Their game, their community, their rules. I dislike so-called reputation systems with a passion, and I'd like nothing more than to join you in your nerdrage fit, but alas, I have to agree with whoever said "big deal".
I've got to say that as convenient as forums are, most communication goes on either through other mediums or through mailing and chat systems in-game...
...you guys are getting overworked about it all...
,,, The administrators are cracking jokes with the forum posters that they are ranking up to administrate the forum for them because they are suckups. I am sorry to say that I am unhappy I ever purchased a product from this company. It is openly mocking it's customer sand not taking them seriously. As a lifetime sub I can't really cancel - no point either way but I would like the world to know that the Turbine that you may think is one thing... is this thing that you can see displayed. ...
I'm also a LOTRO founder... their forums have always been a popularity contest. I stopped reading and posting in their forums about a year ago when it was apparent that your post would either be ignored, disparaged, or flamed (my god, the thinnest skinned people in the world are in the LOTRO forums... how they purposely and actively miscontrue the foulest insults from the written equivalent to kitten farts I'll never know) if you were not one of a select few forum lounge lizards that were always... ALWAYS posting some silliness that had next to nothing to do with LOTRO.
I supposed at the time they were all members of one or more of the larger guilds and the forums was their equivalent of a Jr. High School cliche hangout, but I don't know that. They had some kind of connection because their threads would burst like a fungal bloom with them each feeding the thread with the least amount of character responses as possible.
To the forum moderators' credit... I guess, they were lightning quick to delete anything controversial including the barest whisper of something that might be construed as political, sexual, and/or demeaning to religion. Their hand was heavy, but they seemed fair... both sides of the cheek got whacked if it didn't meet their stringent decorum. So much so that the forums actually became rather bloated with nonsense and ennui... nothing really interesting.
I still play LOTRO off and on, but have given up on posting any kind of feedback or suggestions that might make their game more fun.
haha I think this is the most stupid topic I have ever seen on this forum. This kind of rep-system have been on the DDO forum for a long time without any big problems. A rep system on this forum wouldnt be a bad idea
What are the little stars underneath people's name here? These stars seems to wax and wane and don't seem to parallel the number of posts people have... I thought that this was some kind of rep system.
As far as I can tell the stars are a reflection of how often you post. Mine goes down some if I go a week without posting much.
Also having a post reported and acted on by a moderator I believe knocks it down. But overall it seems to just be how often you post without being moderated and that is it. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think the only people afraid of a police each other rep system, are the same people who flame other users and say everything sucks or is wrong. They are the same people who get moderated by and admin for swearing or attacking and truly don't get why they are being moderated.
If you post without attacking/flaming/cursing I doubt you will ever even notice the system. But some people don't have that capability they just have to attack other posters or developers.
oh... makes sense. thanks for the explanation.
An easier explaination is that the star rating system is broken and even the admins can't agree on what it's for half the time.
Originally posted by Sovrath Sometimes people don't like to do things that are easy. They create issues and road blocks so that they will have something to apply themselves to. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. The gentleman up top who indicted that this was how the DDO forums have been says that no one will die (in so many words) so I am inclined to believe that "no one will die".
It's an issue of feedback. Do they want you to say what makes them happy to hear or what they should hear if it could improve the game? That's the rock and hard place about posting in a system where fanboi peers can rate you and the administrators will back them up because they put them in that place. Noone asked for this change before they took our money and it was never part of the original agreement so discussing it instead of running away when it gets hard is natural. They are changing the rules after they have their cash and that is where they instigate the reactions.
One I've been following the LOTRO forums since launch and was part of closed beta. Doesn't give me any more weight than anyone else but i say that because I am familiar with the LOTRO forums.
One of the things I've seen throughout the years, whether it be lotro forums or these or others is that someone makes a post indicating that they had a post of theirs (or some other person) deleted because they had said something negative about the game but that there was nothing wrong with the post other than it was negative.
Ok, great, that is serious. But then the post comes to light and it's dismissive, rude, falls outside of the code of conduct for the forum and is essentially "not" a good post.
I don't think that the devs/cm's at Turbine mind negative comments if they are constructive. Where the issue is, is that constant aggressive complaints and complaints that attack another's character or make wide and baseless accusations need to be addressed.
I relize that forums can be a bit passionate about what posters believe but it does get out of hand.
Now, if someone were to say in a calm but constructive tone that they saw issues with the game and then they were to be banned or given a scarlet "A" then I could see there being a problem. But until I see such a thing I will have to give a "wait and see" to see if this is really an issue.
