Personally I have been playing eve online (on and off) for about 5 years,. yes I have played other games and yes I have taken breaks, but at the end of the day it is the only mmorpg I contiunally play and come back to, even years later. Eve started out simple and the devs , CCP, have never faltered from their original vision like some game companies have done.
This game may not have wow subs, but then again, this game doesnt attempt to cater to everyone. Eve does what its good at, and thats a player run world and player made stories/conflict AKA sandbox. The devs design the game and mechanics, but it is the players who shape the economical and political landscape of eve.
I look forward to many more years with this spectacular game.
And ... what is more honest and fair ...than people PAYING money to vote.
Really, they are two very different styles of games, but I think GoTY should also take into account how the game performed against itself in the previous year. If you sit there and say that the revenue leader is the best without any further consideration, then you are really tunnel-visioned and doing a disservice to the community. Now, you can point out a revenue increase for WoW between 2008-2009, but how much of that is due to game play and how much is a result of server transfer, faction change, rename, pets, etc? In other words, how much is new money from old customers? Should they be rewarded for this or should we look at improvements to game play versus last year?
Don't get me wrong, WoW is certainly still successful and I'm not proclaiming it's death. But, when you've set the bar fairly high, you must continue to live up to that standard...or else EvE is gonna sneak in and gank your GoTY award.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
And ... what is more honest and fair ...than people PAYING money to vote.
Really, they are two very different styles of games, but I think GoTY should also take into account how the game performed against itself in the previous year. If you sit there and say that the revenue leader is the best without any further consideration, then you are really tunnel-visioned and doing a disservice to the community. Now, you can point out a revenue increase for WoW between 2008-2009, but how much of that is due to game play and how much is a result of server transfer, faction change, rename, pets, etc? In other words, how much is new money from old customers? Should they be rewarded for this or should we look at improvements to game play versus last year?
Don't get me wrong, WoW is certainly still successful and I'm not proclaiming it's death. But, when you've set the bar fairly high, you must continue to live up to that standard...or else EvE is gonna sneak in and gank your GoTY award.
Those silly Croc shoes (the ones with holes in them) yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/beach_purple_lg.jpg were revenue leaders in the casual shoe industry for a year and a half. (Strange...but yea ) By Zorndorf's logic they should be "Shoe Of The Year" even though you look stupid wearing them.
Something definitely isn't right here... Money isn't everything. Even is something is shit, someone will buy it...Masses will buy it. What you have to test is the -Quality- of the game and how the entire world comes together...
Something Eve does as a whole better than most games I've played. It could be something else next year, who knows, but this year this game shone. Can't wait to see what game wins this year.
----> The long term problem of mmorpg.com is simply that they "promote" an industry but NOT the industry leader which PULLS the money and in fact enables - directly and indirectly - the pay checks in this industry. A VERY bad policy in the long run, just to please their 200-300 daily logged in public... But I guess the guys at mmorpg.com don't even realise it.
For a guy who doesn't post in forums outside of the WOW (your own words) you remain active in this one. Also, for someone who quotes numbers all the time you don't understand how many people are logged in at any one time. 200-300 is the number of members, look at how many "Guests" are here (1691 atm), so as you can see, lots of silent visitors to the site. (though not all view the forums I'm sure)
But that 's besides the point. You are just going to have to accept the fact that selling the most of something doesn't make it the best product out there. There are too many examples we've all beat to death showing how this is true in all walks of life, heck, the IPOD is a best selling phone, but it is not the best phone IMO, despite all its cool features.
EVE is a very well made game, you may not appreciate it, or even understand it, but the people who voted on this site do and for the purposes of this poll/site, its all that matters.
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I agree with Kyleran, EVE's one of the very few well done MMOs(which is an understatement in my eyes, but to say more would mean to upset a few fans of other games).
It was easy to predict that WoW wouldn't win it, but I'm glad MMORPG.com was realistic and didn't give it to another game.
