Whats really funny is that last month I stopped paying with a CC and started using ingame isk to pay with Plexes. I guess ccp decided they couldn't milk me for any more cash.
Wut? How does CCP make less money when you pay with plexes? Also: making up random conspiracy theories make you look stupid.
Now I dont understand, how would someone know that whoever you are trading or taking in free items from is a hacker O.o
Does CCP provide all the EO players with a hacker detection tool ? (sarcasm) Because "if not" I can see very little proof that the above player is indeed the hacker of the initial account. All the transaction really indicates is that players are greedy and will ALWAYS accept free items when they are offered.
PS. I would really like to know how this turns out so please OP do update us when you can.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the guy giving away items? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
Now I dont understand, how would someone know that whoever you are trading or taking in free items from is a hacker O.o
Does CCP provide all the EO players with a hacker detection tool ? (sarcasm) Because "if not" I can see very little proof that the above player is indeed the hacker of the initial account. All the transaction really indicates is that players are greedy and will ALWAYS accept free items when they are offered.
PS. I would really like to know how this turns out so please OP do update us when you can.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the buyer? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
DId you just compare an MMORPG Thread to a witch hunt?
Whats really funny is that last month I stopped paying with a CC and started using ingame isk to pay with Plexes. I guess ccp decided they couldn't milk me for any more cash.
Wut? How does CCP make less money when you pay with plexes? Also: making up random conspiracy theories make you look stupid.
Seriously I don't know how people misunderstand the plex feature.
You would be surprised how many people think CCP puts plex into the game like a regular Item.
In reality A plex is only spawned in the game once someone uses a timecode then after CCP GETS PAID that person has the plex as a in game item to sell on the market.
We have some really misinformed people on this forum.
Now I dont understand, how would someone know that whoever you are trading or taking in free items from is a hacker O.o
Does CCP provide all the EO players with a hacker detection tool ? (sarcasm) Because "if not" I can see very little proof that the above player is indeed the hacker of the initial account. All the transaction really indicates is that players are greedy and will ALWAYS accept free items when they are offered.
PS. I would really like to know how this turns out so please OP do update us when you can.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the buyer? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
DId you just compare an MMORPG Thread to a witch hunt?
Sure, why not? People on these forums always read into posts what they want to, instead of whats really being said.
Now I dont understand, how would someone know that whoever you are trading or taking in free items from is a hacker O.o
Does CCP provide all the EO players with a hacker detection tool ? (sarcasm) Because "if not" I can see very little proof that the above player is indeed the hacker of the initial account. All the transaction really indicates is that players are greedy and will ALWAYS accept free items when they are offered.
PS. I would really like to know how this turns out so please OP do update us when you can.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the guy giving away items? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
You are confusing why he was banned. He was banned because during this ordeal CCP became aware he was again playing the game. He was permabanned in the past meaning forever. There for his previous permaban did not run out.
Now I dont understand, how would someone know that whoever you are trading or taking in free items from is a hacker O.o
Does CCP provide all the EO players with a hacker detection tool ? (sarcasm) Because "if not" I can see very little proof that the above player is indeed the hacker of the initial account. All the transaction really indicates is that players are greedy and will ALWAYS accept free items when they are offered.
PS. I would really like to know how this turns out so please OP do update us when you can.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the guy giving away items? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
You are confusing why he was banned. He was banned because during this ordeal CCP became aware he was again playing the game. He was permabanned in the past meaning forever. There for his previous permaban did not run out.
Not entirely. From what he said, they banned him for having recieved hacked items. It wasn't till he pressed the issue with them that they looked further into his past account history to uphold the ban. From what he claims, not saying he's not bullshitting but meh, they even say he may have had nothing to do with the hacking of the item. Which is what I'm arguing. Not the ban because of previous perma ban. Which I wholly agree, he should continue to be banned.
Considering how corrupt CCP is, this doesn't surprise me. Hell they don't even fire employees who give out free BPOs and completely disrupt the balance of the game, but they're more than happy to ban paying customers who are even SUSPECTED of behavior which might undermine their 'precious balance'. Nevermind the fact that ISK farmers are all over the place, and never get banned. Great game. Too bad the company which runs it has no integrity. Get out now before you invest too much money/time into it.
