LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
This really made me chuckle...
So if the majority of people want huge pvp fights, attacked while questing and big teams, how come games like DFO, DnL, WAR are struggling to retain even small amount of subs... and wait, you drag WoW into the ring, which until very recently only featured supersmall scale arena PvP? And how come the majority of players play on normal ruleset realms. If you have a grudge against LotRO because they chose to make it a quality, fun coop PvE game with steadily growing sub numbers, fine. But for the love of christ, swallow it down.
And Star Trek, while you may not be able to see it while blind with 'bohoo-I-wanna-gank-FFA-loot-sandbox-beam-down-kill-players', is not about "yay here I got some random starship let's fly somewhere". You're not Han Solo, as a starfleet vessel I would expect fleet command to actually give out _orders_ where to go and what to do. Expecially while at war.
I'll say it again...LOTRO is a great game..imo. STO is very buggy..which I expected. It ran choppy ...expected. Overall I am still enjoying the ride. Ground combat can be fun..and Space combat is a blast. Customization is pretty extensive...as detailed as needed really. I've only played about 15 hours...so I can't fit it to my tastes until they attempt to iron out the wrinkles.
Some of the bugs were humorous tho...like when I went from space to ground team..sometimes it would not be my character avatar but my actual ship... could move it around on the ground..kinda floating like it was in space. ,,then vice versa...my captain would be floating in space on impulse power....lol. It was never very long before it would correct itself...I think the longest was almost a minute.
If they can refine the quest system a bit and allow multiple player crews per ship..and make it feel more like Star Trek. That would be great.. However...I never expected Cryptic to completely deliver on a 30+ year...multi series/movie/comic book/novel franchise...much less have an endless universe of planets to explore. Hopefully tho...with time.(the same thing that was needed to give us all the Star Trek media we enjoy now).. it will shape up to resemble what an unreasonable fan (of Star Trek and/or MMOs) would expect at launch. Again...this is of course...my opinion.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
WoW doesn't have open world pvp in all its severs does it? and Lotro has everthing WoW does doesn't it? .......If there's anything wrong with Lotro its that its too similar to WoW and there's no real marketing for it.
STO having open world pvp..... would definitely make for a cool experience but just like in Eve it should only be allowed in certain sectors e.g the unknown sectors of space. That would definitely be cool.
Most of pvp servers in WoW these days have huge faction imbalance, Illidan one of the largest PvP server in WoW you can go days without seeing a alliance in any of the zone. Even alliance side of Dalaran is a ghost town.
LOTRO is a terrific game, probably the best MMO around right now although WoW is terrific as well.
That said, LOTRO like most MMOs takes a while to learn the cadence. No MMO "feels right" at first. You have to give it time to see how it feels when it becomes second nature. Unfortunately (for some), this means investing time and money (albeit not really much of each) to figure it out. I give every movie 30 minutes before turning it off (last one I bailed on was Pinapple Express). I give every book 100 pages (last one I bailed on was Son of a Witch). And I give every MMO at least 60 days, figure 50 hours played. You can't get a sense of anything worthwhile without an investment.
One general request/complaint since this is the only post I am likely to make for a few months...can we get a filter where anyone who complains about a $15 monthly fee can be filtered out? Omg, $15t is cheaper than a 90 minute movie with popcorn. I am sorry but if you are so poor you care anything at all about a $15 fee you need to stop playing MMOs and focus on work/school to get a better job. Sheesh.
Sorry, but I really don't think LOTRO is a fair comparision. LOTRO isnt the best that was ever made, but it is a very decend game and lightyears away from anything STO can EVER be.
LOTRO has been out for a long time now. STO is still in beta. No way to judge how it will turn out.
Well LotRO had about the smoothest launch ever imo. It was working, balanced, lightspeed-fast and first of all, it was fun from day 1 - all the updates added to this, but the game was AAA right from the start.
I don't know about STO, I really hope it's just the usual 'QQ QQ QQ I want an open world sandbox ffa PvP electroshock mouse permadeath build my own phaser-empire'-trolls...
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STO is fun, but oh yes... has more bugs than the bunny.
