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[POLL] No Holds Bar Mondays - Star Trek Online vs EVE Online
Jairoe03
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Yo yo yo! It's another Monday and here we go again with another No Hold's Bar Battle. Last week we pitted two of the oldest games within the genre against each other and Everquest ended up coming ahead of Ultima Online by Friday Night (cut short because of girlfriend). Today, we'll be looking towards the future. Each week, I'll be hosting these and each week I'll be re-posting these rules to my little game:
[*]Each vote = 1 point, each post for a side = 1 point.
[*]Posts have to clearly take a side or it will not count for points. Cannot take both sides to keep the competitive spirit of things
[*]Posts have to be at least 2 sentences long and no greater than 2 paragraphs (reasonably sized). Responses need to be brief and to the point. This is a forum battle, not an essay. Any posts not within these guidelines will not count for a point.
Users with 2 posts in a row by the same user will only count for 1 point. 3 in a row will be considered spamming and will disqualify the user and his/her posts for the week.
Breaking forum rules will disqualify the user and his/her posts for the week.
Only posts Mon-Fri will be counted for points. Votes will be recorded on Saturday morning when I start doing posts counts. Feel free to keep debating after the battle is over.
Having done the past, now we'll start going back to the future with the topic this week: Best Sci-Fi MMO...1 year from now! I wanted to include a game that was recently released so this week's focus will be Star Trek and EVE Online. Yes, one's very new and the other one has seen some development. However, I believe there's enough differences to know how each of these games stand out and we have enough information to know how Cryptic will handle Star Trek. Is it out with the old and in with the new, Star Trek Online or could EVE Online come out ahead despite its old age? I want this to be a debate more about how each game is handled and what each company has in store for the future. Yes this'll take some speculation for both games here, but that's half the fun!
Star Trek vs EVE Online on best Sci Fi MMO in 1 year from now...Let the battle BEGIN!!!
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EVE.
/Signed.
Those were two sentences, this is the third.
Games should even be mentioned in the same breath. STO is nowhere even close to Eve's league, and it never will be w/ Cryptic at the helm.
Star Trek can barely be called an MMORPG... it's much more a SinglePlayerRPG that has an multiplayer-option.
EvE Online wins this comparison easily and not just because it's much more developed allready over the past, but because of it's game-features like territorial warfare, FFA PvP and player-driven economy.
STO doesn't feature anything unique and it's basically just another WoW-clone, dressed up in Star Trek costumes :sadface:
Please, don't compare mmorpgs to single player games, okay?
It's hard to compare 2 games with a 10+ year difference in between. I'll try to remember this post when STO reaches its 10th year anniversary.
Until then,have fun debating a pointless topic.
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STO will be lucky to reach it's 1st year anniversary. Unless Cryptic can pull out oodles of content out of it's hat during the next year the chances of this game being around long are slim.
Is it even a contest? STO barely counts as an "M"MO, wheras EVE has 7 years of depth from continuous expansions multiplied by 300,000 people all on the same shard.
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Well i may find it VERY hard to say STO is a better game,i think you are being a tad biased.Length of development does not count as automatic perfection.300k players on same shard means nothing,how many players do you actually interact with at one time?Eve's economy is already far past broken because of RMT.Even has auto skills for doing nothing but a checkmark.EVE after 7 years has maybe the industries worst animations,the few that exist in the game.
Even after all of that i found both games VERY boring,IMO i really could not pick one over the other,i know what both games are trying to do and they both imo fall far short of a AAA production,my opinion is they are equal games both doing it totally different.What makes EVE a little on the weak scale for development is CCP actually has 500 employees,that is a ton of employees ,when compared to Epic games 75 and we all know what Epic games has accomplished in game engine,graphics,technology and game,for PVP UT99[at one time highly contested in the world gaming championships], is still my favorite game of all time,and many enjoy the pvp in the other UT versions.
Can we compare CCP and the 500 employees and EVE with john Carmack and his 105 employees at ID games?Not even close ,again ID games surpasses in Tech,game engine,graphics and game play,Quake is a great game series and again contested in the world gaming championships.
There is probably one HUGE difference between EVE and STO,imo EVE will continue to grow and get better,i feel STO is probably not going to get better or advance at all.STo has something going for it that EVE does not ,female players,EVE will NEVER cater to a wide demographic,but then again STO is a niche game as well,catering to trekky fans.
