I find both of these stereotypes to be totaly ridiculous, to a portion they're true? I think you mean to a certain extent, Those players if in game would be a tiny minority that you'd probably never meet. A DF player could not be destructive in LotRO because the game mechanics wouldn't allow for that kind of psychopathic behaviour even if he was so inclined. Even in DFO it's kept in check to a degree as there is retribution and others may punish you for your actions.
A LotRO player in DFO would for the most part get as bored and/or frustrated as a DFO player in LotRO would, no matter what fringe tendancies they may or may not have.
But the hilarious part is when you stereotype FE players as a bunch of uber hero studs that are just livin' the dream one head shot at a time. I mean seriously man, we're all a bunch of f***ing basement dwellers just slagging each other off here so don't try and convince me you're a better breed of basement dweller depending upon the MMORPG you play!
Oh come on, now you disappoint me. First, I put those :P and and in my post to show that it wasn't meant 100% serious. So please don't take it that serious.
And second: yeah you love DF. Whenever I see your name under a thread it's something about how great DF is or that someone should try it. And that's nothing bad, it's great that you enjoy the game and want others to enjoy it too. I mention this only because I guess I understand why you take it so serious when I say something that ain't 100% compliments to the game. Still you should be a bit more relaxed about that.
Third: To a portion or to an extent true? Who cares? You have to agree that different games attract different people with different playstyles and personalities. If now 40% of the lotro people are pacifists who dream of living on an ent or 60% of the DF people are aggro-madman, the exact percentages is something neither you or me can easily find out and which doesn't matter anyway. That a DF player can't cause as much mayhen in lotro than in DF.... that depends on the kind of mayhen. Sure, you can't attack random people. But the actions of the guy this thread is about are still the same possible, and would annoy people more since they'd have another mentality than those of the DF community. Which is, as I said, a good thing.
And fourth: why crying out so loud about the joke I made about FE people? It was a joke about FE people and not an attack on the others. I mean, of course the FE people are great. We've more hair on our chests than other people have on their heads. Our voices are whiskey-tanned and... now I'm out of cool sayings, but you get the gist. No seriously: don't take everything so serious. We're on the internets.
My apologies, I didn't realize that post was made in jest (hard to understand when reading on the internet). But TBH your most annoying and moronic DFO player could be no more irritating in LotRO than the most annoying and moronic LotRO player, stereotypes or not, don't you agree?
As for FE players having hairy chests, fine. But DFO players have bigger willies ... FACT!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Somebody's been scammed up the arse pretty bad in the past So many of you in this thread are just rampantly throwing around generalizations and displaying your obvious prejudices. The funny thing is some of these folks we're also complaining about some of the racist content found in the OP's link. Hypocrites. Way too many bleeding hearts on this site, holy crap. People so frail should really avoid internet forums, let alone a Darkfall forum. I would never pull a scam of any sort in a video game, it's not my style. The fact that the risk is there though, adds an interesting element to the game. Keeps ya on your toes. There are plenty of mmos out there for those who need to feel forever safe. Maybe some of you need to seek out the appropriate forums for those games. A lot of us enjoy roller coasters, it's just that some of us would prefer the ride minus the tracks.
....These are the kind of people who think abusing animals is funny, your mom would be proud you are trying to defend them.
More generalizations is what you've come up with, and you even refer to "These are the kind of people" and clump them into the category of beastiality. In addtion you mention my RL mother, and how she feels towards me.
Quit while you're ahead trust me.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Funny how people overeact to DarkFall yet doesn't seem to understand that it is ALLOWED. Does it sucks? Should it be bannable? Hell no (aside from the i's and L's exploit which AV are now banning), Is it fun to read someone talking about the various clans he scammed and how he did it? Hell yes.
Hate him all you want, but he did what he had to do and crushed those alliances from the inside. It's now harder to scam clans because the clans are more "aware" of this but it is still possible and will always remain legit. If you don't want to deal with this, well DarkFall might not be for you. It's a harsh world and getting your bank stolem in such way is 100% your fault. If you learned your lesson and keep on playing, good for you. If you quit? Well that's too bad but DarkFall isn't for you.
I hardly believe anyone in this thread says: Scamming is good. But it just goes to show how different and harsh the world of Agon is. Stealing the bank of whole clan and then attacking that Clan (which he did a few times from what I've read) requires a lot more strategy than stealing a WoW Guild's Bank. There's a lot more going on in Clan Warfare than you think and this is just an exemple of actions that can be taken in Clan Warfare.
I had a laugh about the post in the first few minutes. But then quickly realized for myself that this is not fun at all.
He used human good believe and trust to then exploit the DF programmed guild system. Without any consequences for him, he played the guild members, kicked them, flamed them and so on.
Now he is trying to have the laughs on his side, however I am not laughing. I would have respect for him, if there would be perma death (including account) in DF. That I would call courage! Then I would say: "wow this guy has gutts!"
However, this? This is nothing than highest pittyness and should definately be considered for a ban by the DF devs.
Nothing where you cannot be hold accountable, is worth being mentioned and proud off.
We have one person saying it's allowed and another saying it's not. I'm ok with either answer, but want to know for sure. Can anybody provide that? ~Ripper
I'll quote a few things from ForumFall.
By Mr.White
The support department let us know that they will investigate claims of character impersonation and scamming, and permanently ban the impersonator and any related accounts.
An example of this behavior would be a player creating a character using a similar name with the supreme general of a clan and using this tactic to gain access to the clan vault and take items out of it. In cases like this, the character will be banned and all actions and associations of this character will be investigated.
It's not possible to return items to their owners yet, so we urge clans to be very careful of impersonating characters.
By Laenith In reply to sweet_tooth
Q:So does this mean that the members of 420 guild on NA that created Brutal, and grimjaw inflamez, kill you, sweet tooth, novus seclor, are all to be banned. As they try to impersonate us, used our exact char and clan names, and have pretended to be us on several occasions to ruin our reputation. I have even received tells from kill you shortly after our xfers asking for bank access and to be promoted SG. Because this is exactly what you are describing. So we get our clan and char tags back and they get banned?
A:In this case the party that feels impersonated should submit a ticket to Customer Support so they can look into the issue and investigate this case and see who was impersonated by whom. I can't answer the question as to how exactly the CS team is going to deal with the issue.
But in theory this is pretty much what the policy is about, yes.
By Laenith, in reply to Darwoth
Q:what if an officer of guild x is named "jim"
and evil scammer y makes a character named "robert"
then proceeds to send a tell to officer z of guild x that "robert" is actually "jim"
A:In this case it is up to the players in question to verify if the person is indeed their friend. The policy is about trying to fake the in game name of another person on purpose to impersonate someone else.
The thing here is: You just dont invite anyone to a clan. Not even if someone claim to have alt or anything. Then they should login again and tell everyone they have a alt. It should not come as an surprise. And a use a password.
This is common sense. We should question why did the clans even invite him?
Atlest soon we wont be able to use other clanbanks. That will end those scams : )
The thing here is: You just dont invite anyone to a clan. Not even if someone claim to have alt or anything. Then they should login again and tell everyone they have a alt. It should not come as an surprise. And a use a password. This is common sense. We should question why did the clans even invite him?
Too many people in this is thread are too busy being self-declared "decent" people. With all of the "pfft. I can't believe grown adults could behave in a such manner in a game" broadcasting, it's likely their ears and minds will remain closed.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Funny how people overeact to DarkFall yet doesn't seem to understand that it is ALLOWED. Does it sucks? Should it be bannable? Hell no (aside from the i's and L's exploit which AV are now banning), Is it fun to read someone talking about the various clans he scammed and how he did it? Hell yes.
Hate him all you want, but he did what he had to do and crushed those alliances from the inside. It's now harder to scam clans because the clans are more "aware" of this but it is still possible and will always remain legit. If you don't want to deal with this, well DarkFall might not be for you. It's a harsh world and getting your bank stolem in such way is 100% your fault. If you learned your lesson and keep on playing, good for you. If you quit? Well that's too bad but DarkFall isn't for you.