I spent the final 5 minutes of the beta just now being locked out because my toon was stuck in a load screen crash. Finally logged in as a Klingon and just wandered around for a bit.
Fun, but buggy as could be.
Far as LotRO goes, IMO, it's the best modern MMO out there. It gives you everything without the WoW community, which is a godsend. Tons of downtime gameplay, tons of content, brilliant art and graphics... it's not the game I'd conceive of if I were to make LOTR, but, well, it probably gets more subs than mine would.
It is games like STO that make me appreciate how fantastic LOTRO is.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
I enjoyed the OB of STO very much. Most of you guys are impossible to please and complain and blast every game that comes down the pike. You will never be happy and no game will ever satisfy you, In the last several years the MMO crowd has become pathetic haters bad mouthing everything and complaining about all MMO's. In fact this particular forum has become saturated. Used to be a great place to come. No longer.
LOTRO is in no way as bad as STO. STO is a giant pile of baby diapers
Currently Playing: Fallen Earth Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
I would just love to know where this number came from. As far as I know, Turbine, who are the only ones who know the actual population numbers, doesn't release these facts. So, if you are going to make statements and try to make them look factual, maybe you should follow it up with links to your sources. Otherwise, your posts come off like those numbers, pulled out of your nether region.
I enjoyed the OB of STO very much. Most of you guys are impossible to please and complain and blast every game that comes down the pike. You will never be happy and no game will ever satisfy you, In the last several years the MMO crowd has become pathetic haters bad mouthing everything and complaining about all MMO's. In fact this particular forum has become saturated. Used to be a great place to come. No longer.
Now that's a pretty wild generalization. Most people here? Really? You honestly believe that? I myself am not that hard to please -- the fact that STO fails in my book actually says a lot about the game. I've played a lot of MMOs in my time, and have enjoyed most of them.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
I enjoyed STO open beta a lot. If the game is the same in 7 or 8 months time, then the haters might have a point. But I'm certain they will keep adding and enhancing the game.
I enjoyed STO open beta a lot. If the game is the same in 7 or 8 months time, then the haters might have a point. But I'm certain they will keep adding and enhancing the game.
Like they did with CO, which is largely unchanged after 6 months and has about 10% subscriber base of release?
I enjoyed STO open beta a lot. If the game is the same in 7 or 8 months time, then the haters might have a point. But I'm certain they will keep adding and enhancing the game.
Like they did with CO, which is largely unchanged after 6 months and has about 10% subscriber base of release?
I can't comment because I haven't played CO and I'm not sure how correct you are either.
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
You what? Deserted? Mate I'm sorry but the majority of posters here (Hint, we are MMO gamers) Have told you they liked Lotro. Thats a fact, not what you just spewed. Okay you don't like it, but don't make up crap facts about something you obviously have now shown you know very little about.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
I currently sub to LoTRO as my 2nd MMO back up to WoW.. I enjoy some parts of LoTRO then other, and I doubt I'll ever be a full time LoTRO player simply because I hate relying on grouping most of the time.. TY Skirmishes.. lol However, LoTRO is 500% more a MMO then STO is.. and I don't see STO ever being a threat to any of the MMO big boys.. I define big boys is having 200k+ subs or more..
And it beats me how OP managed to find parallels between STO and LOTRO.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
So wait... First you note how you enjoyed the books and movies and that's why you wanted to play LoTRO, expecting it to be "FFA World PvP.. blah blah blah". Then when it's pointed out that none of what you describe ever happened in the books, you resort to how you and "most mmo gamers are like you" (umm... speak for yourself), and don't care about the books, blah blah. So... you only cared about the books when you thought they represented what you wanted in the game... Once you were educated to the contrary, the books no longer matter, to you or this "most other gamers" that you claim to speak for. Got it.
Really nothing else needs to be said about the rest of your post.
And, I'll correct that statement of yours... "Most MMO gamers like you" would want all those things you mention. Most MMO gamers, in general, however, do not, as evidenced by the lack of MMOs that feature that type of gameplay. Many people like PvP in some form, yes... that is activities where players can compete against each other. However, the crowd that want "FFA anytime, anywhere world PvP with little or no restrictions" are a very small, but very vocal portion of that crowd.
WoW is a *poor* example of that argument as even WoW does not have FFA anytime/anywhere PvP on all its servers and, those that do have it, are the less populated ones, as has been pointed out.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Played LOTRO since Launch...Played STO since beginning of CB... LOTRO is light-years, I mean one million light-years ahead of STO in almost every possible way...But especially the Community... I don't care what was missing from the STO Beta, LOTRO is a better Game...Granted not for everyone...But a MUCH better Game than STO... Did I mention LOTRO>>>>>>>STO?
Personally i'd say LOTRO is the best pve fantasy mmorpg i have ever played.
If only the monsterplay didn't suck monkey-nuts it'd have been epic.
Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy
Well at least this discussion actually has fans of a game saying they like it, thats a big improvement over the I hate crowd anyways. I played the beta on Lotr and the game functioned nicely and was pretty, I didn't like the character models of the dwarves and hobbits or the fact there was no Mordor side to play. Character classes seemed restricted to me so I went over to Vanguard instead. I like that game over LotR.
Trying to compare LotR with STo doesn't seem a fair comparison as they are in two very different settings. If you like one type of setting doesn't mean your going to like the other setting no matter how good it is. LotR graphics were hard on many machines so lag wasn't uncommon in heavier traffic areas, since STo is mostly instanced I can't say thats ever been a problem for me. LotR didn't have the crashes I experienced with STo although that has gotten much better. Ground combat is very similar in nature for both of them (standard MMO fare). LotR has crafting although I didn't enjoy doing it, so not a big deal that STo doesn't do it in my opinion (i don't consider Memory alpha crafting!). Both you do quests that mostly consist of repetative matter (is there a MMO that doesn't?). So although their settings are different, both follow the basic MMo formats, so I guess you can pick which ever one floats your boat.
Played LOTRO since Launch...Played STO since beginning of CB... LOTRO is light-years, I mean one million light-years ahead of STO in almost every possible way...But especially the Community... I don't care what was missing from the STO Beta, LOTRO is a better Game...Granted not for everyone...But a MUCH better Game than STO... Did I mention LOTRO>>>>>>>STO?
Which is why LOTRO has a very health sub rate (I think over 350k at this time), and STO will be extraordinarily lucky to maintain 100k a month after launch.
I can understand people not liking LOTRO (I didn't...combat felt awful to me when I played a couple years back), but it was definitely far larger, more complete, and a heck of a lot less buggy than STO is or will likely ever be. It also doesn't have an item mall in addition to P2P, and they don't sell you new zones one by one with STO will likely do if CO is anything to judge by.
I can't really comment on LotR, but STO was a bit of a disappointment. Starship combat is fun, albeit repetitive and with poor loot from destroyed ships, but I enjoyed it. Having all starship combat take place within 10k is very strange though, as surely the bigger ships with their heavier weapons should be able to deliver a punch at a much longer range - that's been the case in the games I've played, anyway. In Eve I can start long range attacks at 70 to 80k, and I'm sure I could do better if I was so inclined, and 10k feels like I'm eyeball to eyeball with the target. In the various TV series, some weapons are routinely fired at ranges in the thousands of kilometers. As an example**, in "Equinox, Pt. II" [VOY6], Voyager sneaks up on the rogue Federation starship Equinox. Janeway closes to a stated range of 30,000 kilometers, then orders their core targeted. Voyager then fires. Later in the battle the ship visually closes to point-blank range. I think ranges like that are not really suited for gaming, since in STO we seem to be using the Mark I Eyeball to assign targets, plus the fact that most battle zones are nowhere near that size, but 10k just seems... wrong.
Sector space - bin it. For the love of God. That, and the constant loading screens just ruins the immersion, and the immersion is fragile at best..
Ground combat was a tad uninspiring and repetitive, as well as a bit too easy. I eventually just stuck to doing starship combat, because that was more satisfying Ground combat would do OK, though, if it was just polished up a bit with bigger, more interesting maps, more varied objectives and a lot less of the random missions. Some better collision detection for the NPC crew wouldn't go amiss either!
