I don't hate WoW. I hate WoW players. Most of them are very ignorant of the rest of this genre. I also see trolling most often among WoW players. A culture that I dislike and which I consider childish.
Well consider this I have in my day played 21 diffrent MMO's there are bad players in all of them. *Fact* you play a game with less then a million people and lets say 1 out of 6 are fail players who you dispise, that means for every bad player 5 are good and nice less then a million population makes the game seem better less then 30% of it is bad players. Now wow has 5 million plus people and now your looking at 3 out of 6 players are junk you have more bad players in a game to make it look bad.
Trust me I know public chat on a saturday night is like watching disney movies in Surrond sound for 18 hours straight...
Dont forget WAR implemented gaining XP from PVP. They also had a feature that allowed you to join a battleground from anywhere in the world... WoW soon added those features. I'd play WAR but WOW has pretty much all of WARS features and more! Plus WoW's movment, combat and general game play is more fluent. WARs classes all felt the same.
Oh yeah I forgot those.
And heres the problem with new generation of these casual game fanboys.... these features aren't new. WAR had a few new features, but MOST of the features were directly pulled from Dark Age of Camelot, a much deeper and better game than WoW or WAR could hope to be. WoW has ENVER invented ANYTHING.
Excuse me? What qualifies someone to be a "new generation casual game fanboy"? I cant say I know what every feature a mmo has or had. I was to busy enjoying Star Wars Galaxies back in the beginning to care about any other mmo. I only took notice of other mmo's when SOE/LA decided to destroy the game i love. I now have a shelf full of mmo game boxes gathering dust.
Back when I did jedi the "hard way" I was a different person/gamer and had different priorties. I was single, in my early 20's and didnt have many worries or cares. Now I'm touching 30 with 2 kids, 1 on the way and a Mrs that loves the nices things in life. I would never have the time to enjoy a game like pre-cu again. So I turn to the more causal games for my quick mmo fix. Do I really enjoy the quick and easy mmo's. Not as much as I'd enjoy a game like pre-cu. Problem is I just dont have the time anymore. Which sucks.
According to you tho my opinion doesnt count for much because you see me as a "New generation causal gamer". Thing is you dont even know me.
SWG didn't even take much time : Could max out your skills in a couple of days and it had no content so all you'd be doing is standing around chatting.
If you can't see that the gameplay premise of WOW Arenas and Counterstrike is exactly the same (even down to "you're dead, wait for next round") then I'm not real sure there's discussion to be had here. Getting hung up on "Ohmigawd, but it's a FPS!" shows you're not in the right mindset to discuss similarities between games.
Counterstrike isn't even the first competitive arena by a longshot (gladiator pits have been rather popular throughout history, in all their various forms.)
I'd like to highlight the above and comment on it.
I was part of the UK Counter Strike Scene many years ago. I played competitivly at LANS and online and I'd go as far to say that anyone that played the game competitivly knew who I and my clan were. I played MMOS back then aswell. At that time I got ridiculed by my friends in real life for gaming. I got even more riducled by my Counter Strike buddies for playing MMO's. Even to them I was considered a no lifer geek. Alot of the CS scene also played Warcraft 3.
When WoW was released pretty much 90% of the UK CS scene bought it and got hooked. The scene got a little stale for a while due to WoW. Even my CS friends from abroad got hooked. WoW attracted so many CS gamers it was unreal. That would also explain alot of why the WoW community initally and even now is very elitest and attracts the pr0 g4mers! (Guess I wernt such a geek anymore )
Now WoW had introduced MMO to the masses. When I told all my friends about SWG Pre-CU they wanted to play it. Sad thing is SOE/LA had long introduced the CUNGE. Who was gonna play a bad copy of WoW :P But thats another topic all together.
Dont forget WAR implemented gaining XP from PVP. They also had a feature that allowed you to join a battleground from anywhere in the world... WoW soon added those features. I'd play WAR but WOW has pretty much all of WARS features and more! Plus WoW's movment, combat and general game play is more fluent. WARs classes all felt the same.
Oh yeah I forgot those.
And heres the problem with new generation of these casual game fanboys.... these features aren't new. WAR had a few new features, but MOST of the features were directly pulled from Dark Age of Camelot, a much deeper and better game than WoW or WAR could hope to be. WoW has ENVER invented ANYTHING.
Excuse me? What qualifies someone to be a "new generation casual game fanboy"? I cant say I know what every feature a mmo has or had. I was to busy enjoying Star Wars Galaxies back in the beginning to care about any other mmo. I only took notice of other mmo's when SOE/LA decided to destroy the game i love. I now have a shelf full of mmo game boxes gathering dust.
Back when I did jedi the "hard way" I was a different person/gamer and had different priorties. I was single, in my early 20's and didnt have many worries or cares. Now I'm touching 30 with 2 kids, 1 on the way and a Mrs that loves the nices things in life. I would never have the time to enjoy a game like pre-cu again. So I turn to the more causal games for my quick mmo fix. Do I really enjoy the quick and easy mmo's. Not as much as I'd enjoy a game like pre-cu. Problem is I just dont have the time anymore. Which sucks.
According to you tho my opinion doesnt count for much because you see me as a "New generation causal gamer". Thing is you dont even know me.
SWG didn't even take much time : Could max out your skills in a couple of days and it had no content so all you'd be doing is standing around chatting.
I found it quite difficult to max my skills initally with no comp armour, no imba buffs and badly crafted/ looted weapons.
If you can't see that the gameplay premise of WOW Arenas and Counterstrike is exactly the same (even down to "you're dead, wait for next round") then I'm not real sure there's discussion to be had here. Getting hung up on "Ohmigawd, but it's a FPS!" shows you're not in the right mindset to discuss similarities between games.
Counterstrike isn't even the first competitive arena by a longshot (gladiator pits have been rather popular throughout history, in all their various forms.)
I'd like to highlight the above and comment on it.
I was part of the UK Counter Strike Scene many years ago. I played competitivly at LANS and online and I'd go as far to say that anyone that played the game competitivly knew who I and my clan were. I played MMOS back then aswell. At that time I got ridiculed by my friends in real life for gaming. I got even more riducled by my Counter Strike buddies for playing MMO's. Even to them I was considered a no lifer geek. Alot of the CS scene also played Warcraft 3.
When WoW was released pretty much 90% of the UK CS scene bought it and got hooked. The scene got a little stale for a while due to WoW. Even my CS friends from abroad got hooked. WoW attracted so many CS gamers it was unreal. That would also explain alot of why the WoW community initally and even now is very elitest and attracts the pr0 g4mers! (Guess I wernt such a geek anymore )
Now WoW had introduced MMO to the masses. When I told all my friends about SWG Pre-CU they wanted to play it. Sad thing is SOE/LA had long introduced the CUNGE. Who was gonna play a bad copy of WoW :P But thats another topic all together.
Still I was pointout that GW took the Arena sytle focus to the ORPG scene when they maid GW's main PvP gameplay small scaled.
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Well consider this I have in my day played 21 diffrent MMO's there are bad players in all of them. *Fact* you play a game with less then a million people and lets say 1 out of 6 are fail players who you dispise, that means for every bad player 5 are good and nice less then a million population makes the game seem better less then 30% of it is bad players. Now wow has 5 million plus people and now your looking at 3 out of 6 players are junk you have more bad players in a game to make it look bad.
Trust me I know public chat on a saturday night is like watching disney movies in Surrond sound for 18 hours straight...
Oh yeah I forgot those.
And heres the problem with new generation of these casual game fanboys.... these features aren't new. WAR had a few new features, but MOST of the features were directly pulled from Dark Age of Camelot, a much deeper and better game than WoW or WAR could hope to be. WoW has ENVER invented ANYTHING.
Excuse me? What qualifies someone to be a "new generation casual game fanboy"? I cant say I know what every feature a mmo has or had. I was to busy enjoying Star Wars Galaxies back in the beginning to care about any other mmo. I only took notice of other mmo's when SOE/LA decided to destroy the game i love. I now have a shelf full of mmo game boxes gathering dust.
Back when I did jedi the "hard way" I was a different person/gamer and had different priorties. I was single, in my early 20's and didnt have many worries or cares. Now I'm touching 30 with 2 kids, 1 on the way and a Mrs that loves the nices things in life. I would never have the time to enjoy a game like pre-cu again. So I turn to the more causal games for my quick mmo fix. Do I really enjoy the quick and easy mmo's. Not as much as I'd enjoy a game like pre-cu. Problem is I just dont have the time anymore. Which sucks.
According to you tho my opinion doesnt count for much because you see me as a "New generation causal gamer". Thing is you dont even know me.
SWG didn't even take much time : Could max out your skills in a couple of days and it had no content so all you'd be doing is standing around chatting.
I'd like to highlight the above and comment on it.
I was part of the UK Counter Strike Scene many years ago. I played competitivly at LANS and online and I'd go as far to say that anyone that played the game competitivly knew who I and my clan were. I played MMOS back then aswell. At that time I got ridiculed by my friends in real life for gaming. I got even more riducled by my Counter Strike buddies for playing MMO's. Even to them I was considered a no lifer geek. Alot of the CS scene also played Warcraft 3.
When WoW was released pretty much 90% of the UK CS scene bought it and got hooked. The scene got a little stale for a while due to WoW. Even my CS friends from abroad got hooked. WoW attracted so many CS gamers it was unreal. That would also explain alot of why the WoW community initally and even now is very elitest and attracts the pr0 g4mers! (Guess I wernt such a geek anymore )
Now WoW had introduced MMO to the masses. When I told all my friends about SWG Pre-CU they wanted to play it. Sad thing is SOE/LA had long introduced the CUNGE. Who was gonna play a bad copy of WoW :P But thats another topic all together.
Oh yeah I forgot those.
And heres the problem with new generation of these casual game fanboys.... these features aren't new. WAR had a few new features, but MOST of the features were directly pulled from Dark Age of Camelot, a much deeper and better game than WoW or WAR could hope to be. WoW has ENVER invented ANYTHING.
Excuse me? What qualifies someone to be a "new generation casual game fanboy"? I cant say I know what every feature a mmo has or had. I was to busy enjoying Star Wars Galaxies back in the beginning to care about any other mmo. I only took notice of other mmo's when SOE/LA decided to destroy the game i love. I now have a shelf full of mmo game boxes gathering dust.
Back when I did jedi the "hard way" I was a different person/gamer and had different priorties. I was single, in my early 20's and didnt have many worries or cares. Now I'm touching 30 with 2 kids, 1 on the way and a Mrs that loves the nices things in life. I would never have the time to enjoy a game like pre-cu again. So I turn to the more causal games for my quick mmo fix. Do I really enjoy the quick and easy mmo's. Not as much as I'd enjoy a game like pre-cu. Problem is I just dont have the time anymore. Which sucks.
According to you tho my opinion doesnt count for much because you see me as a "New generation causal gamer". Thing is you dont even know me.
SWG didn't even take much time : Could max out your skills in a couple of days and it had no content so all you'd be doing is standing around chatting.
I found it quite difficult to max my skills initally with no comp armour, no imba buffs and badly crafted/ looted weapons.
I'd like to highlight the above and comment on it.
I was part of the UK Counter Strike Scene many years ago. I played competitivly at LANS and online and I'd go as far to say that anyone that played the game competitivly knew who I and my clan were. I played MMOS back then aswell. At that time I got ridiculed by my friends in real life for gaming. I got even more riducled by my Counter Strike buddies for playing MMO's. Even to them I was considered a no lifer geek. Alot of the CS scene also played Warcraft 3.
When WoW was released pretty much 90% of the UK CS scene bought it and got hooked. The scene got a little stale for a while due to WoW. Even my CS friends from abroad got hooked. WoW attracted so many CS gamers it was unreal. That would also explain alot of why the WoW community initally and even now is very elitest and attracts the pr0 g4mers! (Guess I wernt such a geek anymore )
Now WoW had introduced MMO to the masses. When I told all my friends about SWG Pre-CU they wanted to play it. Sad thing is SOE/LA had long introduced the CUNGE. Who was gonna play a bad copy of WoW :P But thats another topic all together.
Still I was pointout that GW took the Arena sytle focus to the ORPG scene when they maid GW's main PvP gameplay small scaled.