I want to say I'm amazed but I'm not. There seems to either be a lot of people that just either stoped posting or were banned. That is what happens when you have very young (I think some mods are 18-20) fanboys of a game as mods.
If it was the one gm (more or less PR not a dev) who visits those boards that banned you that would be even worse.
The truth is, they don't want people to know how long the death xp is at 40 or the fact that it can't be removed in dungeons w/o perfumes or leaving the dungeon and making it back in time for repops due to the death penalty. It is also 100% necessary for doing heroics because (word of mouth on this one) you can only be teleported to the dungeon once a day and there is no Servant of Light there . It's also the reason the FoD doesn't start untill lvl 15. They want people to become ATTACHED to their toons so they are more likely to continue to play.
I would voluntarily pay for certain items like bags and such but when a game FORCES me to use the CS to be viable for certain things, when they stated they won't, I jump ship and they lose any money they would have gained from me and many others who feel the same.
I want to say I'm amazed but I'm not. There seems to either be a lot of people that just either stoped posting or were banned. That is what happens when you have very young (I think some mods are 18-20) fanboys of a game as mods. If it was the one gm (more or less PR not a dev) who visits those boards that banned you that would be even worse. The truth is, they don't want people to know how long the death xp is at 40 or the fact that it can't be removed in dungeons w/o perfumes or leaving the dungeon and making it back in time for repops due to the death penalty. It is also 100% necessary for doing heroics because (word of mouth on this one) you can only be teleported to the dungeon once a day and there is no Servant of Light there . It's also the reason the FoD doesn't start untill lvl 15. They want people to become ATTACHED to their toons so they are more likely to continue to play. I would voluntarily pay for certain items like bags and such but when a game FORCES me to use the CS to be viable for certain things, when they stated they won't, I jump ship and they lose any money they would have gained from me and many others who feel the same.
Yeah see they hide bans on the forums so even shows my status fine to others its not... Damn them I talked to one them GM's he does not know why I was banned but gave me a real email to contact them with.
Well people must see how much this pisses me off by the fact I have had an account on this site since 03 and have about 8 posts and 3 of them are in this thread. lol
Either post here why you were banned or send me a PM I am very interested. I believe it will be because of "advertising" your blog or some such crap.
Well people must see how much this pisses me off by the fact I have had an account on this site since 03 and have about 8 posts and 3 of them are in this thread. lol Either post here why you were banned or send me a PM I am very interested. I believe it will be because of "advertising" your blog or some such crap.
1) there is no need or even care you prove to you I am banned.
2) I really did not advertise my blog in fact it was link to here and the GM on the forums err forum MOD advertise his blog a lot. In fact even one of the dudes who uses the allods twitter told me I made a good blog post one time lol...
3) Even if I were to say advertise my blog and that was the reason the forum rules state that be a warning, a locked thread and then a suspend. Not a Perm instant ban.
4) I have been very vocal about the whole the devs said they would not cause gameplay issues with the item mall and the fear of death...
Hour later I was Perm banned.
I should not even have to explain my self you saw how this thread started with ohh the OP is a liar and you backed me up. I also been a member here since 2003. I have no need or want to lie. I want this game to work well and that is why I make a big deal out of Fear of Death since if it does not get nerfed or removed this game will not do well and may end up dying.
I don't want you to prove anything to me I want to know their excuse for banning you, I already believe you. With using the quotations on "advertising" I was saying they might try to use it as some lame excuse as to the ban.
I was saying this FoD is pissing me off so much that I actually bothered to post when I rarely do.
Just re-read my post, breathe, and I think you will see what I meant.
I don't get only one thing..... why people complain about f2p mmorpgs??? I have tried all of them including allods and all of them suck bad with or without cash shop. P2p are better in general and have support, and that summs it no need for further arguments. STOP feeding weak fee2play(cash shop) games is like buying cds or dvds from the street with crappy quality.
That's your opinion and that's fine but I enjoy f2p games because I don't feel the necessity to log in as much if I'm not paying the monthly service fee for a p2p. I also believe there are many quality games that are f2p just none that catch my interest atm and possibly not yours but not all of these games have low budgets and I can tell you allods is a lot more polished and such than many p2p games I have tried.
I don't get only one thing..... why people complain about f2p mmorpgs??? I have tried all of them including allods and all of them suck bad with or without cash shop. P2p are better in general and have support, and that summs it no need for further arguments. STOP feeding weak fee2play(cash shop) games is like buying cds or dvds from the street with crappy quality.
Wait.. The next biggest thing is F2P MMORPG's. I plan on investing time and effort and MONEY into Allods. But I also want it fair I don't want it to end up being one them games where I put in 15 a month and the other guy puts in 100 a month and gets things like better stats and blah blah...
It has happen and ruined my games in the past and is so unfair... F2P is the future and so why should we not complain about it. I mean it's our right and what right is it for you to tell us not to exercise our right to freedom of speech?
I want this game to win win win! But there going about it all the wrong way.
I have run private servers in the past and I know some really good magic to make such a thing work well.
I mean Mortal Online and Darkfall would have less money the Allods so yeah go yell at them
I'm pretty sure the OP isn't lying. The debuff time appears to increase as you level. At level 40 it appears to be about 40 minutes. Are you guys getting the debuff with a level 40 character? The gold cost to remove the debuff also increases with level. Since you receive the penalty in PvP (which should not be the case in a game like this) you are almost going to be forced to use the cash shop if you actually want to have any amount of gold on your character.
We were planning on possibly joining Allods online with a big guild (possibly 30+ players moving over). All of us were paying customers (our other possibilities are all P2P). If the patch sticks there is no way we are even going to consider Allods. You can call us whiners or whatever, but that's 30+ potiental paying customers Gpotato (and Nival) are going to lose. There are plenty of other large groups that don't plan on playing if this remains in either. It's a BIG deal and probably is going to effect whether this game is one of the more successful F2P or not.
Originally posted by Magnum2103 I'm pretty sure the OP isn't lying. The debuff time appears to increase as you level. At level 40 it appears to be about 40 minutes. Are you guys getting the debuff with a level 40 character? The gold cost to remove the debuff also increases with level. Since you receive the penalty in PvP (which should not be the case in a game like this) you are almost going to be forced to use the cash shop if you actually want to have any amount of gold on your character. We were planning on possibly joining Allods online with a big guild (possibly 30+ players moving over). All of us were paying customers (our other possibilities are all P2P). If the patch sticks there is no way we are even going to consider Allods. You can call us whiners or whatever, but that's 30+ potiental paying customers Gpotato (and Nival) are going to lose. There are plenty of other large groups that don't plan on playing if this remains in either. It's a BIG deal and probably is going to effect whether this game is one of the more successful F2P or not.
QFT a shit ton of people are already changing gears and looking to other games instead of planning on playing Allods. Entire guilds are moving their players away. It was also a really bad move to not have PR people either prepare the fans or have someone available to answer questions since the patch. With Open Beta supposedly starting in 2 days they had better move fast on a statement or it will be too late.
I'm pretty sure the OP isn't lying. The debuff time appears to increase as you level. At level 40 it appears to be about 40 minutes. Are you guys getting the debuff with a level 40 character? The gold cost to remove the debuff also increases with level. Since you receive the penalty in PvP (which should not be the case in a game like this) you are almost going to be forced to use the cash shop if you actually want to have any amount of gold on your character.
We were planning on possibly joining Allods online with a big guild (possibly 30+ players moving over). All of us were paying customers (our other possibilities are all P2P). If the patch sticks there is no way we are even going to consider Allods. You can call us whiners or whatever, but that's 30+ potiental paying customers Gpotato (and Nival) are going to lose. There are plenty of other large groups that don't plan on playing if this remains in either. It's a BIG deal and probably is going to effect whether this game is one of the more successful F2P or not.
QFT a shit ton of people are already changing gears and looking to other games instead of planning on playing Allods. Entire guilds are moving their players away. It was also a really bad move to not have PR people either prepare the fans or have someone available to answer questions since the patch. With Open Beta supposedly starting in 2 days they had better move fast on a statement or it will be too late.
It really does suck I mean they did some good ideas with the staff structure. For example most the GM's/mods are helpers only. Not only that there none bias helpers. Meaning AKA speak your own mind they don't flip out or ban you. Now I talked to the MOD's so I know it was not them and there trying to help me solve it. Really good people.
My point is the people who don't make a cent are better with the community and really nice yet people who get paid to communicate to us Do shit all. It makes no sense to me I mean communication is the key.
I'm still hoping for the best who knows why anymore but I just hope for it anyways.
Is 3.5 gold at level 40 that much money? I've only played up to 15 on my chars, but based on the amount of money I make on those, it doesn't sound that excessive for PvE deaths. I do feel that FoD should not apply to PvP and instead another penalty for PvP deaths should be in place if one is even needed at all.
First of all i was born in USSR but now I live in Europe, ive now read whole thread and i've read what comrades said at .RU forums and i totally agree with Kanechart.
Iam furious (as human can be over internet discussion) with all accusations of lie.. totally childish behavior.
Wish you good luck Kane, total support for your actions!
What goes for game, i'll pop in free beta key(after this thread i wish i had Global Agenda key instead of this Motherland mess) and see how it goes. Ive played original Allods back in ninenties, it got really cool lore..but for now it looks like we stole WoW and made it ala Russian version. Graphic direction was obviously ''Wowish cartoonish or it will not succeed''.
Originally posted by SagetheRage Is 3.5 gold at level 40 that much money? I've only played up to 15 on my chars, but based on the amount of money I make on those, it doesn't sound that excessive for PvE deaths. I do feel that FoD should not apply to PvP and instead another penalty for PvP deaths should be in place if one is even needed at all.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
Former xFire user... I only wanted a game tracker and messenger, not a screenshot taker, video recording, broadcasting piece of bloatware.
Is 3.5 gold at level 40 that much money? I've only played up to 15 on my chars, but based on the amount of money I make on those, it doesn't sound that excessive for PvE deaths. I do feel that FoD should not apply to PvP and instead another penalty for PvP deaths should be in place if one is even needed at all.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
I love how people like you have an opinion about lvl 40 gameplay and have not even played at lvl 40 yet. I'm not going to respond further but you will understand why so many people have a large problem with this when you are 40.
Originally posted by Incubus Originally posted by fldash
Originally posted by SagetheRage Is 3.5 gold at level 40 that much money? I've only played up to 15 on my chars, but based on the amount of money I make on those, it doesn't sound that excessive for PvE deaths. I do feel that FoD should not apply to PvP and instead another penalty for PvP deaths should be in place if one is even needed at all.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one. That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
I love how people like you have an opinion about lvl 40 gameplay and have not even played at lvl 40 yet. I'm not going to respond further but you will understand why so many people have a large problem with this when you are 40.
I love how people like you exaggerate every grave detail on something you disagree with to the point of sounding like a huge baby. Furthermore, you have no idea what level I am, how much I've experienced in the game, or anything else about me. Didn't your mother ever tell you it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt?
Former xFire user... I only wanted a game tracker and messenger, not a screenshot taker, video recording, broadcasting piece of bloatware.
Is 3.5 gold at level 40 that much money? I've only played up to 15 on my chars, but based on the amount of money I make on those, it doesn't sound that excessive for PvE deaths. I do feel that FoD should not apply to PvP and instead another penalty for PvP deaths should be in place if one is even needed at all.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
I love how people like you have an opinion about lvl 40 gameplay and have not even played at lvl 40 yet. I'm not going to respond further but you will understand why so many people have a large problem with this when you are 40.
I love how people like you exaggerate every grave detail on something you disagree with to the point of sounding like a huge baby. Furthermore, you have no idea what level I am, how much I've experienced in the game, or anything else about me. Didn't your mother ever tell you it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt?
Cheesy cliche and obviously unoriginal. Did anyone ever tell you that insults are the last resort of the intellectually impotent? Mine is original at least, but back to the topic at hand.
I know you're not lvl 40 because of your statement that it is not a big deal. You spend 1500G on a astral ship and massive amounts of gold on repairs from damages and tell me how much money you have. Basically my statement to you is that your opinion doesn't matter about end game because you haven't experienced it yet so your opinion is completely theoretical. Also as stated earlier it's not just the cash, it's the perfumes that also add buffs besides remove FoD, and its the fact the Servants of Light are not always in HIGH LVL ZONES. Meaning you will waste a lot of time running to find one to remove the buff. Is that fun for you? If it was PvE only it would not be that big of a deal but it's not.
If you wish to argue with more people I can direct you to these posts. Have fun telling them all that they are babies I'm done dealing with you.
BTW make sure you look at the "Down with FoD" avatars and sigs on those sights lol. I guess that all the thousands of players who tested end game pvp and pve are just being babies though.
Yeah kane, I understand where you would lose all interest being banned and all. I am getting to that point myself. I just wanted to spread the word, I'm not here to convince one person but to make a lot of people voice their opinion so they will hopefully alter FoD to an acceptable measure but I will just wait and see.
Yeah kane, I understand where you would lose all interest being banned and all. I am getting to that point myself. I just wanted to spread the word, I'm not here to convince one person but to make a lot of people voice their opinion so they will hopefully alter FoD to an acceptable measure but I will just wait and see.
Originally posted by Incubus Yeah kane, I understand where you would lose all interest being banned and all. I am getting to that point myself. I just wanted to spread the word, I'm not here to convince one person but to make a lot of people voice their opinion so they will hopefully alter FoD to an acceptable measure but I will just wait and see.
Then quit and stop posting. Seriously.
If this was a P2P game, those bitching about FOD may have a leg to stand on, but since it's not they don't. They game has to make money, and this is a good way. The game will survive with or without all those claiming that they'll leave with FOD. Most gamers don't have a clue about good game design and mechanics outside what they think they want.
