There is always some new trick to read about. It seem to never stop coming new stuff from creative Rogues. In comparison, it would take me just a few lines to describe the Burglar in LOTRO.
I guess you are playing the games on a completely different level as I do.
The only really cool thing I can think of is that rogues can sensibly mix and match their talent trees to a level hardly any other class can; mages are basically either arcane, fire or frost; paladins holy, protection or retribution; etcetera. The rogue's combat tree is about the most boring talent tree around with combat skills. Assassination has some nice poison skills and subtlety some nice sneaking. *shrug*
LOTRO burglars have a wide range of completely different skills than WOW rogues have (often mainly useful in groups), while WOW rogues have a far wider variation of combat skills than LOTRO burglars (and WOW rogues do far more damage in combat than their LOTRO counterparts). On the other hand, a lot is the same; for instance, LOTRO burglars have the "Hide in plain sight" skill; you'll never guess what that does...
Rogues in WoW are more of a brigand, light armored high damage class. Burglars of lotro are a thief type class, I actually think they are a more of a unique class than the wow's rogue is, but I'm not going to get into this discussion again.
The rogue is not really unique on paper( or at all really), but the way it plays in wow is loads funner then how this class plays in other games, imo at least. It's just a really fun class, and i'll agree to that, but not being unique. I'm not gona say that wow is the best game ever, because that is merely opinion. It's probably the best game for the millions that play it, similar to how darkfall is the best to a couple thousand that play it. These numbers obviously prove nothing when it comes to opinions.
Wow didn't become popular because of some hatefilled reason.("because it's easy", "only morons play it because they don't know better"), it became popular because blizzard is a smart company that was already established, came along at a good time, and, like mentioned before, a snowball effect. And now it can hold on to this market because of it's sheer numbers, and quantity/quality of content(talking about polish wise). Lets just say aion and wow both provide the same level of entertainment for player A. Why would player A leave an established and extremely polished game, with more content coming at faster intervals, and where he has already established himself in that community? Is it because he's a stupid ten year old who likes to run a raid by pressing one button and watching tv for an hour? I doubt it. He'll just burnout eventually and pick up a new one.
As for WoW being to easy, ya. It's as casual as you make it.I'm sure thousands of players have gone through ice crown citadel for example, maybe only 5% percent of those have downed anything in hardmode. Then, only a couple hundred have downed end-wing bosses on hard, and none have downed lich king on hard. And you have to remember, these guilds downing hardmodes are not your average player. They are literally pro in every sense of the word. Just go do some research on ensidia or stars.
So all in all, wow is not a horrible game, and no game can be classified as "the best" because that is merely opinion. I still find myself jumping in and out of wow because i really like how the classes play, and it's bg's/raids are moderately fun.Then i get bored and switch to Lotro, or whatever mmo that catches my interest that month.
Lotro is not even a PvP game (RvR is non existent), so meaningless to compare it with the pure pvp rogue class in WOW. As a rogue abilities were mainly discussed on its PvP merits. If you play a rogue in Wow PvP it is a wet dream coming true ... until you start bleeding.
So, regarding what you say, there can actually be no classes in LOTRO that can be compared to any in WoW since WoW is as a game that is balanced around 2v2 PvP.
I went into BG with my Rogue last night, and I must say I did quite well for not having played rogue in pvp ever before, and been away for over a year too from the game. I was actually right in the top, even at level 63. Maybe things changes dramatically, but still, doing as well as I did, even against people from level 67-69, I must say I was mighty impressed.
And bleeds aint no problem for me... I am a Dwarf Rogue
Lotro is not even a PvP game (RvR is non existent), so meaningless to compare it with the pure pvp rogue class in WOW. As a rogue abilities were mainly discussed on its PvP merits. If you play a rogue in Wow PvP it is a wet dream coming true ... until you start bleeding.
So, regarding what you say, there can actually be no classes in LOTRO that can be compared to any in WoW since WoW is as a game that is balanced around 2v2 PvP.
I went into BG with my Rogue last night, and I must say I did quite well for not having played rogue in pvp ever before, and been away for over a year too from the game. I was actually right in the top, even at level 63. Maybe things changes dramatically, but still, doing as well as I did, even against people from level 67-69, I must say I was mighty impressed.
And bleeds aint no problem for me... I am a Dwarf Rogue
You are kidding me.
I have a Dwarf Rogue too !. You don't see them very much, but the above was the exact reason I choose a Dwarf (and made my comments).
In the end PVE is nice and all, but I buy PvP gear with my frost tokens anyway
I think playing a rogue in the open is great, but for doing Raids it's not the class to play.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
The OP is a little high and has played few mmorpgs before and might have a poor system. If your not noticing your toon reacting when you hit your button its called LAG. I never had that issue in Fallen Earth or LOTRO, Warhammer, and I and if you want to see power and control in your character thas AOC best fighting system out them. Eve also was responvie. only time any of those games did not respond was becuase of LAG or the game was demanding too much from my system.
I don't think you have played WOW or any other games at the level where you can appreciated the animation and control system that WoW has.
Let me put it this way. It's not the LAG. Let's put that factor aside. I have a very good internet connection and have very low ping on most US based MMO. I can say that WoW has an incredible control and animation system. It gives you the feeling that you are in total control of your character, your character did exactly what you want it to do at the exact moment you want it to do. I could even go on to say that in this respect, WoW could even be able to compete with FPS game where a split second means everything.
When you can watch a mage raise his arm in a preparation animation for a blink and you can catch him with a gouge. That's not luck, that's skill and without a responsive enough control system, you cannot do that even if you have the skill to do so.
It's not that wow rogues are original I mean hide and Backstab and burst have been the calling of real life and fantasy rogues for ages. Just in WOW the Rogue is one of the Better Gaming rogues also one of the better Classes in the Game as far as flexibility. A rogue in WOW can Tri Spec if he wanted to quite easily, actually the rogue is so flexible Ghostcrawler has made it his life mission to make one tree more powerful than the rest so he can say his 51 point talents are worth using, to his dissatisfaction most go juuuust far enough in one tree grab 12 or 16 in another tree and throw 3 to 6 somewhere else.
Rogues have that advantage, to BYPASS Ghostcralwer lol, I on the other hand Have a Shadowpriest so when he says Here is dispersion, its not as good as the Druid ability they get at 40 from a spell, that you have to spend a talent point on for your end tree talent. Rogues can bypass bad talents and choose accordingly. Few classes can come close in the game. Shaman.... meh they might go 80% resto and the rest in either or, but if their Enhance you can bet they take the remaining points in Elemental. Paladins are gonna be one or the other with some Holy or pure holy. Warriors, priests, mages, Warlocks, Hunters you name it even DKs have to dedicate to one tree to be effective for the most part.
The word Hybrid gets thrown around, but in wow, you rarely can cross spec effectively enough to earn the title honestly, Rogues are able to spec in a way that makes so called hybrid classed drool.
I have a Dwarf Rogue too !. You don't see them very much, but the above was the exact reason I choose a Dwarf (and made my comments). In the end PVE is nice and all, but I buy PvP gear with my frost tokens anyway I think playing a rogue in the open is great, but for doing Raids it's not the class to play.
WHAT? Are you kidding me? My guild mate was top 3 dps on our server lol.
The thing with rogues is it's not a class for dumb people. You have to know what your doing.
The word Hybrid gets thrown around, but in wow, you rarely can cross spec effectively enough to earn the title honestly, Rogues are able to spec in a way that makes so called hybrid classed drool.
You need to understand what hybrid means in the context of WoW. There it means the ability to perform more than one role in the game. Obviously the three roles are tanking, healing, and damage. A rogue can't spec into tanking or healing so I'm not sure why you are using that word for a rogue. They can spec as damage, damage, or maybe some more damage.
A real hybrid spec (ie Druid's talents) hasn't been viable since classic WoW. Dual spec ability makes that rather useless though.
A WoW rogue is not even comming close to a Shadowblade or infil in DAoC so your petty vanish argument is worthless.
The reason WoW is so good for the masses is cause my little 8 year old niece can play it, my friend 11 year old son is raiding ICC thats why theres so many subscribers.
WoW is a game where parants put thier kids infront of a monitor and they are busy for a few hours and they have some time to get things done irl.
I have a Dwarf Rogue too !. You don't see them very much, but the above was the exact reason I choose a Dwarf (and made my comments). In the end PVE is nice and all, but I buy PvP gear with my frost tokens anyway I think playing a rogue in the open is great, but for doing Raids it's not the class to play.
WHAT? Are you kidding me? My guild mate was top 3 dps on our server lol.
The thing with rogues is it's not a class for dumb people. You have to know what your doing.
true enough, in WoW i generally play Hunters or Priests, hunters are pretty much low effort required, Priest is for when i want the challenge
I have a Dwarf Rogue too !. You don't see them very much, but the above was the exact reason I choose a Dwarf (and made my comments). In the end PVE is nice and all, but I buy PvP gear with my frost tokens anyway I think playing a rogue in the open is great, but for doing Raids it's not the class to play.
WHAT? Are you kidding me? My guild mate was top 3 dps on our server lol.
The thing with rogues is it's not a class for dumb people. You have to know what your doing.
I didn't mean they can't do terrific damage in Raids. They are top in damage dealing. NP.
I just was saying that Rogues in the first place are there for the PvP fun of things.
And indeed you need to be a very good player to shine with them , because of being fragile and extremely bursty.
I love them, but mostly playing them in PvP.
Cheers.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
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I guess you are playing the games on a completely different level as I do.
The only really cool thing I can think of is that rogues can sensibly mix and match their talent trees to a level hardly any other class can; mages are basically either arcane, fire or frost; paladins holy, protection or retribution; etcetera. The rogue's combat tree is about the most boring talent tree around with combat skills. Assassination has some nice poison skills and subtlety some nice sneaking. *shrug*
LOTRO burglars have a wide range of completely different skills than WOW rogues have (often mainly useful in groups), while WOW rogues have a far wider variation of combat skills than LOTRO burglars (and WOW rogues do far more damage in combat than their LOTRO counterparts). On the other hand, a lot is the same; for instance, LOTRO burglars have the "Hide in plain sight" skill; you'll never guess what that does...
Rogues in WoW are more of a brigand, light armored high damage class. Burglars of lotro are a thief type class, I actually think they are a more of a unique class than the wow's rogue is, but I'm not going to get into this discussion again.
Lotro is not even a PvP game (RvR is non existent), so meaningless to compare it with the pure pvp rogue class in WOW.
As a rogue abilities were mainly discussed on its PvP merits.
If you play a rogue in Wow PvP it is a wet dream coming true ... until you start bleeding.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
The rogue is not really unique on paper( or at all really), but the way it plays in wow is loads funner then how this class plays in other games, imo at least. It's just a really fun class, and i'll agree to that, but not being unique. I'm not gona say that wow is the best game ever, because that is merely opinion. It's probably the best game for the millions that play it, similar to how darkfall is the best to a couple thousand that play it. These numbers obviously prove nothing when it comes to opinions.
Wow didn't become popular because of some hatefilled reason.("because it's easy", "only morons play it because they don't know better"), it became popular because blizzard is a smart company that was already established, came along at a good time, and, like mentioned before, a snowball effect. And now it can hold on to this market because of it's sheer numbers, and quantity/quality of content(talking about polish wise). Lets just say aion and wow both provide the same level of entertainment for player A. Why would player A leave an established and extremely polished game, with more content coming at faster intervals, and where he has already established himself in that community? Is it because he's a stupid ten year old who likes to run a raid by pressing one button and watching tv for an hour? I doubt it. He'll just burnout eventually and pick up a new one.
As for WoW being to easy, ya. It's as casual as you make it.I'm sure thousands of players have gone through ice crown citadel for example, maybe only 5% percent of those have downed anything in hardmode. Then, only a couple hundred have downed end-wing bosses on hard, and none have downed lich king on hard. And you have to remember, these guilds downing hardmodes are not your average player. They are literally pro in every sense of the word. Just go do some research on ensidia or stars.
So all in all, wow is not a horrible game, and no game can be classified as "the best" because that is merely opinion. I still find myself jumping in and out of wow because i really like how the classes play, and it's bg's/raids are moderately fun.Then i get bored and switch to Lotro, or whatever mmo that catches my interest that month.
So, regarding what you say, there can actually be no classes in LOTRO that can be compared to any in WoW since WoW is as a game that is balanced around 2v2 PvP.
I went into BG with my Rogue last night, and I must say I did quite well for not having played rogue in pvp ever before, and been away for over a year too from the game. I was actually right in the top, even at level 63. Maybe things changes dramatically, but still, doing as well as I did, even against people from level 67-69, I must say I was mighty impressed.
And bleeds aint no problem for me... I am a Dwarf Rogue
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
No it's not. PvP is balanced around 3v3 and 5v5. They have given up on 2v2, you can't even get arena gear from 2v2 rankings anymore.
So, regarding what you say, there can actually be no classes in LOTRO that can be compared to any in WoW since WoW is as a game that is balanced around 2v2 PvP.
