Do you "Support" Fallen Earth?

jiveturkey12

This is a very serious question I have for everyone on these forums, Do you "Support" Icarus Studio's new MMO, Fallen Earth?

Now, im sure your wondering "Well what do you mean by "Support?"

 

Do you help the game in any of the following ways:

Speak well of the developers intentions with the game?

Post about the game regularly to raise attention?

Own the game, and/or subscribe monthly?

Play a free-trial of the game?

Own a fan-based website or podcast for the game?

Write "Fallen Earth Rules!" on the bathroom walls at a local K-mart?

 

All of these things I mentioned could be either something simple or something elaborate, and these are just a few major examples. But now its time for the kicker,

 

I think your a horrible person, if you dont support Fallen Earth.

 

Why is that you ask? Why would I pass such a harsh judgement on people I dont know, just because they lack support for a game? Well its a very multilayered question, but right off the bat I can say because the games intentions deserves merit.

Whether or not you like the game, or dislike the game, I think the fact that they tried something new and innovative with MMO's, deserves its support from the MMO Community. Too often on this site do we hear people complaining about MMO's being too linear, or too similar to the rest of the crowd, "Clones" some games are called, while others are just "Plain Rip Off''s".

Then along comes a game that tries something different, it changes the day to day MMO setting, and gives the combat and the world a fresh new feel to it. The game has its bugs, and can be clunky at times, the graphics arent the best but they have a style to them. What Im trying to say is, the game isnt Perfect, but its got all the makings to be a great MMO.

But then, why doesnt everyone support it? Some our Bitter from past dissapointments, and dont want to wait for the game to get better, they have no patience. Others, simply just dont care enough to try and go out of their way, even for a moment, to help out the people behind the game, they dont have faces we can see or touch, they are just names on a forum, or words on a website. Theres no physical realm to help conjure the need, or the want to help these people in our minds.

 

Is this wrong? No. Its humanity, many today have no faith, because they only want to believe in science, something thats tangible or 100%, people dont like being unsure, and they dont like wasting their time.

But to me, I think Fallen Earth is worthy of Support, like it or dislike it. Just as much as I feel EvE online is, or any other game that tries something different. Look at EvE online and look at how much it has grown, that growth is because of the support is has gathered and warranted through out the years. Fallen Earth can reach there too, it can improve 100 fold if people are willing, just for a second to go out of their way to help out the developers. 

Does this mean you shouldnt speak badly of the game? Hell No, you can point out the games flaws and say you dont like it, this is an open forum, and theres nothing better than speaking your mind. But what should always be taken into account with any good rant, should be the people behind it, and what they are doing. Support the people, the developers, the fan site owners, the forum posters who care about where the game is going, that alone will help fix the problems with the game.

Because if your not supporting an indy developer that is trying something new and innovative, than who is there left to support? Every game deserves its chance, and when the will is there, I say give it a way.

 

So then I ask that same question one more time, "Do you Support Fallen Earth?"

 

 

GTwander

Wow, really? I like the game and all, but this is borderline fanatical.

Gameloading

I will not support a game just because it happens to be innovative. Innovation is great, but quality is more important.



I'd rather play a game that sticks to a proven formula but does it well than play a game that does something new but just isn't very fun to play.

Unknown

Fallen Earth forums that way <-----------------

 

And no I do not play FE but thought it was decent. Sorta fun but not worthy of purchase.

Irish

I purchased the game and subscribed for a couple of months. That however, is irrelevant to what I am going to say.

While intentions may deserve merit, implementation of said intentions deserves play. I respect small business and generally back the little guy, but if I am buying and spending on something that isn't pleasing me to a level I find suitable, I stop playing it.

"I supported Fallen Earth" would be my response. Not to say it's a turd of a game, but it ain't a glistening diamond either.

jiveturkey12

Originally posted by GTwander

Wow, really? I like the game and all, but this is borderline fanatical.

 

Originally posted by Gameloading

I will not support a game just because it happens to be innovative. Innovation is great, but quality is more important.

I'd rather play a game that sticks to a proven formula but does it well than play a game that does something new but just isn't very fun to play.

 

O yes, supporting a worthy cause is fanatical? I dont think im being overzealous in my post, im being blunt to stir the pot, just an obvious tactic to attract people to read the post. And im not saying everyone has to support every noble cause out there, I just feel that Fallen Earth has many elements in a game that people are looking for on this site. Just because it may not "Be there yet" for people, doesnt mean you shouldnt support it. Given time the game could very well be exactly what people want, but most just dont want to wait, they are either too impatient or too narrowminded.

 

Also Gameloading, I agree with you I would rather play something fun than something buggy and annoying. But on the flip side of that, every game doesnt start out perfect there is a long development process, some people seem to think that if a game is realeased and out of BETA, that its the full game.

An MMO is never complete, and just because a game on launch day isnt bug free or flawless, doesnt mean it should be thrown aside, and it doesnt mean it should garner no support. Fallen Earth deserves Support because the intention is there, and the innovations are there, and I will support the game, unless the game developers seem to stop caring, or development on the game comes to a stop. Because I believe they deserve the chance to continue on, and I dont need to pay money to support them.

Thats what I dont get, its just time that you have to waste supporting the game, or any game. If you really dont have time to, your busy, you only get to check on these forums for a few minutes, then I understand. But I just think its shallow when people complain about lack of Good MMO's and spend hours posting about how bad the genre is, when instead they could be supporting the games that are trying to change that.

 

 

jrs77

I was in closed and open beta, and sorry to say, but there's nothing innovative in FE tbfh.

 

It's the same f***ing grindfest as tons of other MMOs. I'd go as far and say that it's the same like WoW, just without dwarfs and elves and you can change factions, which just became possible in WoW aswell.

crunchyblack

I get what the OP is saying.

 

Non main-stream developer, not following lock step with the big studios dippin their paws into the wow honey jar.

 

The thing is, people always want something diffrent, untill they get it, and then all they want is what they had before.

But yes i support what FE is doing, not so much in the fanatical way the OP came off in, but i did pay for a box, and 2 months of game time.  I may or may not return depending on how their new content hashes out.

I think people should give FE a try, even if they dont expect the like it based on its look/theme. 

Gabby-air

IMO its pretty ironic how everyone bitches about there being no innovation and devs lacking imagination yet when a studio like icarus goes out of the way to do something people never mention it, im glad FE is doing good and how everything is shaping so the future for them is quite bright but really if you want devs to go out of there way atleast support them.

Comnitus

Sub-par products should not be given a kiss on the forehead and a bandaid when they have boo-boos just because they have "good intentions".

I'm not saying FE is sub-par. But it sounds like the OP would make the same post about, say, Darkfall, which attracts (most) people because of its gameplay mechanics, not its quality. Every company needs to be judged on its own merits and what it delivers. I don't care if it's an indie company or a billion-dollar corrupt megacorporation. If they deliver, they earn my respect. If not, they don't.

As a side note, I like how mounts remain in the game world where players leave them. I think all MMOs should do that.

Edit: I suppose I "support" the game because I like some things about it and I would speak well of the developers' intentions, though I don't think I'll try it yet. Perhaps when it has had time to improve a little.

Mithrandolir

I supported it with my purchase of the game, directly from the devs.

I then supported it again with a months sub fees after my free month.

That's all they will get from me, I wish them the best.

 

edit: ok, so I lied. a year later I am trying it again.

 

 

jiveturkey12

Originally posted by Comnitus


Sub-par products should not be given a kiss on the forehead and a bandaid when they have boo-boos just because they have "good intentions".
I'm not saying FE is sub-par. But it sounds like the OP would make the same post about, say, Darkfall, which attracts (most) people because of its gameplay mechanics, not its quality. Every company needs to be judged on its own merits and what it delivers. I don't care if it's an indie company or a billion-dollar corrupt megacorporation. If they deliver, they earn my respect. If not, they don't.
As a side note, I like how mounts remain in the game world where players leave them. I think all MMOs should do that.
Edit: I suppose I "support" the game because I like some things about it and I would speak well of the developers' intentions, though I don't think I'll try it yet. Perhaps when it has had time to improve a little.

 

I thank you for a very fleshed out and intelligent response. I do have to disagree with you about me supporting Darkfall. I would not blindly support anything, especially Darkfall which I akin to a "7 year long cock tease".

I began playing Fallen Earth, and It sparked something in me I havent seen or felt since Pre-NGE Galaxies. It was a real sense of adventure, and change. So I waited for a while, I collected my thoughts, and I felt this was the best way to get everyones attention. Because thats the thing, I only tried FE on a whim, a friend bought it on Steam and I said "What the hell?" and bought it.

 

The game isnt like Darkfall, they didnt advertise it, in your face for years, I barely knew anything about the title. But playing it, I knew from the moment I got into the open seamless world, that I wanted this game to improve.

Call it selfish of me, or call it blind faith, but I didnt want the game to suffer like SWG did. Everyone always said it was the complainers and the people who wanted the game to change that were the downfall of SWG. IT wasnt, it was people like me, who at the time, didnt care enough to support the game. "It had too many bugs"  I said, and walked away and let it die. I was selfish then, I was younger.

 

Now I see Fallen Earth just like I say PRE-NGE, not in gameplay but in potential and innovation, and I want it to get the support it deserves, so it can be the best game it can.

Gabby-air

Originally posted by Comnitus


Sub-par products should not be given a kiss on the forehead and a bandaid when they have boo-boos just because they have "good intentions".
I'm not saying FE is sub-par. But it sounds like the OP would make the same post about, say, Darkfall, which attracts (most) people because of its gameplay mechanics, not its quality. Every company needs to be judged on its own merits and what it delivers. I don't care if it's an indie company or a billion-dollar corrupt megacorporation. If they deliver, they earn my respect. If not, they don't.
As a side note, I like how mounts remain in the game world where players leave them. I think all MMOs should do that.
Edit: I suppose I "support" the game because I like some things about it and I would speak well of the developers' intentions, though I don't think I'll try it yet. Perhaps when it has had time to improve a little.

 

Ironic coming from an EVE player, no offense.

Broomy

I dont support something just because it claims to deviate from the same old norm.  I played FE in beta, played right after launch and leveled a character to S2, I left the game disappointed with many things about the game.  In my mind, I simply dont see that FE is so different from many other MMO's out there.  However, even if it was, I support things that are QUALITY, not simply because they claim to be different.  To ask that people support the idea FE is claiming to bring forth is silly IMO, lets of games claim to be different, other than being skill based, FE isnt. 

rabidabbey

I'm afraid I have to agree. I loved the game for a couple months (maybe 3), but now I just can't bring myself to login. I'm so utterly bored and a little tired of the bugginess. Still searching for the right game.......

Dolmong

I bought the game, and gone through the first month, and thats pretty much the support I will give them the most for now. 

I think you have a point about having faith with some of the MMOs, however, at least that MMO must be a finishing product first.

You use EVE-online for example, so I'll use that too.  The reason I think why EVE lacked at the beginning was the polishing of the gaming core itself, not the finishing!  When I first played EVE they gave me the impression they are very well implemented with graphics, animations, and designs, however is just the Gaming Core is a bit too steep.  However in this case Fallen Earth to me is an unfinishing product, with unfinishing graphics design and animations, as the whole package doesn't feel like a game should be out now.

I will not judge a game about their potential, since a lot of MMOs devs did take their games serious, lets say AoC they are bad but they showed us at least the sign of improving A LOT in the future, and the exposure of their development is pretty public.  However Fallen Earth wasn't this case.  (and yet I still haven't played a lot of AoC yet but I still get this impression from all the press and info they give out. so ..... is not bias.)

So, my point is, every games have potentials, but the first impression is really IMPORTANT !!!  If you come out with a finishing product that felt unfinished, no matter how you change your game core, you still get the tweeky awkward feeling when you playing it.  I hope the upcoming MMOs will not have the same problem as Fallen Earth.  ( I still admit that Fallen Earth has innovation ideas, and I do love those sandbox types games however even SWG first release felt more polished than FE)

Lansid

 I support Fallen Earth. I think they're taking steps in the right direction.

Wizardry

I supported them by buying the game,before there was any free trial.I was skeptical but because the dev team was sensible and mature and they really seemed like they were giving it an effort  i bought the game.