And back to you questioning my level and what I've done in Allods. I know how much a ship costs, and I know how much FOD removal costs, and I'm still telling you it's not that expensive. You aren't going to be building a ship by yourself unless you are hardcore 10+ hour player with absolutely no life.
Why not spend $15 a month of perfumes if you are so concerned about FOD. That way, not only are you doing something constructive, like support a game you like, but you are able to live with the mechanic you feel is such a bane on it's users.
Former xFire user... I only wanted a game tracker and messenger, not a screenshot taker, video recording, broadcasting piece of bloatware.
Yeah kane, I understand where you would lose all interest being banned and all. I am getting to that point myself. I just wanted to spread the word, I'm not here to convince one person but to make a lot of people voice their opinion so they will hopefully alter FoD to an acceptable measure but I will just wait and see.
Then quit and stop posting. Seriously.
If this was a P2P game, those bitching about FOD may have a leg to stand on, but since it's not they don't. They game has to make money, and this is a good way. The game will survive with or without all those claiming that they'll leave with FOD. Most gamers don't have a clue about good game design and mechanics outside what they think they want.
And back to you questioning my level and what I've done in Allods. I know how much a ship costs, and I know how much FOD removal costs, and I'm still telling you it's not that expensive. You aren't going to be building a ship by yourself unless you are hardcore 10+ hour player with absolutely no life.
Why not spend $15 a month of perfumes if you are so concerned about FOD. That way, not only are you doing something constructive, like support a game you like, but you are able to live with the mechanic you feel is such a bane on it's users.
To think we don't have a leg to stand on because we aren't (yet) paying customers... Maybe you have a poor understanding of business. Let's say a car company offers an alternative car payment plan (this would never happen for several reasons, but we'll just say thereotically here). You don't have to purchase the car. For the first 10 miles you can drive the car free of charge. After 10 miles for every 10 miles you drive the car you have to pay a dollar per 10 miles total you drove that car. Eventually you'd be paying absurd amounts to drive said car. This is how Allods current F2P shop (and most F2P shops are designed to work). It really is a poor business model.
Similarly I read recently a news article about a company called FreeCreditReport.com which offers credit reporting. You can sign up for a free month, what the company failed to tell you was that it automatically renews you for a year under it's most expensive plan (and that you can get a free credit report that is literally free of charge once a month elsewhere). It now has over 11,000 complaints lodged with the Better Business Bureau, but I guess those customers have no right to complain since it does offer the first month free of charge, right?
If you log 30-40 hours a week $15 a month on perfume will only negate the death penalty about 20% of the time. The current system is designed to milk players in a way similar to scams are almost. Once you get to a high level you don't want to lose all your progress (the FoD getting progressively worse as you level makes this all the more dubious) so you eventually start spending money on the cash shop. Also before you start an agruement with us about how 30-40 hours a week is too much time spent gaming, I've also read an article where the average American spends 5 hours a day watching TV. That's 35 hours a week. 30-40 hours a week is not an abnormal amount of time to spend on a single hobby. Note that if you wanted to negate the penalty of the perfume whenever you are logged on (and well as be imbalanced in PvP with an unnecessary buff it adds to it) you'll need to spend $100-$110 a month on perfume bottles.
You should know the penalty isn't just about the gold loss. There are already plenty of gold sinks in the game though (getting other crafting professions, astral ship and repair costs, buying rep gear, rubies, etc.) so it hurts on top of it. It's also really inconvenient when you have to break up a party due to a wipe or PvP gank to go seek out a SoL. Not only do you have the normal downtime of wiping, you now have to go and waste extra time finding the SoL and getting the penalty removed (along with the gold loss).
The major problem is it's also on PvP deaths too. Often you can't control PvP deaths. Even if you had a near perfect group makeup there is still a chance a raid group can come along and gank you, or your ressing classes were killed even though you beat another group fully and had surviving members, and the ressing classes are still forced to get the debuff removed.
There is business in working with a well designed cash shop. Look at how much success League of Legends seems to be having. There are games with cash shops much less harsh than Allods currently and Allods would be a very well designed cash shop (it could use more cosmetic items would be my only complaint after FoD is fixed) if the FoD and perfume crap was removed. Saying we have no right to complain about it and insulting us really doesn't accomplish anything, now does it? Saying that we should stop posting here is laughable too, how about the defenders of FoD stop posting here (it's just as laughable for me to say this)? We honestly like the game and don't wish to see it take the current direction it has been. If they remove the FoD penalty I will happily find a way to donate $10 a month to the cash shop. If it remains the way it is now I have my right to complain.