The ingame economy will probably settle down when everyone gets familiar with items and their relative worth - I saw very basic weapon systems like Type I Phasers going for prices between 1,000 Creds and 150,000 Creds. Mind you it wasn't really worth buying or selling stuff seeing it was a Beta, so that may have affected the market.
In short, I won't be subscribing, as to me the price of the game and the monthly sub isn't worth the price for fun, but not as good as it should be, starship shooter.
LotRO was a huge dissapointment. Not because it was a poor MMORPG per se but rather that it in no way or form lived up to the HUGE Tolkien IP. The movies did, in some regard, with the almost 4 hour extended edition version but LOTRO is a joke if you compare it to the IP. Same thing applies to STO. I mean if you use a huge IP then expect huge expectations, that is just the way it is.
Or perhaps it's more a case of;
Huge IP = unrealistic expectations from a section of the "community" = sky falling?
That sums it up quite nicely.
People dream about these IP's and their supposed features.
Lotro, Conan, War, STO could only fail in this respect.
It doesn't look good for SW either.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
This really made me chuckle...
So if the majority of people want huge pvp fights, attacked while questing and big teams, how come games like DFO, DnL, WAR are struggling to retain even small amount of subs... and wait, you drag WoW into the ring, which until very recently only featured supersmall scale arena PvP? And how come the majority of players play on normal ruleset realms. If you have a grudge against LotRO because they chose to make it a quality, fun coop PvE game with steadily growing sub numbers, fine. But for the love of christ, swallow it down.
And Star Trek, while you may not be able to see it while blind with 'bohoo-I-wanna-gank-FFA-loot-sandbox-beam-down-kill-players', is not about "yay here I got some random starship let's fly somewhere". You're not Han Solo, as a starfleet vessel I would expect fleet command to actually give out _orders_ where to go and what to do. Expecially while at war.
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I'll say it again...LOTRO is a great game..imo. STO is very buggy..which I expected. It ran choppy ...expected. Overall I am still enjoying the ride. Ground combat can be fun..and Space combat is a blast. Customization is pretty extensive...as detailed as needed really. I've only played about 15 hours...so I can't fit it to my tastes until they attempt to iron out the wrinkles.
Some of the bugs were humorous tho...like when I went from space to ground team..sometimes it would not be my character avatar but my actual ship... could move it around on the ground..kinda floating like it was in space. ,,then vice versa...my captain would be floating in space on impulse power....lol. It was never very long before it would correct itself...I think the longest was almost a minute.
If they can refine the quest system a bit and allow multiple player crews per ship..and make it feel more like Star Trek. That would be great.. However...I never expected Cryptic to completely deliver on a 30+ year...multi series/movie/comic book/novel franchise...much less have an endless universe of planets to explore. Hopefully tho...with time.(the same thing that was needed to give us all the Star Trek media we enjoy now).. it will shape up to resemble what an unreasonable fan (of Star Trek and/or MMOs) would expect at launch. Again...this is of course...my opinion.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
WoW doesn't have open world pvp in all its severs does it? and Lotro has everthing WoW does doesn't it? .......If there's anything wrong with Lotro its that its too similar to WoW and there's no real marketing for it.
STO having open world pvp..... would definitely make for a cool experience but just like in Eve it should only be allowed in certain sectors e.g the unknown sectors of space. That would definitely be cool.
Most of pvp servers in WoW these days have huge faction imbalance, Illidan one of the largest PvP server in WoW you can go days without seeing a alliance in any of the zone. Even alliance side of Dalaran is a ghost town.
LOTRO is a terrific game, probably the best MMO around right now although WoW is terrific as well.
That said, LOTRO like most MMOs takes a while to learn the cadence. No MMO "feels right" at first. You have to give it time to see how it feels when it becomes second nature. Unfortunately (for some), this means investing time and money (albeit not really much of each) to figure it out. I give every movie 30 minutes before turning it off (last one I bailed on was Pinapple Express). I give every book 100 pages (last one I bailed on was Son of a Witch). And I give every MMO at least 60 days, figure 50 hours played. You can't get a sense of anything worthwhile without an investment.
