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Very Fed up with Sony
bosmer24
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I recently got exciting about playing EQ2 again,and ever since re subscribing i've enjoyed playing my favorite class that I hold very dear to me.Which is the Ranger.I always play Ranger or ranger type classes in any mmo i play.I love the Bow.I am finishing up some quests in moors,and after a few days of going back i learn that my guild is going on a raid.I asked to if i could join.
SILENCE...
Minute goes by...
"Sorry we're full"
Excuses like these continue.I've helped this guild reach level 80,and they are constantly giving me the shaft it seems.Then I finally get into a raid only to be asked to leave so they could replace me with a swashy. That angered me to no end.I quietly logged off.
I log back on.Then I start asking a fellow guildy about it who also has a ranger.He said,and i quote,"You have 3 choices as a ranger,betray,solo or leave" He then proceeds to tell me how Rangers have been nerfed and are going to be nerfed in the new expansion.
I hate Sony right now,tired of them crapping on my favorite class.RANT OFF!
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Sorry,lots of typos.Usually happens when i rant
TBH, ranger isn't an uber class atm but can hold his ground in raids himself. They probably didn't took you to raids because either 1) they got already 1-3 in their raid (going without any ranger would be dumb) or 2) you'r seriously undergeared and they didn't wanted to tell you.
My guess it aint sony's but your raid leaders fault.
Perhaps it is a result of the terrible class structure and lack of balance eq2 has?
When current players advise new players to avoid certain classes, because they are of little to no use to groups/raids at high levels that is a problem at the design level.
Perhaps it is a result of the terrible class structure and lack of balance eq2 has?
When current players advise new players to avoid certain classes, because they are of little to no use to groups/raids at high levels that is a problem at the design level.
I don't think it's so much that, as it is the established player base being elitist. Just like in WoW where a raid leader would rather take a 4th mage to get that 8k dps instead of one Shadow Priest who can pull 6-7k... A lot of the raiding guilds in EQ2 aere stacked with players, most who have been around since launch so classes aere pretty much full.
rangers are completely useless on raids. this is SOE's fault.
however, if your guild wasn't planning on letting you play, why the hell did they recruit you? or better yet, why did you join?
I would suggest the following:
1. Tell your guild that you can parse in the Top 3 and see if they still take you. If you can't parse in the top 3 as a ranger, there is no reason for them to bring you along unless they like your for your personality - which we already know they don't.
2. Ask your guild whether you'd be guaranteed a spot if you betrayed to assassin. This will answer the question of whether they didn't take you because you're a ranger (SOE's fault) or because you're YOU (your fault). I'm not saying you SHOULD betray, I'm saying this is a good way to find out.
Rangers suck for raiding in EQ2. At the same time, rangers have sucked for 5 years, so it's not news to anyone. I have an extremely well-geared lvl 80 ranger. Despite the fact that I can outparse most other classes in pick-up raids, I'm usually not wanted in them. My raiding guild raids (and has successfully raided past 3 years) without a single ranger in the raid. (Ranger is not my main).
Overall if your goal is to play EQ2 and raid, you have options:
1. Reroll as a useful class.
2. Get really good at playing the ranger and find a raiding guild that wants you as a ranger and has a spot for you as a ranger. They are rare, but they do exist. A ranger has to be twice as good a player and three times as well equipped as his competition in order to succeed. You've been warned.
If your goals is simply to play a ranger, I recommend AoC or AION, they have cool rangers.
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enter old ass gamer on the porch mode/
I remember back in the day raiding was about fun and excitement and the joy of several gamer friends seeing content , having fun and wooping ass.
now it's all about the min/max bs numbers numbers and numbers, how well do you parse, whats your gear look like?
blah to it all, any game I have ever played I have been either a guild leader, officer , or raid leader, or all of the above, and I ALWAYS let anyone who wanted to come along go, as long as we had heals and tanks covered, (design says you have need of those)
all I can say is screw any of those elitist jerks who say your class sucks we want (insert uber dps caster class here).
It takes away from all the fun and hence why a lot of folks dont enjoy raiding any more whatsoever ...
Sad how the fun disappeared , when you find a guild who is in it for the fun and enjoyment stick around, those are the gamers worth playing with IMO....
/end old ass gamer on the porch rant mode....
It is less Sony's fault or any other game companies , and more of the number crunching win win win I want my loots players fault more than anything else.....
this of course is all my personal opinion
not sony's fault, it's your guilds. They should be able to be any content in game with or without a certain class, period. If that's not the case, then I'd suggest looking elsewhere, they probably are a bunch of scrubs.
As far as the ranger class specifically, every class has it's ups and downs over time. It wasn't too long ago that the ranger class was one of the more broken classes in the game, constantly being able to parse #1 raidwide. Hell, I remember when stun poisons used to effect epics back in T6. Had a ranger guildy (who, btw, is pretty much responsible for the slow gradual nerf of the class) solo Terrorantula down to 50%. A while ago...but not ancient history.
Bottom line, with the constant changes and level increases, I'm sure you'll have your fun in the sun again. In the meantime, you should find a guild looking for competent players, and not specific classes
I completely agree with that. It reminds me of a raid we did in L2 under with a real odd party....
We were in the Rift moving along nicely, when suddenly we encountered one of the Raids there (the lvl 54 one I thought). We were all but prepared and setup to do a raid, but since we (as a clan) knew each other pretty well we decided to give it a go.
It took long to kill the raid (extremely long, 10+ minutes), but in the end we managed it, without even one party member falling...
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I couldn't possibly agree with you more wolvie3131.
What the hell ever happened to playing for fun?
Ask your guild this: "If you lose 2k DPS by taking me, and it's a 120 second fight normally, the fight will take less than 30 more seconds. So are you guys not capable of performing for another 30 seconds? Really?"
Then, if it were me, I'd quit the guild and find people who care more about fun than being min-maxing idiots.
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If your guild is excluding you because of a perception that your class has been gimped by SOE, then I understand your point. I had that same issue in my first mmo. But if they are excluding you because your gear isn't to a level that their raid needs or for some personal reason, that's just part of online gaming with others. It happens everywhere.
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if you just rejoined you're probably not geared enough (depends on the raid) just because you hit 80 doesn't mean you can do every raid.
do you have your t2-t3 stuff?
Do you have your epic? is it Mythical or fabled
do you have all your spells Adept 3 (er expert) or master?
what do you parse?
sorry rangers while not the greatest class still can be very good and useful to a raid.
My guild which is an avatar raiding guild always uses a ranger, because 1) hes a good friend and 2) he can parse like a son of a ....
the Evil Raider that outgears you and makes you cry for welfare epics on the forums.
my two cents on this one:
whilst i'm no fan of soe and their nerfing practices - you need to find yourself a new guild (or a new game if all the community is like this).
i had a ranger in AoC and whilst it wasn't a "burden", it could have easitly be outclassed in a raid by other more powerful group-oriented classes.
yet, my guild was always fair and friendly and stuck to the rule "first come first serve", and i was in most of my guild's raids.
if your raid leader only thinks about loot and raid chances then i suggest moving on.
ranger is a very particular issue since in its essence its a soloable, rounded, "jack of all traits master of none" class with little to contribute in a group;.
Hate to say this but it says more about your guild than sony.
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That's what you get when playing class based games. It's not SONY fault (this time:P)
I never played EQ2 too much, but was wondering with so many classes are any of them useless?
Perhaps it is a result of the terrible class structure and lack of balance eq2 has?
When current players advise new players to avoid certain classes, because they are of little to no use to groups/raids at high levels that is a problem at the design level.
Wth? Seriously Daffidoll, if you hate this game so much, why are you posting on here? You never miss a chance to bash the game. IT IS NOT SOE'S FAULT THAT THE PLAYERS GUILD DECIDED TO BE JERKS AND NOT INCLUDE HIM IN A RAID. This has NOTHING to do with SOE, the guild just decided they didn't want to include this particular character in the RAID. I have NEVER been refused participation in a raid unless the raid has already started, and I've played every class in the game. So don't give me this idiotic "its SOE's fault" when its not.
Daffidoll, if you don't like the game, don't play it and don't spend all your time on a board for a game you aren't interested in because you know very well how it appears to the rest of us.
I am lacking in gear as most of you stated,but why continue to nerf a class that has already been nerfed so badly that our class is not even going to be considered a DPS class soon.I've been reading a lot about the newest expansion coming out,and rangers get royally screwed.
We won't be able to keep up with the other scout classes.We have no buffs except run speed,so in a raid situation rangers are going to be useless.Why have a ranger when you can have a Swashbuckler that has utility and can out DPS a ranger?I see where they are coming from.
I am just going to play my swashbuckler,and hope they toss rangers a bone soon.
This is very much about a bad guild and less with SOE. People are so obsessed with numbers they are determined that's all that matters. My main is a monk.. not the best of tanks and only a medicore DPS. I've never been turned down by my guild on a raid request. And we are a guild of 150. They know I can't DPS, my best ability is group FD
. But my guild worries less about raiding and more about making sure everyone is having fun. It sounds like that's the kind of people you need to find
now in this thread they talk about rangers - who really can parse more than decent if played well.....well geared.
then can come to brawlers (monk and bruisers) they in my perception is a ok DPSing but able to off tank when needed. and well you need some really nice gear and AAs to be able to tank well in 1 group content....in raid content you just dont have that little extra buff of pick up when MT or OT drops - some brawlers can but that more of the benefit of the healers + the other tank types DPS just as well or in AEs fight better.
that all said brawlers get some love next expansion and so does rangers.....since afew mechanics is simplified, to better sort the cross dmg classes.