I want to share with you what I said on the EU forums about rather then saying FoD sucks I rather talk about marketing issues FoD has caused.
Let me put it this way and I will do this as mature and clean as I can as I been banned from the NA server talking about this patch to much.
The patch makes sense but even if lets say it works out its really just not going to work out. Your now thinking okay this guys on crack *delete* let me tell you this as a business point of view.
On the NA server we know the population is big and on the Rus server we know the population is just as big if not bigger.
Fear of Death is known to NA, EU, and RUS.
When you hear the terms FoD or Fear of Death you get things associated with bad game, I quit, I will quit if it does not get changed, greedy and so on. Very nasty things do come from this term.
So my point is well at this point I think FoD patch needs to be removed and announced like flags up like a proud company saying we did what the people asked. This will not only get you a few blog posts and 1000's of happy customers but of course gives you more advertising and more perfection to your almost perfect game.
Think of it as this time as a marketing issue more of a user issue. You will soon understand with some googling the issue and such that its best to remove it and come up with a new mechanic in the future.
And if you guys not sure if you know this but do some exploring you will see the NA gets like 5 posts + a day locked up about FoD some ranging from 5-6 pages all the way up to 40 pages of replies. Then you check out the Rus forums you get polls with almost 2000 votes on something like 85% want it changed. Then on your own forums I know there has been a lot of annoying people saying QQ I quit bye.. Or there like I'm deleting my account. Can you even delete an account? lol
I hope this is a good none bias way to the issue. Instead of taking a side I want to take a marketing side. I want this game to be success.
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I want to say I'm amazed but I'm not. There seems to either be a lot of people that just either stoped posting or were banned. That is what happens when you have very young (I think some mods are 18-20) fanboys of a game as mods.
If it was the one gm (more or less PR not a dev) who visits those boards that banned you that would be even worse.
The truth is, they don't want people to know how long the death xp is at 40 or the fact that it can't be removed in dungeons w/o perfumes or leaving the dungeon and making it back in time for repops due to the death penalty. It is also 100% necessary for doing heroics because (word of mouth on this one) you can only be teleported to the dungeon once a day and there is no Servant of Light there
. It's also the reason the FoD doesn't start untill lvl 15. They want people to become ATTACHED to their toons so they are more likely to continue to play.
I would voluntarily pay for certain items like bags and such but when a game FORCES me to use the CS to be viable for certain things, when they stated they won't, I jump ship and they lose any money they would have gained from me and many others who feel the same.
Yeah see they hide bans on the forums so even shows my status fine to others its not... Damn them I talked to one them GM's he does not know why I was banned but gave me a real email to contact them with.
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Well people must see how much this pisses me off by the fact I have had an account on this site since 03 and have about 8 posts and 3 of them are in this thread. lol
Either post here why you were banned or send me a PM I am very interested. I believe it will be because of "advertising" your blog or some such crap.
1) there is no need or even care you prove to you I am banned.
2) I really did not advertise my blog in fact it was link to here and the GM on the forums err forum MOD advertise his blog a lot. In fact even one of the dudes who uses the allods twitter told me I made a good blog post one time lol...
3) Even if I were to say advertise my blog and that was the reason the forum rules state that be a warning, a locked thread and then a suspend. Not a Perm instant ban.
4) I have been very vocal about the whole the devs said they would not cause gameplay issues with the item mall and the fear of death...
Hour later I was Perm banned.
I should not even have to explain my self you saw how this thread started with ohh the OP is a liar and you backed me up. I also been a member here since 2003. I have no need or want to lie. I want this game to work well and that is why I make a big deal out of Fear of Death since if it does not get nerfed or removed this game will not do well and may end up dying.
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Easy bud I am on your side lol.
I don't want you to prove anything to me I want to know their excuse for banning you, I already believe you. With using the quotations on "advertising" I was saying they might try to use it as some lame excuse as to the ban.
I was saying this FoD is pissing me off so much that I actually bothered to post when I rarely do.
Just re-read my post, breathe, and I think you will see what I meant.
Well none the GM's know why I was banned. I sent a email they gave me but from the looks of their support I doubt I will ever get a email back.
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Well if you post on your blog and want it on their forums I might help you out
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I don't get only one thing..... why people complain about f2p mmorpgs??? I have tried all of them including allods and all of them suck bad with or without cash shop. P2p are better in general and have support, and that summs it no need for further arguments. STOP feeding weak fee2play(cash shop) games is like buying cds or dvds from the street with crappy quality.
That's your opinion and that's fine but I enjoy f2p games because I don't feel the necessity to log in as much if I'm not paying the monthly service fee for a p2p. I also believe there are many quality games that are f2p just none that catch my interest atm and possibly not yours but not all of these games have low budgets and I can tell you allods is a lot more polished and such than many p2p games I have tried.
Wait.. The next biggest thing is F2P MMORPG's. I plan on investing time and effort and MONEY into Allods. But I also want it fair I don't want it to end up being one them games where I put in 15 a month and the other guy puts in 100 a month and gets things like better stats and blah blah...
It has happen and ruined my games in the past and is so unfair... F2P is the future and so why should we not complain about it. I mean it's our right and what right is it for you to tell us not to exercise our right to freedom of speech?
I want this game to win win win! But there going about it all the wrong way.
I have run private servers in the past and I know some really good magic to make such a thing work well.
I mean Mortal Online and Darkfall would have less money the Allods so yeah go yell at them
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I'm pretty sure the OP isn't lying. The debuff time appears to increase as you level. At level 40 it appears to be about 40 minutes. Are you guys getting the debuff with a level 40 character? The gold cost to remove the debuff also increases with level. Since you receive the penalty in PvP (which should not be the case in a game like this) you are almost going to be forced to use the cash shop if you actually want to have any amount of gold on your character.
We were planning on possibly joining Allods online with a big guild (possibly 30+ players moving over). All of us were paying customers (our other possibilities are all P2P). If the patch sticks there is no way we are even going to consider Allods. You can call us whiners or whatever, but that's 30+ potiental paying customers Gpotato (and Nival) are going to lose. There are plenty of other large groups that don't plan on playing if this remains in either. It's a BIG deal and probably is going to effect whether this game is one of the more successful F2P or not.
QFT a shit ton of people are already changing gears and looking to other games instead of planning on playing Allods. Entire guilds are moving their players away. It was also a really bad move to not have PR people either prepare the fans or have someone available to answer questions since the patch. With Open Beta supposedly starting in 2 days they had better move fast on a statement or it will be too late.
QFT a shit ton of people are already changing gears and looking to other games instead of planning on playing Allods. Entire guilds are moving their players away. It was also a really bad move to not have PR people either prepare the fans or have someone available to answer questions since the patch. With Open Beta supposedly starting in 2 days they had better move fast on a statement or it will be too late.
It really does suck I mean they did some good ideas with the staff structure. For example most the GM's/mods are helpers only. Not only that there none bias helpers. Meaning AKA speak your own mind they don't flip out or ban you. Now I talked to the MOD's so I know it was not them and there trying to help me solve it. Really good people.
My point is the people who don't make a cent are better with the community and really nice yet people who get paid to communicate to us Do shit all. It makes no sense to me I mean communication is the key.
I'm still hoping for the best who knows why anymore but I just hope for it anyways.
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Is 3.5 gold at level 40 that much money? I've only played up to 15 on my chars, but based on the amount of money I make on those, it doesn't sound that excessive for PvE deaths. I do feel that FoD should not apply to PvP and instead another penalty for PvP deaths should be in place if one is even needed at all.
Hello,
My first post here, hail everyone
First of all i was born in USSR but now I live in Europe, ive now read whole thread and i've read what comrades said at .RU forums and i totally agree with Kanechart.
Iam furious (as human can be over internet discussion) with all accusations of lie.. totally childish behavior.
Wish you good luck Kane, total support for your actions!
What goes for game, i'll pop in free beta key(after this thread i wish i had Global Agenda key instead of this Motherland mess) and see how it goes. Ive played original Allods back in ninenties, it got really cool lore..but for now it looks like we stole WoW and made it ala Russian version. Graphic direction was obviously ''Wowish cartoonish or it will not succeed''.
Cheers!
Ps. Fear of Death is pathetic attempt..
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
Former xFire user... I only wanted a game tracker and messenger, not a screenshot taker, video recording, broadcasting piece of bloatware.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
I love how people like you have an opinion about lvl 40 gameplay and have not even played at lvl 40 yet. I'm not going to respond further but you will understand why so many people have a large problem with this when you are 40.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
I love how people like you have an opinion about lvl 40 gameplay and have not even played at lvl 40 yet. I'm not going to respond further but you will understand why so many people have a large problem with this when you are 40.
I love how people like you exaggerate every grave detail on something you disagree with to the point of sounding like a huge baby. Furthermore, you have no idea what level I am, how much I've experienced in the game, or anything else about me. Didn't your mother ever tell you it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt?
Former xFire user... I only wanted a game tracker and messenger, not a screenshot taker, video recording, broadcasting piece of bloatware.
It's not a lot of money, they are mainly bitching about the inconvenience. If you are in a raid, Servants of Light aren't numerous so you'd have to run back to town to speak to one.
That said, I think it's being blown way out of proportion. Finally an MMO with a death penalty that hurts and everyone cries like little babies.
I love how people like you have an opinion about lvl 40 gameplay and have not even played at lvl 40 yet. I'm not going to respond further but you will understand why so many people have a large problem with this when you are 40.
I love how people like you exaggerate every grave detail on something you disagree with to the point of sounding like a huge baby. Furthermore, you have no idea what level I am, how much I've experienced in the game, or anything else about me. Didn't your mother ever tell you it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt?
Cheesy cliche and obviously unoriginal. Did anyone ever tell you that insults are the last resort of the intellectually impotent? Mine is original at least, but back to the topic at hand.
I know you're not lvl 40 because of your statement that it is not a big deal. You spend 1500G on a astral ship and massive amounts of gold on repairs from damages and tell me how much money you have. Basically my statement to you is that your opinion doesn't matter about end game because you haven't experienced it yet so your opinion is completely theoretical. Also as stated earlier it's not just the cash, it's the perfumes that also add buffs besides remove FoD, and its the fact the Servants of Light are not always in HIGH LVL ZONES. Meaning you will waste a lot of time running to find one to remove the buff. Is that fun for you? If it was PvE only it would not be that big of a deal but it's not.
If you wish to argue with more people I can direct you to these posts. Have fun telling them all that they are babies I'm done dealing with you.
Allods official Us
http://allods-forum.gpotato.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6220&sid=2eeee633e7d2a22a2cf5c2faea91442c
http://allods-forum.gpotato.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6311&sid=2eeee633e7d2a22a2cf5c2faea91442c
http://allods-forum.gpotato.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6203&sid=2eeee633e7d2a22a2cf5c2faea91442c
Allods official EU
http://en.forum.gpotato.eu/?CD=ALLODS_EN_F004&TC=0000000000&MD=VT&US=Y&AS=Y&TNO=50276&LREFF=http%3A%2F%2Fen.forum.gpotato.eu%2FIndex.aspx%3FCD%3DALLODS_EN_F004
http://en.forum.gpotato.eu/?CD=ALLODS_EN_F004&TC=0000000000&MD=VT&US=Y&AS=Y&TNO=50374&LREFF=http%3A%2F%2Fen.forum.gpotato.eu%2FIndex.aspx%3FCD%3DALLODS_EN_F004
RUS (think you might like that poll)
http://forum.allods.ru/showthread.php?t=47120
BTW make sure you look at the "Down with FoD" avatars and sigs on those sights lol. I guess that all the thousands of players who tested end game pvp and pve are just being babies though.
Sorry I can't support anymore it's not even a big deal to me where I have my own issues of being banned from it hehe
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Yeah kane, I understand where you would lose all interest being banned and all. I am getting to that point myself. I just wanted to spread the word, I'm not here to convince one person but to make a lot of people voice their opinion so they will hopefully alter FoD to an acceptable measure but I will just wait and see.
here have fun google this stuff:
fear of death 2010 (check 2nd site)
fear of death allods (of course number 1)
allods banned (they must hate me lol)
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Then quit and stop posting. Seriously.
If this was a P2P game, those bitching about FOD may have a leg to stand on, but since it's not they don't. They game has to make money, and this is a good way. The game will survive with or without all those claiming that they'll leave with FOD. Most gamers don't have a clue about good game design and mechanics outside what they think they want.
And back to you questioning my level and what I've done in Allods. I know how much a ship costs, and I know how much FOD removal costs, and I'm still telling you it's not that expensive. You aren't going to be building a ship by yourself unless you are hardcore 10+ hour player with absolutely no life.
Why not spend $15 a month of perfumes if you are so concerned about FOD. That way, not only are you doing something constructive, like support a game you like, but you are able to live with the mechanic you feel is such a bane on it's users.
Former xFire user... I only wanted a game tracker and messenger, not a screenshot taker, video recording, broadcasting piece of bloatware.
Then quit and stop posting. Seriously.
If this was a P2P game, those bitching about FOD may have a leg to stand on, but since it's not they don't. They game has to make money, and this is a good way. The game will survive with or without all those claiming that they'll leave with FOD. Most gamers don't have a clue about good game design and mechanics outside what they think they want.
And back to you questioning my level and what I've done in Allods. I know how much a ship costs, and I know how much FOD removal costs, and I'm still telling you it's not that expensive. You aren't going to be building a ship by yourself unless you are hardcore 10+ hour player with absolutely no life.
Why not spend $15 a month of perfumes if you are so concerned about FOD. That way, not only are you doing something constructive, like support a game you like, but you are able to live with the mechanic you feel is such a bane on it's users.