I went into BG with my Rogue last night, and I must say I did quite well for not having played rogue in pvp ever before, and been away for over a year too from the game. I was actually right in the top, even at level 63. Maybe things changes dramatically, but still, doing as well as I did, even against people from level 67-69, I must say I was mighty impressed.
And bleeds aint no problem for me... I am a Dwarf Rogue
You are kidding me.
I have a Dwarf Rogue too !. You don't see them very much, but the above was the exact reason I choose a Dwarf (and made my comments).
In the end PVE is nice and all, but I buy PvP gear with my frost tokens anyway
I think playing a rogue in the open is great, but for doing Raids it's not the class to play.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
I don't think you have played WOW or any other games at the level where you can appreciated the animation and control system that WoW has.
Let me put it this way. It's not the LAG. Let's put that factor aside. I have a very good internet connection and have very low ping on most US based MMO. I can say that WoW has an incredible control and animation system. It gives you the feeling that you are in total control of your character, your character did exactly what you want it to do at the exact moment you want it to do. I could even go on to say that in this respect, WoW could even be able to compete with FPS game where a split second means everything.
When you can watch a mage raise his arm in a preparation animation for a blink and you can catch him with a gouge. That's not luck, that's skill and without a responsive enough control system, you cannot do that even if you have the skill to do so.
It's not that wow rogues are original I mean hide and Backstab and burst have been the calling of real life and fantasy rogues for ages. Just in WOW the Rogue is one of the Better Gaming rogues also one of the better Classes in the Game as far as flexibility. A rogue in WOW can Tri Spec if he wanted to quite easily, actually the rogue is so flexible Ghostcrawler has made it his life mission to make one tree more powerful than the rest so he can say his 51 point talents are worth using, to his dissatisfaction most go juuuust far enough in one tree grab 12 or 16 in another tree and throw 3 to 6 somewhere else.
Rogues have that advantage, to BYPASS Ghostcralwer lol, I on the other hand Have a Shadowpriest so when he says Here is dispersion, its not as good as the Druid ability they get at 40 from a spell, that you have to spend a talent point on for your end tree talent. Rogues can bypass bad talents and choose accordingly. Few classes can come close in the game. Shaman.... meh they might go 80% resto and the rest in either or, but if their Enhance you can bet they take the remaining points in Elemental. Paladins are gonna be one or the other with some Holy or pure holy. Warriors, priests, mages, Warlocks, Hunters you name it even DKs have to dedicate to one tree to be effective for the most part.
The word Hybrid gets thrown around, but in wow, you rarely can cross spec effectively enough to earn the title honestly, Rogues are able to spec in a way that makes so called hybrid classed drool.
WHAT? Are you kidding me? My guild mate was top 3 dps on our server lol.
The thing with rogues is it's not a class for dumb people. You have to know what your doing.
You need to understand what hybrid means in the context of WoW. There it means the ability to perform more than one role in the game. Obviously the three roles are tanking, healing, and damage. A rogue can't spec into tanking or healing so I'm not sure why you are using that word for a rogue. They can spec as damage, damage, or maybe some more damage.
A real hybrid spec (ie Druid's talents) hasn't been viable since classic WoW. Dual spec ability makes that rather useless though.
A WoW rogue is not even comming close to a Shadowblade or infil in DAoC so your petty vanish argument is worthless.
The reason WoW is so good for the masses is cause my little 8 year old niece can play it, my friend 11 year old son is raiding ICC thats why theres so many subscribers.
WoW is a game where parants put thier kids infront of a monitor and they are busy for a few hours and they have some time to get things done irl.
DAoC/GW/Lotro/WoW/WAR/Rift/SWTor
WHAT? Are you kidding me? My guild mate was top 3 dps on our server lol.
The thing with rogues is it's not a class for dumb people. You have to know what your doing.
true enough, in WoW i generally play Hunters or Priests, hunters are pretty much low effort required, Priest is for when i want the challenge
WHAT? Are you kidding me? My guild mate was top 3 dps on our server lol.
The thing with rogues is it's not a class for dumb people. You have to know what your doing.
I didn't mean they can't do terrific damage in Raids. They are top in damage dealing. NP.
I just was saying that Rogues in the first place are there for the PvP fun of things.
And indeed you need to be a very good player to shine with them , because of being fragile and extremely bursty.
I love them, but mostly playing them in PvP.
Cheers.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.