I lot belief in the OP once he started ranting about paying for re-specs and stuff
Hey guess what guys, the moon is made of cheese..... and Spaghetti only grows in Italy!!! Honest, I heard a man who is a friend of my sisters aunites, nephews, uncles ,Brother in laws, kid
I have yet to see any PROOF backing up his spurious claims
Can't say I agree with the OP. I'm loving the game. I've been playing video and computer games for almost 30 years now and this is the first game that actually gives the feeling of being an explorer. More so it's the only MMO I can remember that you can actually go places and discover things no other player has seen or done.
Sorry, but I really don't think LOTRO is a fair comparision. LOTRO isnt the best that was ever made, but it is a very decend game and lightyears away from anything STO can EVER be.
LOTRO has been out for a long time now. STO is still in beta. No way to judge how it will turn out.
Well LotRO had about the smoothest launch ever imo. It was working, balanced, lightspeed-fast and first of all, it was fun from day 1 - all the updates added to this, but the game was AAA right from the start.
I don't know about STO, I really hope it's just the usual 'QQ QQ QQ I want an open world sandbox ffa PvP electroshock mouse permadeath build my own phaser-empire'-trolls...
LoTRO got good after the Moria expansion was released, Mirkwood and updates have made that even more so, with a nice community. Forget Beta's and play LoTRO as it is now and it won't be a disappointment in my opinion.
I don't see how a science fiction franchise from 60s can interest any under-40 year olds. Every bit of it from ship designs to characters' psychology is outdated. I'll just pass on this mmo in protest :P
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
I understand why the OP made the LotRO comparison. Some people were really hoping for that game to be more of a virtual world along the lines of its original conception (Middle Earth Online) before Turbine took over the game's development and more or less "wowified" the game into what was eventually released. Not saying there isn't a lot of folks who enjoy LotRO, but there is a sizable group of players who feel the IP was wasted in the final game. Same situation here, the Star Trek Universe begged to be a large, open virtual world simulation, and instead they made it even more of a "game" than Turbine did with LotRO, and the OP and others are disappointed in the result. That said, there will be people who enjoy STO as delivered.
I agree Kyleran, I think STO is a fun game for those into Cryptic games, I had some hopes on LotrO myself, but as you said I hoped for more then what they delivered. For STO I actually didn't have much hopes in regards me playing it, my reason is simply Cryptic has a different take on MMORPG that I have which does not make their games bad, but that just makes their games not ones I like to play.
And like alway's I hope my fellow gamers will enjoy STO for what it delivers, I couldn't but gladly also have a MMORPG to enjoy the way I like them to be, of course there is something in me that is disappointed as obvious I would really have loved a Star Trek MMORPG that would have suited my playstyle cause me being a Star Trek fan, but the time spend so far with STO didn't give me that fibe or feeling to continue or even buy the game.
Have fun all cause everyone deserves it to have a game that they feel is fun.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
M
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
M
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
But if STO were exactly like Star Trek the shows/movies, where would open world PvP fit in? I can understand your comments about beaming down to just randomly explore planets at will or to have a bridge that actually allowed you to hang out in and actually do something like scan systems and such, but I dont get where the whole PvP thing comes from...
But as with anything game wise being built on an IP (STO, LOTRO, etc) some things will have to be left out because they may not be feasible at the current point in time for the game. Even movies based on books/comics/etc have to take liberties or drastically alter the source material to make it fit the new format. Yeah, it sucks (and sometimes really bad too) but it happens. No translation will ever be as accurate as people will hope it is.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
I love it when posters think their opinion is not only fact but a fact that everyone else shares. By the way, where do you get this 125k number for Rings from?
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
LOTRO was and still is a solid MMO. You just have to make it out of Archet to realize it
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Like I said " You had to have made it out of the newb zone to realize it"
And for it being a WOW clone? Give me a break. I play WOW and can with a straight face say most of the good ideas(and the bad ones) in WOW were taken from other MMOs. Thats why people love the game so much. It's so easy even a caveman can do it.
mh, I actually liked LOTRO, This game isn't a failure at all, it is one of the better mmo's on the western market. It still has a good playerbase. But ye, everyone has his own opinion, some liked lotro, like i did, and some doesn't. And for STO, we'll see what will happen after launch, I guess it will get his own stable fan/playerbase
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Played LOTRO and beta and release. Had no issues, it was pretty smooth.
Don't try to compare both please, though I failed to get addicted to LOTRO it doesn't mean it's a bad game.
STO is supposed to have massive issues, that's what happens when you try to release a MMO with so little development time and using an engine from another MMO. If it will grow in a good game, we don't know for sure, hopefully it's financially possible with all the massive hype-based box sales and lifetime subscriptions it will be getting based on the IP and the fun space combat.
I just hope they show results before it's too late and people have moved on already.
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
In your example WoW...Most of the PVP servers are LOW population...most of the NORMAL population are HIGH...how did that translate to what you stated above ? It seems like MOST of the population do not care about what you said above.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
M
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
WoW doesn't have open world pvp in all its severs does it? and Lotro has everthing WoW does doesn't it? .......If there's anything wrong with Lotro its that its too similar to WoW and there's no real marketing for it.
STO having open world pvp..... would definitely make for a cool experience but just like in Eve it should only be allowed in certain sectors e.g the unknown sectors of space. That would definitely be cool.
I remember in Asherons Call, They had enourmous pressure from the forum about implementing PvP in-game so they felt like they should do something about it, but to be sure they put a poll on teir forums about how many wanted it and to make sure players where patricipating in it they put in a link from the loginscreen to the poll. in the end it turned up that on 5% of the players wanted pvp, so only conclusion i can say is that players wanting pvp in their game is usally really loud.
edit, Gramma and spelling.
edit: Btw, u do know that free PvP is against everything in Star Trek.
I remember in Asherons Call, They had enourmous pressure from the forum about implementing PvP in-game so they felt like they should do something about it, but to be sure they put a poll on teir forums about how many wanted it and to make sure players where patricipating in it they put in a link from the loginscreen to the poll. in the end it turned up that on 5% of the players wanted pvp, so only conclusion i can say is that players wanting pvp in their game is usally really loud.
edit, Gramma and spelling.
edit: Btw, u do know that free PvP is against everything in Star Trek.
When thinking PvP, I think of Klingon players all cloaked up in the unknown sector waiting for some random Fed player to jump in. Anything that differs from that would be out of cannon.
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LOTRO may be a solid game but it runied the tolkien IP. It has nothing to do with Tolkiens lore, what the frack is a Lore Master or a Rune Keeper ?
You got to pay for a respec? Anyone got a link where I can check out which additional game options require cash?
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
I lot belief in the OP once he started ranting about paying for re-specs and stuff
Hey guess what guys, the moon is made of cheese..... and Spaghetti only grows in Italy!!! Honest, I heard a man who is a friend of my sisters aunites, nephews, uncles ,Brother in laws, kid
I have yet to see any PROOF backing up his spurious claims
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png
Can't say I agree with the OP. I'm loving the game. I've been playing video and computer games for almost 30 years now and this is the first game that actually gives the feeling of being an explorer. More so it's the only MMO I can remember that you can actually go places and discover things no other player has seen or done.
LOTRO has been out for a long time now. STO is still in beta. No way to judge how it will turn out.
Well LotRO had about the smoothest launch ever imo. It was working, balanced, lightspeed-fast and first of all, it was fun from day 1 - all the updates added to this, but the game was AAA right from the start.
I don't know about STO, I really hope it's just the usual 'QQ QQ QQ I want an open world sandbox ffa PvP electroshock mouse permadeath build my own phaser-empire'-trolls...
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LoTRO got good after the Moria expansion was released, Mirkwood and updates have made that even more so, with a nice community. Forget Beta's and play LoTRO as it is now and it won't be a disappointment in my opinion.
I don't see how a science fiction franchise from 60s can interest any under-40 year olds. Every bit of it from ship designs to characters' psychology is outdated. I'll just pass on this mmo in protest :P
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
It will be revived by FFXIV... mark my words.
It will be revived by FFXIV... mark my words.
Not with that combat system it wont
Every MMO should be as "disappointing" as LoTRO is.