I hardly believe anyone in this thread says: Scamming is good. But it just goes to show how different and harsh the world of Agon is. Stealing the bank of whole clan and then attacking that Clan (which he did a few times from what I've read) requires a lot more strategy than stealing a WoW Guild's Bank. There's a lot more going on in Clan Warfare than you think and this is just an exemple of actions that can be taken in Clan Warfare.
actually it isn't allowed, AV made a statement that impersonating characters in an effort to scam others is now a bannable offense.
i was referring to animal abuse as hurting animals not beastiality.
some people think kicking rabbits is a cool thing to do too.
I wouldn't care if it was WoW players but there is a special place in my heart for Darkfall players, they are a rare breed, and I dont like to hear of a single person quitting the game b/c AV didn't think to make counters for this. I want the carebears to enjoy darkfall too. For him to claim whole clans disbanded because of his actions is taking too much credit, he just tries to boost his own ego in anyway he can. Some people don't want to play games with hackers in them, nomatter how good the game is, I don't think you can say "well those people would have quit anyway". This guy will lie and tell all sorts of bullshit to make himself look good, these are these are the same type of people as the DF trolls who believe you are raging from the stupid crap they say.
There is no strategy in making a new character and impersonating another by chaing I to L and saying "hey reinvite me, I left the clan to craft for a while" and you don't have to be a total idiot to fall for it., its just abusing game mechanics.
your giving him too much credit, a lot of people know how to scam others and don't, they think its dispicable its not like its challenging.
go check out SBG forums and see what immature sorry sacks they are, check out their forums sigs and come back and tell me if you still think they are cool and clever guys.
Why don't you make a post about a guy who tortures cats, im sure some people would find it funny too.
After reading a few more posts, I want to clarify something: Meta-gaming- exploiting the rules/interface- is not the same as 'gaming', and exploiting simple trust. If someone ran a 'delivery scam' where they pretended to be delivering resources- got access to the vault, and instead stole resources- that would be a con within the context of the game, and acceptable (though weaselly)- but this 'easy due to crappy interface' impersonation scam? It's all about expoliting bad game design- and lack of knowledge about that design. Yeah- there's still a con going on & broken trust is the key- but Darkfall enables it themselves with their limited design. Worst of all, they look bad to anyone with a brain by not fixing it- and only marginally punishing it. And all losses remain lost- for everyone in the guild because of two people- the scammer, and the scammed. Anyone in a guild? Imagine all your crap stolen or given away while you were offline- or worse- while you were there. Maybe you had nothing in the bank- but now you get to find a new guild because someone in this one messed up. And you liked your guild...
its all fun and games untill it happens to you or your best bud quits because it was the last straw. Not that this happened to me but im sure it does happen. SBG camp newbie spawns in an effort to give new players a bad experience and make them quit. Madness is glorifying these people, way to go madness!
The guy has been lying to people. I don't see how this is an exploit.
He has used a tactic that has been used in other mmos like UO and EVE for years (every half decent guild knows about this), and the newbie unexperienced/unorganised guilds fell for it..... so what?
Yes, in Darkfall there are people who:
- come to gank a player 10v1 ... it's unfair, isn't it?
- there are zerg guilds who come with 100+ players to crush the small 10 player guilds... it's unfair, isn't it?
- ... and there are liars who will defeat the zerg guilds from the inside, it's unfair, isn't it?
Darkfall obviously isn't "barie land" mmo. There are good guys and bad guys.
its not a far strech from equating kicking rabbits to people who scam others for fun. I guess this just shows that you lack in the ability to introject, aka putting yourself in otherpeoples shoes.
maybe someone who was on the fence about getting Darkfall will read this and think that AV allows this abuse of game mechanics to scam people and see the player responses that think its so funny and not even bother trying Darkfall. Way to go in that regard.
Glorify shitheads much? I saw this video of a guy feeding a baby duckling to a large fish, some people thought that was funny too.
Instant fraud: You can pretend to be anyone- with as much provability as them. No worries about people 'recognizing' who you 'really' are- you never were. Non-persistant game presence. The 'real' character 'disappears' from existence. You are non-verifiable unless people have your home phone, or 'intimate' knowledge- which becomes less likely the bigger the guild. Opaque game dynamics: People didn't know that the supposed 'name change' would/would not remove guild access. In a sense, he was using 'heresay' to pretend to be mods & 'hack' access. It's one step removed from pretending to be a mod & asking for a password. Interface: Item weights/volume are neglected/minimized by the game dynamics, and thereby allow you to pack more than is reasonable. Transferability: You can carry the world and not look or act like it. No hand cart needed.
Worst of all is the hypocrisy- He uses trust and disbelief ('it's just a game- right? Who'd go so far?) to con people- then posts how he's so cool and they're such losers because of it. He's a lying, weaselly backstabber- destroying the hard work of many communities, and undeniably causing the game some revenue loss. And I guess the mods don't care. But whatever... Don't even get me started on the racist crap. That he's a racist as well is actually not suprising- the slippery slope of hypocritical morality lives in the same neighborhood. But that so many people here think he's 'awesome'- without reservation- that's kinda scary. Because for me, 'racist' would trump 'opportunistic an manipulative con man', when it came to my admiration. So. By any other 'realistic' measure of game design- this guy shouldn't have been able to do anywhere near as much damage. Hell- at least design in the need for a pack mule so people can wonder 'a little'. The main problem is that 'too late' is immediately after the mistake (depending on rank promoted I suppose)- all the rest is drama. Stupid game.
This was what I was thinking... but you need to admit that those people he scammed were a bit to welcoming.
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
So, the bottom line is that this type of behavior is explicitly prohibited by Aventurine and is a bannable offense. Good to know. ~Ripper
Thankfully it isn't completely prohibited. So we still have our sandbox freedom.
He approached the first 3 or 4 guilds by telling them that his character had been renamed by AV, and this isn't prohibited:
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Q:what if an officer of guild x is named "jim"
and evil scammer y makes a character named "robert"
then proceeds to send a tell to officer z of guild x that "robert" is actually "jim"
A:In this case it is up to the players in question to verify if the person is indeed their friend. The policy is about trying to fake the in game name of another person on purpose to impersonate someone else.
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I agree that the i/l tactic he used later on was pushing it. As it is now with the new rule it looks fine to me.
its not a far strech from equating kicking rabbits to people who scam others for fun. I guess this just shows that you lack in the ability to introject, aka putting yourself in otherpeoples shoes.
If I can't tolerate things that could happen in a video game, I find another game.
You can refrain from making RL judgement calls on members of the site. You don't really know any of these people well enough to drop any lines like that. You may think you do, but you don't.
But please continue patting yourself on the back and propping yourself up and proclaiming how much of a good samaritan you are. That much is entertaining.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Originally posted by daarco Good to know : ) Then i dont have to worry about spies.
Yeah, because no-one would buy/create a third account- just in case it's banned, and transfer crap from you, to it, to their main. Nope. And the account- when finally 'caught' and 'banned' still won't get you back your stuff. They don't return any of that. They could care less.
Had you been aware of anything regarding DarkFall and Aventurine, you'd know that Aventurine's policy regarding ban is "Ban the player, not the account".
The guy has been lying to people. I don't see how this is an exploit.
He has used a tactic that has been used in other mmos like UO and EVE for years (every half decent guild knows about this), and the newbie unexperienced/unorganised guilds fell for it..... so what?
Yes, in Darkfall there are people who:
- come to gank a player 10v1 ... it's unfair, isn't it?
- there are zerg guilds who come with 100+ players to crush the small 10 player guilds... it's unfair, isn't it?
- ... and there are liars who will defeat the zerg guilds from the inside, it's unfair, isn't it?
Darkfall obviously isn't "barie land" mmo. There are good guys and bad guys.
I'd address your comment, except for the fact that you obviously ignored what has already been explained- right after the line you quoted. I didn't say anything about 'fair', Mr 'straw man argument'- I talked about game mechanics.
Your game mechanics argument is pointless. The guy has been lying to people who were too stupid to believe in what he told them....
Originally posted by biofellis
Opaque game dynamics: People didn't know that the supposed 'name change' would/would not remove guild access.
etc...
Seriously... are you serious ? LOL.
