Originally posted by Gdemami Speaking in a matter of fact, any ingame item affects gameplay. No one brokes his word since a definition of affecting gameplay is broad open. Which might be an issue but that only time will show.
Depends on the company (and who at that company) you talk to really; a case can be made that these items violate the promise made by Jack Emmert and other Cryptic employees. Whether or not that's enough for a chargeback will have to be decided by the institution. It can't help Cryptic's case that the BBB has given them an F rating, especially since a lot of that rating is due to the fact that Cryptic only responded to one out of thirty-six issues the BBB asked them about.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Truh of the matter this to me makes sense, the game is based around the war between the Klingons and the Federation but we do have the unique situation that we all know that Klingons at this point in the timeline have been members of the Federation selling the race in the store limits the amount of people using the race which if it was free would make the war obsolete.
Now having said that it is just obvious to me that really a vast majority of the mmo population has a problem with monthly fees plus cash shops but for a player like me I see it no different than I see raid/instance content. As a player I don't have it in me to stand in line for months on end running through <insert dungeon here> every weekend for ten hours a day just for that one piece of purple loot but I choose not to complain about being shut out of so much content, if I really wanted it I'd bite the bullet and do that but I realize in the end it would be counterintuitive to the entire point of me playing video games which is for fun, not e-ego or some sort of sense of accomplishment. And that's the same way I see a cash shop since I already know it's a bad idea I make it a point to avoid using them and if I find a game so restrictive that it is a necessity then I move on.
This point has less of an impact for those not willing to jump on the beat up Cryptic bandwagon by the virtue of ebing able to create any race you want, I could be wrong but aren't the tools made as such that you can make a pretty good if not perfect "replica" of said race? which would make the only complaint about the two traits then.
I don't presume to tell anyone how to feel in this but again if I can play a game and have fun without the cash shop why should it bother me that the company wants to offer me and other players ways to access this content? Sure they can add it for free but again what am I going to have to do to get it raid for months on end, no thanks.
Now if we as a community could have gotten all up in arms against the gold farmers that have plagued mmo's for years like we are doing to the companies for basically cutting those people out we may not be at this point but we are and to that I can only say if as many of you who feel this strongly about this continue to not sub/ or spend in the cash shops they will go away, but don't be surprised to find that the benefits they reap will continue to outweigh the consequence.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Originally posted by xoring Think of this as a mini expansion that's proportionally cheaper.
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
As stated by others to offer it right away would devalue the item in the store so you would have to expect a delay to have access to it but as pointed out by others since the traits do affect game play Cryptic needs to keep there word and make sure that it is eventually attainable in game as well. Another poster said matter of factly every in game item effects game play but I don't see how that would be true of vanity items (some of which are already in game) like the Ambassador title.
Now as to the stat bonuses for the traits while this is true that the races have there own traits we seem to neglect the fact that every race in the game gets the same amount of traits so while Klingons and Ferengi have benefits to them so does being a human,betazoid,trill, or anything else you chose to be.
And again I can't help but read some of these posts and see the "keeping up with the jones'" syndrome popping up if these traits didn't exist at character creation what makes me look at them now (as a person unwilling to spend c-store points on them) and become angered that I can't have them, other than thinking there are people I will be playing with/against who may have them. If that person is willing to spend c-store points to get that item then they are no different again than the person willing to spend countless weekends in a dungeon to gain something I can't have because I am UNWILLING to jump through the hoops to attain the item.
I'm sorry folks but where you see the evil empire rearing it's ugly head I see progress, yes we are moving into a time when it is not desirable to be forced to spend every gaming moment on one game focusing on one singular goal and this is fine with me and remember I am not going to be spending money to get c-store points or the items available but just think it's good to see companies offering more ways to get goodies than expecting me to spend five hour sessions in game every weekend in the same dungeon for a one percent chance at that item.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
They're too stupid to realize these obvious money grabs, like lifetime subs, all the stupid nickel and dime versions, and having an online store in a pay game just chases off people who know when they're being taken to the cleaners.
Originally posted by xoring Think of this as a mini expansion that's proportionally cheaper.
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
I have the answer to all your questions for a one off payment of $5.....
Yet Ferengi and Klingons will get racial abilities that no other Federation race has, that's how races work in the game. Is that "fluff?" It will have an impact on the game.
If you ever played STO, you would know how minor effect character traits have on gameplay...
Originally posted by xoring Think of this as a mini expansion that's proportionally cheaper.
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
Simple.
A) Roll an alien and give him "Natural Immunities" and "Accute Sences" anyone can do this.
Roll a tradition Klingon, which has the exact same bonuses as a Federation Klingon. So sure, you have to play a certain faction, but it is aquirable in game technically speaking.
C) All racial bonuses in this game are stat bonuses, and are TINY relatively speaking. As such they're rendered obsolute by gear within the first few levels. Racial choice is basically a cosmetic issue anyway, so this was never that big of a deal.