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OP lotro forums use vbulletin do you see who rated you and do you see a comment for the rate ? if is anonymous cant be tracked by admin so make next: if you want to get your rate UP join a group of 10 ppl and start giving each other +rep all the time
,,, The administrators are cracking jokes with the forum posters that they are ranking up to administrate the forum for them because they are suckups. I am sorry to say that I am unhappy I ever purchased a product from this company. It is openly mocking it's customer sand not taking them seriously. As a lifetime sub I can't really cancel - no point either way but I would like the world to know that the Turbine that you may think is one thing... is this thing that you can see displayed. ...
I'm also a LOTRO founder... their forums have always been a popularity contest. I stopped reading and posting in their forums about a year ago when it was apparent that your post would either be ignored, disparaged, or flamed (my god, the thinnest skinned people in the world are in the LOTRO forums... how they purposely and actively miscontrue the foulest insults from the written equivalent to kitten farts I'll never know) if you were not one of a select few forum lounge lizards that were always... ALWAYS posting some silliness that had next to nothing to do with LOTRO.
I supposed at the time they were all members of one or more of the larger guilds and the forums was their equivalent of a Jr. High School cliche hangout, but I don't know that. They had some kind of connection because their threads would burst like a fungal bloom with them each feeding the thread with the least amount of character responses as possible.
To the forum moderators' credit... I guess, they were lightning quick to delete anything controversial including the barest whisper of something that might be construed as political, sexual, and/or demeaning to religion. Their hand was heavy, but they seemed fair... both sides of the cheek got whacked if it didn't meet their stringent decorum. So much so that the forums actually became rather bloated with nonsense and ennui... nothing really interesting.
I still play LOTRO off and on, but have given up on posting any kind of feedback or suggestions that might make their game more fun.
See and I thought that too. Then I would say, ah those people are just trying to suckup to those blue names, that's why they are being jokey jokey. I guess though it became seriously hampering - like you say they do only joke now but you know, I expect more out my administrators... my leaders... my righters of wrongs... I expect them to be impartial ... and respectful.
Originally posted by Sovrath Sometimes people don't like to do things that are easy. They create issues and road blocks so that they will have something to apply themselves to. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. The gentleman up top who indicted that this was how the DDO forums have been says that no one will die (in so many words) so I am inclined to believe that "no one will die".
It's an issue of feedback. Do they want you to say what makes them happy to hear or what they should hear if it could improve the game? That's the rock and hard place about posting in a system where fanboi peers can rate you and the administrators will back them up because they put them in that place. Noone asked for this change before they took our money and it was never part of the original agreement so discussing it instead of running away when it gets hard is natural. They are changing the rules after they have their cash and that is where they instigate the reactions.
One I've been following the LOTRO forums since launch and was part of closed beta. Doesn't give me any more weight than anyone else but i say that because I am familiar with the LOTRO forums.
One of the things I've seen throughout the years, whether it be lotro forums or these or others is that someone makes a post indicating that they had a post of theirs (or some other person) deleted because they had said something negative about the game but that there was nothing wrong with the post other than it was negative.
Ok, great, that is serious. But then the post comes to light and it's dismissive, rude, falls outside of the code of conduct for the forum and is essentially "not" a good post.
I don't think that the devs/cm's at Turbine mind negative comments if they are constructive. Where the issue is, is that constant aggressive complaints and complaints that attack another's character or make wide and baseless accusations need to be addressed.
I relize that forums can be a bit passionate about what posters believe but it does get out of hand.
Now, if someone were to say in a calm but constructive tone that they saw issues with the game and then they were to be banned or given a scarlet "A" then I could see there being a problem. But until I see such a thing I will have to give a "wait and see" to see if this is really an issue.
Well that's just it. I had no forum infractions, never got in trouble, had stickies I maintained, visited the new player forum to give help, suggestions forum to help ppl try to solidify their thoughts into something a programmer could do, was even invited into a beta. So, I can understand purging the non constructive but when I've been nothing but - and helpful to boot for no return. When I and others are stood up voicing concerns waiting for a response and that response is to ignore every one of our posts. They let it get out of line.
I tried to cancel my account. Being on lifetime account it said I had to call them at a long distance number to do it - it won't do it online. Wait and see didn't get far - that one person that is staunchly supporting them is now up to 5 bars since my post - if players really are capped at 5 or 6 rep gives a day - who is giving them all this rep, they only have one other supporter on the thread?
OP lotro forums use vbulletin do you see who rated you and do you see a comment for the rate ? if is anonymous cant be tracked by admin so make next: if you want to get your rate UP join a group of 10 ppl and start giving each other +rep all the time
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated and they are getting their threads locked when they complain. I can't be sure it would happen to the LOTRO complainers but the complainers are all pretty much in the one thread being ignored. Once folks start getting negative rep for what they don't think they should have that's when the stuff is going to hit the fan.