Unfortunately the game did not receive the kind of effort i demand for a game,it is not like Icarus failed below many other developers,it is just that i expected more and the game did not deliver.Even if a game fails in some areas it is ok,every game i have played has flaws,so it is expected,but FE failed me in certain areas that i enjoy the most from a game,so i had to delete it after about a week of struggling to login in everyday.

I was ok with the graphics and the huge open world i love,but pretty much everything else in the game design was either done on too small a scale or just not up to my standards.I really never put much thought into what they could have done to make combat better,but it is for them to be the creative ones not me,since they are trying to get me to play their game.The crafting ,yes i have many ways to improve it but hey,they have their game now and it would be pretty hard to improve to meet my standards unless they washed the whole game so ,it is what it is.

Even though i got not much from the game that i bought,i have no hard feeling towards Icarus studios,i just feel that it is my job to give my opinion on the games i try to support,so that maybe next time they make a better product or maybe other developers learn from other devs mistakes as well.

The key thing for ALL developers right now is to realize ,you will never again have 20 million new MMORPG gamers joining the market as WOW had to draw from,so you really need to put a lot of effort into your game if you hope it succeeds.Aion was just another mess of a game that got lucky ,highly marketed and hyped but definitely not much more than a very average product.

 

jiveturkey12

Originally posted by Broomy


I dont support something just because it claims to deviate from the same old norm.  I played FE in beta, played right after launch and leveled a character to S2, I left the game disappointed with many things about the game.  In my mind, I simply dont see that FE is so different from many other MMO's out there.  However, even if it was, I support things that are QUALITY, not simply because they claim to be different.  To ask that people support the idea FE is claiming to bring forth is silly IMO, lets of games claim to be different, other than being skill based, FE isnt. 

 

What about Third Person/First Person combat?

The post apocalyptic setting?

Having to Scavange for resoruces and make your own weapons, armors, food, etc.?

Having a mount from level 1 or 2?

Grouping up with people in dungeons at level 2?

Not advancing to level 10 in under an hour? 

Mounts staying in the world when you get off of them? 

Crafting improvised items, like a Lawn mower blade, or a golf club?

 

Seriously, Im just thinking of random things off the top of my head, but the game has alot more than just skill point based advancement that makes it different.

Torik

If I were to support things just based on 'good intentions'  I would be supporting communism.  In the end it is the implementation that matters.  If a game has great implementation I really do not care what their intentions were.

jiveturkey12

Originally posted by Torik


If I were to support things just based on 'good intentions'  I would be supporting communism.  In the end it is the implementation that matters.  If a game has great implementation I really do not care what their intentions were.

What if we replaced the word "Intention" with "Foundation"?

PyrateLV

Ive been playing since Beta. I support Icarus and FE. I think the game has a solid foundation and a great future.

Thorqemada

I like games like Fallout end gave FE a try in the Open Beta and i skipped it very fast bcs i am very much disliking FPS-control-besed MMORPGs - so it is of my radar forever.

I will never ever play an MMORPG with FPS-controls - i dislike Shooters (played Doom and it was great but i didnt like any of the later released Shooters) - its not my thing...

M1sf1t

The OP's post is known as a logical fallacy. To be exact its an appeal to emotion.

 

www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-emotion.html

Thillian

Originally posted by Torik


If I were to support things just based on 'good intentions'  I would be supporting communism.  In the end it is the implementation that matters.  If a game has great implementation I really do not care what their intentions were.

 

What?! Are you trying to say that communism has a good intention? You mean planned economy is a good intention? To control people how much they should consume is a good intention?

Thillian

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Torik


If I were to support things just based on 'good intentions'  I would be supporting communism.  In the end it is the implementation that matters.  If a game has great implementation I really do not care what their intentions were.

 

What?! Are you trying to say that communism has a good intention? You mean planned economy is a good intention? To control people how much they should consume is a good intention?

 

That's Socialism not Communism. A true Communist society has no central authority and decisions are made collectively. It relies on the fiction that people behave rationally and unselfishly.

Communism and planned economy are tied together. There was no communism regime without planned economy. Communism is against any sort of private property. Everything is being shared by the community (which indeed is absurd and impossible) hence, it always was about central government planning and owning everything.