Look I'm gonna lay this out from where I'm standing:
A. There are TWO things available in the C-Store right now.
B. I could buy BOTH of them with approximately half the free point I got for registering my Retail Key.
C. I'm not going to because I don't give a crap.
D. Let me spell this out for you: There is so little advantage to these items, I'm not going to buy either one... FOR FREE.
E. Until you can find me someone who bought Federation Klingon (even with free bonus points) SPECIFICALLY because they felt they need the advantage of Warrior and Honorable, and who an argue what specific advantage they got from doing that, you really don't have an arguement.
F. Find me someone who bought Federation Ferengi for Natural Immunities and Acute Senses, and I'll show someone who doesn't understand how rolling alien works.
G. The best possible arguement you could make here is that selling Klingon abilties on the Federation side affects factional balance... well didn't WoW charge money when it introduced two races to the game which affected factional balance? Oh... part of a major expansion you say? Your right, one that costed $40, and if $40 for the whole expansion is fair why is $2 for just races unfair? Fraction of the content, fraction of the price... I don't see the problem here.
The problem I see is actually very straightforward. Emmert said that anything in the C-store that affects gameplay will be available through gameplay. The playable races in the store affect gameplay, and they are not available ingame.
The marketting said one thing; it seems Cryptic did the opposite. Is it a problem when an MMO company says that a game will have a certain RMT model before they take people's money, and then afterwards they do the exact opposite? In my opinion, yeah, it's a problem.
People also seem to be saying that a 40% resistance buff isn't a big deal. First of all, it doesn't have to be a big deal; it just has to affect gameplay. If it affects gameplay, it must be available ingame, or Cryptic did not do what Emmert said they would. Secondly, when did a 40% resistance buff become insignifcant?
Also, if Cryptic wants to avoid all the negative press, all they have to do is make sure that items affecting gameplay are available ingame when they make them available in the shop. Is it really that hard to keep Jack's word? Tbh, I think Jack should step in and set things right at this point.
Anyone that wants a refund due to the apparent reversal on the RMT model should get one. Playable races that affect gameplay should be on the top of the list for the next content patch, so Jack can at least keep his word in a better late than never fashion. Then, any new content that affects gameplay should be made available ingame and at the cash shop simultaneously. If they do this, they are honouring the message they gave to customers before they took their money. Imo that's the right thing to do.
Right now, I think customer complaints are justified. Cryptic needs to set things right.
Now... i don't want to piss in anyones cereal, but with the CC you can make a very good Klingon with the funky dreadlocks and the forehead of a xylophone and while he will read as "alien" instead of "klingon" i am sure most "real" klingons would agree to the fact that a defector or "insert RP reason for him not being raised a klingon" is fairly alien.
As for the feregi, i agree it is dificult to make a good ferengi ingame but otoh they are about as pleasent as the black death so i could not care less.
So what you are paying for is is 7 letters....
Not that anyone will care anyhow... Hate need to be spread and anger needs to be shouted with large letters and frantic waving of the arms.
Have anyone of you haters even tried to make a Klingon ingame with the Charater creator, 'cause i have and it was pretty easy.
I haven't played STO or anny other cryptic game. But asking a monthly fee AND selling extra stuff in something that sounds like a cash shop is not so nice. I won't even think about it to try STO if this is true. You ask a monthly fee OR you have a cash shop, not both! that's just my opinion.
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Originally posted by kingtommyboy I haven't played STO or anny other cryptic game. But asking a monthly fee AND selling extra stuff in something that sounds like a cash shop is not so nice. I won't even think about it to try STO if this is true. You ask a monthly fee OR you have a cash shop, not both! that's just my opinion.
I think fees for respecs, appereance changes or similar various services are not that uncommon to offer along with P2P model.
C-Store as it is now is nothing like item mall for F2P games. So far it only offers fluff of 2 federation playable races you can purchase with CP you get along with majority of retail offers.
Having to pay for expansion is acceptable even though you also have to pay monthly fee? Is it that difficult and such difference to imagine spliting up the expansion into specific content and features you can purchase separately?
If that is the case, I can see it as more options for me as a customer only.
I think fees for respecs, appereance changes or similar various services are not that uncommon to offer along with P2P model. C-Store as it is now is nothing like item mall for F2P games. So far it only offers fluff of 2 federation playable races you can purchase with CP you get along with majority of retail offers.
Having to pay for expansion is acceptable even though you also have to pay monthly fee? Is it that difficult and such difference to imagine spliting up the expansion into specific content and features you can purchase separately? If that is the case, I can see it as more options for me as a customer only.
Well Cryptic tends to monkey around with their games so much after release the respecs should be free. If you are talking about hair changes and the like, well thos are free, as far as real money is concerned, in other games. Changing names, changing servers, changing something that actually requires you know... a fair amount of service is another matter.
The problem is expansions are now released alongside mico-trans so when before you would get levels and more bankspace and new content (a good amount of content) for an expansion costing around 30 dollars, now they will give you the levels, minor, minor amounts of content and then make you pay extra for bankspace (example). So not only are you getting microtranned right out the door for content, they are holding content out of expansions to microtran all while demanding the same amount for the sub... and there is no game out there that costs 15 dollars a month to simply maintain. That 15 should pay for ongoing content, not just patches and fixes.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Well Cryptic tends to monkey around with their games so much after release the respecs should be free. If you are talking about hair changes and the like, well thos are free, as far as real money is concerned, in other games. Changing names, changing servers, changing something that actually requires you know... a fair amount of service is another matter.
The problem is expansions are now released alongside mico-trans so when before you would get levels and more bankspace and new content (a good amount of content) for an expansion costing around 30 dollars, now they will give you the levels, minor, minor amounts of content and then make you pay extra for bankspace (example). So not only are you getting microtranned right out the door for content, they are holding content out of expansions to microtran all while demanding the same amount for the sub... and there is no game out there that costs 15 dollars a month to simply maintain. That 15 should pay for ongoing content, not just patches and fixes.
Balance changes are common in every game and it is a part of the process.
Different games offer different services for different prices. Appereance change is not always free. It all depends on the game but in all cases the charge is for exclusivity and above standard services.
Everything there is fluff not affecting gameplay and/or exclusive services. It is nothing like micro-transaction => RMT => Item Mall seen with F2P games!
You are not charged as you imply, C-Store content is optional. No way you 'need' anything from there, no way anything would give you advantage over other players.
Offering an expansion through C-Store is just a matter of trade channel - nothing more, nothing less. There is no difference wheter you purchase it directly paying with your visa or you by CP and purchase it through C-Store.
Wheter 15$ monthly fee is enough or not to 'simply' pay for server and infrastructure maintenance along with upgrades, I can't say. But I can say that majority games charging monthy fee are charging for expansions too.
Conclusion: Cryptic is not doing anything uncommon. The C-Store might offer more services and items than other developers do but it is far from being dependant on or it makes any ingame difference.
Wheter to purchase new content via C-Store is up to everyones consideration as is any expansion purchase.
These are not races they are skins (with a couple of inconsequential traits). Get your facts straight i would say before talking nonsense on a public forum.
The facts are all right here: http://www.startrekonline.com/store. You can purchase these races along with their inherent bonuses at the online store. I disagree, btw, that a 40% resistance buff is "inconsequential."
These cash shop options clearly affect gameplay, and contrary to what Jack Emmert told people, they do not appear to be available ingame.
The facts are all right here: http://www.startrekonline.com/store. You can purchase these races along with their inherent bonuses at the online store. I disagree, btw, that a 40% resistance buff is "inconsequential." These cash shop options clearly affect gameplay, and contrary to what Jack Emmert told people, they do not appear to be available ingame. I believe my "facts" are well supported.
The same buff - Natural Immunities got ie. Benzite race...
You can make custome race with Acute Sense and Natural Immunities which Ferrengi race got and the only difference will be appereance.
These are not races they are skins (with a couple of inconsequential traits). Get your facts straight i would say before talking nonsense on a public forum.
The facts are all right here: http://www.startrekonline.com/store. You can purchase these races along with their inherent bonuses at the online store. I disagree, btw, that a 40% resistance buff is "inconsequential."
These cash shop options clearly affect gameplay, and contrary to what Jack Emmert told people, they do not appear to be available ingame.
I believe my "facts" are well supported.
The proof is in the pudding.
If you play the game you will understand how inconsequential they are. Coupled with the fact that there are so many of these triats to choose from that in the end they are neither here nor there.
When you create a char in STOL you can choose the traits for your char, some are locked to the race.Two locked and two to choose from. And if you create an Alien char you get to choose all four traits. Further to that you can, if you like, choose all space traits or all ground traits or a mixture of the two.
And there are so many to choose from, about 10 to 15 traits to choose from that even reading them all feels like a waste of time, you just look for what you are more interested in and go with that. And a lot of the traits are repeated across different races even the ones for Klingons and Frengi(they are not unquie to these races). I for example ignored all ground type traits and picked the Space based ones for my chars.
Hence my conclusion that they are inconsequential in the greater scheme of the game.
I got the Gold box and got 500 points to spend in the Cstore. And as such i can buy one of these skins. If everyone gets these points regardless of the box they buy then everyone will be able to get the skins. Do people who get the regular box get points to spend in the Cstore?
Originally posted by xoring Think of this as a mini expansion that's proportionally cheaper.
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
Doesn't necessarily mean it will be available in-game right away. That would decrease the value of purchasing it through the C-Store.
So you are saying they are NOT attainable in game?
That would be lies then.
btw, god forbid we decrease the value of the C-Store with actual gameplay eh? I honestly don't understand why 'gamers' argue to support or justify this crap tbh.
The facts are all right here: http://www.startrekonline.com/store. You can purchase these races along with their inherent bonuses at the online store. I disagree, btw, that a 40% resistance buff is "inconsequential."
These cash shop options clearly affect gameplay, and contrary to what Jack Emmert told people, they do not appear to be available ingame.
I believe my "facts" are well supported.
The same buff - Natural Immunities got ie. Benzite race...
You can make custome race with Acute Sense and Natural Immunities which Ferrengi race got and the only difference will be appereance.
Your 'facts' are just well supported trash.
No need to get hostile (i.e. calling my comments trash). Let me try to put this simply. Do the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races impact gameplay? I believe the answer is yes. The stat bonus packages affect gameplay. Emmert said anything affecting gameplay that is sold in the C-store will also be available ingame. Are the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races (with their stat bonus packages) available ingame? I believe the answer is no. Do you see the disconnect?
Also, I don't think you're being entirely honest in your comparison of the Benzite and Ferengi races. They share natural immunities, yes. They do not, however, share acutes senses. In fact no starting race available ingame has both natural immunities and acute senses. This combination is only available via the online store. So despite your disparaging remarks and attempts to obfuscate matters, it appears that the same problem remains: something that is available via RMT and affects gameplay is not available ingame, contrary to what Mr. Emmert told customers before this game went live.
P.S. You can also see that no starting races available ingame on the federation side have the same bonuses as the Klingon, avaiable only in the online store. I'd love it if Emmert kept his word on this btw. I happen to like him, and I think he's brilliant. In this instance, however, it appears that he did not, and I think that's a problem.
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 No need to get hostile (i.e. calling my comments trash). Let me try to put this simply. Do the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races impact gameplay? I believe the answer is yes. The stat bonus packages affect gameplay. Emmert said anything affecting gameplay that is sold in the C-store will also be available ingame. Are the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races (with their stat bonus packages) available ingame? I believe the answer is no. Do you see the disconnect? Also, I don't think you're being entirely honest in your comparison of the Benzite and Ferengi races. They share natural immunities, yes. They do not, however, share acutes senses. In fact no starting race available ingame has both natural immunities and acute senses. This combination is only available via the online store. So despite your disparaging remarks and attempts to obfuscate matters, it appears that the same problem remains: something that is available via RMT and affects gameplay is not available ingame, contrary to what Mr. Emmert told customers before this game went live. All starting stats in STO are available here: http://www.massively.com/2010/01/19/massivelys-guide-to-the-character-traits-of-star-trek-online/3 P.S. You can also see that no starting races available ingame on the federation side have the same bonuses as the Klingon, avaiable only in the online store. I'd love it if Emmert kept his word on this btw. I happen to like him, and I think he's brilliant. In this instance, however, it appears that he did not, and I think that's a problem.
You only state that it affects gameplay and you have the right to dislike C-Store and express your oppinion, and it will be respected but it does not mean your assumptions are true.
As I pointed out in other thread:
1) In case of Ferrengi, the difference from ingame already available custom made character, is appereance only.
Appereance does not change how character opeates, thus not affecting gameplay.
2) In case of federation Klingon, the difference from ingame available character is faction only.
Faction does not change how character operates, thus not affecting gameplay.
No need to get hostile (i.e. calling my comments trash). Let me try to put this simply. Do the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races impact gameplay? I believe the answer is yes. The stat bonus packages affect gameplay. Emmert said anything affecting gameplay that is sold in the C-store will also be available ingame. Are the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races (with their stat bonus packages) available ingame? I believe the answer is no. Do you see the disconnect?
Also, I don't think you're being entirely honest in your comparison of the Benzite and Ferengi races. They share natural immunities, yes. They do not, however, share acutes senses. In fact no starting race available ingame has both natural immunities and acute senses. This combination is only available via the online store. So despite your disparaging remarks and attempts to obfuscate matters, it appears that the same problem remains: something that is available via RMT and affects gameplay is not available ingame, contrary to what Mr. Emmert told customers before this game went live.
P.S. You can also see that no starting races available ingame on the federation side have the same bonuses as the Klingon, avaiable only in the online store. I'd love it if Emmert kept his word on this btw. I happen to like him, and I think he's brilliant. In this instance, however, it appears that he did not, and I think that's a problem.
You only state that it affects gameplay and you have the right to dislike C-Store and express your oppinion, and it will be respected but it does not mean your assumptions are true.
As I pointed out in other thread:
1) In case of Ferrengi, the difference from ingame already available custom made character, is appereance only.
Appereance does not change how character opeates, thus not affecting gameplay.
2) In case of federation Klingon, the difference from ingame available character is faction only.
Faction does not change how character operates, thus not affecting gameplay.
It seems like some ppl dont get it. If a gamer wants to play a Ferrengi or Klingon - then they should be able to do so WITHOUT extra cost. After all - its still part of the content in the game even tho it only affects the Avatar look. Roleplaying part of it is OBVIOUS and since this is a mmoRPG then it affects the game no matter how you look at it.
Gamers should be able to play the ROLE they want in any mmoRPG - without any extra cost. Cryptic is denying players that pay FULL price for the box AND sub the opertunity to play part of the RPG content of their game. Not to mention Borg race only playable if you have already payed for lifetime account.
Cryptic is turning an entire IP into a joke. Thats why I say No thx.
Originally posted by Frobner It seems like some ppl dont get it. If a gamer wants to play a Ferrengi or Klingon - then they should be able to do so WITHOUT extra cost.
The fact you want something does not bind anyone else to anything, sorry.
You are not paying to make the product/service for you so you could rise such claims and demand content.
I see a lot of people trying to defend something that's indefensible, they call it "nonsense" or "irrelevant", but they don't seem to be able to deny the facts.
Fact: They said they wouldn't charge for something that affected the game that you couldn't already get in the game - they did.
Thanks for letting me know this, i certainly will not try STO. It's funny how "the guys in charge" can go back on what they said and the "little guys" will even make up their excuses for them, it's like mental-domination. Once you start swallowing the little lies.....
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Depends on the company (and who at that company) you talk to really; a case can be made that these items violate the promise made by Jack Emmert and other Cryptic employees. Whether or not that's enough for a chargeback will have to be decided by the institution. It can't help Cryptic's case that the BBB has given them an F rating, especially since a lot of that rating is due to the fact that Cryptic only responded to one out of thirty-six issues the BBB asked them about.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Truh of the matter this to me makes sense, the game is based around the war between the Klingons and the Federation but we do have the unique situation that we all know that Klingons at this point in the timeline have been members of the Federation selling the race in the store limits the amount of people using the race which if it was free would make the war obsolete.
Now having said that it is just obvious to me that really a vast majority of the mmo population has a problem with monthly fees plus cash shops but for a player like me I see it no different than I see raid/instance content. As a player I don't have it in me to stand in line for months on end running through <insert dungeon here> every weekend for ten hours a day just for that one piece of purple loot but I choose not to complain about being shut out of so much content, if I really wanted it I'd bite the bullet and do that but I realize in the end it would be counterintuitive to the entire point of me playing video games which is for fun, not e-ego or some sort of sense of accomplishment. And that's the same way I see a cash shop since I already know it's a bad idea I make it a point to avoid using them and if I find a game so restrictive that it is a necessity then I move on.
This point has less of an impact for those not willing to jump on the beat up Cryptic bandwagon by the virtue of ebing able to create any race you want, I could be wrong but aren't the tools made as such that you can make a pretty good if not perfect "replica" of said race? which would make the only complaint about the two traits then.
I don't presume to tell anyone how to feel in this but again if I can play a game and have fun without the cash shop why should it bother me that the company wants to offer me and other players ways to access this content? Sure they can add it for free but again what am I going to have to do to get it raid for months on end, no thanks.
Now if we as a community could have gotten all up in arms against the gold farmers that have plagued mmo's for years like we are doing to the companies for basically cutting those people out we may not be at this point but we are and to that I can only say if as many of you who feel this strongly about this continue to not sub/ or spend in the cash shops they will go away, but don't be surprised to find that the benefits they reap will continue to outweigh the consequence.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
Those are some pretty badass buffs.
From the launch day interview
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3977
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
As stated by others to offer it right away would devalue the item in the store so you would have to expect a delay to have access to it but as pointed out by others since the traits do affect game play Cryptic needs to keep there word and make sure that it is eventually attainable in game as well. Another poster said matter of factly every in game item effects game play but I don't see how that would be true of vanity items (some of which are already in game) like the Ambassador title.
Now as to the stat bonuses for the traits while this is true that the races have there own traits we seem to neglect the fact that every race in the game gets the same amount of traits so while Klingons and Ferengi have benefits to them so does being a human,betazoid,trill, or anything else you chose to be.
And again I can't help but read some of these posts and see the "keeping up with the jones'" syndrome popping up if these traits didn't exist at character creation what makes me look at them now (as a person unwilling to spend c-store points on them) and become angered that I can't have them, other than thinking there are people I will be playing with/against who may have them. If that person is willing to spend c-store points to get that item then they are no different again than the person willing to spend countless weekends in a dungeon to gain something I can't have because I am UNWILLING to jump through the hoops to attain the item.
I'm sorry folks but where you see the evil empire rearing it's ugly head I see progress, yes we are moving into a time when it is not desirable to be forced to spend every gaming moment on one game focusing on one singular goal and this is fine with me and remember I am not going to be spending money to get c-store points or the items available but just think it's good to see companies offering more ways to get goodies than expecting me to spend five hour sessions in game every weekend in the same dungeon for a one percent chance at that item.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
They're too stupid to realize these obvious money grabs, like lifetime subs, all the stupid nickel and dime versions, and having an online store in a pay game just chases off people who know when they're being taken to the cleaners.
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
Those are some pretty badass buffs.
From the launch day interview
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3977
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
I have the answer to all your questions for a one off payment of $5.....
If you ever played STO, you would know how minor effect character traits have on gameplay...
To me, this is actually a bad sign for an RPG.
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It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
Those are some pretty badass buffs.
From the launch day interview
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3977
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
Simple.
A) Roll an alien and give him "Natural Immunities" and "Accute Sences" anyone can do this.
C) All racial bonuses in this game are stat bonuses, and are TINY relatively speaking. As such they're rendered obsolute by gear within the first few levels. Racial choice is basically a cosmetic issue anyway, so this was never that big of a deal.
Look I'm gonna lay this out from where I'm standing:
A. There are TWO things available in the C-Store right now.
B. I could buy BOTH of them with approximately half the free point I got for registering my Retail Key.
C. I'm not going to because I don't give a crap.
D. Let me spell this out for you: There is so little advantage to these items, I'm not going to buy either one... FOR FREE.
E. Until you can find me someone who bought Federation Klingon (even with free bonus points) SPECIFICALLY because they felt they need the advantage of Warrior and Honorable, and who an argue what specific advantage they got from doing that, you really don't have an arguement.
F. Find me someone who bought Federation Ferengi for Natural Immunities and Acute Senses, and I'll show someone who doesn't understand how rolling alien works.
G. The best possible arguement you could make here is that selling Klingon abilties on the Federation side affects factional balance... well didn't WoW charge money when it introduced two races to the game which affected factional balance? Oh... part of a major expansion you say? Your right, one that costed $40, and if $40 for the whole expansion is fair why is $2 for just races unfair? Fraction of the content, fraction of the price... I don't see the problem here.
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The problem I see is actually very straightforward. Emmert said that anything in the C-store that affects gameplay will be available through gameplay. The playable races in the store affect gameplay, and they are not available ingame.
The marketting said one thing; it seems Cryptic did the opposite. Is it a problem when an MMO company says that a game will have a certain RMT model before they take people's money, and then afterwards they do the exact opposite? In my opinion, yeah, it's a problem.
People also seem to be saying that a 40% resistance buff isn't a big deal. First of all, it doesn't have to be a big deal; it just has to affect gameplay. If it affects gameplay, it must be available ingame, or Cryptic did not do what Emmert said they would. Secondly, when did a 40% resistance buff become insignifcant?
Also, if Cryptic wants to avoid all the negative press, all they have to do is make sure that items affecting gameplay are available ingame when they make them available in the shop. Is it really that hard to keep Jack's word? Tbh, I think Jack should step in and set things right at this point.
Anyone that wants a refund due to the apparent reversal on the RMT model should get one. Playable races that affect gameplay should be on the top of the list for the next content patch, so Jack can at least keep his word in a better late than never fashion. Then, any new content that affects gameplay should be made available ingame and at the cash shop simultaneously. If they do this, they are honouring the message they gave to customers before they took their money. Imo that's the right thing to do.
Right now, I think customer complaints are justified. Cryptic needs to set things right.
These are not races they are skins (with a couple of inconsequential traits).
Get your facts straight i would say before talking nonsense on a public forum.
Now... i don't want to piss in anyones cereal, but with the CC you can make a very good Klingon with the funky dreadlocks and the forehead of a xylophone and while he will read as "alien" instead of "klingon" i am sure most "real" klingons would agree to the fact that a defector or "insert RP reason for him not being raised a klingon" is fairly alien.
As for the feregi, i agree it is dificult to make a good ferengi ingame but otoh they are about as pleasent as the black death so i could not care less.
So what you are paying for is is 7 letters....
Not that anyone will care anyhow... Hate need to be spread and anger needs to be shouted with large letters and frantic waving of the arms.
Have anyone of you haters even tried to make a Klingon ingame with the Charater creator, 'cause i have and it was pretty easy.
This have been a good conversation
I haven't played STO or anny other cryptic game. But asking a monthly fee AND selling extra stuff in something that sounds like a cash shop is not so nice. I won't even think about it to try STO if this is true. You ask a monthly fee OR you have a cash shop, not both! that's just my opinion.
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I think fees for respecs, appereance changes or similar various services are not that uncommon to offer along with P2P model.
C-Store as it is now is nothing like item mall for F2P games. So far it only offers fluff of 2 federation playable races you can purchase with CP you get along with majority of retail offers.
Having to pay for expansion is acceptable even though you also have to pay monthly fee? Is it that difficult and such difference to imagine spliting up the expansion into specific content and features you can purchase separately?
If that is the case, I can see it as more options for me as a customer only.
Well Cryptic tends to monkey around with their games so much after release the respecs should be free. If you are talking about hair changes and the like, well thos are free, as far as real money is concerned, in other games. Changing names, changing servers, changing something that actually requires you know... a fair amount of service is another matter.
The problem is expansions are now released alongside mico-trans so when before you would get levels and more bankspace and new content (a good amount of content) for an expansion costing around 30 dollars, now they will give you the levels, minor, minor amounts of content and then make you pay extra for bankspace (example). So not only are you getting microtranned right out the door for content, they are holding content out of expansions to microtran all while demanding the same amount for the sub... and there is no game out there that costs 15 dollars a month to simply maintain. That 15 should pay for ongoing content, not just patches and fixes.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Balance changes are common in every game and it is a part of the process.
Different games offer different services for different prices. Appereance change is not always free. It all depends on the game but in all cases the charge is for exclusivity and above standard services.
So hated micro-transactions... First, please do take a look at what is being offered in C-Store for CO:
http://www.champions-online.com/store
Everything there is fluff not affecting gameplay and/or exclusive services. It is nothing like micro-transaction => RMT => Item Mall seen with F2P games!
You are not charged as you imply, C-Store content is optional. No way you 'need' anything from there, no way anything would give you advantage over other players.
Offering an expansion through C-Store is just a matter of trade channel - nothing more, nothing less. There is no difference wheter you purchase it directly paying with your visa or you by CP and purchase it through C-Store.
Wheter 15$ monthly fee is enough or not to 'simply' pay for server and infrastructure maintenance along with upgrades, I can't say. But I can say that majority games charging monthy fee are charging for expansions too.
Conclusion:
Cryptic is not doing anything uncommon. The C-Store might offer more services and items than other developers do but it is far from being dependant on or it makes any ingame difference.
Wheter to purchase new content via C-Store is up to everyones consideration as is any expansion purchase.
The facts are all right here: http://www.startrekonline.com/store. You can purchase these races along with their inherent bonuses at the online store. I disagree, btw, that a 40% resistance buff is "inconsequential."
These cash shop options clearly affect gameplay, and contrary to what Jack Emmert told people, they do not appear to be available ingame.
I believe my "facts" are well supported.
The same buff - Natural Immunities got ie. Benzite race...
You can make custome race with Acute Sense and Natural Immunities which Ferrengi race got and the only difference will be appereance.
Your 'facts' are just well supported trash.
The facts are all right here: http://www.startrekonline.com/store. You can purchase these races along with their inherent bonuses at the online store. I disagree, btw, that a 40% resistance buff is "inconsequential."
These cash shop options clearly affect gameplay, and contrary to what Jack Emmert told people, they do not appear to be available ingame.
I believe my "facts" are well supported.
The proof is in the pudding.
If you play the game you will understand how inconsequential they are. Coupled with the fact that there are so many of these triats to choose from that in the end they are neither here nor there.
When you create a char in STOL you can choose the traits for your char, some are locked to the race.Two locked and two to choose from. And if you create an Alien char you get to choose all four traits. Further to that you can, if you like, choose all space traits or all ground traits or a mixture of the two.
And there are so many to choose from, about 10 to 15 traits to choose from that even reading them all feels like a waste of time, you just look for what you are more interested in and go with that. And a lot of the traits are repeated across different races even the ones for Klingons and Frengi(they are not unquie to these races). I for example ignored all ground type traits and picked the Space based ones for my chars.
Hence my conclusion that they are inconsequential in the greater scheme of the game.
I got the Gold box and got 500 points to spend in the Cstore. And as such i can buy one of these skins. If everyone gets these points regardless of the box they buy then everyone will be able to get the skins. Do people who get the regular box get points to spend in the Cstore?
It's not at ALL proportionately cheaper.
Expansions are what, 30 bucks? For 3 dollars or so you get a Klingon skin and two Klingon abilities for a Federation officer. That's it. There's no special Federation Klingon starting area, no special content for them at all beyond the skin and two abilities. That's NOT 10% of any remotely decent expansion at all. Heck, that's not even 10% of a decent content patch. It's proportionately far, far more expensive.
See that distinction between a cosmetic skin and actual game content.
This is completely optional. Most people will never play half of the races available to them since at most you have only 5 slots available and about 15 races in the game.
A lot of people will never play Federation Klingon or Ferengi and never miss it.
All that other expansion content you mentioned would actually change the gameplay. Sound to me like it would make more sense to complain about having to pay for that since it's unavoidable content that you'd be missing out on. Not optional content that you don't need.
Before you go too far down your current path, you should know that the new playable races only available via the online store are not cosmetic skins.
"Not every Klingon warrior yearns to serve the Empire. Purchase of this option allows you to create Klingon Federation Officers. These Captains begin with the Warrior (5% improvement to Ranged Weapon Damage, 10% percent improvement to Physical Melee Damage, 10% improvement to Critical Severity) and Honorable (5% resistance to all damage, 10% improvement to Threat Rating) traits. They may choose two additional traits."
and,
"Put your latinum in the slot and create a Ferengi Federation Officer! These Captains begin with the Natural Immunities (40% resistance to Toxic Damage, 40% resistance to Radiation Damage) and Acute Senses (20% improvement to Stealth Sight, 10% bonus to Exploit Damage) traits. They may choose two additional traits." (STO official site)
Those are some pretty badass buffs.