If anyone from Blizzard actually sifts through these forums, I'm sure there are more than a few staffers there that have been caught unknowingly saying aloud "my god please somebody shut Zorndorf the hell up!"
The broken record is now fossilized Zorn.
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I must admit, i would have thought WoW would have won too, if only because so many people do play it. But i am glad Eve did, i've been playing since feb 2004, and i've seen a lot of changes over the years, the game has really evolved, player numbers appear to be consistently rising, now i often see over 54k people logged in when i log in.. and yes i do have a single active account not multiples... as some people seem to think everyone in Eve does. I think one of the best features of Eve is the fact that each new 'expansion' or upgrade perhaps, of Eve, is completely free.
The difference is that WOW is a PAID subscription based MMO and as such is the biggest money maker of all single video games in the complete history of video gaming (not even COD launches on cross platforms comes close). Around or over 1.2 billion dollars a year for these last 2 years alone. http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-09-63352 Page 36: WOW raised its income from 828 $ million to 939 $ million in the first 9 months of 2008 to the first 9 months of 2009. PAID subscriptions are just that: a monthly PAID vote for a game you want to play. So IF people had a chance to vote through the paid subscriptions they made, WOW would be winning the prices every year. And ... what is more honest and fair ...than people PAYING money to vote. It sure beats creating free accounts to put free zeros on a free website by a few hundred WOW haters. Also WOW hate is nowhere as popular as on this site. In fact oustide of this site, WOW hate hardly exists. Because the old grognards feel cheated because their old games 'died', so they want WOW to die. It won't happen, because WOW crossed the borders of mmorpg play a LONG long time ago. So these guys voted the one and only game that is out of the fantasy Lore which WOW pretty much dominates for 5 years now. ----> The long term problem of mmorpg.com is simply that they "promote" an industry but NOT the industry leader which PULLS the money and in fact enables - directly and indirectly - the pay checks in this industry. A VERY bad policy in the long run, just to please their 200-300 daily logged in public... But I guess the guys at mmorpg.com don't even realise it.
Walmart has the largest market share, thus the most customers, making it the best supermarket. Grow up and realise that numbers mean nothing.
First of all EVE has the most powerful (gaming) servers (it's one large supercomputer) on the planet because if you tried to shove more than a shard of people in one of WoW's nodes the server would come crashing down. CCP have innovations and technology Blizzard will never introduce because they just don't care and as long as they have people like you blindly defending their aweful practices they won't have to do anything about it.
Another reason why WoW doesn't deserve to win is because Blizzard don't care about its customers. WoW is so immensely imabalanced it's ridiculous but ignore that with your fanboyism. One of EVE's greatest successes is that they take player feedback into concideration. Motherships and Titans have been changed after years of review and consultation. Please tell me when Blizz have ever done that, other than to make cloth wearers obsolete (Priests, Warlocks and Wizards), especially in PVP and ignore the calls of people who have been telling them that certain classes (rogues) are OP.
It is just that hard to put 5 games into a competition that can actually compete with each other.
That is why I think that the "best of" awards that is specific to the genre isn't viable. There just are not enough games that are award worthy in the industry to fill up a list that even looks remotely competitive. Just look at some of the "list: top 10 mmo" articles on this site and look at the nominees.
In one list, Vanguard made the top ten, because "it survived", "performance was less of a burden" and "became a decent title". A game that lost 80% of its subscribers in 5 months and the company running the game went bankrupt has no business making a top 10 best list and the article completely omits anything related to sigil.
Eve is a good game. It is what very few other games are and this makes it unique. I like it a lot.
But it is also a bad one and so I hate it almost as much as I like it. Over the last 18 months great improvements have been made. However it still lacks in many ways since its creation over six years ago. It could be improved in so many ways but has not. Instead CCP takes on new projects rather than giving EVE finishing work it should have. One small example is the absence of an 'afk' flag in EVE. A basic thing which is found in almost all games of this genre even as far back as text based muds.
