I think its time you moved on from the mmorpg and find the next big thing.
Mmo were amazing fun at first cause they gave never befor seen and even posible game play.
You been doing it for a long time now and .. i think part of the fun is doing somthing you never thought posible Online is one of the big reason the genre really was awsom.
What do you do when you have explored everything the genre has to offer???
And there is NO way of going back into the future with the 6 year old mechanics and fast money making habits the Korean copycat throws at you. GW2 was postponed at least 2 full years because of WotLK. Expect another extended year after patch 3.3 hit the game in Dec 2009....for implementing the cross server mechanics....
Source? Or are you pulling crap out of your butt again.
OP, take an extended break from mmo's. Perhaps play some other online games or offline games. If you start to play some other mmos, you'll probably end up on the mmo merry-go-round (hoping from mmo to mmo trying to find one you can stick with).
Cross Server Dungeons in WoW is not the holy graal some people want to make it look like.
It DOES NOT connect people from all servers on a continent, but, it connect only poeple that play on the same "Battlegroup". Wich is a "small" group of servers.
For example, the Ruin Battlegroup is a group of 7 servers, most of them PvP where its still very difficult to find people doing level up dungeons and even endgame ones on the dead times of the day. It takes sometimes over an hour to get a group, so, the improvement was little. It's easier, theres no need to type on chat and look for people, but the time had little improvement.
Its a good feature, but not the holy graal of mmo's
Unfortunately for those saying not to blame WoW, i have no choice but to blame WoW.. it is fact that WoW RUINED my current MMO experience... WoW wasn;t my first mmo.. i started with runescape way back in classic but this isnt a history lesson.. anyways just making it clear that WoW wasn;t my first MMO. and in fact i played 2 asian styled games pretty similar to AION before my time in WoW.. i loved it.. i spent h ours grinding with not a care in teh world.. WoW came along and ruined the beauty of a challenging game.. I'm not Anti-WoW per-se, but i'm pretty fed up with it.. WoW does everything right, and at the same time everything wrong.. I was meaning to just take a few month's off of WoW but after realizing it's blanded my tastes.. im contemplating quitting altogether..
So you blame a game for .... very much doing everything right.
It "blanded your tastes", meaning you were spoiled by its game play and now your see the ugly truth: the competition is nowhere.
Pity: in the fantasy branche there's no competition which offers the same degree of "doing everything right'. (they lack ... money to do it).
Game over. Your pendulum goes from love/hate/love/hate. Even in ONE sentence. How could THAT be constructive ?
Please don't put out your individual emotions on a forum discussing game mechanics.
Basically what he is saying Zorn is that WoW is too easy, and he's right.
Now that he's pulled himself out of the abyss, he's having a hard time playing MMO's that have content that challenges you and engages you in the game world. After always having everything handed to you, you have a hard time adapting to an MMO world that is deep and immersive. Many other games are about the journey, where in WoW it's rush to end game and RAID RAID RAID. It's a mindset that has ruined this genre and I for one am glad to see developers starting to get away from it, even if it will take the masses a few years to unlearn the garbage that WoW has taught them.
OP, been there done that myself. I wondered around a few games and then eventually took a break from MMO's for awhile. Get away from the MMO scene and let your brain unlearn everything you became accustom to in WoW. After a brief period away from MMO's, go into your next one with absolutely zero expectations. You will experience the fun again as you play your new game based on it's merits rather than your previous experiences.
Good luck OP.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
I took a break from MMO's for about 6 months and have not missed em much at all.
Find some good single player or co op with your friends on something casual like borderlands. When you see a MMO that tickles your fancy then you will be rdy to give it a go and enjoy it alot more.
I know exactly what you are going through original poster.
While I really enjoyed the leveling in wow when I first started, the whole concept of completing little tasks for npcs to fill experience bars has really worn thin on me. Most new games I play get boring very fast, because it is a very thinly hidden grind via questing. The stories and immerision is usually very lacking to boot which makes playing the game more like a job than a doing something for entertainment.
What I do not associate with is the length of time being a factor. If the tasks, story and world are enjoyable I have no problem doing repetitive tasks nonstop. If those activities only feel like they are a necessary time sink to get to the real part of the game then it feels like a grind and I have no desire to play it.
A game should be fun while leveling, not some void that needs to be filled with lackluster gameplay. That is why so many games feel like a grind now. They try to emulate the wow leveling system which is the problem. Most cannot come close to offering as good an experience and most players have already done it so many times they would rather do anything else.