And yes the guy in an ass, a racist etc.. as you say. I agree, so what? Do we need to whine on this forum because some guy has been insulting people on the internets?
oh im no good samaritain, I probably hate people in general much more than you. I called you out on your lack of ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes. Nowhere am i patting myself on the back and claiming im a good samaritan. What I see you doing is an act of someone with lower intelligence than me, a lack of an ability to introject and overwall weak mind, therefore I consider you less than me and part of what is wrong with the world. please pretend im entertaining you in a pathetic attempt to aggrivate me, it just shows how desperate you are and possibly a little upset about me calling you on your obvious flaws.
Oh you have been indirectly patting yourself on the back for a while now. If you are unaware, that's not my problem. If you think you can gauge my intelligence by some casual posts on an internet forum, again I cannot help you.
Aggravate? Your posts are coming accross as aggravated as a 14 year-old boy's acne.
P.S. thanks for pointing out my flaws trashburner, I am now an improved human being
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
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I find both of these stereotypes to be totaly ridiculous, to a portion they're true? I think you mean to a certain extent, Those players if in game would be a tiny minority that you'd probably never meet. A DF player could not be destructive in LotRO because the game mechanics wouldn't allow for that kind of psychopathic behaviour even if he was so inclined. Even in DFO it's kept in check to a degree as there is retribution and others may punish you for your actions.
A LotRO player in DFO would for the most part get as bored and/or frustrated as a DFO player in LotRO would, no matter what fringe tendancies they may or may not have.
But the hilarious part is when you stereotype FE players as a bunch of uber hero studs that are just livin' the dream one head shot at a time. I mean seriously man, we're all a bunch of f***ing basement dwellers just slagging each other off here so don't try and convince me you're a better breed of basement dweller depending upon the MMORPG you play!
Oh come on, now you disappoint me. First, I put those :P and
and 
in my post to show that it wasn't meant 100% serious. So please don't take it that serious. 
And second: yeah you love DF. Whenever I see your name under a thread it's something about how great DF is or that someone should try it. And that's nothing bad, it's great that you enjoy the game and want others to enjoy it too. I mention this only because I guess I understand why you take it so serious when I say something that ain't 100% compliments to the game. Still you should be a bit more relaxed about that.
Third: To a portion or to an extent true? Who cares? You have to agree that different games attract different people with different playstyles and personalities. If now 40% of the lotro people are pacifists who dream of living on an ent or 60% of the DF people are aggro-madman, the exact percentages is something neither you or me can easily find out and which doesn't matter anyway. That a DF player can't cause as much mayhen in lotro than in DF.... that depends on the kind of mayhen. Sure, you can't attack random people. But the actions of the guy this thread is about are still the same possible, and would annoy people more since they'd have another mentality than those of the DF community. Which is, as I said, a good thing.
And fourth: why crying out so loud about the joke I made about FE people? It was a joke about FE people and not an attack on the others. I mean, of course the FE people are great. We've more hair on our chests than other people have on their heads. Our voices are whiskey-tanned and... now I'm out of cool sayings, but you get the gist. No seriously: don't take everything so serious. We're on the internets.
My apologies, I didn't realize that post was made in jest (hard to understand when reading on the internet). But TBH your most annoying and moronic DFO player could be no more irritating in LotRO than the most annoying and moronic LotRO player, stereotypes or not, don't you agree?
As for FE players having hairy chests, fine. But DFO players have bigger willies ... FACT!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
....These are the kind of people who think abusing animals is funny, your mom would be proud you are trying to defend them.
More generalizations is what you've come up with, and you even refer to "These are the kind of people" and clump them into the category of beastiality. In addtion you mention my RL mother, and how she feels towards me.
Quit while you're ahead trust me.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Funny how people overeact to DarkFall yet doesn't seem to understand that it is ALLOWED. Does it sucks? Should it be bannable? Hell no (aside from the i's and L's exploit which AV are now banning), Is it fun to read someone talking about the various clans he scammed and how he did it? Hell yes.
