Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL...
The only thing I am starting to notice about this mmo sites is that people only get here to ventilate their frustations... this is the new place to steam out...
by the way no baddies for teh one above but starbucks is pretty much stupid in itself, wondering why is closing stores...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
People don't forget it also cost to change faction in other mmos if they even have that service. This is just another way around to betray the Klingons to fight side by side with the Federation. Don't be so small brained to think it's just a rip-off. It's actually pretty smart by Cryptic and STO fans will love it aswell.
If you choose to be alliance in WoW then you can't play a tauren mates.
... doesn't it cost to change faction in WoW? Unless you have another 2 weeks of PL a new toon.
Why I mentioned WoW is because it is the best selling mmo and best service I have seen.
Just wait till you can buy Q in C-store then you would all be satisfied I guess
People don't forget it also cost to change faction in other mmos if they even have that service. This is just another way around to betray the Klingons to fight side by side with the Federation. Don't be so small brained to think it's just a rip-off. It's actually pretty smart by Cryptic and STO fans will love it aswell.
Ya and server transfers... and misc, like inventory expansions... and more character slots...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
How the hell do you manage to compare, paying extra money for already exsisting game code, to buying a collectors edition of a game?
Im in no way saying developers dont make money off collectors editions, but its not shady. You know what your getting when you spend the extra money on the collectors edition and most 95% of cases, it contains a physical object that is limited, not an in game item (They do have them, but thats not what the bulk of the money is going towards).
Plus Vet Rewards? What are you talking about? Thats a small incentive to play the game longer, most of the time they are nothing more than a painting or a shield, not a full race or class.
Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL... The only thing I am starting to notice about this mmo sites is that people only get here to ventilate their frustations... this is the new place to steam out... by the way no baddies for teh one above but starbucks is pretty much stupid in itself, wondering why is closing stores...
I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.
How the hell do you manage to compare, paying extra money for already exsisting game code, to buying a collectors edition of a game?.................
Game code is like material content u can touch, and it looks like this is the attitude towards it, since developers complain about piracy, if game code is worth nothing, then thepiratebay can get a warm welcome...
Lets hope developers delete that code u cant access in later games, this can save you some hard disk space...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
Yes the price of the napkin is figured in as is the cream and sugar.Starbucks has the price of the coffee listed and doesnt stick you in the ass for a napkin after you have paid the price listed.
Ya... if u dont like companies with the "sucking your bucks too the max" then move to mars... everybody do that, some of them in a more fresh ways, other at least cover it up, but they just want your bucks... if u want things for free then go to %^&*torrent.com but then people start complaining too... One question that people need to answer themselves, why give it for free if we can get money for it? after all we are not the red cross...
Accepting the fact the people are ripping you off doesnt make it more acceptable, at least not to anyone with a fraction of intelligence.
Also Its not giving it out for free! People are paying 50 bucks, plus 15 dollars a month, they shouldnt have to pay for a race on a different faction.
And the comparison to WoW is bullshit, In wow you are given every race and class option, after you pay the box cost you are getting everything in the game except a few small vanity items like pets. The reason you pay the monthly fee is for updates which WoW receives regularly.
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
Yes the price of the napkin is figured in as is the creme and sugar.Starbucks has the price of the coffee listed and doesnt stick you in the ass for a napkin after you have paid the price listed.
Exactly, Cryptics business is just shady I dont know why people want to defend it.
I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.
I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.
/People: More content for the price;
/Developers: You paid for what u get;
/People: quits;
/end program;
and the cycles keep going, with each mmo...
But did you get what you payed for is the question.
developer: then screw no new ships and lasers for you, later
No badiess to anyone, but you pay 50 bucks... and the game have stuff for 50 bucks, dont expect content for a 80 bucks or 100 bucks game, a few developers give u a little more content than the industry standard, some others big SOBs and give u less, then pull off the finger on you...
But looks like a practice this days in tons of games around, a few hours of gameplay for 50 bucks... the old 1000 hours game is gone, now if is 20 or 30 is way too much... single player games that are only 8 hours long...
Now if u convert that 1000 to lets say 25 in single player games, to mmos... then u can get an idea of how much a mmo is worth...
The only thing i expect is extra content with each monthly fee, otherwise i get bored of the original content too fast and quit... developers call here... give me something new each month or I go...
If u still dont like the little content of games, then maybe you should step up and do something radical in the industry, try to be creative, but hey, dont forget, there is some financial thinking on that...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Ok, so if Starbucks includes napkin fees in the coffee prices, then logically Cryptic should include the content fees (even if you don't use it) in the box price+subscription like all other p2p MMO's do. Thusly these RMTs are BS.
Edit: Needham is middle english for hobo so I guess that guy is just born in a mindset of never having enough
"I will not play it nor any other MMO until they make it possible to obtain the best gear without forcing people to group up to do so." SwampRob
After reading this news about STO, I just resubbed to EVE! Hmmmm...maybe this post was just a big advetisment for EVE Online! $9.95/month sounds awesome now! I'm buying a year's worth now! Free expansions even!
Take it this way, Klingon pay to play federation is like a deterrent for people to crazyly and mindlessly cross race factions here... and a lucrative for them too...
After reading this news about STO, I just resubbed to EVE! Hmmmm...maybe this post was just a big advetisment for EVE Online! $9.95/month sounds awesome now! I'm buying a year's worth now! Free expansions even! lol
There u have one developer that doesnt care much about making big bucks... but is only eve one doing this right...? They really love their game, see ya in eve people...
Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL...
1 - if you're paying every month, then it's not 'free'.
2 - a gamer would want to get the best deal possible for his money. Why are you taking the company's side in this?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Originally posted by jiveturkey12 Also Its not giving it out for free! People are paying 50 bucks, plus 15 dollars a month, they shouldnt have to pay for a race on a different faction.
And the comparison to WoW is bullshit, In wow you are given every race and class option, after you pay the box cost you are getting everything in the game except a few small vanity items like pets. The reason you pay the monthly fee is for updates which WoW receives regularly.
So, what you're saying is that Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King nor future Cataclysm expansion never happened nor will happen? Fascinating. Or is it that you never would purchase them?
As far as I remember Blizzard did not add you anything to your character choices except in these expansions that could be compared to what Cryptic is offering which is charging you for the extra "fun" stuff. Sure, there came patches and additional areas and content in form of quests and such but that's what STO players are going to get as well. These additions in WoW were however in Blizzards designs to do from the start if the game started rolling nicely for the base game anyway. After this they decided that they will start making expansions to further bring in money instead of continuing to expand the game with the basic subscription fee.
I'd see this as pretty much the same as what every other MMO has done but done in a slightly different way. Though I do not yet know how Cryptic will handle larger expansions later on that almost every MMO that is still alive has gotten.
The only difference here is that Cryptic is using an in game store instead of computer game stores and cutting the extra layers of cost to the player and themselves in delivering the content to the players. I'd find that an advantage for the gamer in some ways. Blizzard also did this for Wrath of the Lich King when they started selling it in their account management.
I have not personally followed Cryptic's track record in the past and Champions Online was not a genre I was ever interested in so I cannot take a stand on how they may have done ill will towards anyone or how ill that will has truly been.
Regards to my WoW knowledge, I played it for a few years but got really bored of the way the game never developed in quest content style. Kill x of these. Gather y of these from there. Kill x of these to get y of these off them. Run to the other corner of the continent to speak to one guy who says that I need a drink of water from the furthest corner of another continent and come back to hear that you could have picked up another item once you were there because he'd like it now. It was basically always kill or gather or perhaps even sometimes use an item somewhere with an item or without an item and all you ever got was a bit of money and perhaps a piece of equipment.
I played the beta it and I denstalled it from my comp. I was going to wait 6 months then check it back out to see if it got any better. However now that I see it is a cash crab just like the previous title, there is no way that Cryptic will ever get my business.
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Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL...
The only thing I am starting to notice about this mmo sites is that people only get here to ventilate their frustations... this is the new place to steam out...
by the way no baddies for teh one above but starbucks is pretty much stupid in itself, wondering why is closing stores...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
People don't forget it also cost to change faction in other mmos if they even have that service. This is just another way around to betray the Klingons to fight side by side with the Federation. Don't be so small brained to think it's just a rip-off. It's actually pretty smart by Cryptic and STO fans will love it aswell.
If you choose to be alliance in WoW then you can't play a tauren mates.
... doesn't it cost to change faction in WoW? Unless you have another 2 weeks of PL a new toon.
Why I mentioned WoW is because it is the best selling mmo and best service I have seen.
Just wait till you can buy Q in C-store then you would all be satisfied I guess
Regards
Ya and server transfers... and misc, like inventory expansions... and more character slots...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
How the hell do you manage to compare, paying extra money for already exsisting game code, to buying a collectors edition of a game?
Im in no way saying developers dont make money off collectors editions, but its not shady. You know what your getting when you spend the extra money on the collectors edition and most 95% of cases, it contains a physical object that is limited, not an in game item (They do have them, but thats not what the bulk of the money is going towards).
Plus Vet Rewards? What are you talking about? Thats a small incentive to play the game longer, most of the time they are nothing more than a painting or a shield, not a full race or class.
Seriously am I missing something here?
I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.
Game code is like material content u can touch, and it looks like this is the attitude towards it, since developers complain about piracy, if game code is worth nothing, then thepiratebay can get a warm welcome...
Lets hope developers delete that code u cant access in later games, this can save you some hard disk space...
This is only a sign of things to come and removes all doubt in me buying this game.
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
Yes the price of the napkin is figured in as is the cream and sugar.Starbucks has the price of the coffee listed and doesnt stick you in the ass for a napkin after you have paid the price listed.
Edit for spelling.
Accepting the fact the people are ripping you off doesnt make it more acceptable, at least not to anyone with a fraction of intelligence.
Also Its not giving it out for free! People are paying 50 bucks, plus 15 dollars a month, they shouldnt have to pay for a race on a different faction.
And the comparison to WoW is bullshit, In wow you are given every race and class option, after you pay the box cost you are getting everything in the game except a few small vanity items like pets. The reason you pay the monthly fee is for updates which WoW receives regularly.
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.
As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.
Yes the price of the napkin is figured in as is the creme and sugar.Starbucks has the price of the coffee listed and doesnt stick you in the ass for a napkin after you have paid the price listed.
Exactly, Cryptics business is just shady I dont know why people want to defend it.
/People: More content for the price;
/Developers: You paid for what u get;
/People: quits;
/end program;
and the cycles keep going, with each mmo...
/People: More content for the price;
/Developers: You paid for what u get;
/People: quits;
/end program;
and the cycles keep going, with each mmo...
But did you get what you payed for is the question.
people: we want more stuff
developer: thats what u get
people: what, give us more stuff
developer: then pay more
people: we already paid
developer: pay more
people: no
developer: then screw no new ships and lasers for you, later
No badiess to anyone, but you pay 50 bucks... and the game have stuff for 50 bucks, dont expect content for a 80 bucks or 100 bucks game, a few developers give u a little more content than the industry standard, some others big SOBs and give u less, then pull off the finger on you...
But looks like a practice this days in tons of games around, a few hours of gameplay for 50 bucks... the old 1000 hours game is gone, now if is 20 or 30 is way too much... single player games that are only 8 hours long...
Now if u convert that 1000 to lets say 25 in single player games, to mmos... then u can get an idea of how much a mmo is worth...
The only thing i expect is extra content with each monthly fee, otherwise i get bored of the original content too fast and quit... developers call here... give me something new each month or I go...
If u still dont like the little content of games, then maybe you should step up and do something radical in the industry, try to be creative, but hey, dont forget, there is some financial thinking on that...
Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!
They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...
Ok, so if Starbucks includes napkin fees in the coffee prices, then logically Cryptic should include the content fees (even if you don't use it) in the box price+subscription like all other p2p MMO's do. Thusly these RMTs are BS.
Edit: Needham is middle english for hobo so I guess that guy is just born in a mindset of never having enough
"I will not play it nor any other MMO until they make it possible to obtain the best gear without forcing people to group up to do so." SwampRob
After reading this news about STO, I just resubbed to EVE! Hmmmm...maybe this post was just a big advetisment for EVE Online! $9.95/month sounds awesome now! I'm buying a year's worth now! Free expansions even!
lol
Take it this way, Klingon pay to play federation is like a deterrent for people to crazyly and mindlessly cross race factions here... and a lucrative for them too...
There u have one developer that doesnt care much about making big bucks... but is only eve one doing this right...? They really love their game, see ya in eve people...
Correct. It is easier to ask forgiveness, than seek permission.
Once players have invested time and money into the game, they are more likely to accept additional expense and screw-ups.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
1 - if you're paying every month, then it's not 'free'.
2 - a gamer would want to get the best deal possible for his money. Why are you taking the company's side in this?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Funny since these two races were available in open beta, but later removed due to "graphical issues".
I wish graphical issues made me a couple bucks.
MMORPG.com should really be journalistic and add an award for most shoddy business practices among MMO developers and/or publishers.
I'm not surprised by this information. Mainly b/c of how they treated Champion's Online. The C-store doesn't belong in gaming.
Proud MMORPG.com member since March 2004! Make PvE GREAT Again!
So, what you're saying is that Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King nor future Cataclysm expansion never happened nor will happen? Fascinating.
Or is it that you never would purchase them?
As far as I remember Blizzard did not add you anything to your character choices except in these expansions that could be compared to what Cryptic is offering which is charging you for the extra "fun" stuff. Sure, there came patches and additional areas and content in form of quests and such but that's what STO players are going to get as well. These additions in WoW were however in Blizzards designs to do from the start if the game started rolling nicely for the base game anyway. After this they decided that they will start making expansions to further bring in money instead of continuing to expand the game with the basic subscription fee.
I'd see this as pretty much the same as what every other MMO has done but done in a slightly different way. Though I do not yet know how Cryptic will handle larger expansions later on that almost every MMO that is still alive has gotten.
The only difference here is that Cryptic is using an in game store instead of computer game stores and cutting the extra layers of cost to the player and themselves in delivering the content to the players. I'd find that an advantage for the gamer in some ways. Blizzard also did this for Wrath of the Lich King when they started selling it in their account management.
I have not personally followed Cryptic's track record in the past and Champions Online was not a genre I was ever interested in so I cannot take a stand on how they may have done ill will towards anyone or how ill that will has truly been.
Regards to my WoW knowledge, I played it for a few years but got really bored of the way the game never developed in quest content style. Kill x of these. Gather y of these from there. Kill x of these to get y of these off them. Run to the other corner of the continent to speak to one guy who says that I need a drink of water from the furthest corner of another continent and come back to hear that you could have picked up another item once you were there because he'd like it now. It was basically always kill or gather or perhaps even sometimes use an item somewhere with an item or without an item and all you ever got was a bit of money and perhaps a piece of equipment.
There is no way in hell I will buy this "game" and I have advised other not to as well :-)
greedy men in suits, are greedy men.
I played the beta it and I denstalled it from my comp. I was going to wait 6 months then check it back out to see if it got any better. However now that I see it is a cash crab just like the previous title, there is no way that Cryptic will ever get my business.
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