OP lotro forums use vbulletin do you see who rated you and do you see a comment for the rate ? if is anonymous cant be tracked by admin so make next: if you want to get your rate UP join a group of 10 ppl and start giving each other +rep all the time
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated.
Yes, but why does it matter?
Are they giving away free months of gameplay to top rated posters? Do you get any benefit at all apart from a high rating?
You seem to have come here making a large deal about something which I would assume is a completely irrelevant popularity rating.
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OP lotro forums use vbulletin do you see who rated you and do you see a comment for the rate ? if is anonymous cant be tracked by admin so make next: if you want to get your rate UP join a group of 10 ppl and start giving each other +rep all the time
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated.
Yes, but why does it matter?
Are they giving away free months of gameplay to top rated posters? Do you get any benefit at all apart from a high rating?
You seem to have come here making a large deal about something which I would assume is a completely irrelevant popularity rating.
It matters because of the way the system works.
Ok, I think it's 1500 rep to give someone negative rating.
Without that (we'll use that number) you can't rate someone negative - anyone.
With that rep you can rate anyone negative and they can't respond. You can be a pud to them and rate them badly and THEY become the one moderated.
Once you get in the pool of too many negative points you can't burrow out of the admin area - now your posts are moderated - literally will not post until a moderator reviews them. This is a paying customer that another paying customer locked out of posting on an official forum!
You don't know WHO gave you negative rep so they are anonymous. Now, there's a little twist - if someone has more rep than you and they rate you - it is more of a hit. I want to say that when the posters on DDO said the admin hit them with a negative it was -100 rep and when some of the stronger players did it - it was -35 rep. This is because of that "power" factor. Admin can bump up any players "power" factor artificially and also admit that they give negative and positive rep. WHY are moderators giving rep??? If you dish out the pain then are the one to moderate whether the pain is appropriate, the answer is never no lol
So, a steady supporter of all that Turbine does can have their power adjusted and their bars increased to put them into a position to pass out negativity.... being done now or else that person would not be so far ahead of the entire forum. Who knows how much power they give them to enhance their negative grading but man, when they hit someone it's going to hurt.
The reason it's bad is because it puts every impulsive, average Joe in the position to deny other players service, even put them in a pile of potential bans - not because they were rude, not because they broke forum rules, nope, just because they clicked, "I don't agree with this post".
because ppl are **** ******* **** ******* **** **** a valid post made by a user whit low or negative rep dont have same value like a post made by a user whit ++++rep and also ppl will take rep just to piss off other ppl not because the post is bad
is quite stupid to put posting "power" when all users pay the same moneys
i forgot to mention that vbulletin hate a option to "promote" user based on rep and u can be "promoted" on a miserable user group this script is made to discurage user to use the forums and can be assigned to any user groups
1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
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OP lotro forums use vbulletin do you see who rated you and do you see a comment for the rate ? if is anonymous cant be tracked by admin so make next: if you want to get your rate UP join a group of 10 ppl and start giving each other +rep all the time
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated.
Yes, but why does it matter?
Are they giving away free months of gameplay to top rated posters? Do you get any benefit at all apart from a high rating?
You seem to have come here making a large deal about something which I would assume is a completely irrelevant popularity rating.
It matters because of the way the system works.
Ok, I think it's 1500 rep to give someone negative rating.
Without that (we'll use that number) you can't rate someone negative - anyone.
With that rep you can rate anyone negative and they can't respond. You can be a pud to them and rate them badly and THEY become the one moderated.
Once you get in the pool of too many negative points you can't burrow out of the admin area - now your posts are moderated - literally will not post until a moderator reviews them. This is a paying customer that another paying customer locked out of posting on an official forum!
You don't know WHO gave you negative rep so they are anonymous. Now, there's a little twist - if someone has more rep than you and they rate you - it is more of a hit. I want to say that when the posters on DDO said the admin hit them with a negative it was -100 rep and when some of the stronger players did it - it was -35 rep. This is because of that "power" factor. Admin can bump up any players "power" factor artificially and also admit that they give negative and positive rep. WHY are moderators giving rep??? If you dish out the pain then are the one to moderate whether the pain is appropriate, the answer is never no lol
So, a steady supporter of all that Turbine does can have their power adjusted and their bars increased to put them into a position to pass out negativity.... being done now or else that person would not be so far ahead of the entire forum. Who knows how much power they give them to enhance their negative grading but man, when they hit someone it's going to hurt.
The reason it's bad is because it puts every impulsive, average Joe in the position to deny other players service, even put them in a pile of potential bans - not because they were rude, not because they broke forum rules, nope, just because they clicked, "I don't agree with this post".
If the system is being abused, the abusers will be moderated a lot harder then anyone abused by this system.
I believe your fears are unwarranted. Only the bad posters have fear of this system. So you should have no fear, right?
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do you flame or troll a lot? I can't see what's so awful about this. AFAIK you or any other "customer" for that matter doesn't have any legal right to post on official forums, so suck it up and dont troll, simples.
ok im not quite sure what is going on here but if i garnered right then why would forum posters be given any moderator abilities anyway i thought thats why moderators get paid putting power into the hands of ordinary ppl is definetly going to come out badly
Nah, I'm not an abrasive poster there. I have been called a troll maybe once in over a thousand posts but that's easy to say when you don't like the message and want to slap the messenger. It's the controversial topics that would concern me - Oh can't post about that - better keep my mouth shut less massa kick me outta da house. I have been known to debate in some of those because that's what forums are good for - debate so if I made a complaint about something like... a classbug that's been going on for over 1 year - who knows what fanboi is going to take that as a Turbine insult and downrate it. There were posters that told me - just don't use that spec - fixed. WTH - the game is broken, get a fix going, this isn't tough to put on paper. I've been blasted for bringing up complaints before from them and being told to just ignore it and play a different way sooooo odds are they wouldn't be too intimidated to push that little disagree button when they will make a post to that effect.
Originally posted by Lexiscat If the system is being abused, the abusers will be moderated a lot harder then anyone abused by this system. I believe your fears are unwarranted. Only the bad posters have fear of this system. So you should have no fear, right?
Wrong. His entire point is that the system was designed to be abused.
lol like anybody care!any system that try to throttleopimion of gamer just end up on the side gamer just go elsewhere and that place dies lol!
countless games today are hailing because they tried to remove the ngative without checking and fixing the complaint
doing this wont resolve anything lol its like you saying in your head i got HD on my computer screen all day long does it make it so? hell no!you need the specific 19xx x 1xxx plus it need to be 1080p or i cant recall plus other factor you dont just snap your hands and it happen
same thing for punlic opinion you want a good one you got to be deserving espacially in mmo with all the mmo that were released in the last 5 years only one was very close it was guild wars that tell you that company going in mmo business better have titanium "/%$/%? because they ll need those
You don't know WHO gave you negative rep so they are anonymous. Now, there's a little twist - if someone has more rep than you and they rate you - it is more of a hit. I want to say that when the posters on DDO said the admin hit them with a negative it was -100 rep and when some of the stronger players did it - it was -35 rep. This is because of that "power" factor. Admin can bump up any players "power" factor artificially and also admit that they give negative and positive rep. WHY are moderators giving rep??? If you dish out the pain then are the one to moderate whether the pain is appropriate, the answer is never no lol So, a steady supporter of all that Turbine does can have their power adjusted and their bars increased to put them into a position to pass out negativity.... being done now or else that person would not be so far ahead of the entire forum. Who knows how much power they give them to enhance their negative grading but man, when they hit someone it's going to hurt. The reason it's bad is because it puts every impulsive, average Joe in the position to deny other players service, even put them in a pile of potential bans - not because they were rude, not because they broke forum rules, nope, just because they clicked, "I don't agree with this post".
Unless single rate-downs are particularly potent (one Down to hide a post, or one Down to get someone perma-moderated,) then I'm really not seeing the point.
If the system is abused and you spot it, report it. Simple.
Again, the system sounds almost identical to Allakhazam's forums (except Alla's didn't give you stronger influence as your rating went up.) That system worked awesome, and for every 1 post ruined by the system (rate-up circle-jerks or unwarranted rate-downs) there were hundreds of content-filled posts where people went out of their way to be helpful.
Freaking out about some potentially bad thing (someone being wrongfully banned/perma-moderated) is just taking this way too far.
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Originally posted by Sovrath Sometimes people don't like to do things that are easy. They create issues and road blocks so that they will have something to apply themselves to. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. The gentleman up top who indicted that this was how the DDO forums have been says that no one will die (in so many words) so I am inclined to believe that "no one will die".
It's an issue of feedback. Do they want you to say what makes them happy to hear or what they should hear if it could improve the game? That's the rock and hard place about posting in a system where fanboi peers can rate you and the administrators will back them up because they put them in that place. Noone asked for this change before they took our money and it was never part of the original agreement so discussing it instead of running away when it gets hard is natural. They are changing the rules after they have their cash and that is where they instigate the reactions.
I got a news flash for you... it's their forum and they can do what they like. You can either accept it or move on. Those are your only two choices as in a situation like this there is no 'Middle ground'. It's like this... if you go to someone else's house and they tell you that you have to take your shoes off before you can come in you can either do it or leave. It's Turbine's house and they make the rules. You are a guest in their house so you can either follow the rules or leave (Either by choice or they can throw you out).
Originally posted by Lexiscat If the system is being abused, the abusers will be moderated a lot harder then anyone abused by this system. I believe your fears are unwarranted. Only the bad posters have fear of this system. So you should have no fear, right?
Wrong. His entire point is that the system was designed to be abused.
I think his point was that some posters were given "unfair" advantages with the system right off the bat. Which should not bother any well mannered poster.
If your reasonable, and articulate your posts in a mature fashion, you have nothing to fear. If any abuses the power of the system, they will face tougher penalties then anyone could face being abused by this system.
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All it means is that people don't really say what they want to because they're worried about how many green boxes they have. I think people who're concerned about what level their forum profiles are need to get a life. If you post against the status quo on the ddo forums people will give you negative rep. Happened to me, do I care, nope. Once I get rep back I'll go back and keep saying what I think rep or not.
Originally posted by Sovrath Sometimes people don't like to do things that are easy. They create issues and road blocks so that they will have something to apply themselves to. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. The gentleman up top who indicted that this was how the DDO forums have been says that no one will die (in so many words) so I am inclined to believe that "no one will die".
It's an issue of feedback. Do they want you to say what makes them happy to hear or what they should hear if it could improve the game? That's the rock and hard place about posting in a system where fanboi peers can rate you and the administrators will back them up because they put them in that place. Noone asked for this change before they took our money and it was never part of the original agreement so discussing it instead of running away when it gets hard is natural. They are changing the rules after they have their cash and that is where they instigate the reactions.
I got a news flash for you... it's their forum and they can do what they like. You can either accept it or move on. Those are your only two choices as in a situation like this there is no 'Middle ground'. It's like this... if you go to someone else's house and they tell you that you have to take your shoes off before you can come in you can either do it or leave. It's Turbine's house and they make the rules. You are a guest in their house so you can either follow the rules or leave (Either by choice or they can throw you out).
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its not thier forum the customers pay for that when they pay for the game they can make whatever rules they want but you have paid for the right to post in the forums the forums arent there for turbine they are there for the people
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any system that discourages smack talk and trolling is a good thing.
Their game, their community, their rules. I dislike so-called reputation systems with a passion, and I'd like nothing more than to join you in your nerdrage fit, but alas, I have to agree with whoever said "big deal".
I've got to say that as convenient as forums are, most communication goes on either through other mediums or through mailing and chat systems in-game...
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I'm also a LOTRO founder... their forums have always been a popularity contest. I stopped reading and posting in their forums about a year ago when it was apparent that your post would either be ignored, disparaged, or flamed (my god, the thinnest skinned people in the world are in the LOTRO forums... how they purposely and actively miscontrue the foulest insults from the written equivalent to kitten farts I'll never know) if you were not one of a select few forum lounge lizards that were always... ALWAYS posting some silliness that had next to nothing to do with LOTRO.
I supposed at the time they were all members of one or more of the larger guilds and the forums was their equivalent of a Jr. High School cliche hangout, but I don't know that. They had some kind of connection because their threads would burst like a fungal bloom with them each feeding the thread with the least amount of character responses as possible.
To the forum moderators' credit... I guess, they were lightning quick to delete anything controversial including the barest whisper of something that might be construed as political, sexual, and/or demeaning to religion. Their hand was heavy, but they seemed fair... both sides of the cheek got whacked if it didn't meet their stringent decorum. So much so that the forums actually became rather bloated with nonsense and ennui... nothing really interesting.
I still play LOTRO off and on, but have given up on posting any kind of feedback or suggestions that might make their game more fun.
What are the little stars underneath people's name here? These stars seems to wax and wane and don't seem to parallel the number of posts people have... I thought that this was some kind of rep system.
As far as I can tell the stars are a reflection of how often you post. Mine goes down some if I go a week without posting much.
Also having a post reported and acted on by a moderator I believe knocks it down. But overall it seems to just be how often you post without being moderated and that is it. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think the only people afraid of a police each other rep system, are the same people who flame other users and say everything sucks or is wrong. They are the same people who get moderated by and admin for swearing or attacking and truly don't get why they are being moderated.
If you post without attacking/flaming/cursing I doubt you will ever even notice the system. But some people don't have that capability they just have to attack other posters or developers.
oh... makes sense. thanks for the explanation.
An easier explaination is that the star rating system is broken and even the admins can't agree on what it's for half the time.
One I've been following the LOTRO forums since launch and was part of closed beta. Doesn't give me any more weight than anyone else but i say that because I am familiar with the LOTRO forums.
One of the things I've seen throughout the years, whether it be lotro forums or these or others is that someone makes a post indicating that they had a post of theirs (or some other person) deleted because they had said something negative about the game but that there was nothing wrong with the post other than it was negative.
Ok, great, that is serious. But then the post comes to light and it's dismissive, rude, falls outside of the code of conduct for the forum and is essentially "not" a good post.
I don't think that the devs/cm's at Turbine mind negative comments if they are constructive. Where the issue is, is that constant aggressive complaints and complaints that attack another's character or make wide and baseless accusations need to be addressed.
I relize that forums can be a bit passionate about what posters believe but it does get out of hand.
Now, if someone were to say in a calm but constructive tone that they saw issues with the game and then they were to be banned or given a scarlet "A" then I could see there being a problem. But until I see such a thing I will have to give a "wait and see" to see if this is really an issue.
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-Agree, i stop postin on Turbine forums long time ago....i still play lotro because its still fun for me.
OP lotro forums use vbulletin do you see who rated you and do you see a comment for the rate ? if is anonymous cant be tracked by admin so make next: if you want to get your rate UP join a group of 10 ppl and start giving each other +rep all the time
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I'm also a LOTRO founder... their forums have always been a popularity contest. I stopped reading and posting in their forums about a year ago when it was apparent that your post would either be ignored, disparaged, or flamed (my god, the thinnest skinned people in the world are in the LOTRO forums... how they purposely and actively miscontrue the foulest insults from the written equivalent to kitten farts I'll never know) if you were not one of a select few forum lounge lizards that were always... ALWAYS posting some silliness that had next to nothing to do with LOTRO.
I supposed at the time they were all members of one or more of the larger guilds and the forums was their equivalent of a Jr. High School cliche hangout, but I don't know that. They had some kind of connection because their threads would burst like a fungal bloom with them each feeding the thread with the least amount of character responses as possible.
To the forum moderators' credit... I guess, they were lightning quick to delete anything controversial including the barest whisper of something that might be construed as political, sexual, and/or demeaning to religion. Their hand was heavy, but they seemed fair... both sides of the cheek got whacked if it didn't meet their stringent decorum. So much so that the forums actually became rather bloated with nonsense and ennui... nothing really interesting.
I still play LOTRO off and on, but have given up on posting any kind of feedback or suggestions that might make their game more fun.
See and I thought that too. Then I would say, ah those people are just trying to suckup to those blue names, that's why they are being jokey jokey. I guess though it became seriously hampering - like you say they do only joke now but you know, I expect more out my administrators... my leaders... my righters of wrongs... I expect them to be impartial ... and respectful.
One I've been following the LOTRO forums since launch and was part of closed beta. Doesn't give me any more weight than anyone else but i say that because I am familiar with the LOTRO forums.
One of the things I've seen throughout the years, whether it be lotro forums or these or others is that someone makes a post indicating that they had a post of theirs (or some other person) deleted because they had said something negative about the game but that there was nothing wrong with the post other than it was negative.
Ok, great, that is serious. But then the post comes to light and it's dismissive, rude, falls outside of the code of conduct for the forum and is essentially "not" a good post.
I don't think that the devs/cm's at Turbine mind negative comments if they are constructive. Where the issue is, is that constant aggressive complaints and complaints that attack another's character or make wide and baseless accusations need to be addressed.
I relize that forums can be a bit passionate about what posters believe but it does get out of hand.
Now, if someone were to say in a calm but constructive tone that they saw issues with the game and then they were to be banned or given a scarlet "A" then I could see there being a problem. But until I see such a thing I will have to give a "wait and see" to see if this is really an issue.
Well that's just it. I had no forum infractions, never got in trouble, had stickies I maintained, visited the new player forum to give help, suggestions forum to help ppl try to solidify their thoughts into something a programmer could do, was even invited into a beta. So, I can understand purging the non constructive but when I've been nothing but - and helpful to boot for no return. When I and others are stood up voicing concerns waiting for a response and that response is to ignore every one of our posts. They let it get out of line.
I tried to cancel my account. Being on lifetime account it said I had to call them at a long distance number to do it - it won't do it online. Wait and see didn't get far - that one person that is staunchly supporting them is now up to 5 bars since my post - if players really are capped at 5 or 6 rep gives a day - who is giving them all this rep, they only have one other supporter on the thread?
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated and they are getting their threads locked when they complain. I can't be sure it would happen to the LOTRO complainers but the complainers are all pretty much in the one thread being ignored. Once folks start getting negative rep for what they don't think they should have that's when the stuff is going to hit the fan.
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated.
Yes, but why does it matter?
Are they giving away free months of gameplay to top rated posters? Do you get any benefit at all apart from a high rating?
You seem to have come here making a large deal about something which I would assume is a completely irrelevant popularity rating.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated.
Yes, but why does it matter?
Are they giving away free months of gameplay to top rated posters? Do you get any benefit at all apart from a high rating?
You seem to have come here making a large deal about something which I would assume is a completely irrelevant popularity rating.
It matters because of the way the system works.
Ok, I think it's 1500 rep to give someone negative rating.
Without that (we'll use that number) you can't rate someone negative - anyone.
With that rep you can rate anyone negative and they can't respond. You can be a pud to them and rate them badly and THEY become the one moderated.
Once you get in the pool of too many negative points you can't burrow out of the admin area - now your posts are moderated - literally will not post until a moderator reviews them. This is a paying customer that another paying customer locked out of posting on an official forum!
You don't know WHO gave you negative rep so they are anonymous. Now, there's a little twist - if someone has more rep than you and they rate you - it is more of a hit. I want to say that when the posters on DDO said the admin hit them with a negative it was -100 rep and when some of the stronger players did it - it was -35 rep. This is because of that "power" factor. Admin can bump up any players "power" factor artificially and also admit that they give negative and positive rep. WHY are moderators giving rep??? If you dish out the pain then are the one to moderate whether the pain is appropriate, the answer is never no lol
So, a steady supporter of all that Turbine does can have their power adjusted and their bars increased to put them into a position to pass out negativity.... being done now or else that person would not be so far ahead of the entire forum. Who knows how much power they give them to enhance their negative grading but man, when they hit someone it's going to hurt.
The reason it's bad is because it puts every impulsive, average Joe in the position to deny other players service, even put them in a pile of potential bans - not because they were rude, not because they broke forum rules, nope, just because they clicked, "I don't agree with this post".
Yes, but why does it matter?
because ppl are **** ******* **** ******* **** **** a valid post made by a user whit low or negative rep dont have same value like a post made by a user whit ++++rep and also ppl will take rep just to piss off other ppl not because the post is bad
is quite stupid to put posting "power" when all users pay the same moneys
i forgot to mention that vbulletin hate a option to "promote" user based on rep and u can be "promoted" on a miserable user group this script is made to discurage user to use the forums and can be assigned to any user groups
1. Slow response (time delay) on every page (20 to 60 seconds default).
2. A chance they will get the "server busy" message (50% by default).
3. A chance that no search facilities will be available (75% by default).
4. A chance they will get redirected to another preset page (25% & homepage by default).
5. A chance they will simply get a blank page (25% by default).
6. Post flood limit increased by a defined factor (10 times by default).
7. If they get past all this okay, then they will be served up their proper page
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Oh it's modified code, they admitted that - it has rules on how often you can rep etc. They disabled comments and you can't see who gave you good or bad rep - just the post it came from. Another complaint - no accountability. It is their forum and it is their game but to bullshit and act like it's a fair system is something they don't seem to be trying to convey - well not to anyone that can read about the way some of the DDO people feel treated.
Yes, but why does it matter?
Are they giving away free months of gameplay to top rated posters? Do you get any benefit at all apart from a high rating?
You seem to have come here making a large deal about something which I would assume is a completely irrelevant popularity rating.
It matters because of the way the system works.
Ok, I think it's 1500 rep to give someone negative rating.
Without that (we'll use that number) you can't rate someone negative - anyone.
With that rep you can rate anyone negative and they can't respond. You can be a pud to them and rate them badly and THEY become the one moderated.
Once you get in the pool of too many negative points you can't burrow out of the admin area - now your posts are moderated - literally will not post until a moderator reviews them. This is a paying customer that another paying customer locked out of posting on an official forum!
You don't know WHO gave you negative rep so they are anonymous. Now, there's a little twist - if someone has more rep than you and they rate you - it is more of a hit. I want to say that when the posters on DDO said the admin hit them with a negative it was -100 rep and when some of the stronger players did it - it was -35 rep. This is because of that "power" factor. Admin can bump up any players "power" factor artificially and also admit that they give negative and positive rep. WHY are moderators giving rep??? If you dish out the pain then are the one to moderate whether the pain is appropriate, the answer is never no lol
So, a steady supporter of all that Turbine does can have their power adjusted and their bars increased to put them into a position to pass out negativity.... being done now or else that person would not be so far ahead of the entire forum. Who knows how much power they give them to enhance their negative grading but man, when they hit someone it's going to hurt.
The reason it's bad is because it puts every impulsive, average Joe in the position to deny other players service, even put them in a pile of potential bans - not because they were rude, not because they broke forum rules, nope, just because they clicked, "I don't agree with this post".
If the system is being abused, the abusers will be moderated a lot harder then anyone abused by this system.
I believe your fears are unwarranted. Only the bad posters have fear of this system. So you should have no fear, right?
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
do you flame or troll a lot? I can't see what's so awful about this. AFAIK you or any other "customer" for that matter doesn't have any legal right to post on official forums, so suck it up and dont troll, simples.
ok im not quite sure what is going on here but if i garnered right then why would forum posters be given any moderator abilities anyway i thought thats why moderators get paid putting power into the hands of ordinary ppl is definetly going to come out badly
Nah, I'm not an abrasive poster there. I have been called a troll maybe once in over a thousand posts but that's easy to say when you don't like the message and want to slap the messenger. It's the controversial topics that would concern me - Oh can't post about that - better keep my mouth shut less massa kick me outta da house. I have been known to debate in some of those because that's what forums are good for - debate so if I made a complaint about something like... a classbug that's been going on for over 1 year - who knows what fanboi is going to take that as a Turbine insult and downrate it. There were posters that told me - just don't use that spec - fixed. WTH - the game is broken, get a fix going, this isn't tough to put on paper. I've been blasted for bringing up complaints before from them and being told to just ignore it and play a different way sooooo odds are they wouldn't be too intimidated to push that little disagree button when they will make a post to that effect.
Wrong. His entire point is that the system was designed to be abused.
countless games today are hailing because
they tried to remove the ngative without
checking and fixing the complaint
doing this wont resolve anything lol
its like you saying in your head i got HD on my computer screen all day long
does it make it so?
hell no!you need the specific 19xx x 1xxx
plus it need to be 1080p or i cant recall
plus other factor
you dont just snap your hands and it happen
same thing for punlic opinion you want a good one you got to be deserving espacially in mmo with all the mmo that were released in the last 5 years
only one was very close
it was guild wars that tell you
that company going in mmo business
better have titanium "/%$/%? because they ll need those
Unless single rate-downs are particularly potent (one Down to hide a post, or one Down to get someone perma-moderated,) then I'm really not seeing the point.
If the system is abused and you spot it, report it. Simple.
Again, the system sounds almost identical to Allakhazam's forums (except Alla's didn't give you stronger influence as your rating went up.) That system worked awesome, and for every 1 post ruined by the system (rate-up circle-jerks or unwarranted rate-downs) there were hundreds of content-filled posts where people went out of their way to be helpful.
Freaking out about some potentially bad thing (someone being wrongfully banned/perma-moderated) is just taking this way too far.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I got a news flash for you... it's their forum and they can do what they like. You can either accept it or move on. Those are your only two choices as in a situation like this there is no 'Middle ground'. It's like this... if you go to someone else's house and they tell you that you have to take your shoes off before you can come in you can either do it or leave. It's Turbine's house and they make the rules. You are a guest in their house so you can either follow the rules or leave (Either by choice or they can throw you out).
Bren
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Wrong. His entire point is that the system was designed to be abused.
I think his point was that some posters were given "unfair" advantages with the system right off the bat. Which should not bother any well mannered poster.
If your reasonable, and articulate your posts in a mature fashion, you have nothing to fear. If any abuses the power of the system, they will face tougher penalties then anyone could face being abused by this system.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
All it means is that people don't really say what they want to because they're worried about how many green boxes they have. I think people who're concerned about what level their forum profiles are need to get a life. If you post against the status quo on the ddo forums people will give you negative rep. Happened to me, do I care, nope. Once I get rep back I'll go back and keep saying what I think rep or not.
I got a news flash for you... it's their forum and they can do what they like. You can either accept it or move on. Those are your only two choices as in a situation like this there is no 'Middle ground'. It's like this... if you go to someone else's house and they tell you that you have to take your shoes off before you can come in you can either do it or leave. It's Turbine's house and they make the rules. You are a guest in their house so you can either follow the rules or leave (Either by choice or they can throw you out).
Bren
its not thier forum the customers pay for that when they pay for the game they can make whatever rules they want but you have paid for the right to post in the forums the forums arent there for turbine they are there for the people