Hate him all you want, but he did what he had to do and crushed those alliances from the inside. It's now harder to scam clans because the clans are more "aware" of this but it is still possible and will always remain legit. If you don't want to deal with this, well DarkFall might not be for you. It's a harsh world and getting your bank stolem in such way is 100% your fault. If you learned your lesson and keep on playing, good for you. If you quit? Well that's too bad but DarkFall isn't for you.
I hardly believe anyone in this thread says: Scamming is good. But it just goes to show how different and harsh the world of Agon is. Stealing the bank of whole clan and then attacking that Clan (which he did a few times from what I've read) requires a lot more strategy than stealing a WoW Guild's Bank. There's a lot more going on in Clan Warfare than you think and this is just an exemple of actions that can be taken in Clan Warfare.
I had a laugh about the post in the first few minutes. But then quickly realized for myself that this is not fun at all.
He used human good believe and trust to then exploit the DF programmed guild system. Without any consequences for him, he played the guild members, kicked them, flamed them and so on.
Now he is trying to have the laughs on his side, however I am not laughing. I would have respect for him, if there would be perma death (including account) in DF. That I would call courage! Then I would say: "wow this guy has gutts!"
However, this? This is nothing than highest pittyness and should definately be considered for a ban by the DF devs.
Nothing where you cannot be hold accountable, is worth being mentioned and proud off.
Just my opinion.
We have one person saying it's allowed and another saying it's not. I'm ok with either answer, but want to know for sure. Can anybody provide that?
~Ripper
I'll quote a few things from ForumFall.
By Mr.White
The support department let us know that they will investigate claims of character impersonation and scamming, and permanently ban the impersonator and any related accounts.
An example of this behavior would be a player creating a character using a similar name with the supreme general of a clan and using this tactic to gain access to the clan vault and take items out of it. In cases like this, the character will be banned and all actions and associations of this character will be investigated.
It's not possible to return items to their owners yet, so we urge clans to be very careful of impersonating characters.
By Laenith In reply to sweet_tooth
Q:So does this mean that the members of 420 guild on NA that created Brutal, and grimjaw inflamez, kill you, sweet tooth, novus seclor, are all to be banned. As they try to impersonate us, used our exact char and clan names, and have pretended to be us on several occasions to ruin our reputation. I have even received tells from kill you shortly after our xfers asking for bank access and to be promoted SG. Because this is exactly what you are describing. So we get our clan and char tags back and they get banned?
A:In this case the party that feels impersonated should submit a ticket to Customer Support so they can look into the issue and investigate this case and see who was impersonated by whom. I can't answer the question as to how exactly the CS team is going to deal with the issue.
But in theory this is pretty much what the policy is about, yes.
By Laenith, in reply to Darwoth
Q:what if an officer of guild x is named "jim"
and evil scammer y makes a character named "robert"
then proceeds to send a tell to officer z of guild x that "robert" is actually "jim"
A:In this case it is up to the players in question to verify if the person is indeed their friend. The policy is about trying to fake the in game name of another person on purpose to impersonate someone else.
This is when they declared the i's and L's issue illegal. For thread : http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=229030
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The thing here is: You just dont invite anyone to a clan. Not even if someone claim to have alt or anything. Then they should login again and tell everyone they have a alt. It should not come as an surprise. And a use a password.
This is common sense. We should question why did the clans even invite him?
Atlest soon we wont be able to use other clanbanks. That will end those scams : )
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Too many people in this is thread are too busy being self-declared "decent" people. With all of the "pfft. I can't believe grown adults could behave in a such manner in a game" broadcasting, it's likely their ears and minds will remain closed.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
actually it isn't allowed, AV made a statement that impersonating characters in an effort to scam others is now a bannable offense.
i was referring to animal abuse as hurting animals not beastiality.
some people think kicking rabbits is a cool thing to do too.
I wouldn't care if it was WoW players but there is a special place in my heart for Darkfall players, they are a rare breed, and I dont like to hear of a single person quitting the game b/c AV didn't think to make counters for this. I want the carebears to enjoy darkfall too. For him to claim whole clans disbanded because of his actions is taking too much credit, he just tries to boost his own ego in anyway he can. Some people don't want to play games with hackers in them, nomatter how good the game is, I don't think you can say "well those people would have quit anyway". This guy will lie and tell all sorts of bullshit to make himself look good, these are these are the same type of people as the DF trolls who believe you are raging from the stupid crap they say.