Yes, this is because Iceland and the EU (which Iceland is trying to join) have VERY different labor laws than the United States. They actually, in some ways, favor the employee *shocker*. This made it impossible for them to fire T20 over the incident of which you speak.
Perma ban from this mmo was a gift . now you can concentrate on doing far more constructive things like folling random dog owners around picking up there dogs poop with you bare hands and sticking it your back pocket.
Im amazed at how many people dont read half the posts and come to there own assumptions.
The facts:
1. CCP perma banned me accusing me of being involved in a hacking of a account because I was given a free item.
2. I showed chatlogs proving I was innocent and the hacked player was giving items to a lot of people in Jita.
3. GM said I am probably innocent from the hacking situation BUT the perma ban remains because I was perma banned in past.
(4.) Last time I was perma banned the GM told me I was allowed to return to the game on a new account as long as I obeyed the EULA.
Its like being someone with a criminal history that served there time but when the shit hits the fan, they get punished even when not wrong because of past issues.
Also im wondering if this may of been a blessing in disguise, since I have been banned, my entire house is cleaner, I am making all my dr appointments, and my anxiety has been way down.
Originally posted by rubydragon5 Im amazed at how many people dont read half the posts and come to there own assumptions. The facts:
1. CCP perma banned me accusing me of being involved in a hacking of a account because I was given a free item. 2. I showed chatlogs proving I was innocent and the hacked player was giving items to a lot of people in Jita. 3. GM said I am probably innocent from the hacking situation BUT the perma ban remains because I was perma banned in past. (4.) Last time I was perma banned the GM told me I was allowed to return to the game on a new account as long as I obeyed the EULA. Its like being someone with a criminal history that served there time but when the shit hits the fan, they get punished even when not wrong because of past issues.
Also im wondering if this may of been a blessing in disguise, since I have been banned, my entire house is cleaner, I am making all my dr appointments, and my anxiety has been way down.
This gets a bit unclear to me, what is your situation now? Are you banned and disallowed from the game in the future or are you still waiting for the resolution?
If they allowed you to create a new account and then your ban was re-established only because the attention brought on you was just by coincidence, I guess you could ask for refund if you spent money on new account.
No matter how you look at it, all your trouble you go through is for your past EULA breaking, no one is banning you for recent events.
One statement of GM welcoming you on new account is not justifying what you did and you should bear the consequencies.
All you can complain about is that they didn't ban you from even making new account but that's it.
Im amazed at how many people dont read half the posts and come to there own assumptions. The facts:
1. CCP perma banned me accusing me of being involved in a hacking of a account because I was given a free item. 2. I showed chatlogs proving I was innocent and the hacked player was giving items to a lot of people in Jita. 3. GM said I am probably innocent from the hacking situation BUT the perma ban remains because I was perma banned in past. (4.) Last time I was perma banned the GM told me I was allowed to return to the game on a new account as long as I obeyed the EULA. Its like being someone with a criminal history that served there time but when the shit hits the fan, they get punished even when not wrong because of past issues.
Also im wondering if this may of been a blessing in disguise, since I have been banned, my entire house is cleaner, I am making all my dr appointments, and my anxiety has been way down.
Er, yeah, that's exactly what its like. When a small child goes missing why do you suppose the police go interviewing all the registered sex offenders in the nearby area? And if a workplace employs someone with a criminal background, and suddenly the inventory starts coming up short guess who might find themselves out on the street, especially if they are found wearing sweater from the store that they claim a customer "gave" them for free.
You had a known history with them, and then they caught you in the middle of yet another scam. Innocent or not, you are being punished because of your history.
Bad behavior, like criminal records can't be wiped away, sometimes if has long term consequences that follows you around.
Wait until the day when MMORPG providers start to form a database that they share of known hackers/cheaters/Eula breakers much as the insurance or credit agencies already do. Don't laugh, the day might not be that far off when all your past history will be available and might begin to track you from game to game. I know current laws don't permit this, but laws change and if online transgressions oneday start to be labled "crimes" (which has already happened in some countires) we'll see more of it.
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Originally posted by rubydragon5 I screwed up 2 years ago, I lost a good account, served my time, restarted and followed the rules, then this stupid stuff happens.