From the launch day interview
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3977
"It's fairly limited right now. It will include the Ferengi and Klingon races to be playable for the Federation side at launch. We want to get an idea of what players want before adding much more. But we're sticking to the notion that if it affects gameplay, there will be ways of attaining whatever is available in the store in-game."
Cool, ok, how do I get these two new races in game then? They seem to have stats that effect gameplay yes? So they should be ways to attain them for free, by playing?
Or lies already?
Doesn't necessarily mean it will be available in-game right away. That would decrease the value of purchasing it through the C-Store.
So you are saying they are NOT attainable in game?
That would be lies then.
btw, god forbid we decrease the value of the C-Store with actual gameplay eh? I honestly don't understand why 'gamers' argue to support or justify this crap tbh.
I think MMO gaming really needs to take a serious look on what is acceptable when it comes to whats in the box price and whats not.
Right now Cryptic is taking it one step further with asking ppl to pay for the box + multiple extra content for X amount.
I personally do not support this kind of buisness practice and therefor Im not buying StarTrek online. Thats how simple it is.
The same buff - Natural Immunities got ie. Benzite race...
You can make custome race with Acute Sense and Natural Immunities which Ferrengi race got and the only difference will be appereance.
Your 'facts' are just well supported trash.
No need to get hostile (i.e. calling my comments trash). Let me try to put this simply. Do the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races impact gameplay? I believe the answer is yes. The stat bonus packages affect gameplay. Emmert said anything affecting gameplay that is sold in the C-store will also be available ingame. Are the Ferengi and Federation Klingon races (with their stat bonus packages) available ingame? I believe the answer is no. Do you see the disconnect?
Also, I don't think you're being entirely honest in your comparison of the Benzite and Ferengi races. They share natural immunities, yes. They do not, however, share acutes senses. In fact no starting race available ingame has both natural immunities and acute senses. This combination is only available via the online store. So despite your disparaging remarks and attempts to obfuscate matters, it appears that the same problem remains: something that is available via RMT and affects gameplay is not available ingame, contrary to what Mr. Emmert told customers before this game went live.
All starting stats in STO are available here:
http://www.massively.com/2010/01/19/massivelys-guide-to-the-character-traits-of-star-trek-online/3
P.S. You can also see that no starting races available ingame on the federation side have the same bonuses as the Klingon, avaiable only in the online store. I'd love it if Emmert kept his word on this btw. I happen to like him, and I think he's brilliant. In this instance, however, it appears that he did not, and I think that's a problem.
You only state that it affects gameplay and you have the right to dislike C-Store and express your oppinion, and it will be respected but it does not mean your assumptions are true.
As I pointed out in other thread:
1) In case of Ferrengi, the difference from ingame already available custom made character, is appereance only.
Appereance does not change how character opeates, thus not affecting gameplay.
2) In case of federation Klingon, the difference from ingame available character is faction only.
Faction does not change how character operates, thus not affecting gameplay.
You only state that it affects gameplay and you have the right to dislike C-Store and express your oppinion, and it will be respected but it does not mean your assumptions are true.
As I pointed out in other thread:
1) In case of Ferrengi, the difference from ingame already available custom made character, is appereance only.
Appereance does not change how character opeates, thus not affecting gameplay.
2) In case of federation Klingon, the difference from ingame available character is faction only.
Faction does not change how character operates, thus not affecting gameplay.
It seems like some ppl dont get it. If a gamer wants to play a Ferrengi or Klingon - then they should be able to do so WITHOUT extra cost. After all - its still part of the content in the game even tho it only affects the Avatar look. Roleplaying part of it is OBVIOUS and since this is a mmoRPG then it affects the game no matter how you look at it.
Gamers should be able to play the ROLE they want in any mmoRPG - without any extra cost. Cryptic is denying players that pay FULL price for the box AND sub the opertunity to play part of the RPG content of their game. Not to mention Borg race only playable if you have already payed for lifetime account.
Cryptic is turning an entire IP into a joke. Thats why I say No thx.
The fact you want something does not bind anyone else to anything, sorry.
You are not paying to make the product/service for you so you could rise such claims and demand content.
I wonder how much additional character slots are goig to be...
I see a lot of people trying to defend something that's indefensible, they call it "nonsense" or "irrelevant", but they don't seem to be able to deny the facts.
Fact: They said they wouldn't charge for something that affected the game that you couldn't already get in the game - they did.
Thanks for letting me know this, i certainly will not try STO. It's funny how "the guys in charge" can go back on what they said and the "little guys" will even make up their excuses for them, it's like mental-domination. Once you start swallowing the little lies.....