One general request/complaint since this is the only post I am likely to make for a few months...can we get a filter where anyone who complains about a $15 monthly fee can be filtered out? Omg, $15t is cheaper than a 90 minute movie with popcorn. I am sorry but if you are so poor you care anything at all about a $15 fee you need to stop playing MMOs and focus on work/school to get a better job. Sheesh.
LOTRO has been out for a long time now. STO is still in beta. No way to judge how it will turn out.
Well LotRO had about the smoothest launch ever imo. It was working, balanced, lightspeed-fast and first of all, it was fun from day 1 - all the updates added to this, but the game was AAA right from the start.
I don't know about STO, I really hope it's just the usual 'QQ QQ QQ I want an open world sandbox ffa PvP electroshock mouse permadeath build my own phaser-empire'-trolls...
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STO is fun, but oh yes... has more bugs than the bunny.
I spent the final 5 minutes of the beta just now being locked out because my toon was stuck in a load screen crash. Finally logged in as a Klingon and just wandered around for a bit.
Fun, but buggy as could be.
Far as LotRO goes, IMO, it's the best modern MMO out there. It gives you everything without the WoW community, which is a godsend. Tons of downtime gameplay, tons of content, brilliant art and graphics... it's not the game I'd conceive of if I were to make LOTR, but, well, it probably gets more subs than mine would.
It is games like STO that make me appreciate how fantastic LOTRO is.
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I enjoyed the OB of STO very much. Most of you guys are impossible to please and complain and blast every game that comes down the pike. You will never be happy and no game will ever satisfy you, In the last several years the MMO crowd has become pathetic haters bad mouthing everything and complaining about all MMO's. In fact this particular forum has become saturated. Used to be a great place to come. No longer.
LOTRO is in no way as bad as STO. STO is a giant pile of baby diapers
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I would just love to know where this number came from. As far as I know, Turbine, who are the only ones who know the actual population numbers, doesn't release these facts. So, if you are going to make statements and try to make them look factual, maybe you should follow it up with links to your sources. Otherwise, your posts come off like those numbers, pulled out of your nether region.
Now that's a pretty wild generalization. Most people here? Really? You honestly believe that? I myself am not that hard to please -- the fact that STO fails in my book actually says a lot about the game. I've played a lot of MMOs in my time, and have enjoyed most of them.
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LotRO was a huge dissapointment. Not because it was a poor MMORPG per se but rather that it in no way or form lived up to the HUGE Tolkien IP.
The movies did, in some regard, with the almost 4 hour extended edition version but LOTRO is a joke if you compare it to the IP.
Same thing applies to STO. I mean if you use a huge IP then expect huge expectations, that is just the way it is.
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I enjoyed STO open beta a lot. If the game is the same in 7 or 8 months time, then the haters might have a point. But I'm certain they will keep adding and enhancing the game.
Like they did with CO, which is largely unchanged after 6 months and has about 10% subscriber base of release?
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Like they did with CO, which is largely unchanged after 6 months and has about 10% subscriber base of release?
I can't comment because I haven't played CO and I'm not sure how correct you are either.
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
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LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
ST-OL is NOTHING like Star Trek other than sounds and graphics. The game play does not allow for exploration, you can even vist a random planet and beam down, there is no functioning bridge and no world pvp. Not one planet has any random creature life forms on it other than those required for quest completion. These are the very essence of Star Trek so hwo the hell can you sit there and say "STO looks as if it felt a lot like ST" IT'S NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK read the forums, they have almost melted down with people complaining that it's a linear, hollow badly designed pile of shit.
You what? Deserted? Mate I'm sorry but the majority of posters here (Hint, we are MMO gamers) Have told you they liked Lotro. Thats a fact, not what you just spewed. Okay you don't like it, but don't make up crap facts about something you obviously have now shown you know very little about.
