You forgot Darkfall =D, i once met a trader who played darkfall for 3 months and has only killed 5 goblins in that time, goblins are lesser beings thus it doesn't count as murder !
in darkfall there are quiet some crafters/traders. theyr required for bigger guilds to run smoothly too
It's a good point. Every mmorpg I've ever played in 10 years of playing has required me to kill monsters, animals, or people in order to advance. In some cases, I was even an evil character and killing "innocent" people. I didn't really consider that I was RPing a mass murderer, but I guess it's a valid point. I'm sure there are mmorpgs out there that don't have killing as a major aspect of the game but none that I can think of.
I think in CoX and maybe even Champion's Online you don't "kill" anything, you merely incapacitate/knock out enemies. Yes, there's still violence inherent in the system, but I think these two games have found a clever workaround to not make us all feel like murderers.
And btw, to the Einstein invoking the Holocaust, way to live up to Godwin's Law.
Its just a way to kick the bucket and expose the ridiculousness of what games came to be...
Role Playing Games.... most of them you are a mass murderer. Its incredible hard to find one game where progression isnt tied to mass murdering.
Oh, but they are... uh... monsters.... they are... indians... they are uh... orcs... they are uh.... infidels... they are... animals... they are from another race... whatever excuse or lack there off is present doesnt change the fact.
It doesnt matter what it is, as long as they give xp and loot or help me complete quests it seems.
Its just a way to kick the bucket and expose the ridiculousness of what games came to be...
Role Playing Games.... most of them you are a mass murderer. Its incredible hard to find one game where progression isnt tied to mass murdering.
Oh, but they are... uh... monsters.... they are... indians... they are uh... orcs... they are uh.... infidels... they are... animals... they are from another race... whatever excuse or lack there off is present doesnt change the fact. It doesnt matter what it is, as long as they give xp and loot or help me complete quests it seems.
Yes, yes. I'm sure the Orcs and monsters will all hail you as a visionary at the next Civil Liberties meeting.
even if killing is involved in most of these MMOs, I don't think that anyone will qualify your character as a mass murderer. If anything, it would be a hunter, not sometimes this is done for food or clothing, or saving a group of people or lesser animals to keep a balanced ecosystem. And then when it comes to killing sentient beings, it's about killing those that threaten the lives of your people/children/family, or your faction/country is commisioning you to lessen the enemy forces.
That's not murder that's duty. Do you consider Hunters, farmers, or military men murderers?
Have fun on the internet
MMOs played: Horizons, Auto Assault, Ryzom, EVE, WAR, WoW, EQ2, LotRO, GW, DAoC, Aion, Requiem, Atlantica, DDO, Allods, Earth Eternal, Fallen Earth, Rift Willing to try anything new
Its just a way to kick the bucket and expose the ridiculousness of what games came to be...
Role Playing Games.... most of them you are a mass murderer. Its incredible hard to find one game where progression isnt tied to mass murdering.
Oh, but they are... uh... monsters.... they are... indians... they are uh... orcs... they are uh.... infidels... they are... animals... they are from another race... whatever excuse or lack there off is present doesnt change the fact. It doesnt matter what it is, as long as they give xp and loot or help me complete quests it seems.
I lol'd at "infidels"
reminded my of "The Three Amigos"
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
why complain about this matter, if you don´t like it don´t play the game... in most game settings its usual you kill that many living things, it has nothing to do with the meaning of `mass muderer` .
when you think of the word mass murderer you think of it as something from our time... its like comparing slavery in ancient rome to slavery today... in ancient rome it was something normal, nowadays its `unhuman`, if people think that slavery was `unhuman´ in ancient rome, then they are unable to think like the principle of `historical thinking´... its about different settings.
why complain about this matter, if you don´t like it don´t play the game... in most game settings its usual you kill that many living things, it has nothing to do with the meaning of `mass muderer` .
when you think of the word mass murderer you think of it as something from our time... its like comparing slavery in ancient rome to slavery today... in ancient rome it was something normal, nowadays its `unhuman`, if people think that slavery was `unhuman´ in ancient rome, then they are unable to think like the principle of `historical thinking´... its about different settings.
Slavery today? Care to opine?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
why complain about this matter, if you don´t like it don´t play the game... in most game settings its usual you kill that many living things, it has nothing to do with the meaning of `mass muderer` .
when you think of the word mass murderer you think of it as something from our time... its like comparing slavery in ancient rome to slavery today... in ancient rome it was something normal, nowadays its `unhuman`, if people think that slavery was `unhuman´ in ancient rome, then they are unable to think like the principle of `historical thinking´... its about different settings.
Slavery today? Care to opine?
so you think nowadays there are ZERO ( yes, 0 ) people doing FORCED LABOR for ZERO (also 0 ! ) income? try get some education...
why complain about this matter, if you don´t like it don´t play the game... in most game settings its usual you kill that many living things, it has nothing to do with the meaning of `mass muderer` .
when you think of the word mass murderer you think of it as something from our time... its like comparing slavery in ancient rome to slavery today... in ancient rome it was something normal, nowadays its `unhuman`, if people think that slavery was `unhuman´ in ancient rome, then they are unable to think like the principle of `historical thinking´... its about different settings.
Slavery today? Care to opine?
so you think nowadays there are ZERO ( yes, 0 ) people doing FORCED LABOR for ZERO (also 0 ! ) income? try get some education...
lol...wow
My question was on your education of today's world. Since you cannot opine....I figure your education in minimal at best....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
erm...welp i thought id just respond to let you know im still in this thread
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
erm...welp i thought id just respond to let you know im still in this thread
lol....at least I know you have a sense of humor.
Did you hear the one about the chicken and the three toed goat?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
erm...welp i thought id just respond to let you know im still in this thread
lol....at least I know you have a sense of humor.
Did you hear the one about the chicken and the three toed goat?
dont goats have hoofs like deers or horses...any way im going to go play aion
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You are not a normal person.
yeah gonna have to agree with you on that one.
You forgot Darkfall =D, i once met a trader who played darkfall for 3 months and has only killed 5 goblins in that time, goblins are lesser beings thus it doesn't count as murder !
in darkfall there are quiet some crafters/traders. theyr required for bigger guilds to run smoothly too
It's a good point. Every mmorpg I've ever played in 10 years of playing has required me to kill monsters, animals, or people in order to advance. In some cases, I was even an evil character and killing "innocent" people. I didn't really consider that I was RPing a mass murderer, but I guess it's a valid point. I'm sure there are mmorpgs out there that don't have killing as a major aspect of the game but none that I can think of.
I think in CoX and maybe even Champion's Online you don't "kill" anything, you merely incapacitate/knock out enemies. Yes, there's still violence inherent in the system, but I think these two games have found a clever workaround to not make us all feel like murderers.
And btw, to the Einstein invoking the Holocaust, way to live up to Godwin's Law.
Take up knitting.
no...it's not a good point.
What are you playing these games for if you think it portrays you as a "murderer"? (wrongfully so IMO)
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Its just a way to kick the bucket and expose the ridiculousness of what games came to be...
Role Playing Games.... most of them you are a mass murderer. Its incredible hard to find one game where progression isnt tied to mass murdering.
Oh, but they are... uh... monsters.... they are... indians... they are uh... orcs... they are uh.... infidels... they are... animals... they are from another race... whatever excuse or lack there off is present doesnt change the fact.
It doesnt matter what it is, as long as they give xp and loot or help me complete quests it seems.
