TERA is BOT PROOF

Kaliber13

 

 

I've been reading some of these threads in the TERA section, and frankly im disappointed that no one has caught on to this yet. The game has a non-targeting combat system. How is a bot gonna know where to attack? I dont know how bots work but it seems impossible for them to operate in TERA. Correct me if you can.

Heres a vid of combat.... www.youtube.com/watch

 

Leucrotta

how are you gonna know if you cant target?

TheHatter

Oh, idk how are you going to know where to Aim? Gee..

Sovrath

Originally posted by Kaliber13


 

 
I've been reading some of these threads in the TERA section, and frankly im disappointed that no one has caught on to this yet. The game has a non-targeting combat system. How is a bot gonna know where to attack? I dont know how bots work but it seems impossible for them to operate in TERA. Correct me if you can.
Heres a vid of combat.... www.youtube.com/watch

 

 

I believe there were a few posters in that section who made mentio of the fact that a bot can still find its target.

My thought, not being a programmer at all, is that at some actual point, the player's attack will meet a point on a mob where it will register as an attack.

If a bot can detect any of those "points" within a certain vicinity then I don't see why a bot couldn't be made.

But that is just a guess. Someone with actual experience or knowledge would have to say whether I got it right or not.

drbaltazar

explain ! please! are you saying each time a player attack he as to aim his attack at the foe and he cant press we ll say TAB

to auto target the foe!so there is no actual target lock its all manually aimed attack !am i guessing correctly what you mean?

drago_pl

Yeah... and FPS games don't have bots... at all...

TheHatter

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I believe there were a few posters in that section who made mentio of the fact that a bot can still find its target.

My thought, not being a programmer at all, is that at some actual point, the player's attack will meet a point on a mob where it will register as an attack.

If a bot can detect any of those "points" within a certain vicinity then I don't see why a bot couldn't be made.

But that is just a guess. Someone with actual experience or knowledge would have to say whether I got it right or not.

 

Just because you have to look at the screen to see what it's doing, doesn't mean that a bot has to. Everything is in memory and can be read from there.

A bot in a game where there is no auto-targeting is actually going to be a better player than probably 95% of the people playing.

Kyleran

Originally posted by drago_pl


Yeah... and FPS games don't have bots... at all...

 

Mostly because there's no financial reward for having one in a FPS.........

It means the bot software will have to be more sophisticated, but as mentioned, the information of where the target is located is stored in the machine, bot can probably just read it and attack as normal.

 

Sovrath

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I believe there were a few posters in that section who made mentio of the fact that a bot can still find its target.

My thought, not being a programmer at all, is that at some actual point, the player's attack will meet a point on a mob where it will register as an attack.

If a bot can detect any of those "points" within a certain vicinity then I don't see why a bot couldn't be made.

But that is just a guess. Someone with actual experience or knowledge would have to say whether I got it right or not.

 

Just because you have to look at the screen to see what it's doing, doesn't mean that a bot has to. Everything is in memory and can be read from there.

A bot in a game where there is no auto-targeting is actually going to be a better player than probably 95% of the people playing.

 

Yes I know. I was saying "points" as some sort of recognizable area or mesh or perhaps even info for the bot to hook on.

Essentially a player's character is "somewhere" and the program knows where each player is. If a bot could identify or read this info as well then it could work. But again, I'm not a programmer this is just based upon a theory and guess.

edit: I just looked up aimbot (your link) and it's interesting. There are ways they can do it from a color of a pixel and there is even information regarding one that was made for quake.

Kaliber13

 

 

Sorry just realized theres another thread for this... whatever though. In TERA u cant target your opponent. U have to face your character in the direction the enemy and press a button or click or whatever they got goin on. Some poeple say its possible but im sure they get paid by Blizzard to put the game down because there scared it will rob them of there precious sleepless child askin for his momma to give him another 15 bucks  for crack, i mean wow. Either way, I just cant imagine seeing bots run amok in this one.

thinktank001

Originally posted by Kaliber13


 

 
I've been reading some of these threads in the TERA section, and frankly im disappointed that no one has caught on to this yet. The game has a non-targeting combat system. How is a bot gonna know where to attack? I dont know how bots work but it seems impossible for them to operate in TERA. Correct me if you can.
Heres a vid of combat.... www.youtube.com/watch

 

 

 

The problem isn't with combat game mechanics.   Korean developers and their like minded publishers just don't really care.   It is just a difference in culture. 

TheHatter

Originally posted by Kaliber13


 

 
Sorry just realized theres another thread for this... whatever though. In TERA u cant target your opponent. U have to face your character in the direction the enemy and press a button or click or whatever they got goin on. Some poeple say its possible but im sure they get paid by Blizzard to put the game down because there scared it will rob them of there precious sleepless child askin for his momma to give him another 15 bucks  for crack, i mean wow. Either way, I just cant imagine seeing bots run amok in this one.

 

Just click the link I posted in my first reply.

Bloodaxes

Sorry but they are not getting paid by blizzard what they say it's true.

In FPS games there's no auto target you need to manually aim but you can find aim bots that aim automatically to players so it's possible.

darkstaown

Even if there isnt a targetting system, on the server/client there is a code in the game that identifies the mobs like {%monster} and memory-editing hacks can recognize those codes and then easily find it when turned on.



As far as i know about progamming and games... there is no such thing as bot proof.

TheHatter

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Yes I know. I was saying "points" as some sort of recognizable area or mesh or perhaps even info for the bot to hook on.