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I currently sub to LoTRO as my 2nd MMO back up to WoW.. I enjoy some parts of LoTRO then other, and I doubt I'll ever be a full time LoTRO player simply because I hate relying on grouping most of the time.. TY Skirmishes.. lol However, LoTRO is 500% more a MMO then STO is.. and I don't see STO ever being a threat to any of the MMO big boys.. I define big boys is having 200k+ subs or more..
Well it's because LOTR was a book I enjoyed and 3 films I enjoyed so I was really looking forward to playing this as an mmo. It turned out to be utter garbage for me, it had no atmosphere due mainly to the fact that is did not have faction based world pvp. There was no sense of danger when wandering around middlearth, I knew I was not going th be ganked by orcs, in the book and films people were being ganked all the time.
ST was a series I grew up with in the 70's and then bought the full TNG box set a few years ago, I am a real fan of it all. So as the game STO is noting like ST (other than by sound and graphics) I really don't like it at all.
Can you spot the link yet
2 huge franchises that I love and 2 shit games.
You realize that in the LotR books, nobody got 'ganked' all the time. Tolkiens elves and partially men are far superior to the orcs to the point where dozens of orcs fall from the hand of a single elf-prince. Plus orcs in Eriador (except Angmar, north downs and ettenmoors) would punch the Tolkien lore in the face. Plus: Tolkien never wrote about an orc culture or orc quests or orc huts, orcs are a generic, faceless evil, in fact the concept of a coop-game 'us versus evil' is perfectly in tune with tolkien lore.
It's funny how you 'lol-sux-no-world-ffa-pvp-electroshock-mouse-need' try to turn around every IP so it has to be free PvP to be worth anything.
And from what I can see so far, STO looks as if it felt a lot like Star Trek, let's see how this one turns out. I'm still on the "will be like LotRO"-train, with LotRO being an example of an extraordinary well-made game when it comes to capturing atmosphere.
LOTR-OL is utter garbage, it feels and plays like a single player game in a deserted world because the VAST majority of mmo players hate it and thats a fact, if not then it would be teaming with players and servers. Most mmo gamers are like me, they don't give a shit about the book they want action, they want huge pvp fights between orc and humans etc they want big teams, huge instances and plenty of loot. They want to be attacked while questing, they want the unexpected to happen, they don't want to feel safe all the time. WOW has 11 million players, LOTR has 125k I rest my case.
So wait... First you note how you enjoyed the books and movies and that's why you wanted to play LoTRO, expecting it to be "FFA World PvP.. blah blah blah". Then when it's pointed out that none of what you describe ever happened in the books, you resort to how you and "most mmo gamers are like you" (umm... speak for yourself), and don't care about the books, blah blah. So... you only cared about the books when you thought they represented what you wanted in the game... Once you were educated to the contrary, the books no longer matter, to you or this "most other gamers" that you claim to speak for. Got it.
Really nothing else needs to be said about the rest of your post.
And, I'll correct that statement of yours... "Most MMO gamers like you" would want all those things you mention. Most MMO gamers, in general, however, do not, as evidenced by the lack of MMOs that feature that type of gameplay. Many people like PvP in some form, yes... that is activities where players can compete against each other. However, the crowd that want "FFA anytime, anywhere world PvP with little or no restrictions" are a very small, but very vocal portion of that crowd.
WoW is a *poor* example of that argument as even WoW does not have FFA anytime/anywhere PvP on all its servers and, those that do have it, are the less populated ones, as has been pointed out.
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Played LOTRO since Launch...Played STO since beginning of CB...
LOTRO is light-years, I mean one million light-years ahead of STO in almost every possible way...But especially the Community...
I don't care what was missing from the STO Beta, LOTRO is a better Game...Granted not for everyone...But a MUCH better Game than STO...
Did I mention LOTRO>>>>>>>STO?
Personally i'd say LOTRO is the best pve fantasy mmorpg i have ever played.
If only the monsterplay didn't suck monkey-nuts it'd have been epic.
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Well at least this discussion actually has fans of a game saying they like it, thats a big improvement over the I hate crowd anyways. I played the beta on Lotr and the game functioned nicely and was pretty, I didn't like the character models of the dwarves and hobbits or the fact there was no Mordor side to play. Character classes seemed restricted to me so I went over to Vanguard instead. I like that game over LotR.