The game has vastly complex rules and complex exceptions to rules and exceptions to the exceptions. Perhaps it is to complex to be called a game.
Also be aware that advertisements represent EVE in ways which are false or rarely seen in game. If you want to really get a feel for EVE do the trial account and brace yourself for the inhuman cold of space, chaos of the client windows and ever present rightclick menus. (I've worn out 2 mice just from playing EVE.)
Eve is a good game. It is what very few other games are and this makes it unique. I like it a lot.
But it is also a bad one and so I hate it almost as much as I like it. Over the last 18 months great improvements have been made. However it still lacks in many ways since its creation over six years ago. It could be improved in so many ways but has not. Instead CCP takes on new projects rather than giving EVE finishing work it should have. One small example is the absence of an 'afk' flag in EVE. A basic thing which is found in almost all games of this genre even as far back as text based muds.
The game has vastly complex rules and complex exceptions to rules and exceptions to the exceptions. Perhaps it is to complex to be called a game.
Also be aware that advertisements represent EVE in ways which are false or rarely seen in game. If you want to really get a feel for EVE do the trial account and brace yourself for the inhuman cold of space, chaos of the client windows and ever present rightclick menus. (I've worn out 2 mice just from playing EVE.)
Oh dear god. An AFK Flag is NOT something you want in Eve. You would be nailed so hard if you AFK flagged in space and was carrying something of above normal value.
But yea. In Eve. When in doubt. Right click. If it doesn't solve it.. Right click some more.
Originally posted by Crystaf Over the last 18 months great improvements have been made. However it still lacks in many ways since its creation over six years ago. It could be improved in so many ways but has not. Instead CCP takes on new projects rather than giving EVE finishing work it should have. One small example is the absence of an 'afk' flag in EVE. A basic thing which is found in almost all games of this genre even as far back as text based muds.
Oh dear god. An AFK Flag is NOT something you want in Eve. You would be nailed so hard if you AFK flagged in space and was carrying something of above normal value.
But this is an interesting point. Many players say features have been lacking / bugs unfixed for years, but Crystaf cites "the absence of an 'afk' flag". Clearly you (and most players) would consider this an unwanted feature. Perhaps most of the things players say are "broken" in EVE are really just things they personally don't like, even if others do?
I've long decided to leave this forum and MMOs in general (with the exception of Eve).
The forum has become no longer a challenge to make WoW fanbois cry and its clear Eve will be the only MMO worth playing for any extended amount of time. I'm happy to be gone.
Now The reason I make this one final post on this new account is to say Gratz to CCP and Eve and its nice to see the WoW fanbois like Zorn squirm.
Eve is easily the greatest MMO to release since Pre-trammel UO and I'm glad ir showed again to be simply the best mmo out today.
Look to Eve online in 2010 for another game of the year honor.
Peace people
Oh and to the WoW tards... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The difference is that WOW is a PAID subscription based MMO and as such is the biggest money maker of all single video games in the complete history of video gaming (not even COD launches on cross platforms comes close). Around or over 1.2 billion dollars a year for these last 2 years alone. http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-09-63352 Page 36: WOW raised its income from 828 $ million to 939 $ million in the first 9 months of 2008 to the first 9 months of 2009. PAID subscriptions are just that: a monthly PAID vote for a game you want to play. So IF people had a chance to vote through the paid subscriptions they made, WOW would be winning the prices every year. And ... what is more honest and fair ...than people PAYING money to vote. It sure beats creating free accounts to put free zeros on a free website by a few hundred WOW haters. Also WOW hate is nowhere as popular as on this site. In fact oustide of this site, WOW hate hardly exists. Because the old grognards feel cheated because their old games 'died', so they want WOW to die. It won't happen, because WOW crossed the borders of mmorpg play a LONG long time ago. So these guys voted the one and only game that is out of the fantasy Lore which WOW pretty much dominates for 5 years now. ----> The long term problem of mmorpg.com is simply that they "promote" an industry but NOT the industry leader which PULLS the money and in fact enables - directly and indirectly - the pay checks in this industry. A VERY bad policy in the long run, just to please their 200-300 daily logged in public... But I guess the guys at mmorpg.com don't even realise it.
So by your logic McDonald's should win 5 star dining awards because they have more paying customers.
Seriously -- they aren't talking about a quantitative measure but a qualitative measure. Quality is subjective whereas quantity is easily measured. As such, there is no argument that the quantity of players in WoW is higher than any other MMO but that was not what they used to explain their choice for the quality award.
EVE would not make my top 10,lucky if it made it into my top 20,it fails in every single aspect of the design.EVERY single piece of the game design was done CHEAP. This game is male dominated as a female would not touch it with a ten foot pole,CCP has already acknowledged this as FACT,so don't even try to argue it.They claim they are going to try and remedy the problem,but it is impossible..why? The game is nothing more than a POLITICAL game,how that equals fun in anyone's mind is beyond me.I know their is a NICHE crowd for anything and everything and this is 100% a NICHE game. This NICHE crowd however should NOT confuse that with EVE being a top notch game.I am not stupid i have seen in the past from another poll MMORPG was mentioning CCP games as future great games and leaving out Schilling's game, i was like HUH say what?I knew then and there ,that there is 100% some real bias here towards CCP.As a matter of fact i believe they had FFXIV rated far below the two CCP games if it was in the list at all,i can't really remember .,just sad to be that biased. However no matter, a game that caters to only 50% of the demographic,can NEVER be targeted as a TOP game let alone as the BEST of ...it is laughable to see how biased that choice is,i am not happy of the choice at all.No i am not going to lose any sleep over it ,i cannot stand WOW,but you know what i would not be surprised at all if WOW was number 1,i could even accept it,because it DOES cater to a MUCH larger demographic,but EVE?? i was totally shocked.
Kinda late in catching up with this thread, I admit...
That said...
Wizardry... Try decaf.
Just sayin'.
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To late into to thread to understand everthing. but I laughed at the Niche comment, EVE is among the largest MMO's in Europe/US, Not many who top 300k subscribers. If that is a Niche then I guess being a Niche game is a great place to be.
This old warhorse of a MMO keeps charging and it is good to see that something not point and click fantasy won the award. "And a classic Questin that Amazing Avery asked was about the impression that you will be years behind vets and cant catch up?" You mean players that have played for a month can't be as well set up as a player who has played for two years? Oh the injustice, oh the indignity.
Sad thing is, that's exactly how those people see it... an injustice or "poor design".
You play golf 1 day a week. Your friend plays 5 days a week... All else being equal, who's likely to be the better player? Is it unfair that your friend is better? Nope... they had more practice. Should they handicap their game to make it more "fair"? Nope... unless they want to.
You play Pac Man 2 hours a day, 3 days a week. Your friend plays it 3 hours a day 4 days a week... All else being equal, who's likely to be the better player? Is it unfair that your friend is? Nope... they had more time and practice to improve. Should they handicap their game by, say, not getting any blue ghosts for extra points, to make it more "fair". Nope, unless they want to, to make it more interesting for themselves.
You play Eve Online and just started. Your friend has been playing for 3 months. You've both been training at the rate the game allows you to with its real-time training. All else being equal... Who's going to have more skill points, you or your friend? Your friend, of course.
But with Eve, there's an equalizer... Let's say you have 2 million SPs total, and they're almost all into a specific ship with a specific build-out. Your friend has 20 million SPs total, and has the same amount invested into the same ship and build-out. Guess what? Build for build, you're equal. The other 18 million SP your friend is sitting on give him absolutely no advantage while he's in that particular ship with that particular build-out.
At that point, it comes back to... all else being equal, the person with more time and experience playing Eve is likely to be the better player because they've had more time to learn and master their maneuvers, strategies, etc.
