I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
Straight from cryptic's marketing department.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't see how this is a serious subject to be honest. why all the hate for this game anyways? are these all Aion players who are bitter?
I don't think it is likely it will ever be F2P. As for the hate..well, a 2 year dev cycle? You'd think this would be an easy game to hate, because it is representing a lot of the standard things you see in the crappy MMOs that get put out these days. It is rushed, things got scaled back, gameplay will be poorly balanced in both PvP and PvE, the game itself will be short on content and shallow (and random content has been done before, and done by Cryptic before, and they haven't done that good of a job). The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
About your statement on a 2 year Dev cycle. It was only 2 years because unlike most MMO houses they didn't have to build the engine from scratch, and the import and export dev tools. Dev tool and engine development alone can take upwards of 3 years. Content is all they had to develop, which wasn't hard given that Star Trek has a lot of references to pull from.
I don't see how this is a serious subject to be honest. why all the hate for this game anyways? are these all Aion players who are bitter?
The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
Exactly. It is what it is. It will be what it is. If one doesnt like what they see its not mandatory that they buy it. But for some its very important to whine and cry and repeatably voice their angst over something a trivial as a video game. Record debt, shrinking dollar, highest unemployment in decades and oh my God STO isnt what I wanted.
Exactly. It is what it is. It will be what it is. If one doesnt like what they see its not mandatory that they buy it. But for some its very important to whine and cry and repeatably voice their angst over something a trivial as a video game. Record debt, shrinking dollar, highest unemployment in decades and oh my God STO isnt what I wanted.
Plenty of angst in your post, BTW.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Exactly. It is what it is. It will be what it is. If one doesnt like what they see its not mandatory that they buy it. But for some its very important to whine and cry and repeatably voice their angst over something a trivial as a video game. Record debt, shrinking dollar, highest unemployment in decades and oh my God STO isnt what I wanted.
Plenty of angst in your post, BTW.
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
I have yet to see you leave a positive post about any game. You are a chronic whiner. No, your not my kids, they do not whine.
[Poll] When will STO become "Free To Play" ? It's lost most of it's momentum before launch. People have been canceling Pre-Orders. The game appears to be full of instancing and small 10vs10 PvP battles.
WTF are you talking about? Oh because you and a few other doom and gloom internet nerds aren't overly impressed means the game is doing bad or something?
Show me something other than your feeling about the game that shows it is in trouble. I mean honestly no one on these boards are as influential as you seem to all think so why is it so many project there personal feelings onto thousands of other people?
News flash there are plenty of games that don't even work well that are not F2P so why would this game go that route? Because you don't like it's design? Again please stop trying to speak for droves of people when you really only mean yourself (and that goes for the other twenty or so mmorpg doom and gloomers) you know guys like mmo doubter and others who just come on the boards and whine and moan about any game that isn't designed the way they think it should be (which by the way is just about everygame on the market). Some day you guys will all just come to realize that you're not as cool as you think and your opinions are in the minority, not commercially feasible so not very often tried.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
You are right but when a person does nothing but complain they are "whiners".
Haha and judging by grandpagamers last post I'm not the only one who is unfortunate enough to be subjected to your usual posts doubter
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I can see both this game, and Champions going f2p with full item mall.
However....if Cryptic keeps doing what they have been (with CO, which I bought and no longer play) they will really pull some strings......monthly sub + vanity cash shop + in game benefits cash shop.
Come on people
CO = monthly sub, vanity cashshop, AND in game benefits cash shop (expesnive "retcon" lol, basically just a reroll u pay for).
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
I have yet to see you leave a positive post about any game. You are a chronic whiner. No, your not my kids, they do not whine.
Your kids don't whine? Anyone who has kids knows that isnt true
[Poll] When will STO become "Free To Play" ? It's lost most of it's momentum before launch. People have been canceling Pre-Orders. The game appears to be full of instancing and small 10vs10 PvP battles.
What is your basis for this assessment? A small number of very vocal people on the forums or the word of mouth of a few “friends” who are playing closed beta? Both of which represent only a fraction of the people who are looking to purchase and try this game.
I’m sure that WOW had people making the exact same statement before it was released.
Do I think STO will be WOW popular? No probably not. But I think it has the elements to be successful in its own right.
I don't see how this is a serious subject to be honest. why all the hate for this game anyways? are these all Aion players who are bitter?
The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
This is a sensible view if I've ever seen one, for one when we have games as utterly broken as AOC was/is for as long as it has been and is not f2p what would even make one think that going F2P is some tool OFTEN used by struggling companies to keep flagging titles going.
Guess what genius (op) you have one example really and that would be DDO (which according to Turbine is doing much better now than as a p2p game) but it's questionable as to the reasons for the f2p model by Turbine there is no guarantee that game was going to die it more than likely has something to do with the trouble that exists between them and Atari.
As I think back I'm having a hard time recalling more than three games to close in the last 3-4 years so I certainly have to agree all of you with the doomsday attitudes are way over-hyped.
And I think my biggest problem again is they so often attempt to make there opinions seem as logical fact as they liberally attack just about every single game to come out with the exception of games deserving of our hate as a community, and we all know there are lot's of games that released with false advertising and worse.
I have nothing against someone not being interested in a game or concept I consider fun but what does get annoying is constantly having to hear from these same four people over and over again no matter what the game, get a clue guys if you hated the last 15 mmo's to release you are probably not as big an mmo fan as you think and should maybe move on as opposed to forcing us to listwn to the constant whining we are subjected to.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I don't see how this is a serious subject to be honest. why all the hate for this game anyways? are these all Aion players who are bitter?
The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
Exactly. It is what it is. It will be what it is. If one doesnt like what they see its not mandatory that they buy it. But for some its very important to whine and cry and repeatably voice their angst over something a trivial as a video game. Record debt, shrinking dollar, highest unemployment in decades and oh my God STO isnt what I wanted.
***Drachasor day 2 very sick post...."to the last...I grapple...with thee"***
This is a forum for talking about games, so we talk about games. Hopes, dreams, disappointments, fears, predictions, wants, dislikes, etc. If either of you don't like that, then you can go. If I want to talk about the externalities of healthcare or how screwed up the legislative branch of the US government (on a systematic level) is, then I am not going to do it here. Quite frankly, the gaming population in general is pretty horribly uninformed on such matters though forums are always 10 times or more worse than real life.
Anyhow, all I am doing is stating my reasons for thinking the game won't turn out good and why it is a bad investment to buy untested. If you want to mislabel such reasoning as "whining" then I certainly can't stop you, but that doesn't make your statement remotely accurate.
Really, if I was going to make cardboard signs projecting doom, I'd probably go with every negative thing anyone thought about the game. So, getting back on the original topic, I'd think that the game would become F2P at some point. I don't, however, believe that.
[Poll] When will STO become "Free To Play" ? It's lost most of it's momentum before launch. People have been canceling Pre-Orders. The game appears to be full of instancing and small 10vs10 PvP battles.
Sorry...Where are your sources for this? Proof, Facts Evidence?
oh thats right you just troll heresay and pretend its fact......
Considering its in Beta, the Devs are talking to the Beta testers, they have more info than you probably do, I am more likely to trust someone actually in the beta than you attempts at trolling
I don't see how this is a serious subject to be honest. why all the hate for this game anyways? are these all Aion players who are bitter?
I don't think it is likely it will ever be F2P. As for the hate..well, a 2 year dev cycle? You'd think this would be an easy game to hate, because it is representing a lot of the standard things you see in the crappy MMOs that get put out these days. It is rushed, things got scaled back, gameplay will be poorly balanced in both PvP and PvE, the game itself will be short on content and shallow (and random content has been done before, and done by Cryptic before, and they haven't done that good of a job). The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
About your statement on a 2 year Dev cycle. It was only 2 years because unlike most MMO houses they didn't have to build the engine from scratch, and the import and export dev tools. Dev tool and engine development alone can take upwards of 3 years. Content is all they had to develop, which wasn't hard given that Star Trek has a lot of references to pull from.
Even games with pre-built engines generally have a 3 year minimum development cycle. Don't believe me? Look it up.
My prediction for CO so far is that it will go free to play when DCUO launches. My Prediction for STO so far is that it will go free to play when SW:ToR launches. You don't have to agree lol, just posting my own personal opinion.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
My prediction for CO so far is that it will go free to play when DCUO launches. My Prediction for STO so far is that it will go free to play when SW:ToR launches. You don't have to agree lol, just posting my own personal opinion.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
So you quoted the post and still couldn't figure it out? Read the last line of it and even you can figure it out.
My prediction for CO so far is that it will go free to play when DCUO launches. My Prediction for STO so far is that it will go free to play when SW:ToR launches. You don't have to agree lol, just posting my own personal opinion.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
So you quoted the post and still couldn't figure it out? Read the last line of it and even you can figure it out.
And, you miss my point. To make an actual prediction, one must base it off of something factual. Then, the prediction has merit. However, if the prediction is based off non-factual things, like opinions, then it is pure an utter self-serving horse shit. Which is exactly what GrayGhost79's prediction consists of.
My prediction for CO so far is that it will go free to play when DCUO launches. My Prediction for STO so far is that it will go free to play when SW:ToR launches. You don't have to agree lol, just posting my own personal opinion.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
So you quoted the post and still couldn't figure it out? Read the last line of it and even you can figure it out.
And, you miss my point. To make an actual prediction, one must base it off of something factual. Then, the prediction has merit. However, if the prediction is based off non-factual things, like opinions, then it is pure an utter self-serving horse shit. Which is exactly what GrayGhost79's prediction consists of.
So if I had said from what I know based off of my Promotional 6 month CO sub that STO is suffering from the same short commings of CO and that it will likely end up with the same sub count due to those short commings and that based off of CO's item mall and it's retcon I believe STO will likely have some items on there that will have an impact on the game as well even though it is a pay to play MMO. And then stated my opinion that STO will go free to play when SW:ToR launches you would have accepeted it?
Neither my prediction nor your prediction are fact. They are merely opinions based on what each of us knows and feels. The difference is... you tried to base your personal opinion off as being at least some what factual. I stated mine was nothing more than an opinion from the word go.
I mean if were taking a developers history into account here... CO had another MMO with around a 2 year dev cycle correct? With an item mall as well? Using the same engine? That has already been reduced to 10-20k subs in it's first few months after launch?
I mean if were taking a developers history into account here... CO had another MMO with around a 2 year dev cycle correct? With an item mall as well? Using the same engine? That has already been reduced to 10-20k subs in it's first few months after launch? But hey thanks for playing
I would like to know where you got those sub numbers from as I don't believe they are public knowledge.
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Straight from cryptic's marketing department.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't think it is likely it will ever be F2P. As for the hate..well, a 2 year dev cycle? You'd think this would be an easy game to hate, because it is representing a lot of the standard things you see in the crappy MMOs that get put out these days. It is rushed, things got scaled back, gameplay will be poorly balanced in both PvP and PvE, the game itself will be short on content and shallow (and random content has been done before, and done by Cryptic before, and they haven't done that good of a job). The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
About your statement on a 2 year Dev cycle. It was only 2 years because unlike most MMO houses they didn't have to build the engine from scratch, and the import and export dev tools. Dev tool and engine development alone can take upwards of 3 years. Content is all they had to develop, which wasn't hard given that Star Trek has a lot of references to pull from.
Played - EQ 1/2, WoW, SWG, SWTOR, GW 1/2 UO, STO, CO, DCUO, AO, Rift.
The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
Exactly. It is what it is. It will be what it is. If one doesnt like what they see its not mandatory that they buy it. But for some its very important to whine and cry and repeatably voice their angst over something a trivial as a video game. Record debt, shrinking dollar, highest unemployment in decades and oh my God STO isnt what I wanted.
Plenty of angst in your post, BTW.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Plenty of angst in your post, BTW.
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
If champions online goes that way and we see the same or near the same content in sto there will be a chance but no one knows it's not even out yet.
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
I have yet to see you leave a positive post about any game. You are a chronic whiner. No, your not my kids, they do not whine.
WTF are you talking about? Oh because you and a few other doom and gloom internet nerds aren't overly impressed means the game is doing bad or something?
Show me something other than your feeling about the game that shows it is in trouble. I mean honestly no one on these boards are as influential as you seem to all think so why is it so many project there personal feelings onto thousands of other people?
News flash there are plenty of games that don't even work well that are not F2P so why would this game go that route? Because you don't like it's design? Again please stop trying to speak for droves of people when you really only mean yourself (and that goes for the other twenty or so mmorpg doom and gloomers) you know guys like mmo doubter and others who just come on the boards and whine and moan about any game that isn't designed the way they think it should be (which by the way is just about everygame on the market). Some day you guys will all just come to realize that you're not as cool as you think and your opinions are in the minority, not commercially feasible so not very often tried.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
You are right but when a person does nothing but complain they are "whiners".
Haha and judging by grandpagamers last post I'm not the only one who is unfortunate enough to be subjected to your usual posts doubter
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Q2 - 2010 is what I voted....why?
I can see both this game, and Champions going f2p with full item mall.
However....if Cryptic keeps doing what they have been (with CO, which I bought and no longer play) they will really pull some strings......monthly sub + vanity cash shop + in game benefits cash shop.
Come on people
CO = monthly sub, vanity cashshop, AND in game benefits cash shop (expesnive "retcon" lol, basically just a reroll u pay for).
So why wouldnt this happen to STO?
I play all ghame
Ive never tolerated a whiner, my kids knew that by the time they started school. My God, I just heard SWTOR was gonna suck too. Nothing left but suicide i guess.
We're not your kids, and a complaint you don't agree with is not automatically a 'whine'.
I have yet to see you leave a positive post about any game. You are a chronic whiner. No, your not my kids, they do not whine.
Your kids don't whine? Anyone who has kids knows that isnt true
I play all ghame
What is your basis for this assessment? A small number of very vocal people on the forums or the word of mouth of a few “friends” who are playing closed beta? Both of which represent only a fraction of the people who are looking to purchase and try this game.
I’m sure that WOW had people making the exact same statement before it was released.
Do I think STO will be WOW popular? No probably not. But I think it has the elements to be successful in its own right.
Just a reminder to stay on topic.
The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
This is a sensible view if I've ever seen one, for one when we have games as utterly broken as AOC was/is for as long as it has been and is not f2p what would even make one think that going F2P is some tool OFTEN used by struggling companies to keep flagging titles going.
Guess what genius (op) you have one example really and that would be DDO (which according to Turbine is doing much better now than as a p2p game) but it's questionable as to the reasons for the f2p model by Turbine there is no guarantee that game was going to die it more than likely has something to do with the trouble that exists between them and Atari.
As I think back I'm having a hard time recalling more than three games to close in the last 3-4 years so I certainly have to agree all of you with the doomsday attitudes are way over-hyped.
And I think my biggest problem again is they so often attempt to make there opinions seem as logical fact as they liberally attack just about every single game to come out with the exception of games deserving of our hate as a community, and we all know there are lot's of games that released with false advertising and worse.
I have nothing against someone not being interested in a game or concept I consider fun but what does get annoying is constantly having to hear from these same four people over and over again no matter what the game, get a clue guys if you hated the last 15 mmo's to release you are probably not as big an mmo fan as you think and should maybe move on as opposed to forcing us to listwn to the constant whining we are subjected to.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
hrm, Champions Online just went F2P up to level 15 and how long has that been out?
also made by Cryptic
The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
I think it's possible that the lappers up realize that this is a video game, and not a health care plan or something else that might hurt them if it's bad. The worst that can happen is that they might feel they didn't get their moneys worth if they don't like it. Probably won't be the first time that has ever happened. The writing on the wall and the cardboard doomsday signs are what's over-hyped .
Exactly. It is what it is. It will be what it is. If one doesnt like what they see its not mandatory that they buy it. But for some its very important to whine and cry and repeatably voice their angst over something a trivial as a video game. Record debt, shrinking dollar, highest unemployment in decades and oh my God STO isnt what I wanted.
***Drachasor day 2 very sick post...."to the last...I grapple...with thee"***
This is a forum for talking about games, so we talk about games. Hopes, dreams, disappointments, fears, predictions, wants, dislikes, etc. If either of you don't like that, then you can go. If I want to talk about the externalities of healthcare or how screwed up the legislative branch of the US government (on a systematic level) is, then I am not going to do it here. Quite frankly, the gaming population in general is pretty horribly uninformed on such matters though forums are always 10 times or more worse than real life.
Anyhow, all I am doing is stating my reasons for thinking the game won't turn out good and why it is a bad investment to buy untested. If you want to mislabel such reasoning as "whining" then I certainly can't stop you, but that doesn't make your statement remotely accurate.
Really, if I was going to make cardboard signs projecting doom, I'd probably go with every negative thing anyone thought about the game. So, getting back on the original topic, I'd think that the game would become F2P at some point. I don't, however, believe that.
