I'm very familiar with how it works outside the U.S and if I wanted to live in a nanny state I'd go live in France. But since I prefer to live in a country that, for the time being at least, is friendly to business and common sense of the consumer I will stay in America.
Let us know how you feel about that when you see yourself on the wrong end of the capitalist machine.
Won't happen. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the big governent machine. To me that would be way worse.
I'm very familiar with how it works outside the U.S and if I wanted to live in a nanny state I'd go live in France. But since I prefer to live in a country that, for the time being at least, is friendly to business and common sense of the consumer I will stay in America.
Let us know how you feel about that when you see yourself on the wrong end of the capitalist machine.
Won't happen. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the big governent machine. To me that would be way worse.
There is a difference between these machines?
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Exactly. This thread boils down to the current state of the American mindset. "Don't take any responsibility for your own actions. Expect someone else to take care of your screwups."
Actually it's the mindset of the companies that are the problem. Why should we bother releasing finished games that function correctly out of the box when we can release it early, tell everyone to buy it anyway, and wait 2weeks to a month to get a patch. Oh, and let's advertise whatever the hell we want because false advertisement doesn't apply to us. Personally, I don't need to ask for my money back anymore. It's the behavior I mentioned just now that keeps me from pre-ordering pretty much anything. I wait for reviews, consumer and so called pros, and see waht the issues are and whether or not they are important to me.
By the way, for those who are not familiar with locations outside of the USA, it's not an American mindset at all. There are very strong return laws outside of the USA that allows them to return a lot of stuff we don't by law. A lot of return policy in the USA is not by law, there are some products that have laws though, but policy. HUGE difference. But hey, no reason to expand your narrow mindset.
Hmmm. Let me try this again since my post seemed to miss the mark I was shooting for.
Cryptic (bastards they may be) didn't advertise falsely.
Cryptic (still possibly bastards) didn't hold a gun to your head and make you buy their game.
No game (or anything for that matter) will please everyone.
I do agree with Nesrie on the point of waiting for reviews and such before making ANY purchase. Otherwise, you take chances and possibly get burned.
As far as my narrow mindset goes, that too is a matter of opinion. In the meantime, I will choose to take responsibility for my own actions.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Emphasis on the theoretically. In reality the state is made of career politicians whose only interest is for those who fund their campaigns, NOT the little guy who simply shows up and votes.
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Emphasis on the theoretically. In reality the state is made of career politicians whose only interest is for those who fund their campaigns, NOT the little guy who simply shows up and votes.
Heh, and suppose you know how politicians are in every democratic country in the world? You do realise that many (european) countries has strong rules and regulations against lobbying, hence hindering alot of those career politicians who are working for the interest of private companies rather than the people.
Not all politicians are like american politicans, heck not even all american politicians are like typical american politicans. Isn't Obama trying to introduce universal healthcare for the people? I fail to see how that will help funding his future campaigns, quite the opposite as many private health companies are probably now lobbying against him. But that is another discussion not belonging in this thread.
Should have titled the thread "How to throw a temper tantrum and issue fraudulent chargebacks"
This, x9000
Exactly!!
It boggles my mind that anyone would even try to get a refund.
And yet Cryptic is giving them. Go figure.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
It took me 4 two hour hold time calls before I finally found a CSR that would correctly refund the money for me. First guy promised the refund and never did it... I couldnt wait any longer on hold for the next 2 calls and then on Tuesday I spoke with David and he did the process in about 20 minutes after I had already waited on hold for 2 hours and 10 minutes. They are just swamped to say the least but I'm happy... I got my lifetime refund and never bought the game (I had it pre-ordered but I canceled that as well). It took me about 2 weeks though to get this all done.
I canceled because while the game was good in some areas it still didn't feel like a MMO to me. It seemed more instanced than Aion or Guild Wars. I may try the game again in six months but the lifetime was not worth it in my opinion.
Played: DAoC 6 years, WoW 2 years, Ultima/EQ 1+ years, AoC/Aion/Rift/SWTOR a few months Tried: Warhammer, EQ2, Vanguard, Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Runes of Magic and many, many others... Currently Playing: DAOC
I'm very familiar with how it works outside the U.S and if I wanted to live in a nanny state I'd go live in France. But since I prefer to live in a country that, for the time being at least, is friendly to business and common sense of the consumer I will stay in America.
Let us know how you feel about that when you see yourself on the wrong end of the capitalist machine.
Lol, wow. We've had a run on liberal kool-aid on aisle 12. Need a re-stock asap.
The great thing about America is that you can choose which end of the so-called 'capitalist machine' that you're on. The choice isn't made for you by some bureaucrat looking to appease armies of lobbyists or buy union votes (though they're trying really hard to force it in that direction).
I know, because I've been on the wrong end. Then I got an education and a work ethic.
A bit more on topic, chargebacks may exist in a moral gray area, but they aren't illegal. And as someone above me pointed out, Cryptic is offering refunds, so obviously they're not opposed to facilitating buyer's remorse.
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Emphasis on the theoretically. In reality the state is made of career politicians whose only interest is for those who fund their campaigns, NOT the little guy who simply shows up and votes.
Heh, and suppose you know how politicians are in every democratic country in the world? You do realise that many (european) countries has strong rules and regulations against lobbying, hence hindering alot of those career politicians who are working for the interest of private companies rather than the people.
Not all politicians are like american politicans, heck not even all american politicians are like typical american politicans. Isn't Obama trying to introduce universal healthcare for the people? I fail to see how that will help funding his future campaigns, quite the opposite as many private health companies are probably now lobbying against him. But that is another discussion not belonging in this thread.
It's NOT universal healthcare. The healthcare plan is going to make it mandatory for everyone to buy health insurance without a public option. Believe me, the insurance lobby is LOVING this plan. But anyways, back to the thread...
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Let us know how you feel about that when you see yourself on the wrong end of the capitalist machine.
Won't happen. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the big governent machine. To me that would be way worse.
There is a difference between these machines?
Let us know how you feel about that when you see yourself on the wrong end of the capitalist machine.
Won't happen. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the big governent machine. To me that would be way worse.
There is a difference between these machines?
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Actually it's the mindset of the companies that are the problem. Why should we bother releasing finished games that function correctly out of the box when we can release it early, tell everyone to buy it anyway, and wait 2weeks to a month to get a patch. Oh, and let's advertise whatever the hell we want because false advertisement doesn't apply to us. Personally, I don't need to ask for my money back anymore. It's the behavior I mentioned just now that keeps me from pre-ordering pretty much anything. I wait for reviews, consumer and so called pros, and see waht the issues are and whether or not they are important to me.
By the way, for those who are not familiar with locations outside of the USA, it's not an American mindset at all. There are very strong return laws outside of the USA that allows them to return a lot of stuff we don't by law. A lot of return policy in the USA is not by law, there are some products that have laws though, but policy. HUGE difference. But hey, no reason to expand your narrow mindset.
Hmmm. Let me try this again since my post seemed to miss the mark I was shooting for.
Cryptic (bastards they may be) didn't advertise falsely.
Cryptic (still possibly bastards) didn't hold a gun to your head and make you buy their game.
No game (or anything for that matter) will please everyone.
I do agree with Nesrie on the point of waiting for reviews and such before making ANY purchase. Otherwise, you take chances and possibly get burned.
As far as my narrow mindset goes, that too is a matter of opinion. In the meantime, I will choose to take responsibility for my own actions.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Emphasis on the theoretically. In reality the state is made of career politicians whose only interest is for those who fund their campaigns, NOT the little guy who simply shows up and votes.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Emphasis on the theoretically. In reality the state is made of career politicians whose only interest is for those who fund their campaigns, NOT the little guy who simply shows up and votes.
Heh, and suppose you know how politicians are in every democratic country in the world? You do realise that many (european) countries has strong rules and regulations against lobbying, hence hindering alot of those career politicians who are working for the interest of private companies rather than the people.
Not all politicians are like american politicans, heck not even all american politicians are like typical american politicans. Isn't Obama trying to introduce universal healthcare for the people? I fail to see how that will help funding his future campaigns, quite the opposite as many private health companies are probably now lobbying against him. But that is another discussion not belonging in this thread.
This, x9000
Exactly!!
It boggles my mind that anyone would even try to get a refund.
This, x9000
Exactly!!
It boggles my mind that anyone would even try to get a refund.
And yet Cryptic is giving them. Go figure.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
It took me 4 two hour hold time calls before I finally found a CSR that would correctly refund the money for me. First guy promised the refund and never did it... I couldnt wait any longer on hold for the next 2 calls and then on Tuesday I spoke with David and he did the process in about 20 minutes after I had already waited on hold for 2 hours and 10 minutes. They are just swamped to say the least but I'm happy... I got my lifetime refund and never bought the game (I had it pre-ordered but I canceled that as well). It took me about 2 weeks though to get this all done.
I canceled because while the game was good in some areas it still didn't feel like a MMO to me. It seemed more instanced than Aion or Guild Wars. I may try the game again in six months but the lifetime was not worth it in my opinion.
Played: DAoC 6 years, WoW 2 years, Ultima/EQ 1+ years, AoC/Aion/Rift/SWTOR a few months
Tried: Warhammer, EQ2, Vanguard, Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Runes of Magic and many, many others...
Currently Playing: DAOC
Let us know how you feel about that when you see yourself on the wrong end of the capitalist machine.
Lol, wow. We've had a run on liberal kool-aid on aisle 12. Need a re-stock asap.
The great thing about America is that you can choose which end of the so-called 'capitalist machine' that you're on. The choice isn't made for you by some bureaucrat looking to appease armies of lobbyists or buy union votes (though they're trying really hard to force it in that direction).
I know, because I've been on the wrong end. Then I got an education and a work ethic.
A bit more on topic, chargebacks may exist in a moral gray area, but they aren't illegal. And as someone above me pointed out, Cryptic is offering refunds, so obviously they're not opposed to facilitating buyer's remorse.
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Yes, one is to act for the interest of all citizens (or rather the majority of) and the other act on the interest of its shareholders (with the ones holding the majority of shares being prioritized).
Private corporations have their main, and maybe only, interest in making money where as States main interest is in the welfare of their citizens. Atleast theoretically.
Emphasis on the theoretically. In reality the state is made of career politicians whose only interest is for those who fund their campaigns, NOT the little guy who simply shows up and votes.
Heh, and suppose you know how politicians are in every democratic country in the world? You do realise that many (european) countries has strong rules and regulations against lobbying, hence hindering alot of those career politicians who are working for the interest of private companies rather than the people.
Not all politicians are like american politicans, heck not even all american politicians are like typical american politicans. Isn't Obama trying to introduce universal healthcare for the people? I fail to see how that will help funding his future campaigns, quite the opposite as many private health companies are probably now lobbying against him. But that is another discussion not belonging in this thread.
It's NOT universal healthcare. The healthcare plan is going to make it mandatory for everyone to buy health insurance without a public option. Believe me, the insurance lobby is LOVING this plan. But anyways, back to the thread...
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft