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MO new patch fails!!!

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  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722
    Originally posted by parrotpholk


     Patcher ran fine after a few tries. Everything else is worse than before though or at least seems to be. The AI is still stupid, lag is still very much an issue and now the various other issues on top of the old issues.  I dont know how they are going to right the ship but would think maybe bringing someone on board the team with some depth of exp to help might be wise. I am actually dreading next weeks patch.

     

    Starvault does not have a strategy or plan.  They just throw stuff together hoping it works, they have done that ever since block A when Sebastian was trying to fix the sausage lage problem.

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  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722
    Originally posted by dollada06


    I actually removed Mortal Online from my PC.  I have no desire to play this game until they release the game.  If its still like this at release then my Full Loot Bag will be going up for sale sadly.  I had a lot of faith in this game--I still do actually.  The constant issues is really just too much for me to wanna deal with.  I hope this game gets polished a lot more.  Its fun right now but even for an indie company I refuse to lower my standards as much as I have to in order to find enjoyment from this beta.
    As much as I hate it--I will let the "its still beta" slide because im still optimistic but optimism doesn't last forever either.  This close to launch there should be a much better functioning product than this.

     

    Good to see your starting to get out of the hype and get into the more realistic.  Both of us knew months ago this game would end up being a disaster, and since this open beta, its much worse.  When you get your loot bag and if the game is still broken, contact your credit card company and force a refund through them, you won't be able to make any money off of that cheap box or trying to sell your account.

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  • LiquidWolfLiquidWolf Member CommonPosts: 516

    http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/34819-unhandled-exception-has-occured-your-application.html#post735132

    Sorry to hear about all the problems. I seriously don't know what I did right, but I haven't had an error like this.

    What this guy said.

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    In any case...

    Characters were wiped, More bugs to test, report, and post... as a content patch is supposed to give.

    Seems people found a way around the bug by spamming enter after clicking continue to eventually get to the play button.

    http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/34819-unhandled-exception-has-occured-your-application.html#post731790

    LOL, ok, if you hit "continue" then spam enter key real quick you can get it to play :P and load up

    creating my new character as we speak

    Thank goodness for the ability to solve problems... right?

    Well, get to it... another patch is scheduled for the 22nd, so lets get testing and clean up as much as possible before then.

    See you all in game.

  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf



    Well, get to it... another patch is scheduled for the 22nd, so lets get testing and clean up as much as possible before then.
    See you all in game.

     

    I think the majority of the testers are waiting for the next patch as there is going to be a wipe on Monday.  Also, making everything super expensive and changing many of the mechanics to do stuff (like your forced to kill animals for money to buy books) have pissed off many people into not even playing the beta until launch.

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  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf



    http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/34819-unhandled-exception-has-occured-your-application.html#post731790
    LOL, ok, if you hit "continue" then spam enter key real quick you can get it to play :P and load up

    creating my new character as we speak
    Thank goodness for the ability to solve problems... right?


     

    So why do we have to go read other threads and try to search a ton of pages just to find a work around fix?  Why can't Starvault fix it themselves?

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  • Player_420Player_420 Member Posts: 686

    Big 22nd patch will be rough, but what the game needs. Gooood luck SV *salute*

    I play all ghame

  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722
    Originally posted by Player_420


    Big 22nd patch will be rough, but what the game needs. Gooood luck SV *salute*

     

    Miracle patch is going to fix all of the problems from the last 8 months, I can't wait

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  • LiquidWolfLiquidWolf Member CommonPosts: 516
    Originally posted by rlmccoy1987

    Originally posted by LiquidWolf



    http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/34819-unhandled-exception-has-occured-your-application.html#post731790
    LOL, ok, if you hit "continue" then spam enter key real quick you can get it to play :P and load up

    creating my new character as we speak
    Thank goodness for the ability to solve problems... right?


     

    So why do we have to go read other threads and try to search a ton of pages just to find a work around fix?  Why can't Starvault fix it themselves?

     

    You can point at a bottle till someone fills it for you, or you can act your age and get it done yourself.

    You are not helpless or incapable of solving problems... complex as some of them might be.

    As to "Why?" - Well because you want to play the game, or perhaps you even want to make the game better and solve a problem for not only yourself, but those around you.

    If at the end of it all you still can't, or don't want to... then you will have to wait till someone comes along and does it for you.

  • Esther-ChanEsther-Chan Member Posts: 288

    I'm seriously expecting them to push back the launch of this game and offer their players who pre-ordered some compensation. At this point there's too many problems with the game that should not be in a released product.

  • LiquidWolfLiquidWolf Member CommonPosts: 516
    Originally posted by Esther-Chan


    I'm seriously expecting them to push back the launch of this game and offer their players who pre-ordered some compensation. At this point there's too many problems with the game that should not be in a released product.

     

    Getting into your expectations is probably a discussion that shouldn't be had...

    But I agree something would be nice for us pre-orders to obtain something... title/items/free time.

    Perhaps something for beta players that clocked in a certain number of hours too, or submitted certain number of bugs.

    ... once a good portion of fixes are in place...

  • patrikd23patrikd23 Member UncommonPosts: 1,155

    Works good here, I am on Win XP pro sp3, i7 intel, hd4850 1gig. 3gig ram.

     

    I have almost no crashes at all now, seems they fixed alot. Good work guys.

  • HerculesSASHerculesSAS Member Posts: 1,272
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf

    Originally posted by rlmccoy1987

    Originally posted by LiquidWolf



    http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/34819-unhandled-exception-has-occured-your-application.html#post731790
    LOL, ok, if you hit "continue" then spam enter key real quick you can get it to play :P and load up

    creating my new character as we speak
    Thank goodness for the ability to solve problems... right?


     

    So why do we have to go read other threads and try to search a ton of pages just to find a work around fix?  Why can't Starvault fix it themselves?

     

    You can point at a bottle till someone fills it for you, or you can act your age and get it done yourself.

    You are not helpless or incapable of solving problems... complex as some of them might be.

    As to "Why?" - Well because you want to play the game, or perhaps you even want to make the game better and solve a problem for not only yourself, but those around you.

    If at the end of it all you still can't, or don't want to... then you will have to wait till someone comes along and does it for you.

     

    If you go to a restaurant and order a steak medium, and they give it to you rare, do you just go back into the kitchen and cook it yourself?

     

    This isn't an issue of the ability to do it yourself. It's that you should not have to. SV is offering a product, and if they are making you pay for it, it should work. Period. Now in software it's understandable that there can be bugs, or little hiccups... but a proper development process is what is used to ensure that by the time you release, those problems are at a minimum.

     

    And right now, you have a majority of fans of the game willing to do 20 step procedures to get the patcher to work, and nobody else. And that's JUST the patcher. How long before all the other bugs and incomplete features, and problems with the game that the majority of even the fans give up and say "hell with it, it's too tiring to play this game". A software product that is a GAME should be fun -- it should not be a chore. And right now, "playing" the forum here is actually more fun than playing the game, which says a lot.

  • LiquidWolfLiquidWolf Member CommonPosts: 516
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

     

    If you go to a restaurant and order a steak medium, and they give it to you rare, do you just go back into the kitchen and cook it yourself?

     

    This isn't an issue of the ability to do it yourself. It's that you should not have to. SV is offering a product, and if they are making you pay for it, it should work. Period. Now in software it's understandable that there can be bugs, or little hiccups... but a proper development process is what is used to ensure that by the time you release, those problems are at a minimum.

     

    And right now, you have a majority of fans of the game willing to do 20 step procedures to get the patcher to work, and nobody else. And that's JUST the patcher. How long before all the other bugs and incomplete features, and problems with the game that the majority of even the fans give up and say "hell with it, it's too tiring to play this game". A software product that is a GAME should be fun -- it should not be a chore. And right now, "playing" the forum here is actually more fun than playing the game, which says a lot.

    First off, you are not allowed in the back of a kitchen to cook or fix your own food... you know why.

    if you are buying cattle from a rancher within your same county, and says he could get them to you, but it will take a little bit longer than expected because his transport isn't going to be on time... do you get upset?

    What if, since he is in the county, you offered to use your own transport the move those cattle to your place? Sure, it was probably the seller's responsibility, but no one can help that the transport is going to be late...

    and whining about it doesn't fix the issue.

    You can talk about how the customer is always right, and you can demand a certain level of service for your money... But the fact remains is that you have the opportunity to try and do something about it yourself... and you choose not to.

    This isn't about getting a bad steak... it's about you not wanting to pound the nail in the rest of the way even though you have a hammer in your hands.

  • Esther-ChanEsther-Chan Member Posts: 288
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf

    Originally posted by Esther-Chan


    I'm seriously expecting them to push back the launch of this game and offer their players who pre-ordered some compensation. At this point there's too many problems with the game that should not be in a released product.

     

    Getting into your expectations is probably a discussion that shouldn't be had...

    But I agree something would be nice for us pre-orders to obtain something... title/items/free time.

    Perhaps something for beta players that clocked in a certain number of hours too, or submitted certain number of bugs.

    ... once a good portion of fixes are in place...



    I should rephrase that, then. I don't mean my "Expectations" so much as my opinion. My opinion is they should hold back the game; compensate it's players, and release a quality product that can compete, or even surpass Darkfall.

  • HerculesSASHerculesSAS Member Posts: 1,272
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf

    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

     

    If you go to a restaurant and order a steak medium, and they give it to you rare, do you just go back into the kitchen and cook it yourself?

     

    This isn't an issue of the ability to do it yourself. It's that you should not have to. SV is offering a product, and if they are making you pay for it, it should work. Period. Now in software it's understandable that there can be bugs, or little hiccups... but a proper development process is what is used to ensure that by the time you release, those problems are at a minimum.

     

    And right now, you have a majority of fans of the game willing to do 20 step procedures to get the patcher to work, and nobody else. And that's JUST the patcher. How long before all the other bugs and incomplete features, and problems with the game that the majority of even the fans give up and say "hell with it, it's too tiring to play this game". A software product that is a GAME should be fun -- it should not be a chore. And right now, "playing" the forum here is actually more fun than playing the game, which says a lot.

    First off, you are not allowed in the back of a kitchen to cook or fix your own food... you know why.

    if you are buying cattle from a rancher within your same county, and says he could get them to you, but it will take a little bit longer than expected because his transport isn't going to be on time... do you get upset?

    What if, since he is in the county, you offered to use your own transport the move those cattle to your place? Sure, it was probably the seller's responsibility, but no one can help that the transport is going to be late...

    and whining about it doesn't fix the issue.

    You can talk about how the customer is always right, and you can demand a certain level of service for your money... But the fact remains is that you have the opportunity to try and do something about it yourself... and you choose not to.

    This isn't about getting a bad steak... it's about you not wanting to pound the nail in the rest of the way even though you have a hammer in your hands.

     

    Yes, I don't want to pound the hammer all the way through when I bought something I thought was "fully assembled".

     

    Where will it end? If they expect me to "pound in the nails", will I have to fix the creaking floorboards? Will I have to repair the broken roof? Thus far, SV has made it the responsibility of the customer to do all these workarounds -- "oh click that error message really fast and then launch" -- and sure, it can be done.... but why? And more to the point, who the hell other than the fans of the game, are going to put up with it on a regular basis? Right now it's the patcher. You'll see, there will be a lot more. When is the point where you say I've had enough of trying to fix this to work, screw it? For you that threshold is obviously higher but for the rest of us, who just want to you know -- play a game -- there shouldn't be this amount of work involved. It will doom release even more than it already has.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,717
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf


    This isn't about getting a bad steak... it's about you not wanting to pound the nail in the rest of the way even though you have a hammer in your hands.



     

    Look at it this way.. when the company in question fails to communicate they in essence allow perception to be shaped by those who are replying to people in the support forums.  When people are looking for help and they are told to stop whining and if they did a little work on their own they could get the game/patcher/install to work... those people are not going to be inclined to feel good about the company or product.

     

    Let me ask you something to make the point better.  There was an announcement that the patch was pushed back 24 hours on the forums.  Was there ever an official post made that let people know the patch was released?  You mentioned that people had issues with the patcher and the exception error.  Can you please point me to the official post from a developer where they tell people how to skip the error?  Where they even acknowledge that there is a problem? Even the massive issues with the prior patch only had a 13 step workaround put together by a forum mod which was compiled from fan input... no directions or acknowledgement from the development team. 

     

    I have checked the "Dev Tracker" for all posts since the patch was released.  I cannot find an official announcement stating either the patch was received, or anything about the errors.  I'm sure the same 50 people who hang out in IRC with the developers got all the updates and info they need... but the few thousand other Open Beta Testers clearly were left out in the cold... again.  I honestly don't know why they hired a Community Manager when they don't use him as a focal point for communication to/from the development team...

     

    When the company functions like this, can there be any question why people want to "pound the nail in the rest of the way"?

    All time classic  MY NEW FAVORITE POST!  (Keep laying those bricks)

    "I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

    Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017. 

    Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018

    "Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018

  • LiquidWolfLiquidWolf Member CommonPosts: 516

    Your reasons are your own... something to help you justify it.

    But It's not like i'm coming into the Darkfall forums or the Aion forums and saying you should be helping Mortal Online. You are right here... in these forums for this game...

    Many of you are still playing the game even...and not only are you choosing not to do anything about the problems, you trying to convince others to join you in.... nothing.

    The roof is leaking... yes. But you don't have to sit underneath it and let the water fall on you.

    You can move somewhere else... yes...

    But from what I can see you like where you are sitting... so do something to help make your spot better.

  • HerculesSASHerculesSAS Member Posts: 1,272
    Originally posted by LiquidWolf


    Your reasons are your own... something to help you justify it.
    But It's not like i'm coming into the Darkfall forums or the Aion forums and saying you should be helping Mortal Online. You are right here... in these forums for this game...
    Many of you are still playing the game even...and not only are you choosing not to do anything about the problems, you trying to convince others to join you in.... nothing.
    The roof is leaking... yes. But you don't have to sit underneath it and let the water fall on you.
    You can move somewhere else... yes...
    But from what I can see you like where you are sitting... so do something to help make your spot better.

     

    I have an umbrella and I'm entertained by those that bought the 'house' and are now scrambling around to fix all the leaks by themselves, all while saying the builder is amazing.

     

    Sometimes just watching is fun too.

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

    Originally posted by LiquidWolf


    Your reasons are your own... something to help you justify it.
    But It's not like i'm coming into the Darkfall forums or the Aion forums and saying you should be helping Mortal Online. You are right here... in these forums for this game...
    Many of you are still playing the game even...and not only are you choosing not to do anything about the problems, you trying to convince others to join you in.... nothing.
    The roof is leaking... yes. But you don't have to sit underneath it and let the water fall on you.
    You can move somewhere else... yes...
    But from what I can see you like where you are sitting... so do something to help make your spot better.

     

    I have an umbrella and I'm entertained by those that bought the 'house' and are now scrambling around to fix all the leaks by themselves, all while saying the builder is amazing.

     

    Sometimes just watching is fun too.



     

    i hate to say it soem of the problems are user end 2 i found that out wheni was having my nowgame.exe issues

  • rlmccoy1987rlmccoy1987 Member Posts: 1,722
    Originally posted by downtoearth 


     
    i hate to say it soem of the problems are user end 2 i found that out wheni was having my nowgame.exe issues

     

    User problem when the nowgame.exe because the developer broke something?

