits... how horribly boring!
And that right there is exactly what Cryptic is banking on. They don't care about your feedback, or what anyone else thinks, because THEY'RE ALL YOU'VE GOT.
Funnily enough, SOE thought the same. Then Bioware entered the scene. Just like there is now another Star Wars mmo coming out, there WILL be another BETTER Star Trek mmo in the future.
Hey Z, dunno what your strong objection is to this game ( I don't do much forum trolling these days) but it doesn' t look that bad to me. Dunno, reminds me of the old Sega game "Star Trek The Next Generation" game.
Did you know SOE is making another Star Wars MMO? Yup, The Clone Wars using the Freerealms engine and probably format.
www.massively.com/2009/09/04/rumor-soe-to-launch-casual-browser-mmo-for-clone-wars/
My strong objection was more toward the "buy it to support the IP" crap Aurorus was spouting than the game itself.
And yeah, seen the Clone Wars thing. Might be good for the kiddies, if nothing else.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Han shot FIRST, damn it!!
Han shot last!
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Well seeing as how Lucas Arts mandated the license holder to make said changes (NGE) I'm not sure why they wouldn't. SWG as it was launched was an excellent game.
That attitude gets you more bad. Support the good, trash the bad. Why would you reward bad?
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
I almost choked when I read that too, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
I hope...
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Han shot FIRST, damn it!!
I was more annoyed with the change in Bob Fett's voice and putting Hayden Cristensan in ROTJ.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
While I agree with much that the OP says regarding the Tank/Healer/DPS set up, I'm stuck on the same point as most posters here, supporting the game just because it's got the Trek name.
I bought WAR because I'm a long time Warhammer fan. I didn't like the game. I didn't subscribe.
But I tried it for myself and weighed it against what I personally wanted in a game. And that's all you can really do, Fanboi or not.
If you're the type that wants to wait for a free trial, by all means do. It's a very smart choice considering some of this year's disappointments. If you feel like gambling on the price of a box, go ahead. The only way you'll know if you like it is if you try it yourself.
That being said, for the love of Star Trek I paid to see both "Insurrection" and "Nemesis" in the theatre. This cost close to half of what the STO box will be, and that was only about 4 hours of "entertainment" (I use that term lightly). But I watched them and decided for myself.
The mistake would have been to go back three more times each and then buy the 'Special Collectors Edition Blu Ray Release with 6 Minutes of Unseen Footage' (even though I don't own a Blu Ray player) just because I like Trek.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
I almost choked when I read that too, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
I hope...
It's blindingly obvious he was being sarcastic. Problem is, when some people start fighting they tend to put blinders on and assume the guy they are disagreeing with couldn't agree with them on anything.
I say it was blindingly obvious because, MMO Doubter is clearly conceding that SWG was a bad product. He then expresses surprise as Ktanner's surprise (that Lucas would let people who made a bad product make another bad product) -- that's MMO Doubter's "Really?" btw. That expression of surprise from Doubter only makes sense if Doubter is either being incoherent (which he's not in almost all cases) or takes it as a given that Lucas would do such things. The latter interpretation is clearly the much better fit to the facts. Given that, his last statement on Lucas must be sarcastic.
Now, there are those who'd say I am jumping to conclusions with this. And that I shouldn't have any firm opinions on what Doubter said until he releases more information and explains himself fully. I'm pretty dang confident I am right and have sufficient information though.
Really? Why? Because he always puts quality and integrity ahead of profit?
Wow, another example of where our opinions differ. Lucas IMO has been all about money at the expense of quality and integrity ever since he started changing the original trilogy. Followed by a prequal trilogy that wasn't really good, followed by a bunch of sub-par games etc.etc.
Han shot FIRST, damn it!!
I was more annoyed with the change in Bob Fett's voice and putting Hayden Cristensan in ROTJ.
Those changes convinced me that Lucas needs a visit from the men in white who will provide him with a nice white coat with the sleeves strapped to it and a padded room for him to roll around in.
Of course I was.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
LOL.
Who's troling here?
And even better:
Who's playing yet - unless one is in beta?
To the "more or less official sources":
We (at least the majority of us, those NOT in beta) do not have anything else than the official forums, dev interviews/releses and those unofficial sources like this site and others like it.
"Wait until you play the game":
I will reserve my "ultimate judgement" until i did, but that dos not stop me to take part in an ongoing discussion, nor should it.
Until i can see for myself, i will make my own use of the info available and draw my own conclusions/form my own expectations about the game.
As do you i presume.
So i would REALLY, TRULY appreciate it if you'd keep such advice as "wait until you play the game" or "shut up and play" to yourself.
Or better yet, follow your own advice...
I'm suprised Lucas is allowing SOE to come anywhere near Star Wars based on how horrible SWG was.
Well seeing as how Lucas Arts mandated the license holder to make said changes (NGE) I'm not sure why they wouldn't. SWG as it was launched was an excellent game.
Yup, everything I have ever read on the subject pretty says that Lucas Arts was really unhappy with SWG and felt that the 300k subscribers was to low (and it was bleeding off at the time) and really pinned SOE into "doing something" about it.
From what I understand (and from what I remember) SWG was losing subs, it was complex and not very new player friendly. It was too unlike everything else about the SW universe (to Lucas Arts) who wanted fast paced excitement. If you think about the movies for a second, you will see their point of view. All Star Wars movies are non-stop action with some generic space opera story smired on top.
It's still a huge controversy even today and everyone has their opinion. Mine is they were in a no win situation.