Essentially a player's character is "somewhere" and the program knows where each player is. If a bot could identify or read this info as well then it could work. But again, I'm not a programmer this is just based upon a theory and guess.

edit: I just looked up aimbot (your link) and it's interesting. There are ways they can do it from a color of a pixel and there is even information regarding one that was made for quake.

 

Yeah, I really had no idea what you were saying in your last post. lol Sorry.

But yeah, XYZ coords are in memory and that's really all a bot needs. It's simple trigonometry to find out where the mobs are and how to get to them.

Bloodaxes

But anyway the video showed that the mobs also won't remain still while you fight them and follow you when you move far they have their routes too, hope it will be good

And also hope that it won't be another 90% pvp the rest pve.

Kaliber13

Originally posted by bloodaxes


But anyway the video showed that the mobs also won't remain still while you fight them and follow you when you move far they have their routes too, hope it will be good
And also hope that it won't be another 90% pvp the rest pve.

 

 

thats another thing i wanted to point out to some of these botters here. Also if you look at the vid, youll notice that the lancer was guarding alot. The enemies move around and they take a while to kill as well. I still dont see how they could hold their ground against such fearsome opponents

Leucrotta

if you can kill it, a bot can kill it

Kenaoshi

just add full loot, bot problem solved

shadow050

Well like its been said, Aimbots aim for the head usually, or they aim for certain colors (Runescape bot used color pixels). There will always be bots for games, until some software is created that can find these programs. Like Punkbuster lol. But wow does a pretty good job of keeping bots out, by, what i assume, buying the bots that are used and breaking them down so they can block them.

Distopia

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Yes I know. I was saying "points" as some sort of recognizable area or mesh or perhaps even info for the bot to hook on.

Essentially a player's character is "somewhere" and the program knows where each player is. If a bot could identify or read this info as well then it could work. But again, I'm not a programmer this is just based upon a theory and guess.

edit: I just looked up aimbot (your link) and it's interesting. There are ways they can do it from a color of a pixel and there is even information regarding one that was made for quake.

 

Yeah, I really had no idea what you were saying in your last post. lol Sorry.

But yeah, XYZ coords are in memory and that's really all a bot needs. It's simple trigonometry to find out where the mobs are and how to get to them.

Not to troll, but do those words even belong in the same space at the same time? Sorry, always sucked at math.

Cursedsei

Originally posted by Kaliber13

Originally posted by bloodaxes


But anyway the video showed that the mobs also won't remain still while you fight them and follow you when you move far they have their routes too, hope it will be good
And also hope that it won't be another 90% pvp the rest pve.

 

 

thats another thing i wanted to point out to some of these botters here. Also if you look at the vid, youll notice that the lancer was guarding alot. The enemies move around and they take a while to kill as well. I still dont see how they could hold their ground against such fearsome opponents

 

First off, posting with text much larger than normal doesn't make it look more official.

Second off, get off your Tera's-holier-than-thou rocker. Ooo the mobs can move back and forth, you obviously have not seen how intricate some botting programs can be. Glider was a popular WoW botting program that was able to play itself, could gather, could kill, could fly about and sell off junk, all on its own. You're saying someone couldn't code a program that will essentially tell itself to keep moving, spam "1,2,3", and use healing items when health >20%? The only way Blizzard removed Glider from the equation was by taking it up in court against them.

Also, calling us Botters and accusing us of being on Blizzard's pay roll, while you yourself joined today just to post this topic, is rather funny, not to mention hypocritical. Why would Blizzard be scared? WoW's 5+ years old, and they have all their A-team members working on the next MMO. WoW has been left in the hands of B/C-team people because frankly, they don't care. The bloody game probably pays for itself 5 times over every 6 months, and more than enough to supply the next game. They also have D3 and SC2, and well, the fanbase behind those games almost guarantees a huge sale first week. Why the hell would they give a damn about this game?

 

Oh, and XYZ co-ordinates are more along the lines of Geometry/basic algebra... =P

Adam1902

Sorry to say, but TERA will indeed eventually have bots. Although they definately won't operrate as as efficiently as current MMO bots, and (hopefully) won't anywhere near match the speed of a player.

Bots will be made.

Think something along the lines of an "aim-bot" from an FPS game, combined with your standard everyday MMO bot. I'm sure someone will do it.

drbaltazar

only way to make the game bot proof is to randomly ask every 5 minute or so to the player to press a letter or number if it isnt pressed within 15 second you get disconnected and the game revert you to how you were an hour before you got disconnected .

toddze

Saying something is bot proof is an open invition and most importantly considered a challenge to all botters to come and do it.  Good job genius!!!!

Sovrath

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Yes I know. I was saying "points" as some sort of recognizable area or mesh or perhaps even info for the bot to hook on.

Essentially a player's character is "somewhere" and the program knows where each player is. If a bot could identify or read this info as well then it could work. But again, I'm not a programmer this is just based upon a theory and guess.

edit: I just looked up aimbot (your link) and it's interesting. There are ways they can do it from a color of a pixel and there is even information regarding one that was made for quake.

 

Yeah, I really had no idea what you were saying in your last post. lol Sorry.

But yeah, XYZ coords are in memory and that's really all a bot needs. It's simple trigonometry to find out where the mobs are and how to get to them.

 

No worries. I didn't even know how to articulate what I wanted to say preciselly because I have no technical knowledge in this field. The link you posted certainly helped though!