The only stupid stuff happening here is you screwing up 2 years ago...
Why do you expect them to keep promise when you don't?
Sorry, but you just get what you deserve and your humbleness would be in place instead of your attitude you show now.
Originally posted by rubydragon5 Quoted for not knowing wtf your talking but, this is what drives me nuts, LEARN TO READ before posting. "Why do you expect them to keep promise when you don't? "
its a GM that told me I could come back, what promises did I break?
The promise you gave when signing the EULA 2 years ago.
Im amazed at how many people dont read half the posts and come to there own assumptions. The facts:
1. CCP perma banned me accusing me of being involved in a hacking of a account because I was given a free item. 2. I showed chatlogs proving I was innocent and the hacked player was giving items to a lot of people in Jita. 3. GM said I am probably innocent from the hacking situation BUT the perma ban remains because I was perma banned in past. (4.) Last time I was perma banned the GM told me I was allowed to return to the game on a new account as long as I obeyed the EULA. Its like being someone with a criminal history that served there time but when the shit hits the fan, they get punished even when not wrong because of past issues.
Also im wondering if this may of been a blessing in disguise, since I have been banned, my entire house is cleaner, I am making all my dr appointments, and my anxiety has been way down.
Sorry man, but you don’t have much to stand on here.
When you chose (I emphasize this word) to break the rules 2 years ago, you were caught and punished i.e. perma-banned. I’m guessing this previous offence was sufficiently bad, although, you have yet to elaborate on it.
When CCP’s GM offered you the option to restart another account he was being generous. If I were you, I would have kept my nose clean of ANY and ALL suspicious activity in-game, regardless of what any player tried to give/sell/trade me. The onus was on you to keep out of trouble, and doubly so because of your past transgression. You again chose (more emphasis) to engage in accepting a free item, of considerable worth, from another player. No one forced you, and despite all of your claims, considering your circumstance, you should have been extra vigilant in not engaging in any activity that had even the slightest possibility of being illegal. You didn’t do this and, regardless of whether you intended to break the rules or not, were caught in another suspicious act and thus banned once again.
The offer by CCP’s GM was not a contract, it was a favour. Through your own negligence you spat in the face of that favour and so it was revoked.
Your circumstance may be unfortunate (particularly if you were unaware that the item you accepted was stolen), but that does not negate the fact that throughout every step of the process you made the conscious decision to be involved in a potentially illicit exchange. In that regard, you have no one to blame for being banned but yourself.
This guy is just crying cause he got caught, plain and simple. Thats how i see it.
Ah, a classic case of people with a reading disorder. lol.
Ruby, I am on your side here. While you could have not accepted the fishy looking item, and avoided the whole situation to begin with, you are only human, and it is human nature to be greedy and accept free things. It was just you being human. I hope you get your account back, because if you haven't done anything illegal, then you shouldn't be harmed because of it.
BTW, what is the EULA? Yes, I am still a noob, but I am sure it is another set of rules that I will never read. I never break rules anyway, so I am not THAT worried.
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Wut? How does CCP make less money when you pay with plexes? Also: making up random conspiracy theories make you look stupid.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the guy giving away items? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the buyer? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
DId you just compare an MMORPG Thread to a witch hunt?
Wut? How does CCP make less money when you pay with plexes? Also: making up random conspiracy theories make you look stupid.
Seriously I don't know how people misunderstand the plex feature.
You would be surprised how many people think CCP puts plex into the game like a regular Item.
In reality A plex is only spawned in the game once someone uses a timecode then after CCP GETS PAID that person has the plex as a in game item to sell on the market.
We have some really misinformed people on this forum.
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You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the buyer? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
DId you just compare an MMORPG Thread to a witch hunt?
Sure, why not? People on these forums always read into posts what they want to, instead of whats really being said.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the guy giving away items? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
You are confusing why he was banned. He was banned because during this ordeal CCP became aware he was again playing the game. He was permabanned in the past meaning forever. There for his previous permaban did not run out.