There is no strategy in making a new character and impersonating another by chaing I to L and saying "hey reinvite me, I left the clan to craft for a while" and you don't have to be a total idiot to fall for it., its just abusing game mechanics.
your giving him too much credit, a lot of people know how to scam others and don't, they think its dispicable its not like its challenging.
go check out SBG forums and see what immature sorry sacks they are, check out their forums sigs and come back and tell me if you still think they are cool and clever guys.
Why don't you make a post about a guy who tortures cats, im sure some people would find it funny too.
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its all fun and games untill it happens to you or your best bud quits because it was the last straw. Not that this happened to me but im sure it does happen. SBG camp newbie spawns in an effort to give new players a bad experience and make them quit. Madness is glorifying these people, way to go madness!
The guy has been lying to people. I don't see how this is an exploit.
He has used a tactic that has been used in other mmos like UO and EVE for years (every half decent guild knows about this), and the newbie unexperienced/unorganised guilds fell for it..... so what?
Yes, in Darkfall there are people who:
- come to gank a player 10v1 ... it's unfair, isn't it?
- there are zerg guilds who come with 100+ players to crush the small 10 player guilds... it's unfair, isn't it?
- ... and there are liars who will defeat the zerg guilds from the inside, it's unfair, isn't it?
Darkfall obviously isn't "barie land" mmo. There are good guys and bad guys.
its not a far strech from equating kicking rabbits to people who scam others for fun. I guess this just shows that you lack in the ability to introject, aka putting yourself in otherpeoples shoes.
maybe someone who was on the fence about getting Darkfall will read this and think that AV allows this abuse of game mechanics to scam people and see the player responses that think its so funny and not even bother trying Darkfall. Way to go in that regard.
Glorify shitheads much? I saw this video of a guy feeding a baby duckling to a large fish, some people thought that was funny too.
This was what I was thinking... but you need to admit that those people he scammed were a bit to welcoming.
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
So, the bottom line is that this type of behavior is explicitly prohibited by Aventurine and is a bannable offense. Good to know.
~Ripper
Good to know : )
Then i dont have to worry about spies.
Thankfully it isn't completely prohibited. So we still have our sandbox freedom.
He approached the first 3 or 4 guilds by telling them that his character had been renamed by AV, and this isn't prohibited:
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Q:what if an officer of guild x is named "jim"
and evil scammer y makes a character named "robert"
then proceeds to send a tell to officer z of guild x that "robert" is actually "jim"
A:In this case it is up to the players in question to verify if the person is indeed their friend. The policy is about trying to fake the in game name of another person on purpose to impersonate someone else.
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I agree that the i/l tactic he used later on was pushing it. As it is now with the new rule it looks fine to me.
If I can't tolerate things that could happen in a video game, I find another game.
You can refrain from making RL judgement calls on members of the site. You don't really know any of these people well enough to drop any lines like that. You may think you do, but you don't.
But please continue patting yourself on the back and propping yourself up and proclaiming how much of a good samaritan you are. That much is entertaining.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
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Yeah, because no-one would buy/create a third account- just in case it's banned, and transfer crap from you, to it, to their main. Nope. And the account- when finally 'caught' and 'banned' still won't get you back your stuff. They don't return any of that. They could care less.
Had you been aware of anything regarding DarkFall and Aventurine, you'd know that Aventurine's policy regarding ban is "Ban the player, not the account".
Your game mechanics argument is pointless. The guy has been lying to people who were too stupid to believe in what he told them....
Seriously... are you serious ? LOL.
And yes the guy in an ass, a racist etc.. as you say. I agree, so what? Do we need to whine on this forum because some guy has been insulting people on the internets?
Oh you have been indirectly patting yourself on the back for a while now. If you are unaware, that's not my problem. If you think you can gauge my intelligence by some casual posts on an internet forum, again I cannot help you.
Aggravate? Your posts are coming accross as aggravated as a 14 year-old boy's acne.
P.S. thanks for pointing out my flaws trashburner, I am now an improved human being
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb