Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator? BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem. M
Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.
I feel bad for the people who bought Lifetime Subscriptions and are going to get nickle-and-dimed to death from the add-ons that should be free.
I don't. Not one tiny bit. Not after all the warnings we gave them.
I hate that Cryptic is going to make money from them, though.
The people that read these forums. Yes, for those I feel ZERO pitty. They had plenty of red flags and warnings.
The people who I feel sorry for, are the unaware Star Trek fans, that were lured in and seduced by false advertisement into buying a lifetime sub. Unaware fans that have no experience with MMO's and Cryptic itself.
For those I feel truly sorry. As they paid $230 dollars upfront in a belief Cryptic would deliver them a finished product that lived up to the expectations of what the Star Trek IP deserved. Only to find themselves in a deserted game when the first month is up and $300 wasted (as lifers still need to buy the retail box as well).
Well Cryptic can only burn so many players before they become like SOE and have to make new games for entirely new generations of gamers like Free Realms and their marketing to young teens. Cryptic can't pull this greedy crap forever. I am sure Bill Roper will continue to slime his way around through different companies and somehow head up different projects and do the same crap. I don't understand why these asshats keep getting jobs.
hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?
hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?
hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?
Why would I play a mediocre game and pay for stuff I get for free in other MMO's? If this game was WOWAWESOMEAMAZING then OK, I can see hooking people for stuff like that but this game is crap. Keep in mind that a company that in its last 2 games has been money grubbing will continue to do that in the games life cycle and you will pay for many more things that most MMO's do not charge extra for...better MMO's at that. This is just the beginning...
hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?
Money moves when a product is needed or desirable. People will buy such product in the best form available. Something that is lacking in one way or another will not sell as well as the complete package even though it may often times be cheaper. As one poster commented, why pay for extras when the extras come as standard equipment in other games? While some may think a game is "needed" it falls into the category of "desirable" and this game with its features lacking without more payment, is not desirable to us capitalist Americans that like more bang for our buck.
Its no different than what companies are doing with console video games. Day 1 DLC is all the rage now. Let's not act like Cryptic is the first evil or anything. Some call it evolution, others call it a greed. Makes for good conversation.
those game that offer DLC dont have a monthly fee, except STO/CO then.
Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator? BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem. M
Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.
Well one could argue that the racial traits don't have such a huge impact on gameplay anyways, otherwise everyone would choose race X for a tactical captain + escort while in reality there are quite a lot of nice traits to choose from.
No I was actually talking about looks. I can't imagine anyone would buy the races for the skillset that comes with them. You can still create an alien race that looks like a Klingon or a Ferengi, so why on earth would I spend Cryptic Points on this?
M
Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.
I have never seen so much over exaggerated hate posts about a game as STO. Seems like a major campaign to defame a game. This OP is just another in a long line of BS.
You don't need to buy any faction. It don't take much to unlock them, so wipe the tears and pocket your hate spam.
Cryptic already stated they will not RMT anything that effects the game. What they are selling is just skins for your crew.
There are quite a few red warning flags on this game now, i have to wonder really, when a company in the MMO industry survives by its reputation.. is cryptic feeling desperately suicidal lately ?
It all started when they hired these suits (like Bill Roper) from Flagship Studios when it went down under.
These greedy suits don't give a damn they will run the company in the ground (just like they ran Flagship Studios into the ground).
By the time Cryptic is finished and out of bussiness, these suits have already enriched themselves with big fat bonusses over the backs of their own employees and the customers who blindly stepped into their traps of greed! By buying lifetime subs, longterm subs. Hence, everyone stupid enough to buy the retail box.
Cheers
Besides Bill Roper I don't know any other former flagship employees at Cryptic, and Roper only works on Champions, not STO. Incidentally, the champs community has nicknamed him "dolla bill" or "dirty dolla."
But Bill was only installed to distract everyone from the true devil: John Needham, CEO of Cryptic Studios, and former VP of SOE circa 2001. Cryptic is not just acting like Sony, it really is the same person in charge. Even his name, "Needham", sounds like what you would call the greediest guy in the medieval village.
This STO situation is mind-boggling even for a CO fan like me, STO is easily surpassing CO as the most expensive pretend-economy MMO out there. At launch the CO store had a few vanity pets for one dollar each, but this offering shows an exponential growth in greed. Cryptic points are 80 / dollar. Basically their plan is to make fanboy MMOs for small audiences and then milk that small customer base for lots of extra cash.
Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.
Champions Online isn't F2P (yet) and it has $12.50 respecs in the store.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Considering Cryptic's absolute failure at launching Champions Online and their launch day "debacle" with that game you'd think the folks running the show would have figured out how this was going to go over. Sadly, some day we're going to be remembering when Cryptic developed MMO's because they're going to run themselves out of business if they keep *ucking this stuff up. I really don't care about this that much but I personally think this is just a precursor to them "announcing" that respecs of your skill points will only be offered via C-Store purchase. If they aren't planning on doing this then there is absolutely no excuse for not having respecs in the game already. The engine for STO and a great deal of the game is just ripped off from CO and they had a functional respec system in CO at launch. It isn't like it should be hard for them to code and implement that system now, unless oh wait they are going to get as many initial orders on the game as they can, make as much money up front as they can, and then drop this little gem after the initial free 30 days have ended.
P.S. Can the MMORPG staff please sticky this post so that I can reference it when I'm right? thanks =P
Assuming you play...they couldn't even keep the servers up for headstart...has to be horrible now
Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.
Champions Online isn't F2P (yet) and it has $12.50 respecs in the store.
which are given out with major patches and (they say) will be aviable in game like That Other Super Hero MMO, one day.
Actually since launch the servers have been stable and i get no lag at all. Also btw they say that there going to be updating the game every couple weeks! not like Darkfall where it takes 4-6 months for a patch
Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator? BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem. M
Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.
Well one could argue that the racial traits don't have such a huge impact on gameplay anyways...
Yes, one could argue that, but one would be wrong. Despite the size of the impact, there is an impact. These are clearly not just cosmetic items.
Rofl, I am not surpised and all the folks are going omg. tried to warn you guys rofl. Pay a sub and then get nickle and dimed to death like its a f2p game. Totaly epic fail.
I think a company has a right to make money any way they choose. However what I don't get with Cryptic is why they anger people by not telling them the plans, and then springing these surprises on them invokes a natural angry reaction.
If they had just said months agao exactly what they had planned to sell via their MT store then I can't imagine anyone would have a major valid issue with it.
The problem is that Cryptic seem so afraid of advance negative press that they would rather deal with the s**t storm that results from these unannounced additions.
I think if they had just been up front about it all, none of this would be an issue.
I like the game...despite awaiting response from Gametap as to why my activation key was not included in their email today or available on their account .......I do think adding c-store races on the first day is a bit ridiculous.
Heh... Cryptic always innovates. Wish they used their creativity more on game content instead of revenue content though, especially at the SAME day of release.
I think a company has a right to make money any way they choose. However what I don't get with Cryptic is why they anger people by not telling them the plans, and then springing these surprises on them invokes a natural angry reaction. If they had just said months agao exactly what they had planned to sell via their MT store then I can't imagine anyone would have a major valid issue with it. The problem is that Cryptic seem so afraid of advance negative press that they would rather deal with the s**t storm that results from these unannounced additions. I think if they had just been up front about it all, none of this would be an issue.
Not near the people would have major issues with it because not near the people would be playing the game. Its the old bait and switch.
Not a big deal. Something like $1-2. I bet most people here spend 5X that on Starbucks/coffee every day.
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
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Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.
*exit stage left
well in 28 days
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I don't. Not one tiny bit. Not after all the warnings we gave them.
I hate that Cryptic is going to make money from them, though.
The people that read these forums. Yes, for those I feel ZERO pitty. They had plenty of red flags and warnings.
The people who I feel sorry for, are the unaware Star Trek fans, that were lured in and seduced by false advertisement into buying a lifetime sub. Unaware fans that have no experience with MMO's and Cryptic itself.
For those I feel truly sorry. As they paid $230 dollars upfront in a belief Cryptic would deliver them a finished product that lived up to the expectations of what the Star Trek IP deserved. Only to find themselves in a deserted game when the first month is up and $300 wasted (as lifers still need to buy the retail box as well).
Cheers
Well Cryptic can only burn so many players before they become like SOE and have to make new games for entirely new generations of gamers like Free Realms and their marketing to young teens. Cryptic can't pull this greedy crap forever. I am sure Bill Roper will continue to slime his way around through different companies and somehow head up different projects and do the same crap. I don't understand why these asshats keep getting jobs.
hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?
Obviously you don't understand the situation.
Why would I play a mediocre game and pay for stuff I get for free in other MMO's? If this game was WOWAWESOMEAMAZING then OK, I can see hooking people for stuff like that but this game is crap. Keep in mind that a company that in its last 2 games has been money grubbing will continue to do that in the games life cycle and you will pay for many more things that most MMO's do not charge extra for...better MMO's at that. This is just the beginning...