Edit: Added Kahn quote for funsies.
Sorry...Where are your sources for this? Proof, Facts Evidence?
oh thats right you just troll heresay and pretend its fact......
Considering its in Beta, the Devs are talking to the Beta testers, they have more info than you probably do, I am more likely to trust someone actually in the beta than you attempts at trolling
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png
Where is the "When SW:ToR Launches" option?
My prediction for CO so far is that it will go free to play when DCUO launches.
My Prediction for STO so far is that it will go free to play when SW:ToR launches.
You don't have to agree lol, just posting my own personal opinion.
I don't think it is likely it will ever be F2P. As for the hate..well, a 2 year dev cycle? You'd think this would be an easy game to hate, because it is representing a lot of the standard things you see in the crappy MMOs that get put out these days. It is rushed, things got scaled back, gameplay will be poorly balanced in both PvP and PvE, the game itself will be short on content and shallow (and random content has been done before, and done by Cryptic before, and they haven't done that good of a job). The game is hyped to hell though, and there seem to be people lapping it up despite all the obvious signs this game is going to have major problems. Incredibly, Cryptic less than 6 months ago did the exact same thing with CO -- another game that looked good before launch and was hyped up, and people still can't read the writing on the wall with STO.
About your statement on a 2 year Dev cycle. It was only 2 years because unlike most MMO houses they didn't have to build the engine from scratch, and the import and export dev tools. Dev tool and engine development alone can take upwards of 3 years. Content is all they had to develop, which wasn't hard given that Star Trek has a lot of references to pull from.
Even games with pre-built engines generally have a 3 year minimum development cycle. Don't believe me? Look it up.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
So you quoted the post and still couldn't figure it out? Read the last line of it and even you can figure it out.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
So you quoted the post and still couldn't figure it out? Read the last line of it and even you can figure it out.
And, you miss my point. To make an actual prediction, one must base it off of something factual. Then, the prediction has merit. However, if the prediction is based off non-factual things, like opinions, then it is pure an utter self-serving horse shit. Which is exactly what GrayGhost79's prediction consists of.
And, your "predictions" are based off of what? Do you have anything factual to back up your "predictions"?
I could make a different, but much more logical prediction about both DCUO and SW:ToR. To which, I will right now.
My prediction for DCUO is that it will only become a success because it is F2P. However, it's community will be worse off than WoW's community due to it being F2P and attracting every free-loading individual who doesn't want to pay subscription prices. Not to mention that the cash shop involved in this game could very well become shady based off of the historical actions of $OE with their other games.
My prediction for SW:ToR is that it will become a lesser NGE flop. It will be a piss-poor game due to the history of EA with MMORPG's. Every MMORPG they get their hands on turns to crap. And, it will also suck as Lucas Arts (LA) is just a bunch of money-grubbing worms that care nothing for what the players want. They only care about profits and maintaining the ideal of the SW brand (*cough* SWG NGE anyone *cough*) Therefore, when EA and LA came together to make SW:ToR, it spelled the epic failure of that game.
See, my predictions actually have merit as they are based on something factual (developing companies' histories). What factual information are you basing your "predictions" on?
So you quoted the post and still couldn't figure it out? Read the last line of it and even you can figure it out.
And, you miss my point. To make an actual prediction, one must base it off of something factual. Then, the prediction has merit. However, if the prediction is based off non-factual things, like opinions, then it is pure an utter self-serving horse shit. Which is exactly what GrayGhost79's prediction consists of.
So if I had said from what I know based off of my Promotional 6 month CO sub that STO is suffering from the same short commings of CO and that it will likely end up with the same sub count due to those short commings and that based off of CO's item mall and it's retcon I believe STO will likely have some items on there that will have an impact on the game as well even though it is a pay to play MMO. And then stated my opinion that STO will go free to play when SW:ToR launches you would have accepeted it?
Neither my prediction nor your prediction are fact. They are merely opinions based on what each of us knows and feels. The difference is... you tried to base your personal opinion off as being at least some what factual. I stated mine was nothing more than an opinion from the word go.
I mean if were taking a developers history into account here... CO had another MMO with around a 2 year dev cycle correct? With an item mall as well? Using the same engine? That has already been reduced to 10-20k subs in it's first few months after launch?
But hey thanks for playing
I would like to know where you got those sub numbers from as I don't believe they are public knowledge.