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  • RaknarRaknar Member Posts: 192
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Originally posted by dollada06


    I actually removed Mortal Online from my PC.  I have no desire to play this game until they release the game.  If its still like this at release then my Full Loot Bag will be going up for sale sadly.  I had a lot of faith in this game--I still do actually.  The constant issues is really just too much for me to wanna deal with.  I hope this game gets polished a lot more.  Its fun right now but even for an indie company I refuse to lower my standards as much as I have to in order to find enjoyment from this beta.
    As much as I hate it--I will let the "its still beta" slide because im still optimistic but optimism doesn't last forever either.  This close to launch there should be a much better functioning product than this.



     

    Don't lose hope!  Miracle Patch in 4 days.  This will fix all the outstanding issues and give us the actual content that they have been holding back.  SV didn't want to let the cat out of the bag by showing all the good stuff too soon.  Monday all will be revealed and we shall revel in that which is Mortal Online... unleashed!

     

    This will be the best Miracle Patch ever!! Not since Horizons has a Miracle Patch been nearly so miraculous. I expect MO will be even a greater success than Horizons, the best game ever up until now!

     

  • lucabrasilucabrasi Member Posts: 43

    No way! the new patch failed?

    www.youtube.com/watch

  • mrw0lfmrw0lf Member Posts: 2,269
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

    Originally posted by LiquidWolf


    Your reasons are your own... something to help you justify it.
    But It's not like i'm coming into the Darkfall forums or the Aion forums and saying you should be helping Mortal Online. You are right here... in these forums for this game...
    Many of you are still playing the game even...and not only are you choosing not to do anything about the problems, you trying to convince others to join you in.... nothing.
    The roof is leaking... yes. But you don't have to sit underneath it and let the water fall on you.
    You can move somewhere else... yes...
    But from what I can see you like where you are sitting... so do something to help make your spot better.

     

    I have an umbrella and I'm entertained by those that bought the 'house' and are now scrambling around to fix all the leaks by themselves, all while saying the builder is amazing.

     

    Sometimes just watching is fun too.



     

    No-one is saying the game is perfect, apart from the people wanting to slate the game. Because it supports their argument in attempting to segregate those trying to improve a game they feel has potential while it can still be improved. For some reason they have the impression that everyone else is blind and they are the only ones that see the state of the game and they are doing some kind of public service with constant snyde remarks.

    If the game releases and is utter crap, next to no-one will play, people won't sub to the game for arguments sake or to annoy you, we all get it. His point is you constantly posting the same pointless critisisms changes nothing, playing the game and reporting bugs in beta should. We will see if it does.

    Why all the analogies? Here's mine;

    A new, inexperienced dev with limited funds had a vision for a very specific kind of game. They sold the game way, way before they knew they could release and they told people why, because they were running out of cash. In exchange for buying an incomplete game they would let those buying the game to play alpha and CB versions of the client. They gave an estimated release window and got it very wrong (shock!!!) and made it OB while it still has a number of issues, some of which are game breaking. They receive untold amounts of bug reports. ---at this point it goes 1 of 2 ways, no-one knows which,

    1. they fix the game breaking bugs, release get more funds and fix and develop the game over time. Happyhappyjoyjoy
    2. they dont solve the dsync and lag problems, the game crashes and burns.

    It's that simple, analogy heaven.

    I will agree with the other poster about poor communication with the community, it's the same mistake Ave made with DF. With FE the devs were very communicative and it paid dividends. If SV don't give explanainations people will make up their own, they have no choice and it will include everyones opinion which isn't going to be good for them.

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    “The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.”

  • This game needs at least another year of development and maybe another few months of testing. I tried it today, but at the moment, it is in a very rough state. I really like the original idea behind Mortal Online, but I think it was a mistake to try this huge project with their limited funds and inexperience. This is just my opinion, but starting with a smaller world that they can slowly expand and with less "features" would have been better. Maybe no thievery system, maybe no pet system and maybe even no housing system, but for that a polished fighting system (which is the core of every game), more mobs and a tutorial or better User Interface to make the beginning easier. I really hope MO makes it through the first few rough months and I hope the numerous issues can be addressed.

  • SwaneaSwanea Member UncommonPosts: 2,401

    Hai gais, it's beta lol

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