Is that unfair? Nope. It's called real life. They put in their time and effort to get there, so can you (you in general). You do not deserve a short-cut or an easier ride because you started later than they did, or don't have as much time to play as they do.
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To late into to thread to understand everthing. but I laughed at the Niche comment, EVE is among the largest MMO's in Europe/US, Not many who top 300k subscribers. If that is a Niche then I guess being a Niche game is a great place to be.
By Definition, this "Niche" Is referring to the Empire building, PVP, Sci-Fi Genre. Not the amount of people or wide spread it is.
eve online is a great game by all means...hell i have 2 accounts on it that are active.....BUT damn it seems that this game of the year shyt is rigged...seems the people at mmorpg.com are Sci Fi nerds and seems they are eve fanatics as well.....but wtf...2009 was a disappointing year for games so....might as well let an old ass game win it....since it is better than all the stuff that was released this year. But still...if eve online wins in 2010 then i know that eve online will win no matter what games are out
It is great game. But Dominion sucks, everyone in 0.0 know that, lag monster is back and we cant do anything about that. Rienforced node can't handle 600 players, I dont know when will we agan reach more then 1400 players in fight. So lame But I like eve and I will not stop playing it
1400 players compared to 16, is great no matter how you look at it.
Grats EVE, defintely deserves the title. Oh, guess what I play something else, I guess I didn't get the memo I'm supposed to be pissed.
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Sadly I've never seen worse community. All you have to do see how EvE players act all knowing with their opinions of other games. It's a geeky game for sure, because of that.
The difference is that WOW is a PAID subscription based MMO and as such is the biggest money maker of all single video games in the complete history of video gaming (not even COD launches on cross platforms comes close). Around or over 1.2 billion dollars a year for these last 2 years alone. http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-09-63352 Page 36: WOW raised its income from 828 $ million to 939 $ million in the first 9 months of 2008 to the first 9 months of 2009. PAID subscriptions are just that: a monthly PAID vote for a game you want to play. So IF people had a chance to vote through the paid subscriptions they made, WOW would be winning the prices every year. And ... what is more honest and fair ...than people PAYING money to vote. It sure beats creating free accounts to put free zeros on a free website by a few hundred WOW haters. Also WOW hate is nowhere as popular as on this site. In fact oustide of this site, WOW hate hardly exists. Because the old grognards feel cheated because their old games 'died', so they want WOW to die. It won't happen, because WOW crossed the borders of mmorpg play a LONG long time ago. So these guys voted the one and only game that is out of the fantasy Lore which WOW pretty much dominates for 5 years now. ----> The long term problem of mmorpg.com is simply that they "promote" an industry but NOT the industry leader which PULLS the money and in fact enables - directly and indirectly - the pay checks in this industry. A VERY bad policy in the long run, just to please their 200-300 daily logged in public... But I guess the guys at mmorpg.com don't even realise it.
Wow man! Exactly my thoughts. Agree with you o/
Sadly they will ignore the truth and continue doing it ;-/
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It is great game. But Dominion sucks, everyone in 0.0 know that, lag monster is back and we cant do anything about that. Rienforced node can't handle 600 players, I dont know when will we agan reach more then 1400 players in fight. So lame But I like eve and I will not stop playing it
1400 players compared to 16, is great no matter how you look at it.
Grats EVE, defintely deserves the title. Oh, guess what I play something else, I guess I didn't get the memo I'm supposed to be pissed.
That is the great thing, CCP managed to get 1400 people fights, Dominion did mess that up a bit. But the pure epicness of it being achievable.
Everyone in Iceland laughed when CCP stated in 2000 that they wanted to have 100k users logged into the same world/server, they are half way there with 50k logged on during the weekends.
WOW has a server population of around 9k to 20k people with characters on the server, online population is around 3k per server. Nothing Massive about that.
WOW has multiplayer interaction capped at 40 (raid size) and many Instances are capped at 25 players. That means that multiplayer interaction within this game is capped at the same size as a regular FPS server (Counterstrike etc). Nothing Massive about that.
The only thing Massive about WOW is the sheer number of people playing it, but that is just the norm for Blizzard as they do make good products that attract people and that is fantastic.
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Congrats eve, this is well deserved.
Personally I have been playing eve online (on and off) for about 5 years,. yes I have played other games and yes I have taken breaks, but at the end of the day it is the only mmorpg I contiunally play and come back to, even years later. Eve started out simple and the devs , CCP, have never faltered from their original vision like some game companies have done.
This game may not have wow subs, but then again, this game doesnt attempt to cater to everyone. Eve does what its good at, and thats a player run world and player made stories/conflict AKA sandbox. The devs design the game and mechanics, but it is the players who shape the economical and political landscape of eve.
I look forward to many more years with this spectacular game.
Really, they are two very different styles of games, but I think GoTY should also take into account how the game performed against itself in the previous year. If you sit there and say that the revenue leader is the best without any further consideration, then you are really tunnel-visioned and doing a disservice to the community. Now, you can point out a revenue increase for WoW between 2008-2009, but how much of that is due to game play and how much is a result of server transfer, faction change, rename, pets, etc? In other words, how much is new money from old customers? Should they be rewarded for this or should we look at improvements to game play versus last year?
Don't get me wrong, WoW is certainly still successful and I'm not proclaiming it's death. But, when you've set the bar fairly high, you must continue to live up to that standard...or else EvE is gonna sneak in and gank your GoTY award.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Really, they are two very different styles of games, but I think GoTY should also take into account how the game performed against itself in the previous year. If you sit there and say that the revenue leader is the best without any further consideration, then you are really tunnel-visioned and doing a disservice to the community. Now, you can point out a revenue increase for WoW between 2008-2009, but how much of that is due to game play and how much is a result of server transfer, faction change, rename, pets, etc? In other words, how much is new money from old customers? Should they be rewarded for this or should we look at improvements to game play versus last year?
Don't get me wrong, WoW is certainly still successful and I'm not proclaiming it's death. But, when you've set the bar fairly high, you must continue to live up to that standard...or else EvE is gonna sneak in and gank your GoTY award.
Those silly Croc shoes (the ones with holes in them) yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/beach_purple_lg.jpg were revenue leaders in the casual shoe industry for a year and a half. (Strange...but yea
) By Zorndorf's logic they should be "Shoe Of The Year" even though you look stupid wearing them.
Something definitely isn't right here... Money isn't everything. Even is something is shit, someone will buy it...Masses will buy it. What you have to test is the -Quality- of the game and how the entire world comes together...
Something Eve does as a whole better than most games I've played. It could be something else next year, who knows, but this year this game shone. Can't wait to see what game wins this year.
Sidenote: Silly Silly Conspiracy theorists.
For a guy who doesn't post in forums outside of the WOW (your own words) you remain active in this one. Also, for someone who quotes numbers all the time you don't understand how many people are logged in at any one time. 200-300 is the number of members, look at how many "Guests" are here (1691 atm), so as you can see, lots of silent visitors to the site. (though not all view the forums I'm sure)
But that 's besides the point. You are just going to have to accept the fact that selling the most of something doesn't make it the best product out there. There are too many examples we've all beat to death showing how this is true in all walks of life, heck, the IPOD is a best selling phone, but it is not the best phone IMO, despite all its cool features.
EVE is a very well made game, you may not appreciate it, or even understand it, but the people who voted on this site do and for the purposes of this poll/site, its all that matters.
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I agree with Kyleran, EVE's one of the very few well done MMOs(which is an understatement in my eyes, but to say more would mean to upset a few fans of other games).
It was easy to predict that WoW wouldn't win it, but I'm glad MMORPG.com was realistic and didn't give it to another game.
If anyone from Blizzard actually sifts through these forums, I'm sure there are more than a few staffers there that have been caught unknowingly saying aloud "my god please somebody shut Zorndorf the hell up!"
The broken record is now fossilized Zorn.
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I must admit, i would have thought WoW would have won too, if only because so many people do play it. But i am glad Eve did, i've been playing since feb 2004, and i've seen a lot of changes over the years, the game has really evolved, player numbers appear to be consistently rising, now i often see over 54k people logged in when i log in.. and yes i do have a single active account not multiples... as some people seem to think everyone in Eve does. I think one of the best features of Eve is the fact that each new 'expansion' or upgrade perhaps, of Eve, is completely free.
Walmart has the largest market share, thus the most customers, making it the best supermarket. Grow up and realise that numbers mean nothing.
First of all EVE has the most powerful (gaming) servers (it's one large supercomputer) on the planet because if you tried to shove more than a shard of people in one of WoW's nodes the server would come crashing down. CCP have innovations and technology Blizzard will never introduce because they just don't care and as long as they have people like you blindly defending their aweful practices they won't have to do anything about it.
Another reason why WoW doesn't deserve to win is because Blizzard don't care about its customers. WoW is so immensely imabalanced it's ridiculous but ignore that with your fanboyism. One of EVE's greatest successes is that they take player feedback into concideration. Motherships and Titans have been changed after years of review and consultation. Please tell me when Blizz have ever done that, other than to make cloth wearers obsolete (Priests, Warlocks and Wizards), especially in PVP and ignore the calls of people who have been telling them that certain classes (rogues) are OP.
Why the hell is AION on this list even?
It is just that hard to put 5 games into a competition that can actually compete with each other.
That is why I think that the "best of" awards that is specific to the genre isn't viable. There just are not enough games that are award worthy in the industry to fill up a list that even looks remotely competitive. Just look at some of the "list: top 10 mmo" articles on this site and look at the nominees.
In one list, Vanguard made the top ten, because "it survived", "performance was less of a burden" and "became a decent title". A game that lost 80% of its subscribers in 5 months and the company running the game went bankrupt has no business making a top 10 best list and the article completely omits anything related to sigil.
But it is also a bad one and so I hate it almost as much as I like it. Over the last 18 months great improvements have been made. However it still lacks in many ways since its creation over six years ago. It could be improved in so many ways but has not. Instead CCP takes on new projects rather than giving EVE finishing work it should have. One small example is the absence of an 'afk' flag in EVE. A basic thing which is found in almost all games of this genre even as far back as text based muds.
The game has vastly complex rules and complex exceptions to rules and exceptions to the exceptions. Perhaps it is to complex to be called a game.
Also be aware that advertisements represent EVE in ways which are false or rarely seen in game. If you want to really get a feel for EVE do the trial account and brace yourself for the inhuman cold of space, chaos of the client windows and ever present rightclick menus. (I've worn out 2 mice just from playing EVE.)
Oh dear god. An AFK Flag is NOT something you want in Eve. You would be nailed so hard if you AFK flagged in space and was carrying something of above normal value.
But yea. In Eve. When in doubt. Right click. If it doesn't solve it.. Right click some more.
I've long decided to leave this forum and MMOs in general (with the exception of Eve).
The forum has become no longer a challenge to make WoW fanbois cry and its clear Eve will be the only MMO worth playing for any extended amount of time. I'm happy to be gone.
Now The reason I make this one final post on this new account is to say Gratz to CCP and Eve and its nice to see the WoW fanbois like Zorn squirm.
Eve is easily the greatest MMO to release since Pre-trammel UO and I'm glad ir showed again to be simply the best mmo out today.
Look to Eve online in 2010 for another game of the year honor.
Peace people
Oh and to the WoW tards... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So by your logic McDonald's should win 5 star dining awards because they have more paying customers.
Seriously -- they aren't talking about a quantitative measure but a qualitative measure. Quality is subjective whereas quantity is easily measured. As such, there is no argument that the quantity of players in WoW is higher than any other MMO but that was not what they used to explain their choice for the quality award.
