Ive missed that some of devs was on drugs while VG was in work progress. Anyone care to link a good source? And its a sad day to see VG in this shape, its like watching a dead horse get beaten by a stick of some sort.
There is no good source. Its just a rumor told enough times that some people take it as proven fact.
Ive missed that some of devs was on drugs while VG was in work progress. Anyone care to link a good source? And its a sad day to see VG in this shape, its like watching a dead horse get beaten by a stick of some sort.
There is no good source. Its just a rumor told enough times that some people take it as proven fact.
There is a good source. Namely Brad himself. In one of his own last blogs (not so long ago) he admitted he had addiction problem during VG's development.
It isn't like soe getting involved provided an infusion of confidence that players could associate with and thus support the game. In fact it made a sizable portion of potential players walk away from the game.
I remember very clearly that the performance issues a lot of players had drove far more away than the rescue of the game by SOE. But for those who didn't want to play it under SOE that was fine, they were perfectly entitled to walk away, the point being that SOE's rescue gave others the opportunity to play the game that would have been denied them if Sigil had been allowed to go under which everyone without exception knew was the only alternative at the time.
so much hate toward SOE:...well its a very professional buisness even if you maybe dont agree with their way. but fact is the player base let down this game, by not playing it. so why spend extra $$$ on it. Vanguard is properbly one the most of an MMORPG I personally played. SOE made the mistake release this game too early, but now that its rather polished ppl still stay away....because they are oh so letted down by its release. I for one dont get the ppl cry about its potential, when it is actually right there. maybe not as well polished as WoW or what else to compare it to. it just is abit diffrent style. either way the game aint shutted down, if you like a real MMORPG go play this....then maybe next year it would get proper funding...if only afew 1000 play am sure you all is right and it will be shutted down. or kept on afew server and never updated, just kept running to make their station passsees attractive. you havent been paying for the last few years of polish and server stability improvements, that the "HC" fans of this kind of MMO did - just a note I aint one of them, and am just playing "while waitin for next expansion". but the few group dungeons Ive been in were simply amazing. customers decision...and SOE still keep that decision open...but would understand how max lvl ppl would cancel since they properbly done it all already.
Blame gamers? Yeah...that is right...it is our fault. ::rolls her eyes::
"Unreal is a FPS engine, and lots and lots of modifications are being made to make it an MMOG engine that suits Vanguard's specific needs. "
Apparently they are not well verse enough and really lost a lot of time trying to tinker with it. Thus after 30mil and a few years, when MS see the state that VG is still in, they simply cut off the funding.
Very obvious fact regarding its an un-finish product, you just need to take a look at your manual. Those very early alpha pictures shows you clearly they have really wasted a lot of time and money.
So i don't MS for bailing out, and with an un-finish launch in mmo, we all knows what happens next, and the rest is history...
WTF is soe doing...fuck up every game they have and now vanguard is next??? ive played it for 3-4 years and they still havent updatet a thing and no expansions or anything. Love the game..but SOE just make me mad..hope those failures thrash the game and realise how fucking stupid they are.
WTF is soe doing...fuck up every game they have and now vanguard is next??? ive played it for 3-4 years and they still havent updatet a thing and no expansions or anything. Love the game..but SOE just make me mad..hope those failures thrash the game and realise how fucking stupid they are.
WTF is soe doing...fuck up every game they have and now vanguard is next??? ive played it for 3-4 years and they still havent updatet a thing and no expansions or anything. Love the game..but SOE just make me mad..hope those failures thrash the game and realise how fucking stupid they are.
I had a good time in my short stint with this game. Doing a dungeon crawl or the unicorn quest chain all in a huge uninstanced world.
I highly recommend Darkfall to the jaded Vanguard community. They are not that far apart with the main difference being it is FFA with full loot that is skill based. I'm not much of a PvP'er but I enjoy the danger. If you have any questions about Darkfall feel free to PM me.
It was one of the saddest announcements that I ever recall hearing. Since that day, I had no doubt that SoE would ultimately kill Vanguard. Nice to see that SoE is doing their best not to disappoint me.
I don't blame SoE. If a game like Vanguard struggle with less than 10.000 subscribers, the market preferences and customers are to blame. Why should SoE pump money into this when there's clearly no customers for it? I did try to promote Vanguard here, and on a few other boards for over two years. I love this game, but 99.999% of the players don't. I don't regret a single minute I spent in it, and will enjoy the game until the very end.
I agree. The game is what it is. It works fine and is not the broken, horrid mess is was at launch. There is little in the game keeping you from enjoying it now, all the hitches and bugs are stuff you can overcome, they do not cripple gameplay. The low population is a minus when you're leveling up, that's true, but that's sort of the chicken and egg there - I'll go with the chicken myself.