I could say Square Enix or SOE and their games but they have huge studios,but FFXI is a much more massive game with the most content in the MMORPG market and is only a console game and Square although has a huge division only dedicates one division per game.
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Well i may find it VERY hard to say STO is a better game,i think you are being a tad biased.Length of development does not count as automatic perfection.300k players on same shard means nothing,how many players do you actually interact with at one time?Eve's economy is already far past broken because of RMT.Even has auto skills for doing nothing but a checkmark.EVE after 7 years has maybe the industries worst animations,the few that exist in the game.
Even after all of that i found both games VERY boring,IMO i really could not pick one over the other,i know what both games are trying to do and they both imo fall far short of a AAA production,my opinion is they are equal games both doing it totally different.What makes EVE a little on the weak scale for development is CCP actually has 500 employees,that is a ton of employees ,when compared to Epic games 75 and we all know what Epic games has accomplished in game engine,graphics,technology and game,for PVP UT99[at one time highly contested in the world gaming championships], is still my favorite game of all time,and many enjoy the pvp in the other UT versions.
Can we compare CCP and the 500 employees and EVE with john Carmack and his 105 employees at ID games?Not even close ,again ID games surpasses in Tech,game engine,graphics and game play,Quake is a great game series and again contested in the world gaming championships.
There is probably one HUGE difference between EVE and STO,imo EVE will continue to grow and get better,i feel STO is probably not going to get better or advance at all.STo has something going for it that EVE does not ,female players,EVE will NEVER cater to a wide demographic,but then again STO is a niche game as well,catering to trekky fans.
I could say Square Enix or SOE and their games but they have huge studios,but FFXI is a much more massive game with the most content in the MMORPG market and is only a console game and Square although has a huge division only dedicates one division per game.
There's alot of female player in EvE actually... just sayin'. And EvE's graphics are actually quiet good, if you've got a machine capable of running all settings at max... it's got better graphics actually then any other SciFi-game released so far.
Well yes, it doesn't have animations alot, but what animations does a space-ship has, other then some gun-fire and shield/armor-repair?
Last but not least, you missed the question of this topic by 101%
Are these games in any way comparable?
This thread a joke? It's not even a contest.
Eve all the way.
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this even tho I don't play eve anymore.
I'm pretty sure you knew how this one would turn out, OP.
I'm not playing Eve anymore, and am currently playing STO, but it's Eve, hands down. A better contest would probably be, STO vs CO.
EVE +1.
Do you really, really want to put the potential of a sandbox (EVE) developed by CCP in a fight versus a themepark (STO) in the hands of Cryptic? I think we know the result already, even if you dislike sandboxes but simply watch how EVE has developed over the years. It's an one-sided fight.
First, CCP, which is known to release two massive expansions yearly combined with a stable commercial model of subscriptions and PLEXes. Second, Cryptic... which is not really known for good things, like releasing CO and moving on to STO, using the same engine and therefore suffering from the same issues that make even the "MMORPG" classification questionable and being quite "open" regarding ways to monetize the player base - an item-shop that has shown on their games races, re-specs, pets, uniforms, character slots and also the lifetime Liberated Borg scandal.
Comparing a low budget game (with a famous IP) and a high budget game with many years in development just doesn't work. If you want to compare Eve to another Sci-fi game it should be TOR (well, when it is outside) but even then you are comparing pears and apples.
Eve and STO have very little in common and it is like comparing Dragon age and GTA4. Not the same kind of game for the same kind of players, not the same budget either.
STO would be better to compare with Guildwars actually (instanced games on a low budget made by an ex Diablo dev) but STO wouldn't have a chance there.
I do think Eve is the better game here but you really can't compare them, the gameplay is just so different that the only thing you can compare is the amount of content and how fun you think they are.
Wait.. Did you just call Star trek Online, from Cryptic, the low budget indie game.... And EVE from Icelandic CCP, the high budget game mainstream big money company? And that is why they can not be compared...?
Ok, just checking.... Like saying You can't compare that global market hot dog stand by the corner with the independent strugging small oneman company of McDonalds.