SONY forces raids to have brawlers by some nameds have a failure trigger if you dont have them, which in itself is just silly - in my guild we have had a brawler alt geared just to encounter this but never in the raid as a main.
over all. all classes are viable, but some takes less work to make the raid over all work.....like ranger vs its counterpart Assassins.....rangers if the same person play both classes - figure its clicky rotations proper, the assassin WILL parse higher....and those classes is in the raid for DPS + crit debuffing the mobs and to top it off rangers aint ranged DPS as such sure they got ranged atks but half their combat arts is melee ranged.
either way ppl will always bitch about their class not working, and for one I find SOE changing their chars too much from player feedbacks. they really need to decide what the purpose of each class is and work mechanics around it, cant think of how many times something got better n worse for some classes....its all number crushing not something for the playerbase to decide to an extent where SOE themself dont know what each class main point is - like chanters ATM being DPS and not power/buff and erhm what was that last thing they supposed to be hmm......oh yea once when ppl were bad geared crowd control
and to OP find yourself a new guild or look at your gear and ask if your char is ready to raid, I fully understand them not wanting you if you are in RoK legendary gear, when they were going to clear YiS or something.
There is a ranger in my raid this very minute. Sometimes more if when we raid with alts. We are pretty casual though. Taking their sweet time doing DKP so I have time to post. There are some jerks out there for sure. Find another guild. There are guilds out their that just raid for fun and the joking around. Might not be able to kill Anashti, but you can still have fun.
Perhaps it is a result of the terrible class structure and lack of balance eq2 has?
When current players advise new players to avoid certain classes, because they are of little to no use to groups/raids at high levels that is a problem at the design level.
Wth? Seriously Daffidoll, if you hate this game so much, why are you posting on here? You never miss a chance to bash the game. IT IS NOT SOE'S FAULT THAT THE PLAYERS GUILD DECIDED TO BE JERKS AND NOT INCLUDE HIM IN A RAID. This has NOTHING to do with SOE, the guild just decided they didn't want to include this particular character in the RAID. I have NEVER been refused participation in a raid unless the raid has already started, and I've played every class in the game. So don't give me this idiotic "its SOE's fault" when its not.
Daffidoll, if you don't like the game, don't play it and don't spend all your time on a board for a game you aren't interested in because you know very well how it appears to the rest of us.
Moirae honey, you will find the same words I say here echoed from current players. You can complain about me, other player or guilds all you want, but in the end soe is the only one responsible or able to do anything about the balancing of their classes. It seems you always find some way to place fault on anyone who has even the slightest criticism of eq2 regardless of who they are.
Just look for yourself at the advice the current players give to people who are thinking about playing the game. This isn't something that was just fabricated and it standard advice most new players receive.
Rage on the people who post criticisms all you want, but that doesn't change the nature of what is being said and a lot of people are saying it.
Maybe there is an issue with elitism in the game, but in this case it looks to be the players reacting and dealing with what they are given. They condition certain classes are in is beyond their control and it isn't their fault that certain classes bring less to a group than the class standing right next to them. That is a design problem, not a people problem.
The issue seems to be the elitist attitude that EQ2 seems to be left with as a community now. They got to have the perfect raid team, despite you being on the team they'd most likely still win the raid, but no, these elitists need the perfect number stats! I don't blame you for leaving, playing with elitist gamers is not a nice experience. You should raid the bank of the guild before leaving, as a farewell, up yours to these elitists.
Hate to say this but it says more about your guild than sony.
Agreed,
If your guild isn't going to stick with you...you don't really need them. At their core, no MMO is about loot and raids, its about the multiplayer aspect and if other folks want to dictate to you either directly OR indirectly, how and what you should play to be "useful", f*ck'em.
You pay your sub not them, play how and what you want. If your guild leader pays your sub fee, fine, he can tell you what to do, other then that, f*ck'em.
You pay and play for YOUR enjoyment not their convienence.
Find a guild of like minded people. If memory serves, EQII has a great search engine for guilds.
The problem is that you are looking for high profile RAID guilds. Those are elitish to the bone, full of arrogant turds with an even more horrible, almost facistich attitude.
Go look for casual RAID guilds. Or guilds that have a RAID alliance with other guilds. Those are far less picky, more friendly and RAID for FUN! (like the guild I am in on Antonia Bayle)
Sure you probably won't get to see the Top RAIDs and get the most Top End gear. But at least you get to RAID and have FUN!
Your choice really.
The problem is that you are looking for high profile RAID guilds. Those are elitish to the bone, full of arrogant turds with an even more horrible, almost facistich attitude.
Go look for casual RAID guilds. Or guilds that have a RAID alliance with other guilds. Those are far less picky, more friendly and RAID for FUN! (like the guild I am in on Antonia Bayle)
Sure you probably won't get to see the Top RAIDs and get the most Top End gear. But at least you get to RAID and have FUN!
Your choice really.
actually you miss understood the whole post so it seems. I am not looking for a high profile guild of any sort, I have always led a CASUAL , FUN for ALL type guild, in any game I played (read my post again) I am in a fun friendly helpful guild on Butcherblock atm.
I was saying too many gamers have become more worried about numbers and loots in raids instead of just having FUN, which was what games are meant for in the first place. (screw all that raiding iz seriuz Bizznizz garbage)
I made the right choice for me as I always do