You know, if someone gave you a bag of drugs to hold and the police caught you with it, you would be getting in trouble. There isn't no such thing as a free lunch and getting something for nothing or next to nothing should be the first red flag. It's like people who buy items for pennies on the dollar who are "surprised" when they find out it's stolen. The police will bust you for possessing stolem goods in that case as well.
Protect yourself by not being a patsy. Wise up.
Did you just compare an in game virtual item to drugs? People often give things away in games for little or no return. Maybe that plan on leaving said game or whatever.
Comparing virtual item to drugs is fully valid here. Illicit drugs in real life = obtaining items in game, unknowingly, from someone who obtained the item while breaking the games rules? Sure, sounds valid as hell. In EvE, which is a game QFTW, a ship is worth a lot, more than some drug is worth in RL. Wow is all I can say.... The valid comparison is comparing the ship in EvE to an apartment in the real world. Imagine you suddenly received a key to an apartment/house in quality residential district from some random guy and you decide to move in and occupy the house. You think that makes sense? As a defense in court? This to me shows you have little sense of the difference between a video game and real life. Nuff said on that.
Maybe yes maybe the gift is from a quitter, but unfortunately facts from CCP indicated that it is not from a qutting member, but from stolen sources. Did the OP have this information from CCP before hand? Or from the guy giving away items? So stop your maybe, it is not relevant here. You do not know anything about the OP, maybe he is a hacker. Maybe you are a hacker trying to discredit CCP. Maybe you are a cat and I am a dog. Maybe won't do no nothing. Facts alone does, and fact = handling stolen goods here. Yes he handled stolen items but was he aware of it? Not to discredit CCP, because I've been an avid customer for 5 years, but some people do make mistakes when doing investigations. Did CCP ever claim in their investigation that he knew the items were obtained from someone who he knew broke the games mechanics to get the items? If so, and proven, then right on, he fucked up. If not, you're just jumping in on the witch hunt bandwagon.
You are confusing why he was banned. He was banned because during this ordeal CCP became aware he was again playing the game. He was permabanned in the past meaning forever. There for his previous permaban did not run out.
Not entirely. From what he said, they banned him for having recieved hacked items. It wasn't till he pressed the issue with them that they looked further into his past account history to uphold the ban. From what he claims, not saying he's not bullshitting but meh, they even say he may have had nothing to do with the hacking of the item. Which is what I'm arguing. Not the ban because of previous perma ban. Which I wholly agree, he should continue to be banned.
wait so getting banned in a video game ruined your day?
what is this world coming to!
Of course it does. Considering how much time you put into a mmo, having it taken away from you must really suck. Or were you just troll-baiting?
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OP i dont know if was true or not your last post but man that was self pwned
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wait so getting banned in a video game ruined your day?
what is this world coming to!
Of course it does. Considering how much time you put into a mmo, having it taken away from you must really suck. Or were you just troll-baiting?
sad just sad
Yes, this is because Iceland and the EU (which Iceland is trying to join) have VERY different labor laws than the United States. They actually, in some ways, favor the employee *shocker*. This made it impossible for them to fire T20 over the incident of which you speak.
He later left the company anyway.
Perma ban from this mmo was a gift . now you can concentrate on doing far more constructive things like folling random dog owners around picking up there dogs poop with you bare hands and sticking it your back pocket.
You loss OP because Dominion is da bomb and CCP is smokin. Did I mention I was posting from jita with the new browser : )
Im amazed at how many people dont read half the posts and come to there own assumptions.
The facts:
1. CCP perma banned me accusing me of being involved in a hacking of a account because I was given a free item.
2. I showed chatlogs proving I was innocent and the hacked player was giving items to a lot of people in Jita.
3. GM said I am probably innocent from the hacking situation BUT the perma ban remains because I was perma banned in past.
(4.) Last time I was perma banned the GM told me I was allowed to return to the game on a new account as long as I obeyed the EULA.
Its like being someone with a criminal history that served there time but when the shit hits the fan, they get punished even when not wrong because of past issues.
Also im wondering if this may of been a blessing in disguise, since I have been banned, my entire house is cleaner, I am making all my dr appointments, and my anxiety has been way down.
This gets a bit unclear to me, what is your situation now? Are you banned and disallowed from the game in the future or are you still waiting for the resolution?