I agree Kyleran, I think STO is a fun game for those into Cryptic games, I had some hopes on LotrO myself, but as you said I hoped for more then what they delivered. For STO I actually didn't have much hopes in regards me playing it, my reason is simply Cryptic has a different take on MMORPG that I have which does not make their games bad, but that just makes their games not ones I like to play.
And like alway's I hope my fellow gamers will enjoy STO for what it delivers, I couldn't but gladly also have a MMORPG to enjoy the way I like them to be, of course there is something in me that is disappointed as obvious I would really have loved a Star Trek MMORPG that would have suited my playstyle cause me being a Star Trek fan, but the time spend so far with STO didn't give me that fibe or feeling to continue or even buy the game.
Have fun all cause everyone deserves it to have a game that they feel is fun.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
M
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
M
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
But if STO were exactly like Star Trek the shows/movies, where would open world PvP fit in? I can understand your comments about beaming down to just randomly explore planets at will or to have a bridge that actually allowed you to hang out in and actually do something like scan systems and such, but I dont get where the whole PvP thing comes from...
But as with anything game wise being built on an IP (STO, LOTRO, etc) some things will have to be left out because they may not be feasible at the current point in time for the game. Even movies based on books/comics/etc have to take liberties or drastically alter the source material to make it fit the new format. Yeah, it sucks (and sometimes really bad too) but it happens. No translation will ever be as accurate as people will hope it is.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I love it when posters think their opinion is not only fact but a fact that everyone else shares. By the way, where do you get this 125k number for Rings from?
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
LOTRO online is one of the three games in the west that has constantly gained sub numbers. That is a fact.
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Like I said " You had to have made it out of the newb zone to realize it"
And for it being a WOW clone? Give me a break. I play WOW and can with a straight face say most of the good ideas(and the bad ones) in WOW were taken from other MMOs. Thats why people love the game so much. It's so easy even a caveman can do it.
There is no such thing as a hard/complicated mmo
Word.
This is not a game.
mh, I actually liked LOTRO, This game isn't a failure at all, it is one of the better mmo's on the western market. It still has a good playerbase. But ye, everyone has his own opinion, some liked lotro, like i did, and some doesn't. And for STO, we'll see what will happen after launch, I guess it will get his own stable fan/playerbase
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Played LOTRO and beta and release. Had no issues, it was pretty smooth.
Don't try to compare both please, though I failed to get addicted to LOTRO it doesn't mean it's a bad game.
STO is supposed to have massive issues, that's what happens when you try to release a MMO with so little development time and using an engine from another MMO. If it will grow in a good game, we don't know for sure, hopefully it's financially possible with all the massive hype-based box sales and lifetime subscriptions it will be getting based on the IP and the fun space combat.
I just hope they show results before it's too late and people have moved on already.
In your example WoW...Most of the PVP servers are LOW population...most of the NORMAL population are HIGH...how did that translate to what you stated above ? It seems like MOST of the population do not care about what you said above.
Here is the break down :
Server type High Medium Low
(PvP) 12 60 34
(RP) 5 2 10
(RPPvP) 1 1 4
Normal 50 2 60
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
WoW doesn't have open world pvp in all its severs does it? and Lotro has everthing WoW does doesn't it? .......If there's anything wrong with Lotro its that its too similar to WoW and there's no real marketing for it.
STO having open world pvp..... would definitely make for a cool experience but just like in Eve it should only be allowed in certain sectors e.g the unknown sectors of space. That would definitely be cool.
This is not a game.
I remember in Asherons Call, They had enourmous pressure from the forum about implementing PvP in-game so they felt like they should do something about it, but to be sure they put a poll on teir forums about how many wanted it and to make sure players where patricipating in it they put in a link from the loginscreen to the poll. in the end it turned up that on 5% of the players wanted pvp, so only conclusion i can say is that players wanting pvp in their game is usally really loud.
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edit: Btw, u do know that free PvP is against everything in Star Trek.
When thinking PvP, I think of Klingon players all cloaked up in the unknown sector waiting for some random Fed player to jump in. Anything that differs from that would be out of cannon.
This is not a game.