I'm afraid what's happened is, Brad McQuaid's vision has indeed gone out of fashion. As Thillian said, if people don't like it now, maybe there's no market for such a game anymore. Or maybe people have unprecedented high standards for quality in MMOs now - if true, this will leave no breathing space for any games other than those made by Blizzard or Turbine, which is a bit depressing, but oh well... We'll see.
I'm not a fan of SOE, but they kept the game up when almost no other company would. Can you imagine EA or NCsoft at the wheel? They would shut it down in its first year.
If you want to fail a game sell it to SOE! I don't buy any thing sony after SWG NGE mess, I don't trust them and many of my guild mates don't buy anything sony have nothing to do with SOE. If you want failure sell your game to SOE it's a sure bet.
It isn't like soe getting involved provided an infusion of confidence that players could associate with and thus support the game. In fact it made a sizable portion of potential players walk away from the game.
I remember very clearly that the performance issues a lot of players had drove far more away than the rescue of the game by SOE. But for those who didn't want to play it under SOE that was fine, they were perfectly entitled to walk away, the point being that SOE's rescue gave others the opportunity to play the game that would have been denied them if Sigil had been allowed to go under which everyone without exception knew was the only alternative at the time.
It is an assumption that Sigil would have went under without SOE, because honestly no one knows what (if any) efforts were put forth to find additional funding. For all we know Brad sat at home stoned out of his mind eating cheetos while his company swirled around the toilet until he got up the nerve to ask his old friend for some help. Logically that is the first place he would have looked and it was very much in soes best interest to keep this project in their area of influence. There is even the off chance that microsoft might have kicked brad to the curb and done something with the project. Not likely, but who knows.
Also I wouldn't really say what SOE did was rescue Vanguard, they simply didn't allow it a respectful and quiet death. All they did was continue funding a wildly out of control project that was steaming full speed towards failure. If soe had done anything to correct the problems that were obvious then maybe it was a rescue, but they really did nothing. What company seriously makes this kind of investment without demanding some form of change be made to correct the problems that put Vanguard in the position it was already in? Nothing about what happened with Vanguard suggests soe was trying to save the project.
That is like having an intervention with your friend who has a drinking problem and then to celebrate the successful intervention you take him to the bar for drinks.
This is what SOE does with games. They just let them waste away and neglect them. To bad you people still playinmg thier games do not realize this. People should just stop playing SOE games completely and watch them go under as they should have done long ago. As long as John Smedley is in charge this is what you can expect.
This kind of reminds me when mythic shutdown Mythic-realms. Mythic-realms hosted around 8 online games. One day I was just playing and all of the sudden every game on the portal went down.
It was around a week later before mythic issued a closure statement, that pretty much said thanks for the years of money but we are going to close mythic-realms down to keep our full attention to dark age of camelot, heres a free month to DAoC.
I just dont see soe hanging on to this game, im sure once they announce their new eq3, soon after will come the downfall of vanguard.
This is one of the reasons I dont play this game is fear of it going under, I have been burnt to many times with mmo companies shutting down games.
Game started with a limp - can't say I didn't expect this.
The MMO industry is really unforgiving of a failed launch, and that is exactly what did this game in. Second chances could've surged new life into this game - but people aren't so willing, either.
i was in beta a long time, and i can still remember how much a mess the game was, when i originally got into beta (was more than a year before final launch). progress was really slow they kept revamping things all the time.
Most of teh final version that went live was revamped in the last 6 months before release, which most likely was the cause for the high amount of bugs and problems at launch since there was just not enough time to do everything before release. In the end also some people form soe were helping to finish as much as possible.
Release date was that early since Sigil had no more money, no idea how the exact deal with SOE was when they took over publishing rights from MS (but i doubt SOE payed too much for it ).
As was said before SOE payed a rather big dev team after they took over Sigil, and over time when they noticed that they cannot keep subscriber numbers high enough to fund that team they started cutting positions. I doubt any other company would have done this much different.
The question is why it took so long to fix things that they lost that many players to start with, and there might be different causes like the game was really a so big mess that it took that long time, or that the devs that worked on it were not good/experienced enough, or maybe also wrong prioritizing of work resources in management. No Idea whats the truth here. I just doubt any other company would have made a really successful mmo out of vanguard after this release.
Anyway i don't want to defend SOE, but i personally think most problems of vanguard are caused by the mess that happened during beta with nearly all parts of the game being done twice or even more often, which used up a lot time and money resources that were missing in the end for polishing the game. Which means the management during development failed and the bad launch ruined most chances for the game.
In times before WoW you could maybe have turned the game around, but if you look at all recent releases in the post WoW time then they all have in common, that you need a good release to have a chance to gather a big enough playerbase and stay successful. Most games with bad/failed releases end up on life support rather fast, there is no longer a real second chance for any mmo.
I'd like to present SOE with the fail of the year award! /applause
Yeah, what a nice Christmas present they gave the community.
They could of at least waited for New Years and had some fun with it.
"Happy New Years! For our New Years resolution, we are giving up that new content we were almost done with! Unlike your resolution, we are gonna keep ours!"
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
Hey its Xandor if anyone rememebr me from the VG fourms befor I got kicked.
You guys have stuck it out way to long. I feel if everone quit it would be the best thing for the game. Its going NOWHERE with Silius as lead DEV. I quit about a year ago because the raid content was 6 months over due, AND IT STILL ISNT OUT! What a joke. I'll aways remember that game as the best times I have ever had in an MMO. FFA PVP server, sandbox as its gets. What a way to ruin the best MMO IMO.
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There is no good source. Its just a rumor told enough times that some people take it as proven fact.
There is no good source. Its just a rumor told enough times that some people take it as proven fact.
There is a good source. Namely Brad himself. In one of his own last blogs (not so long ago) he admitted he had addiction problem during VG's development.
Cheers
I remember very clearly that the performance issues a lot of players had drove far more away than the rescue of the game by SOE. But for those who didn't want to play it under SOE that was fine, they were perfectly entitled to walk away, the point being that SOE's rescue gave others the opportunity to play the game that would have been denied them if Sigil had been allowed to go under which everyone without exception knew was the only alternative at the time.
Blame gamers? Yeah...that is right...it is our fault. ::rolls her eyes::
Iirc, the state of VG is cause by the developers trying to modified the Unreal engine.
vanguardvault.ign.com/faq/index.php
"Unreal is a FPS engine, and lots and lots of modifications are being made to make it an MMOG engine that suits Vanguard's specific needs. "
Apparently they are not well verse enough and really lost a lot of time trying to tinker with it. Thus after 30mil and a few years, when MS see the state that VG is still in, they simply cut off the funding.
Very obvious fact regarding its an un-finish product, you just need to take a look at your manual. Those very early alpha pictures shows you clearly they have really wasted a lot of time and money.
So i don't MS for bailing out, and with an un-finish launch in mmo, we all knows what happens next, and the rest is history...
RIP Orc Choppa
WTF is soe doing...fuck up every game they have and now vanguard is next??? ive played it for 3-4 years and they still havent updatet a thing and no expansions or anything. Love the game..but SOE just make me mad..hope those failures thrash the game and realise how fucking stupid they are.
Vanguard is only 35 months old
REALITY CHECK
The amount of FAIL is strong in this one! ROFL.
I had a good time in my short stint with this game. Doing a dungeon crawl or the unicorn quest chain all in a huge uninstanced world.
I highly recommend Darkfall to the jaded Vanguard community. They are not that far apart with the main difference being it is FFA with full loot that is skill based. I'm not much of a PvP'er but I enjoy the danger. If you have any questions about Darkfall feel free to PM me.
I don't blame SoE. If a game like Vanguard struggle with less than 10.000 subscribers, the market preferences and customers are to blame. Why should SoE pump money into this when there's clearly no customers for it? I did try to promote Vanguard here, and on a few other boards for over two years. I love this game, but 99.999% of the players don't. I don't regret a single minute I spent in it, and will enjoy the game until the very end.
I agree. The game is what it is. It works fine and is not the broken, horrid mess is was at launch. There is little in the game keeping you from enjoying it now, all the hitches and bugs are stuff you can overcome, they do not cripple gameplay. The low population is a minus when you're leveling up, that's true, but that's sort of the chicken and egg there - I'll go with the chicken myself.
I'm afraid what's happened is, Brad McQuaid's vision has indeed gone out of fashion. As Thillian said, if people don't like it now, maybe there's no market for such a game anymore. Or maybe people have unprecedented high standards for quality in MMOs now - if true, this will leave no breathing space for any games other than those made by Blizzard or Turbine, which is a bit depressing, but oh well... We'll see.
I'm not a fan of SOE, but they kept the game up when almost no other company would. Can you imagine EA or NCsoft at the wheel? They would shut it down in its first year.
Oh, and:
Save the Raki!
If you want to fail a game sell it to SOE! I don't buy any thing sony after SWG NGE mess, I don't trust them and many of my guild mates don't buy anything sony have nothing to do with SOE. If you want failure sell your game to SOE it's a sure bet.
I remember very clearly that the performance issues a lot of players had drove far more away than the rescue of the game by SOE. But for those who didn't want to play it under SOE that was fine, they were perfectly entitled to walk away, the point being that SOE's rescue gave others the opportunity to play the game that would have been denied them if Sigil had been allowed to go under which everyone without exception knew was the only alternative at the time.