Trying to compare LotR with STo doesn't seem a fair comparison as they are in two very different settings. If you like one type of setting doesn't mean your going to like the other setting no matter how good it is. LotR graphics were hard on many machines so lag wasn't uncommon in heavier traffic areas, since STo is mostly instanced I can't say thats ever been a problem for me. LotR didn't have the crashes I experienced with STo although that has gotten much better. Ground combat is very similar in nature for both of them (standard MMO fare). LotR has crafting although I didn't enjoy doing it, so not a big deal that STo doesn't do it in my opinion (i don't consider Memory alpha crafting!). Both you do quests that mostly consist of repetative matter (is there a MMO that doesn't?). So although their settings are different, both follow the basic MMo formats, so I guess you can pick which ever one floats your boat.
Which is why LOTRO has a very health sub rate (I think over 350k at this time), and STO will be extraordinarily lucky to maintain 100k a month after launch.
I can understand people not liking LOTRO (I didn't...combat felt awful to me when I played a couple years back), but it was definitely far larger, more complete, and a heck of a lot less buggy than STO is or will likely ever be. It also doesn't have an item mall in addition to P2P, and they don't sell you new zones one by one with STO will likely do if CO is anything to judge by.
LOTRO Beta was light years ahead of STO beta. I won't even go on about the polished version of LOTRO
I can't really comment on LotR, but STO was a bit of a disappointment. Starship combat is fun, albeit repetitive and with poor loot from destroyed ships, but I enjoyed it. Having all starship combat take place within 10k is very strange though, as surely the bigger ships with their heavier weapons should be able to deliver a punch at a much longer range - that's been the case in the games I've played, anyway. In Eve I can start long range attacks at 70 to 80k, and I'm sure I could do better if I was so inclined, and 10k feels like I'm eyeball to eyeball with the target. In the various TV series, some weapons are routinely fired at ranges in the thousands of kilometers. As an example**, in "Equinox, Pt. II" [VOY6], Voyager sneaks up on the rogue Federation starship Equinox. Janeway closes to a stated range of 30,000 kilometers, then orders their core targeted. Voyager then fires. Later in the battle the ship visually closes to point-blank range. I think ranges like that are not really suited for gaming, since in STO we seem to be using the Mark I Eyeball to assign targets, plus the fact that most battle zones are nowhere near that size, but 10k just seems... wrong.
Sector space - bin it. For the love of God. That, and the constant loading screens just ruins the immersion, and the immersion is fragile at best..
Ground combat was a tad uninspiring and repetitive, as well as a bit too easy. I eventually just stuck to doing starship combat, because that was more satisfying Ground combat would do OK, though, if it was just polished up a bit with bigger, more interesting maps, more varied objectives and a lot less of the random missions. Some better collision detection for the NPC crew wouldn't go amiss either!
The ingame economy will probably settle down when everyone gets familiar with items and their relative worth - I saw very basic weapon systems like Type I Phasers going for prices between 1,000 Creds and 150,000 Creds. Mind you it wasn't really worth buying or selling stuff seeing it was a Beta, so that may have affected the market.
In short, I won't be subscribing, as to me the price of the game and the monthly sub isn't worth the price for fun, but not as good as it should be, starship shooter.
** Info from http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSW-WeaponRange-Trek.html
LotRO was a huge dissapointment. Not because it was a poor MMORPG per se but rather that it in no way or form lived up to the HUGE Tolkien IP.
The movies did, in some regard, with the almost 4 hour extended edition version but LOTRO is a joke if you compare it to the IP.
Same thing applies to STO. I mean if you use a huge IP then expect huge expectations, that is just the way it is.
Or perhaps it's more a case of;
Huge IP = unrealistic expectations from a section of the "community" = sky falling?
Or perhaps it's more a case of;
Huge IP = unrealistic expectations from a section of the "community" = sky falling?
That sums it up quite nicely.
People dream about these IP's and their supposed features.
Lotro, Conan, War, STO could only fail in this respect.
It doesn't look good for SW either.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.