Kinda late in catching up with this thread, I admit...
That said...
Wizardry... Try decaf.
Just sayin'.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
To late into to thread to understand everthing. but I laughed at the Niche comment, EVE is among the largest MMO's in Europe/US, Not many who top 300k subscribers. If that is a Niche then I guess being a Niche game is a great place to be.
Sad thing is, that's exactly how those people see it... an injustice or "poor design".
You play golf 1 day a week. Your friend plays 5 days a week... All else being equal, who's likely to be the better player? Is it unfair that your friend is better? Nope... they had more practice. Should they handicap their game to make it more "fair"? Nope... unless they want to.
You play Pac Man 2 hours a day, 3 days a week. Your friend plays it 3 hours a day 4 days a week... All else being equal, who's likely to be the better player? Is it unfair that your friend is? Nope... they had more time and practice to improve. Should they handicap their game by, say, not getting any blue ghosts for extra points, to make it more "fair". Nope, unless they want to, to make it more interesting for themselves.
You play Eve Online and just started. Your friend has been playing for 3 months. You've both been training at the rate the game allows you to with its real-time training. All else being equal... Who's going to have more skill points, you or your friend? Your friend, of course.
But with Eve, there's an equalizer... Let's say you have 2 million SPs total, and they're almost all into a specific ship with a specific build-out. Your friend has 20 million SPs total, and has the same amount invested into the same ship and build-out. Guess what? Build for build, you're equal. The other 18 million SP your friend is sitting on give him absolutely no advantage while he's in that particular ship with that particular build-out.
At that point, it comes back to... all else being equal, the person with more time and experience playing Eve is likely to be the better player because they've had more time to learn and master their maneuvers, strategies, etc.
Is that unfair? Nope. It's called real life. They put in their time and effort to get there, so can you (you in general). You do not deserve a short-cut or an easier ride because you started later than they did, or don't have as much time to play as they do.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
By Definition, this "Niche" Is referring to the Empire building, PVP, Sci-Fi Genre. Not the amount of people or wide spread it is.
eve online is a great game by all means...hell i have 2 accounts on it that are active.....BUT damn it seems that this game of the year shyt is rigged...seems the people at mmorpg.com are Sci Fi nerds and seems they are eve fanatics as well.....but wtf...2009 was a disappointing year for games so....might as well let an old ass game win it....since it is better than all the stuff that was released this year. But still...if eve online wins in 2010 then i know that eve online will win no matter what games are out
1400 players compared to 16, is great no matter how you look at it.
Grats EVE, defintely deserves the title. Oh, guess what I play something else, I guess I didn't get the memo I'm supposed to be pissed.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Good game. Very much deserving of the title.
Sadly I've never seen worse community. All you have to do see how EvE players act all knowing with their opinions of other games. It's a geeky game for sure, because of that.
Wow man! Exactly my thoughts. Agree with you o/
Sadly they will ignore the truth and continue doing it ;-/
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1400 players compared to 16, is great no matter how you look at it.
Grats EVE, defintely deserves the title. Oh, guess what I play something else, I guess I didn't get the memo I'm supposed to be pissed.
That is the great thing, CCP managed to get 1400 people fights, Dominion did mess that up a bit. But the pure epicness of it being achievable.
Everyone in Iceland laughed when CCP stated in 2000 that they wanted to have 100k users logged into the same world/server, they are half way there with 50k logged on during the weekends.
Oh, and to you WOW people.
WOW being Massive Multiplayer is a myth.
WOW has a server population of around 9k to 20k people with characters on the server, online population is around 3k per server. Nothing Massive about that.
WOW has multiplayer interaction capped at 40 (raid size) and many Instances are capped at 25 players. That means that multiplayer interaction within this game is capped at the same size as a regular FPS server (Counterstrike etc). Nothing Massive about that.
The only thing Massive about WOW is the sheer number of people playing it, but that is just the norm for Blizzard as they do make good products that attract people and that is fantastic.