Unfortunately for those saying not to blame WoW, i have no choice but to blame WoW.. it is fact that WoW RUINED my current MMO experience... WoW wasn;t my first mmo.. i started with runescape way back in classic but this isnt a history lesson.. anyways just making it clear that WoW wasn;t my first MMO. and in fact i played 2 asian styled games pretty similar to AION before my time in WoW.. i loved it.. i spent h ours grinding with not a care in teh world.. WoW came along and ruined the beauty of a challenging game.. I'm not Anti-WoW per-se, but i'm pretty fed up with it.. WoW does everything right, and at the same time everything wrong.. I was meaning to just take a few month's off of WoW but after realizing it's blanded my tastes.. im contemplating quitting altogether..
So you blame a game for .... very much doing everything right.
It "blanded your tastes", meaning you were spoiled by its game play and now your see the ugly truth: the competition is nowhere.
Pity: in the fantasy branche there's no competition which offers the same degree of "doing everything right'. (they lack ... money to do it).
Game over. Your pendulum goes from love/hate/love/hate. Even in ONE sentence. How could THAT be constructive ?
Please don't put out your individual emotions on a forum discussing game mechanics.
Basically what he is saying Zorn is that WoW is too easy, and he's right.
Now that he's pulled himself out of the abyss, he's having a hard time playing MMO's that have content that challenges you and engages you in the game world. After always having everything handed to you, you have a hard time adapting to an MMO world that is deep and immersive. Many other games are about the journey, where in WoW it's rush to end game and RAID RAID RAID. It's a mindset that has ruined this genre and I for one am glad to see developers starting to get away from it, even if it will take the masses a few years to unlearn the garbage that WoW has taught them.
OP, been there done that myself. I wondered around a few games and then eventually took a break from MMO's for awhile. Get away from the MMO scene and let your brain unlearn everything you became accustom to in WoW. After a brief period away from MMO's, go into your next one with absolutely zero expectations. You will experience the fun again as you play your new game based on it's merits rather than your previous experiences.
Good luck OP.
IF you would have had the COURAGE to read upon HOW experience gains in WOW can even be completely turned OFF and ON at will and play the game to what you WANT to level in, you wouldn't write such things as:
".... to unlearn the garbage that WOW has taught them".
This dear fellow, is an INSULT to the extreme polish and playing options in Blizzard's WOW, you don't even KNOW about.
So the OP explains that he levels too fast.
He doesn't even know that gaining experience is just an option to turn off or on at will these days....
He could level entirely on PvP and use the dungeons, quest and world kills to advance his gear/crafting/character.
It very much shows Blizzard is already 10 miles further than the competition who is stuck in 2003 ....
And yes ... the Dutch PC magazine in Nov 2009 made the statement about the "going back in time 6 years" by Aion and its terrible PVE quests....
Oh get off your high horse Zorn.
Despite what you say and think, you are not the only one that has played WoW or knows anything about it. And yeah, I would still write such things.
I played the game for two years and my opinion is that it is too easy, just like your OPINION is that it's the second coming of the MMO messiahs. Actually you pointing out the multiple ways to level proves my point that the game is getting even easier from start to finish. More options = easier.
Did I say the game was unfun? No.
Did I say it was poorly made? No.
Do I think WoW introducing the unwashed masses of new gamers to the raid grind as the status quo in MMO's was a mistake for the genre? Yes. (yes EQ1 had raids but the MMO genre was a niche at that time)
WoW is a fun game but it is easy. It is not 10 miles further than the competiton, IMO...there is nothing groundbreaking about WoW that wasn't done before it came out. They just polished it up a little better than their predecessors. The problem is in the process of polishing it up, they removed much core design elements that made it's predecessors so enjoyable with their depth and immersion.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
Its just a phase. Give yourself a break from this style of game, or all games if you want, and come back when the interest arises again. But don't come back to Warcraft if you don't want to play it, come back to a different game when your interest peeks again.
Dam I did that. I had quit WoW, and starter to force my self to play Guild Wars for fun (Since I didnt have a Console at that time[ and geek])
I felt like I was going crazy with the games I was trying to replace WoW with.
I was Ranting on WoW, because around that time, I had got Banned from the Forum, and Banned from the WoTLK Beta Forums (For ranting on the 2hour Cool Down change they made. I was the First Ranter on this, and got the BanHammer for it). And for this, I lost respect for Blizzard and WoW, since I was one of the main people giving them Ideas for WoW.
But during my Raged Period away from WoW, playing my "So Called" replacments, I went mad crazed at how many of these games are Lacking.