Yes, yes. I'm sure the Orcs and monsters will all hail you as a visionary at the next Civil Liberties meeting.
even if killing is involved in most of these MMOs, I don't think that anyone will qualify your character as a mass murderer. If anything, it would be a hunter, not sometimes this is done for food or clothing, or saving a group of people or lesser animals to keep a balanced ecosystem. And then when it comes to killing sentient beings, it's about killing those that threaten the lives of your people/children/family, or your faction/country is commisioning you to lessen the enemy forces.
That's not murder that's duty. Do you consider Hunters, farmers, or military men murderers?
Have fun on the internet
MMOs played: Horizons, Auto Assault, Ryzom, EVE, WAR, WoW, EQ2, LotRO, GW, DAoC, Aion, Requiem, Atlantica, DDO, Allods, Earth Eternal, Fallen Earth, Rift
Willing to try anything new
I lol'd at "infidels"
reminded my of "The Three Amigos"
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
why complain about this matter, if you don´t like it don´t play the game... in most game settings its usual you kill that many living things, it has nothing to do with the meaning of `mass muderer` .
when you think of the word mass murderer you think of it as something from our time... its like comparing slavery in ancient rome to slavery today... in ancient rome it was something normal, nowadays its `unhuman`, if people think that slavery was `unhuman´ in ancient rome, then they are unable to think like the principle of `historical thinking´... its about different settings.
Slavery today? Care to opine?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Slavery today? Care to opine?
so you think nowadays there are ZERO ( yes, 0 ) people doing FORCED LABOR for ZERO (also 0 ! ) income? try get some education...
Slavery today? Care to opine?
so you think nowadays there are ZERO ( yes, 0 ) people doing FORCED LABOR for ZERO (also 0 ! ) income? try get some education...
lol...wow
My question was on your education of today's world. Since you cannot opine....I figure your education in minimal at best....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Excuse me, i thought you ment it in a way that there isn't any slavery today...
I might have....
What I really want is for you to give case points instead of being a bleeding heart voice box. Which apparently you are....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I might have....
What I really want is for you to give case points instead of being a bleeding heart voice box. Which apparently you are....
I know where discussions with immature people go to, so i´ll stop here. word.
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
erm...welp i thought id just respond to let you know im still in this thread
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
erm...welp i thought id just respond to let you know im still in this thread
lol....at least I know you have a sense of humor.
Did you hear the one about the chicken and the three toed goat?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I myself, think about this sometimes when slaughtering hundreds of inocent criters. I think the op has brought up a good topic. My first real mmo was SWG and I enjoyed being a doctor and bufing people hours on end, and there was no fighting involved. But theres still that sense that your helping some one else slaughter/massmurder criters. There has to be some medium to fullfill that dosnt require the mass genocide of some mob in a game, but yet still keep the exitement level up.
/rolls eyes
Seriously. Think about it. You are venturing into say.....boxing. Then you see that you don't like the brutality. FINE!! DON'T WATCH!!!
aww...dont roll your eyes at me...lol
but how does boxing have to do with mmorpgs....i understand your point..but jeez...were talking mmorgs here..not some ones personal self anguish of weather not said person can take watching boxing or not. Besides watching something and interacting online are two different things. At least in the end if some one decides that boxing isnt the thing for that person because its to brutal, then that person can feel ok because that person didnt participate in what said persons didnt like about it, but when a person is interacting with something you dont have that pleasure of knowing that you didnt partisipate in the pilaging/distruction/mass murder of innocent creatures.
Boxing is SO similar to MMOs it's not funny.
If you cannot see that, then this conversation is moot.
Watching, participating.....wtf is the difference to you? Brutality is brutality.
erm...welp i thought id just respond to let you know im still in this thread
lol....at least I know you have a sense of humor.
Did you hear the one about the chicken and the three toed goat?
dont goats have hoofs like deers or horses...any way im going to go play aion
Can't say I've ever roleplayed a Mass Murderer before in an MMO, and I've played quite a few.
Of course, if you consider all killing "Murder", even in self-defense, then I can't help you there.
Sounds like a loaded question more than anything else.