Money moves when a product is needed or desirable. People will buy such product in the best form available. Something that is lacking in one way or another will not sell as well as the complete package even though it may often times be cheaper. As one poster commented, why pay for extras when the extras come as standard equipment in other games? While some may think a game is "needed" it falls into the category of "desirable" and this game with its features lacking without more payment, is not desirable to us capitalist Americans that like more bang for our buck.
those game that offer DLC dont have a monthly fee, except STO/CO then.
Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.
Well one could argue that the racial traits don't have such a huge impact on gameplay anyways, otherwise everyone would choose race X for a tactical captain + escort while in reality there are quite a lot of nice traits to choose from.
No I was actually talking about looks. I can't imagine anyone would buy the races for the skillset that comes with them. You can still create an alien race that looks like a Klingon or a Ferengi, so why on earth would I spend Cryptic Points on this?
M
Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.
I have never seen so much over exaggerated hate posts about a game as STO. Seems like a major campaign to defame a game. This OP is just another in a long line of BS.
You don't need to buy any faction. It don't take much to unlock them, so wipe the tears and pocket your hate spam.
Cryptic already stated they will not RMT anything that effects the game. What they are selling is just skins for your crew.
It all started when they hired these suits (like Bill Roper) from Flagship Studios when it went down under.
These greedy suits don't give a damn they will run the company in the ground (just like they ran Flagship Studios into the ground).
By the time Cryptic is finished and out of bussiness, these suits have already enriched themselves with big fat bonusses over the backs of their own employees and the customers who blindly stepped into their traps of greed! By buying lifetime subs, longterm subs. Hence, everyone stupid enough to buy the retail box.
Cheers
Besides Bill Roper I don't know any other former flagship employees at Cryptic, and Roper only works on Champions, not STO. Incidentally, the champs community has nicknamed him "dolla bill" or "dirty dolla."
But Bill was only installed to distract everyone from the true devil: John Needham, CEO of Cryptic Studios, and former VP of SOE circa 2001. Cryptic is not just acting like Sony, it really is the same person in charge. Even his name, "Needham", sounds like what you would call the greediest guy in the medieval village.
This STO situation is mind-boggling even for a CO fan like me, STO is easily surpassing CO as the most expensive pretend-economy MMO out there. At launch the CO store had a few vanity pets for one dollar each, but this offering shows an exponential growth in greed. Cryptic points are 80 / dollar. Basically their plan is to make fanboy MMOs for small audiences and then milk that small customer base for lots of extra cash.
Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.
Champions Online isn't F2P (yet) and it has $12.50 respecs in the store.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Assuming you play...they couldn't even keep the servers up for headstart...has to be horrible now
Champions Online isn't F2P (yet) and it has $12.50 respecs in the store.
which are given out with major patches and (they say) will be aviable in game like That Other Super Hero MMO, one day.
Oh and you get a freetcon if you hit 40
Actually since launch the servers have been stable and i get no lag at all. Also btw they say that there going to be updating the game every couple weeks! not like Darkfall where it takes 4-6 months for a patch
This just in!
The sky is not falling in STO, move along.
Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.
Well one could argue that the racial traits don't have such a huge impact on gameplay anyways...
Yes, one could argue that, but one would be wrong. Despite the size of the impact, there is an impact. These are clearly not just cosmetic items.
Rofl, I am not surpised and all the folks are going omg. tried to warn you guys rofl. Pay a sub and then get nickle and dimed to death like its a f2p game. Totaly epic fail.
I think a company has a right to make money any way they choose. However what I don't get with Cryptic is why they anger people by not telling them the plans, and then springing these surprises on them invokes a natural angry reaction.
If they had just said months agao exactly what they had planned to sell via their MT store then I can't imagine anyone would have a major valid issue with it.
The problem is that Cryptic seem so afraid of advance negative press that they would rather deal with the s**t storm that results from these unannounced additions.
I think if they had just been up front about it all, none of this would be an issue.
I like the game...despite awaiting response from Gametap as to why my activation key was not included in their email today or available on their account .......I do think adding c-store races on the first day is a bit ridiculous.
Heh... Cryptic always innovates. Wish they used their creativity more on game content instead of revenue content though, especially at the SAME day of release.
It's an all time new low.
Not a big deal. Something like $1-2. I bet most people here spend 5X that on Starbucks/coffee every day.
Not near the people would have major issues with it because not near the people would be playing the game. Its the old bait and switch.
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.