After playing Guild Wars most of this time (note: I had Guild Wars Faction long before I even started Playing Vanilla WoW) I began to realize how truely Polished and Great, WoW is.
Thats why I would suggest to anybody that is bored of WoW, to just step back and play other games. Because soon you will realise why WoW is so successful.
Anybody ever get that type of feeling when playing another MMORPG, and say to yourself, "Damn It Would Be Cool If (insert Game) Had (insert something WoW has) feature" ?
Guild Wars with Mounts and Persistant World------
RoM and GW with a 40 vs 40man(or larger) PvP Instanced Fight with Large Scale PvE elements (AV for those that dont understand)---------
Tanking Classes in GW----
if GW gave its classes More Weapon and Armor options like WoW does, and not just everything Class Oriented (which WoW also uses, but not 100% of the time)
If GW had a AH----
If GW had Crafting and gathering system like WoW, and not just Class Armor npc crafter------------
No Click to Move and NO Auto Follow Combat in GW--------------
Talent Tree/ Sub Class specs in GW and RoM----------------------
Sounds like you should have never quit WoW if you are trying to look for WoW in the other games.
Well from all the talk about there being too many Theme Park MMOs, and Too Many WoW clones on this forum,
I expected to at least run into something that could pull me away from WoW and replace it, like WoW did for its Cloned game, EQ's fan base.
but nothing comes close.
I even got interested in trying out Sandbox style games, but the only good Sandbox games are always PvP focused, with Crappy PvE, and Sci Fi focused. Thats a Turn off.
I dont Like FFA PvP. I like Faction based PvP. I want a game with Balanced EndGame between PvE and PvP, like WoW does. Not just one or the other.
What I realise is that there are no Sandbox games like that. They are always PvP focused. With some type of gimmic
I often reflect on how as much as I enjoy traditional MMO's, I find it hard to devote time to a game with obvious and intentional grinding. I've had the 'grind' discussion with a few real life friends and on gamer boards, and the conclusion is typically that a grind is only a grind when you arent enjoying yourself. I dont think there is anything both in life and in game that you CANT label as a grind because of its repetitive nature.
With that said, I have a feeling that if you lack direction in the game you are playing, it will feel dull and grindy. If you have little confidence that the time you spend in your early hours will pay off in your later days, you wont have the motivation to play.
Whether it is the game's fault for lack of innovation or your heightened experience with the genre from past games, the best advice handed out is to take a break all together. Play console games for a while. If youre the creative type, draw, paint or sculpt something. In that time spent, reflect on your own what you most enjoy from MMORPGs.
Sounds like you should have never quit WoW if you are trying to look for WoW in the other games.
Well from all the talk about there being too many Theme Park MMOs, and Too Many WoW clones on this forum,
I expected to at least run into something that could pull me away from WoW and replace it, like WoW did for its Cloned game, EQ's fan base.
but nothing comes close.
I even got interested in trying out Sandbox style games, but the only good Sandbox games are always PvP focused, with Crappy PvE, and Sci Fi focused. Thats a Turn off.
I dont Like FFA PvP. I like Faction based PvP. I want a game with Balanced EndGame between PvE and PvP, like WoW does. Not just one or the other.
What I realise is that there are no Sandbox games like that. They are always PvP focused. With some type of gimmic
What you need is UO without all the suck of UO's present incarnation. A shame so many years later EA does not realize there are non-pvp players interested in sandbox MMO's.
Myself I lived in Fel, but I can certainly understand the appeal of a PVE centric sandbox.
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
I really wonder why EA doesn't look into UO more deeply. Perhaps make it fully 3d, and figure out what was disliked and what was liked, and improve upon the game and re-release it. There are gamers out there that are hungry for a sandbox game so it would be a profitable venture if they get a good team on it.
Anyways, after I quit WoW, I didn't touch an mmorpg for a few months myself. Played quite a lot of FPS games. Got back into mmorpgs later, and currently searching for a game that's able to keep me interested and eager to play.
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast, And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed: And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill, And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!" ~Lord George Gordon Byron
I really wonder why EA doesn't look into UO more deeply. Perhaps make it fully 3d, and figure out what was disliked and what was liked, and improve upon the game and re-release it. There are gamers out there that are hungry for a sandbox game so it would be a profitable venture if they get a good team on it. Anyways, after I quit WoW, I didn't touch an mmorpg for a few months myself. Played quite a lot of FPS games. Got back into mmorpgs later, and currently searching for a game that's able to keep me interested and eager to play.
they had a full 3D UO in the works with Tod Mcfarlane designing all the mobs the screen shots and few game play vids they let out made me freak out and i was ready to quit EQ i was playing at the time to jump in this awesome looking world.
but you know why that game never seen the light of day >>??<< well EA did not want to release this game cause of the fear of killing the player base for there 2d UO mmo
i don't remember the name they had for this 3d UO game but i am sure some one remembers this as well and might know the name
they had a full 3D UO in the works with Tod Mcfarlane designing all the mobs the screen shots and few game play vids they let out made me freak out and i was ready to quit EQ i was playing at the time to jump in this awesome looking world. but you know why that game never seen the light of day >>??<< well EA did not want to release this game cause of the fear of killing the player base for there 2d UO mmo i don't remember the name they had for this 3d UO game but i am sure some one remembers this as well and might know the name
Good grief... whoever made that decision must've been thinking small...
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast, And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed: And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill, And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!" ~Lord George Gordon Byron
they had a full 3D UO in the works with Tod Mcfarlane designing all the mobs the screen shots and few game play vids they let out made me freak out and i was ready to quit EQ i was playing at the time to jump in this awesome looking world. but you know why that game never seen the light of day >>??<< well EA did not want to release this game cause of the fear of killing the player base for there 2d UO mmo i don't remember the name they had for this 3d UO game but i am sure some one remembers this as well and might know the name
Good grief... whoever made that decision must've been thinking small...
Agreed, amidst one of the many reasons they decided that they would not move the game past alpha: "Gamers don't want cartoony graphics."
A few months later Blizzard released World of Warcraft...
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
It is not 10 miles further than the competiton, IMO...there is nothing groundbreaking about WoW that wasn't done before it came out. They just polished it up a little better than their predecessors. The problem is in the process of polishing it up, they removed much core design elements that made it's predecessors so enjoyable with their depth and immersion.
I tell you why it is light years ahead from the competition right NOW (not when you were playing it "back then"....).
24/7 on line PvP or PVE play in group or solo mode wherever you are, whenever, whatever you play.
From level 10 to level 80...
No other mmorpg comes even close in the blue. Meaning be level 37 and find a group to PvP with or dungeon crawl at 03.30 AM WITH or without experience gains in PVE.... to cite one example.
nah... actually back then, before 98% of the population were at the level cap and before everybody was powerleveling his 8th alt, you could get a group to any instance any time. And the best was they were people from your server, so you actually had some communication with your group and made friends.
That feature of doing dungeons between lvl 15-79 got completely lost and they fixed it with the crtoss server LFG tool. No way does it beat the vanilla wow instance grouping. doing dungeons nowadays is merely badge farming, no immersion sorry.
I'm looking for MMORPG equivalent of Demons Souls.
What i mean by that is something that is to WoW what Demons Souls is to Mass Effect.
It has to be equal or superior to WoW in polish, not content. I just can't go back to unrefined mechanics since I played WoW, I even have problems with some single player games because they aren't up to standards.
Do you think a time of mmo-abstinence would refresh my patience for "The Grind" and allow me to keep attention and at least minimum interest in other games?
I think the question you should be asking yourself is do you WANT to be "cured"? Sounds to me like the answer is no and if so, then no, I don't think a WoW abstinence will cure you, in fact I think just the opposite will happen. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Taking a break from WoW and trying to play some other games will only make you long for WoW even more.
I myself am sick to death of WoW and yet I still continue to play it from time to time. Why? Because there's no other MMO that I WANT to play now. I'll play WoW for a month or 2 pretty consistently and then I'll get bored and try something else for a month, but then I always end up back playing WoW again. I'm not desensitized, I'm conditioned. Once you feel that sugar high, nothing else will do.
Ey Pappy! Good to see you again, didn't see you here for a looong time. I to am taking a braking from WoW for a while, checking out some single player games and such...
I'm good, thanks Seth. Good to see a lot of the old timers still around. My company took away access to the forums so I kinda lost touch. Just recently they opened up access again and I figured I'd check out the forums again. Not much has changed it seems. Hopefully I'll be around till they shut off my access again. LOL
Wow......wowfan and zorndorf just ruined this thread.
OP, like everyone suggested, you should just take a break for a while. Play some single player games or something else non-rpg format. I had this problem too for a while, but it's a phase. At least it was for me, but it doesn't hurt to try.
Wowfan and Zorndorf, both of you are notorious for being in love with WoW. It's not the second coming of christ, so calm down.
Originally posted by Zorndorf Originally posted by Einherjar_LC It is not 10 miles further than the competiton, IMO...there is nothing groundbreaking about WoW that wasn't done before it came out. They just polished it up a little better than their predecessors. The problem is in the process of polishing it up, they removed much core design elements that made it's predecessors so enjoyable with their depth and immersion.
I tell you why it is light years ahead from the competition right NOW (not when you were playing it "back then"....). 24/7 on line PvP or PVE play in group or solo mode wherever you are, whenever, whatever you play. From level 10 to level 80... No other mmorpg comes even close in the blue. Meaning be level 37 and find a group to PvP with or dungeon crawl at 03.30 AM WITH or without experience gains in PVE.... to cite one example.
Judging by your join date and post count, it is safe to say that you like to contribute on these forums. Although I don't think the intentions are always just. I like the pretty colors and underlining you jam into ever post, but there is something you should know.
If you haven't figured it out by now, you're arguing on opinions and perceptions. It was his opinion on a game and how he perceived it effected him. You aren't forced into any style of game, or into liking it. Just like you aren't forced to to log in to this site and spew off in a rainbow of a forum post, about how WoW is justified to be the perfect match for all comers.
I really wonder why EA doesn't look into UO more deeply. Perhaps make it fully 3d, and figure out what was disliked and what was liked, and improve upon the game and re-release it. There are gamers out there that are hungry for a sandbox game so it would be a profitable venture if they get a good team on it. Anyways, after I quit WoW, I didn't touch an mmorpg for a few months myself. Played quite a lot of FPS games. Got back into mmorpgs later, and currently searching for a game that's able to keep me interested and eager to play.
they had a full 3D UO in the works with Tod Mcfarlane designing all the mobs the screen shots and few game play vids they let out made me freak out and i was ready to quit EQ i was playing at the time to jump in this awesome looking world. but you know why that game never seen the light of day >>??<< well EA did not want to release this game cause of the fear of killing the player base for there 2d UO mmo i don't remember the name they had for this 3d UO game but i am sure some one remembers this as well and might know the name
Think it was UXO, not really sure though tbh. Remember seeing these videos though and it looked very interesting. I had planned on trying it out myself, but alas it never made it.
EDIT: From wiki
Ultima X: Odyssey was a new MMORPG to be set in a world named Alucinor, created by the Avatar after the events of Ultima IX: Ascension. It was cancelled in 2004 when Electronic Arts closed Origin. The UXO team was invited to move to the Bay area to finish the game. However, only a small number of people on the UXO team accepted the transfer. In the end, UXO was cancelled because the development team dissolved.
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I think its time you moved on from the mmorpg and find the next big thing.
Mmo were amazing fun at first cause they gave never befor seen and even posible game play.
You been doing it for a long time now and .. i think part of the fun is doing somthing you never thought posible Online is one of the big reason the genre really was awsom.
What do you do when you have explored everything the genre has to offer???
Its a big world.
GL
Source? Or are you pulling crap out of your butt again.
OP, take an extended break from mmo's. Perhaps play some other online games or offline games. If you start to play some other mmos, you'll probably end up on the mmo merry-go-round (hoping from mmo to mmo trying to find one you can stick with).
Cross Server Dungeons in WoW is not the holy graal some people want to make it look like.
It DOES NOT connect people from all servers on a continent, but, it connect only poeple that play on the same "Battlegroup". Wich is a "small" group of servers.
Here is the European list www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/battlegroups.html
For example, the Ruin Battlegroup is a group of 7 servers, most of them PvP where its still very difficult to find people doing level up dungeons and even endgame ones on the dead times of the day. It takes sometimes over an hour to get a group, so, the improvement was little. It's easier, theres no need to type on chat and look for people, but the time had little improvement.
Its a good feature, but not the holy graal of mmo's
So you blame a game for .... very much doing everything right.
It "blanded your tastes", meaning you were spoiled by its game play and now your see the ugly truth: the competition is nowhere.
Pity: in the fantasy branche there's no competition which offers the same degree of "doing everything right'. (they lack ... money to do it).
Game over. Your pendulum goes from love/hate/love/hate. Even in ONE sentence. How could THAT be constructive ?
Please don't put out your individual emotions on a forum discussing game mechanics.
Basically what he is saying Zorn is that WoW is too easy, and he's right.
Now that he's pulled himself out of the abyss, he's having a hard time playing MMO's that have content that challenges you and engages you in the game world. After always having everything handed to you, you have a hard time adapting to an MMO world that is deep and immersive. Many other games are about the journey, where in WoW it's rush to end game and RAID RAID RAID. It's a mindset that has ruined this genre and I for one am glad to see developers starting to get away from it, even if it will take the masses a few years to unlearn the garbage that WoW has taught them.
OP, been there done that myself. I wondered around a few games and then eventually took a break from MMO's for awhile. Get away from the MMO scene and let your brain unlearn everything you became accustom to in WoW. After a brief period away from MMO's, go into your next one with absolutely zero expectations. You will experience the fun again as you play your new game based on it's merits rather than your previous experiences.
Good luck OP.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
I took a break from MMO's for about 6 months and have not missed em much at all.
Find some good single player or co op with your friends on something casual like borderlands. When you see a MMO that tickles your fancy then you will be rdy to give it a go and enjoy it alot more.
I know exactly what you are going through original poster.
While I really enjoyed the leveling in wow when I first started, the whole concept of completing little tasks for npcs to fill experience bars has really worn thin on me. Most new games I play get boring very fast, because it is a very thinly hidden grind via questing. The stories and immerision is usually very lacking to boot which makes playing the game more like a job than a doing something for entertainment.
What I do not associate with is the length of time being a factor. If the tasks, story and world are enjoyable I have no problem doing repetitive tasks nonstop. If those activities only feel like they are a necessary time sink to get to the real part of the game then it feels like a grind and I have no desire to play it.
A game should be fun while leveling, not some void that needs to be filled with lackluster gameplay. That is why so many games feel like a grind now. They try to emulate the wow leveling system which is the problem. Most cannot come close to offering as good an experience and most players have already done it so many times they would rather do anything else.
So you blame a game for .... very much doing everything right.
It "blanded your tastes", meaning you were spoiled by its game play and now your see the ugly truth: the competition is nowhere.
Pity: in the fantasy branche there's no competition which offers the same degree of "doing everything right'. (they lack ... money to do it).
Game over. Your pendulum goes from love/hate/love/hate. Even in ONE sentence. How could THAT be constructive ?
Please don't put out your individual emotions on a forum discussing game mechanics.
Basically what he is saying Zorn is that WoW is too easy, and he's right.
Now that he's pulled himself out of the abyss, he's having a hard time playing MMO's that have content that challenges you and engages you in the game world. After always having everything handed to you, you have a hard time adapting to an MMO world that is deep and immersive. Many other games are about the journey, where in WoW it's rush to end game and RAID RAID RAID. It's a mindset that has ruined this genre and I for one am glad to see developers starting to get away from it, even if it will take the masses a few years to unlearn the garbage that WoW has taught them.
OP, been there done that myself. I wondered around a few games and then eventually took a break from MMO's for awhile. Get away from the MMO scene and let your brain unlearn everything you became accustom to in WoW. After a brief period away from MMO's, go into your next one with absolutely zero expectations. You will experience the fun again as you play your new game based on it's merits rather than your previous experiences.
Good luck OP.
IF you would have had the COURAGE to read upon HOW experience gains in WOW can even be completely turned OFF and ON at will and play the game to what you WANT to level in, you wouldn't write such things as:
".... to unlearn the garbage that WOW has taught them".
This dear fellow, is an INSULT to the extreme polish and playing options in Blizzard's WOW, you don't even KNOW about.
So the OP explains that he levels too fast.
He doesn't even know that gaining experience is just an option to turn off or on at will these days....
He could level entirely on PvP and use the dungeons, quest and world kills to advance his gear/crafting/character.
It very much shows Blizzard is already 10 miles further than the competition who is stuck in 2003 ....
And yes ... the Dutch PC magazine in Nov 2009 made the statement about the "going back in time 6 years" by Aion and its terrible PVE quests....
Oh get off your high horse Zorn.
Despite what you say and think, you are not the only one that has played WoW or knows anything about it. And yeah, I would still write such things.
I played the game for two years and my opinion is that it is too easy, just like your OPINION is that it's the second coming of the MMO messiahs. Actually you pointing out the multiple ways to level proves my point that the game is getting even easier from start to finish. More options = easier.
Did I say the game was unfun? No.
Did I say it was poorly made? No.
Do I think WoW introducing the unwashed masses of new gamers to the raid grind as the status quo in MMO's was a mistake for the genre? Yes. (yes EQ1 had raids but the MMO genre was a niche at that time)
WoW is a fun game but it is easy. It is not 10 miles further than the competiton, IMO...there is nothing groundbreaking about WoW that wasn't done before it came out. They just polished it up a little better than their predecessors. The problem is in the process of polishing it up, they removed much core design elements that made it's predecessors so enjoyable with their depth and immersion.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
I must say that the OP is one of the finest and the most subtle trolls I've ever seen.
That's 9.5/10, dear OP. You have every right to be proud.
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
Dam I did that. I had quit WoW, and starter to force my self to play Guild Wars for fun (Since I didnt have a Console at that time[ and geek])
I felt like I was going crazy with the games I was trying to replace WoW with.
I was Ranting on WoW, because around that time, I had got Banned from the Forum, and Banned from the WoTLK Beta Forums (For ranting on the 2hour Cool Down change they made. I was the First Ranter on this, and got the BanHammer for it). And for this, I lost respect for Blizzard and WoW, since I was one of the main people giving them Ideas for WoW.
But during my Raged Period away from WoW, playing my "So Called" replacments, I went mad crazed at how many of these games are Lacking.
After playing Guild Wars most of this time (note: I had Guild Wars Faction long before I even started Playing Vanilla WoW) I began to realize how truely Polished and Great, WoW is.
Thats why I would suggest to anybody that is bored of WoW, to just step back and play other games. Because soon you will realise why WoW is so successful.
Anybody ever get that type of feeling when playing another MMORPG, and say to yourself, "Damn It Would Be Cool If (insert Game) Had (insert something WoW has) feature" ?
Guild Wars with Mounts and Persistant World------
RoM and GW with a 40 vs 40man(or larger) PvP Instanced Fight with Large Scale PvE elements (AV for those that dont understand)---------
Tanking Classes in GW----
if GW gave its classes More Weapon and Armor options like WoW does, and not just everything Class Oriented (which WoW also uses, but not 100% of the time)
If GW had a AH----
If GW had Crafting and gathering system like WoW, and not just Class Armor npc crafter------------
No Click to Move and NO Auto Follow Combat in GW--------------
Talent Tree/ Sub Class specs in GW and RoM----------------------
Sounds like you should have never quit WoW if you are trying to look for WoW in the other games.
Well from all the talk about there being too many Theme Park MMOs, and Too Many WoW clones on this forum,
I expected to at least run into something that could pull me away from WoW and replace it, like WoW did for its Cloned game, EQ's fan base.
but nothing comes close.
I even got interested in trying out Sandbox style games, but the only good Sandbox games are always PvP focused, with Crappy PvE, and Sci Fi focused. Thats a Turn off.
I dont Like FFA PvP. I like Faction based PvP. I want a game with Balanced EndGame between PvE and PvP, like WoW does. Not just one or the other.
What I realise is that there are no Sandbox games like that. They are always PvP focused. With some type of gimmic
I often reflect on how as much as I enjoy traditional MMO's, I find it hard to devote time to a game with obvious and intentional grinding. I've had the 'grind' discussion with a few real life friends and on gamer boards, and the conclusion is typically that a grind is only a grind when you arent enjoying yourself. I dont think there is anything both in life and in game that you CANT label as a grind because of its repetitive nature.
With that said, I have a feeling that if you lack direction in the game you are playing, it will feel dull and grindy. If you have little confidence that the time you spend in your early hours will pay off in your later days, you wont have the motivation to play.
Whether it is the game's fault for lack of innovation or your heightened experience with the genre from past games, the best advice handed out is to take a break all together. Play console games for a while. If youre the creative type, draw, paint or sculpt something. In that time spent, reflect on your own what you most enjoy from MMORPGs.
Well from all the talk about there being too many Theme Park MMOs, and Too Many WoW clones on this forum,
I expected to at least run into something that could pull me away from WoW and replace it, like WoW did for its Cloned game, EQ's fan base.
but nothing comes close.
I even got interested in trying out Sandbox style games, but the only good Sandbox games are always PvP focused, with Crappy PvE, and Sci Fi focused. Thats a Turn off.
I dont Like FFA PvP. I like Faction based PvP. I want a game with Balanced EndGame between PvE and PvP, like WoW does. Not just one or the other.
What I realise is that there are no Sandbox games like that. They are always PvP focused. With some type of gimmic
What you need is UO without all the suck of UO's present incarnation. A shame so many years later EA does not realize there are non-pvp players interested in sandbox MMO's.
Myself I lived in Fel, but I can certainly understand the appeal of a PVE centric sandbox.
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
I really wonder why EA doesn't look into UO more deeply. Perhaps make it fully 3d, and figure out what was disliked and what was liked, and improve upon the game and re-release it. There are gamers out there that are hungry for a sandbox game so it would be a profitable venture if they get a good team on it.
Anyways, after I quit WoW, I didn't touch an mmorpg for a few months myself. Played quite a lot of FPS games. Got back into mmorpgs later, and currently searching for a game that's able to keep me interested and eager to play.
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
~Lord George Gordon Byron
they had a full 3D UO in the works with Tod Mcfarlane designing all the mobs the screen shots and few game play vids they let out made me freak out and i was ready to quit EQ i was playing at the time to jump in this awesome looking world.
but you know why that game never seen the light of day >>??<< well EA did not want to release this game cause of the fear of killing the player base for there 2d UO mmo
i don't remember the name they had for this 3d UO game but i am sure some one remembers this as well and might know the name
Good grief... whoever made that decision must've been thinking small...
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
~Lord George Gordon Byron
Good grief... whoever made that decision must've been thinking small...
Agreed, amidst one of the many reasons they decided that they would not move the game past alpha: "Gamers don't want cartoony graphics."
A few months later Blizzard released World of Warcraft...
EDIT: Found the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_X:_Odyssey
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
I tell you why it is light years ahead from the competition right NOW (not when you were playing it "back then"....).
24/7 on line PvP or PVE play in group or solo mode wherever you are, whenever, whatever you play.
From level 10 to level 80...
No other mmorpg comes even close in the blue. Meaning be level 37 and find a group to PvP with or dungeon crawl at 03.30 AM WITH or without experience gains in PVE.... to cite one example.
nah... actually back then, before 98% of the population were at the level cap and before everybody was powerleveling his 8th alt, you could get a group to any instance any time. And the best was they were people from your server, so you actually had some communication with your group and made friends.
That feature of doing dungeons between lvl 15-79 got completely lost and they fixed it with the crtoss server LFG tool. No way does it beat the vanilla wow instance grouping. doing dungeons nowadays is merely badge farming, no immersion sorry.
I'm looking for MMORPG equivalent of Demons Souls.
What i mean by that is something that is to WoW what Demons Souls is to Mass Effect.
It has to be equal or superior to WoW in polish, not content. I just can't go back to unrefined mechanics since I played WoW, I even have problems with some single player games because they aren't up to standards.
I think the question you should be asking yourself is do you WANT to be "cured"? Sounds to me like the answer is no and if so, then no, I don't think a WoW abstinence will cure you, in fact I think just the opposite will happen. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Taking a break from WoW and trying to play some other games will only make you long for WoW even more.
I myself am sick to death of WoW and yet I still continue to play it from time to time. Why? Because there's no other MMO that I WANT to play now. I'll play WoW for a month or 2 pretty consistently and then I'll get bored and try something else for a month, but then I always end up back playing WoW again. I'm not desensitized, I'm conditioned. Once you feel that sugar high, nothing else will do.
Ey Pappy! Good to see you again, didn't see you here for a looong time. I to am taking a braking from WoW for a while, checking out some single player games and such...
How are you man?
I'm good, thanks Seth. Good to see a lot of the old timers still around. My company took away access to the forums so I kinda lost touch. Just recently they opened up access again and I figured I'd check out the forums again. Not much has changed it seems.
Hopefully I'll be around till they shut off my access again. LOL
Wow......wowfan and zorndorf just ruined this thread.
OP, like everyone suggested, you should just take a break for a while. Play some single player games or something else non-rpg format. I had this problem too for a while, but it's a phase. At least it was for me, but it doesn't hurt to try.
Wowfan and Zorndorf, both of you are notorious for being in love with WoW. It's not the second coming of christ, so calm down.
Everyone has opinions, but does that make them the universal truth??? NO!
I tell you why it is light years ahead from the competition right NOW (not when you were playing it "back then"....).
24/7 on line PvP or PVE play in group or solo mode wherever you are, whenever, whatever you play.
From level 10 to level 80...
No other mmorpg comes even close in the blue. Meaning be level 37 and find a group to PvP with or dungeon crawl at 03.30 AM WITH or without experience gains in PVE.... to cite one example.
Judging by your join date and post count, it is safe to say that you like to contribute on these forums. Although I don't think the intentions are always just. I like the pretty colors and underlining you jam into ever post, but there is something you should know.
If you haven't figured it out by now, you're arguing on opinions and perceptions. It was his opinion on a game and how he perceived it effected him. You aren't forced into any style of game, or into liking it. Just like you aren't forced to to log in to this site and spew off in a rainbow of a forum post, about how WoW is justified to be the perfect match for all comers.
remember, its all opinions and choices...
(Akiraosc)
Think it was UXO, not really sure though tbh. Remember seeing these videos though and it looked very interesting. I had planned on trying it out myself, but alas it never made it.
EDIT: From wiki
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