If they allowed you to create a new account and then your ban was re-established only because the attention brought on you was just by coincidence, I guess you could ask for refund if you spent money on new account.
No matter how you look at it, all your trouble you go through is for your past EULA breaking, no one is banning you for recent events.
One statement of GM welcoming you on new account is not justifying what you did and you should bear the consequencies.
All you can complain about is that they didn't ban you from even making new account but that's it.
I had the petition escalated to a senior GM and am waiting right now.
As for being rebanned for a old ban, I would of accepted it IF the last GM didn't tell me im free to remake a account.
I screwed up 2 years ago, I lost a good account, served my time, restarted and followed the rules, then this stupid stuff happens.
This guy is just crying cause he got caught, plain and simple. Thats how i see it.
MAGA
Er, yeah, that's exactly what its like. When a small child goes missing why do you suppose the police go interviewing all the registered sex offenders in the nearby area? And if a workplace employs someone with a criminal background, and suddenly the inventory starts coming up short guess who might find themselves out on the street, especially if they are found wearing sweater from the store that they claim a customer "gave" them for free.
You had a known history with them, and then they caught you in the middle of yet another scam. Innocent or not, you are being punished because of your history.
Bad behavior, like criminal records can't be wiped away, sometimes if has long term consequences that follows you around.
Wait until the day when MMORPG providers start to form a database that they share of known hackers/cheaters/Eula breakers much as the insurance or credit agencies already do. Don't laugh, the day might not be that far off when all your past history will be available and might begin to track you from game to game. I know current laws don't permit this, but laws change and if online transgressions oneday start to be labled "crimes" (which has already happened in some countires) we'll see more of it.
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The only stupid stuff happening here is you screwing up 2 years ago...
Why do you expect them to keep promise when you don't?
Sorry, but you just get what you deserve and your humbleness would be in place instead of your attitude you show now.
The only stupid stuff happening here is you screwing up 2 years ago...
Why do you expect them to keep promise when you don't?
Sorry, but you just get what you deserve and your humbleness would be in place instead of your attitude you show now.
Quoted for not knowing wtf your talking but, this is what drives me nuts,
LEARN TO READ before posting.
"Why do you expect them to keep promise when you don't? "
its a GM that told me I could come back, what promises did I break?
The promise you gave when signing the EULA 2 years ago.
Sorry man, but you don’t have much to stand on here.
When you chose (I emphasize this word) to break the rules 2 years ago, you were caught and punished i.e. perma-banned. I’m guessing this previous offence was sufficiently bad, although, you have yet to elaborate on it.
When CCP’s GM offered you the option to restart another account he was being generous. If I were you, I would have kept my nose clean of ANY and ALL suspicious activity in-game, regardless of what any player tried to give/sell/trade me. The onus was on you to keep out of trouble, and doubly so because of your past transgression. You again chose (more emphasis) to engage in accepting a free item, of considerable worth, from another player. No one forced you, and despite all of your claims, considering your circumstance, you should have been extra vigilant in not engaging in any activity that had even the slightest possibility of being illegal. You didn’t do this and, regardless of whether you intended to break the rules or not, were caught in another suspicious act and thus banned once again.
The offer by CCP’s GM was not a contract, it was a favour. Through your own negligence you spat in the face of that favour and so it was revoked.
Your circumstance may be unfortunate (particularly if you were unaware that the item you accepted was stolen), but that does not negate the fact that throughout every step of the process you made the conscious decision to be involved in a potentially illicit exchange. In that regard, you have no one to blame for being banned but yourself.
Sorry.
Ah, a classic case of people with a reading disorder. lol.
Ruby, I am on your side here. While you could have not accepted the fishy looking item, and avoided the whole situation to begin with, you are only human, and it is human nature to be greedy and accept free things. It was just you being human. I hope you get your account back, because if you haven't done anything illegal, then you shouldn't be harmed because of it.
BTW, what is the EULA? Yes, I am still a noob, but I am sure it is another set of rules that I will never read. I never break rules anyway, so I am not THAT worried.
On Nov 30th the GM escalated the petition to a senior GM after I requested it.
Now Dec 10th and no response yet...
TANSTAAFL
It's the universal truth in EvE. Sorry you found out the hard way.