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I think the issue is, everyone expects these polls to have these games fall into some form of weight class. This isn't boxing people, its never going to be a fair fight. There's a good reason why I pick these two and I think many seem to miss the point. Yes, I like the wrestling term, that would be an appropriate reference.
The reason why these two were picked because they WEREN'T similar but they do seem to aim at some form of a demographic...the sci-fi spaceship crowd. Again, the point of the thread wasn't to vote on its current state, but the potential of what the game will be in 1 year. EVE Online is slow and steady, STO is going to have to be fast and combustible, I think these two shoot for the same type of crowd but offer two different styles.
Which will come out on top? Or maybe this was an ideal...again, no two MMORPG's will be exactly the same or on the same exact level around all aspects to make it "balanced" enough for a poll because that is an ideal in itself.
Voted for STO. I have played Eve a few times with their trials but after I get past the starter tutorial in the game... it gets really boring... then I uninstall it... I bought STO but just play off and on, not a game I can play 24/7 but can actually get into it compared to Eve.
A sandbox game that has seen many updates vs a themepark game that has most of it's rides broken. Not a very good battle between the two.
I do hope that STO adds a bit of EVE in the future. I would love to see a Star Trek sandbox end game. Wide open space zones with real systems to explore and true faction PvP. Possibly for an expansion please?
As far as which game I would rather play. That is STO, I can't stand the game play sytle of EVE. That doesn't mean I think STO is a better game. They both suck right now IMHO.
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EVE hands down, STO isn't bad but I cant see anything in its future and its game play honsitly bores me stupid after about 15min, EVE at least has some depth to keep me at it.
Gotta stick with the home team, voted for EVE as I've been playing it for over 2.5 years now.
Not really a fair comparison of course, as EVE is a virtual universe and STO was designed just to only a fragment of one. Perhaps in time it will grow in size and become better just as EVE did, but we are talking Cryptic here, and I have no faith in that team developing a good game.
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I have tried Eve a few times over the years and never found any fun in it. I know I didn't give the game that so called "fair chance" since I never played it long enough, but any game that can't pull me in within the first minutes, let alone days, is not worth it for me. I have had more fun scrubbbing toilets than playing Eve, it's just not my kind of game.
STO is more like a demo of an mmo than an actual mmo as it stands now, but even in its current state I found fun in it. I hope it will one day become a full grown mmo.
So even though I am having trouble calling STO a real mmo, it beats scrubbing toilets so I voted for it.
I voted EVE but honestly I can't stand either game.
STO is a rushed-to-release game using the same engine as CO. It is content-starved and was released at least a year too early. It has lame features like having to corkscrew to go up and down, and has too little content.
EVE is a boring pvp-oriented game that has a skill levelling feature that rewards you if you have a subscription. You don't even need to do anything. Is there any more obvious format of favoring veteran players? As another poster mentioned, I find playing it about as fun as cleaning a bathroom or an oven.
EvE for me.
Also both games are very different and cater to 2 different crowds. STO caters to Treckies and those who enjoy the railroad mmo with instant gratification. It basically is WoW in space with ships that despite there look only has Class to destinguish them [Frigate Cruiser etc] It also has an item shop that will one day be nessasary to really compete at higher level. It also has multiple servers so no consiquences for your actions. Also the devs are well known for not supporting there games. Also the graphics cant be run at max from most computer. Art style is almost perfect tho as its directly based on a known Sci-Fi universe. Same goes for basic background story. As for what this game 'might have' 1 year from now? i havent a clue.
EvE online has a single server so you cant really hide from your actions without starting over. It caters to those who dont like Railrode game mechanics. Its game style is sandbox rather than railroad. EvE players get rewarded for long term planning, terratory can not only be claimed but claiming it has real advantages and disadvantages. The graphics are decent and can be run by almost all computers at max. CCP is renowned for fully supporting this game. And the background story is pretty decent foe a mmo. Also the Overall art design for the game is consistant and very nice [it even gets regular awards for this too]. As for what to expect one year from now? more bug fixes and hopfully the Ambulation system letting you do something outside your ship, Also housing will finally arrive as the 'Captains Cabbin' in the form of removable and destructable modules. So to me comparing both games based solely on what they have and might have 1 year from now is really unfare.
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