It is an assumption that Sigil would have went under without SOE, because honestly no one knows what (if any) efforts were put forth to find additional funding. For all we know Brad sat at home stoned out of his mind eating cheetos while his company swirled around the toilet until he got up the nerve to ask his old friend for some help. Logically that is the first place he would have looked and it was very much in soes best interest to keep this project in their area of influence. There is even the off chance that microsoft might have kicked brad to the curb and done something with the project. Not likely, but who knows.
Also I wouldn't really say what SOE did was rescue Vanguard, they simply didn't allow it a respectful and quiet death. All they did was continue funding a wildly out of control project that was steaming full speed towards failure. If soe had done anything to correct the problems that were obvious then maybe it was a rescue, but they really did nothing. What company seriously makes this kind of investment without demanding some form of change be made to correct the problems that put Vanguard in the position it was already in? Nothing about what happened with Vanguard suggests soe was trying to save the project.
That is like having an intervention with your friend who has a drinking problem and then to celebrate the successful intervention you take him to the bar for drinks.
Soe has to kill it before eq "next" or eq 3 or whatever.. just part of the cycle to move to the next eq..
What is the player base looking foward to in VG?? K pull that then! They are trying to get people to quit, it's pretty funny.
/e Gets Out His Pitchfork And Joins Teala
This kind of reminds me when mythic shutdown Mythic-realms. Mythic-realms hosted around 8 online games. One day I was just playing and all of the sudden every game on the portal went down.
It was around a week later before mythic issued a closure statement, that pretty much said thanks for the years of money but we are going to close mythic-realms down to keep our full attention to dark age of camelot, heres a free month to DAoC.
I just dont see soe hanging on to this game, im sure once they announce their new eq3, soon after will come the downfall of vanguard.
This is one of the reasons I dont play this game is fear of it going under, I have been burnt to many times with mmo companies shutting down games.
Game started with a limp - can't say I didn't expect this.
The MMO industry is really unforgiving of a failed launch, and that is exactly what did this game in. Second chances could've surged new life into this game - but people aren't so willing, either.
Oh well.
I wonder how many people will close there account.
i was in beta a long time, and i can still remember how much a mess the game was, when i originally got into beta (was more than a year before final launch). progress was really slow they kept revamping things all the time.
Most of teh final version that went live was revamped in the last 6 months before release, which most likely was the cause for the high amount of bugs and problems at launch since there was just not enough time to do everything before release. In the end also some people form soe were helping to finish as much as possible.
Release date was that early since Sigil had no more money, no idea how the exact deal with SOE was when they took over publishing rights from MS (but i doubt SOE payed too much for it ).
As was said before SOE payed a rather big dev team after they took over Sigil, and over time when they noticed that they cannot keep subscriber numbers high enough to fund that team they started cutting positions. I doubt any other company would have done this much different.
The question is why it took so long to fix things that they lost that many players to start with, and there might be different causes like the game was really a so big mess that it took that long time, or that the devs that worked on it were not good/experienced enough, or maybe also wrong prioritizing of work resources in management. No Idea whats the truth here. I just doubt any other company would have made a really successful mmo out of vanguard after this release.
Anyway i don't want to defend SOE, but i personally think most problems of vanguard are caused by the mess that happened during beta with nearly all parts of the game being done twice or even more often, which used up a lot time and money resources that were missing in the end for polishing the game. Which means the management during development failed and the bad launch ruined most chances for the game.
In times before WoW you could maybe have turned the game around, but if you look at all recent releases in the post WoW time then they all have in common, that you need a good release to have a chance to gather a big enough playerbase and stay successful. Most games with bad/failed releases end up on life support rather fast, there is no longer a real second chance for any mmo.
The big deal is not not so much that the content is shelved, but that they lied when they told us it was almost ready. There is no defense for that.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Couldn't have said it better myself. lol
I'd like to present SOE with the fail of the year award!
/applause
Yeah, what a nice Christmas present they gave the community.
Yeah, what a nice Christmas present they gave the community.
They could of at least waited for New Years and had some fun with it.
"Happy New Years! For our New Years resolution, we are giving up that new content we were almost done with! Unlike your resolution, we are gonna keep ours!"
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
Hey its Xandor if anyone rememebr me from the VG fourms befor I got kicked.
You guys have stuck it out way to long. I feel if everone quit it would be the best thing for the game. Its going NOWHERE with Silius as lead DEV. I quit about a year ago because the raid content was 6 months over due, AND IT STILL ISNT OUT! What a joke. I'll aways remember that game as the best times I have ever had in an MMO. FFA PVP server, sandbox as its gets. What a way to ruin the best MMO IMO.