To think we don't have a leg to stand on because we aren't (yet) paying customers... Maybe you have a poor understanding of business. Let's say a car company offers an alternative car payment plan (this would never happen for several reasons, but we'll just say thereotically here). You don't have to purchase the car. For the first 10 miles you can drive the car free of charge. After 10 miles for every 10 miles you drive the car you have to pay a dollar per 10 miles total you drove that car. Eventually you'd be paying absurd amounts to drive said car. This is how Allods current F2P shop (and most F2P shops are designed to work). It really is a poor business model.
Similarly I read recently a news article about a company called FreeCreditReport.com which offers credit reporting. You can sign up for a free month, what the company failed to tell you was that it automatically renews you for a year under it's most expensive plan (and that you can get a free credit report that is literally free of charge once a month elsewhere). It now has over 11,000 complaints lodged with the Better Business Bureau, but I guess those customers have no right to complain since it does offer the first month free of charge, right?
If you log 30-40 hours a week $15 a month on perfume will only negate the death penalty about 20% of the time. The current system is designed to milk players in a way similar to scams are almost. Once you get to a high level you don't want to lose all your progress (the FoD getting progressively worse as you level makes this all the more dubious) so you eventually start spending money on the cash shop. Also before you start an agruement with us about how 30-40 hours a week is too much time spent gaming, I've also read an article where the average American spends 5 hours a day watching TV. That's 35 hours a week. 30-40 hours a week is not an abnormal amount of time to spend on a single hobby. Note that if you wanted to negate the penalty of the perfume whenever you are logged on (and well as be imbalanced in PvP with an unnecessary buff it adds to it) you'll need to spend $100-$110 a month on perfume bottles.
You should know the penalty isn't just about the gold loss. There are already plenty of gold sinks in the game though (getting other crafting professions, astral ship and repair costs, buying rep gear, rubies, etc.) so it hurts on top of it. It's also really inconvenient when you have to break up a party due to a wipe or PvP gank to go seek out a SoL. Not only do you have the normal downtime of wiping, you now have to go and waste extra time finding the SoL and getting the penalty removed (along with the gold loss).
The major problem is it's also on PvP deaths too. Often you can't control PvP deaths. Even if you had a near perfect group makeup there is still a chance a raid group can come along and gank you, or your ressing classes were killed even though you beat another group fully and had surviving members, and the ressing classes are still forced to get the debuff removed.
There is business in working with a well designed cash shop. Look at how much success League of Legends seems to be having. There are games with cash shops much less harsh than Allods currently and Allods would be a very well designed cash shop (it could use more cosmetic items would be my only complaint after FoD is fixed) if the FoD and perfume crap was removed. Saying we have no right to complain about it and insulting us really doesn't accomplish anything, now does it? Saying that we should stop posting here is laughable too, how about the defenders of FoD stop posting here (it's just as laughable for me to say this)? We honestly like the game and don't wish to see it take the current direction it has been. If they remove the FoD penalty I will happily find a way to donate $10 a month to the cash shop. If it remains the way it is now I have my right to complain.
I want to share with you what I said on the EU forums about rather then saying FoD sucks I rather talk about marketing issues FoD has caused.
Let me put it this way and I will do this as mature and clean as I can as I been banned from the NA server talking about this patch to much.
The patch makes sense but even if lets say it works out its really just not going to work out. Your now thinking okay this guys on crack *delete* let me tell you this as a business point of view.
On the NA server we know the population is big and on the Rus server we know the population is just as big if not bigger.
Fear of Death is known to NA, EU, and RUS.
When you hear the terms FoD or Fear of Death you get things associated with bad game, I quit, I will quit if it does not get changed, greedy and so on. Very nasty things do come from this term.
So my point is well at this point I think FoD patch needs to be removed and announced like flags up like a proud company saying we did what the people asked. This will not only get you a few blog posts and 1000's of happy customers but of course gives you more advertising and more perfection to your almost perfect game.
Think of it as this time as a marketing issue more of a user issue. You will soon understand with some googling the issue and such that its best to remove it and come up with a new mechanic in the future.
And if you guys not sure if you know this but do some exploring you will see the NA gets like 5 posts + a day locked up about FoD some ranging from 5-6 pages all the way up to 40 pages of replies. Then you check out the Rus forums you get polls with almost 2000 votes on something like 85% want it changed. Then on your own forums I know there has been a lot of annoying people saying QQ I quit bye.. Or there like I'm deleting my account. Can you even delete an account? lol
I hope this is a good none bias way to the issue. Instead of taking a side I want to take a marketing side. I want this game to be success.
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