I think a dollar for a 7 day trial is a tad bit anoying but I'll end up checking it out when I get a chance.
Oh no you won't,not unless they fix the registering lol.I sent them an email,probably no response for several days,i think it was directed to accounts lol,to witch i doubt anyone in accounts has any credentials to respond to their botched registering web page design.
I couldn't care less about a dollar , i already know DF is a weak PVE game with little content,but i just wanted to mess around for awhile lol.I wanted to see how frustrated i get when mobs are shooting me before i can even see them lol.I wanted to see if aggro was just distance or if it had any realistic mechanics like SIGHT/SOUND/smell ect ect.
You seem to be the only one who has the button overlap problem.
Have you tried a different browser?
Resolution?
Do you have something like noscript messing with the way webpages are displayed?
And eh? Going into a game with the expectation of hating it? I doubt that's a good idea.
If you can't pay a dollar for a weeks worth of unrestricted game play, then you're probably not a potential customer. I think this is probably the best thing they could do for the community to keep nuisances away from the game, and the people who complain about where gaming is going haven't accepted it is already there.
when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means.
a. The act or process of testing, trying, or putting to the proof
2.made, done, or used for the purpose of trying, testing, etc
in the gaming industry a trial of a released game, implies the potential consumer is to freely test/play the game to see if it meets their interests under provised restrictions, and limitations of scope, time, or features for the possibility of future purchase or procurement. In short terms "hey try our game its free, but to play further you have to buy the actual game".
AV doesnt do this. they instead charge you a small fee for the same risk of not knowing what to expect. You may like the game, you may not, but in the end they are offering a service, small or large, its still charging and therefore it is not a trial. It is a service with limitations.
They are either too lazy, or understaffed to code a trial version of the game that prevents abuse of the game. I cannot think of a game that actually charges for a trial account. this is just another form of nickel and diming to get more revenue by AV. Its both unprofessional, and directly illustrates their inability to compete with mainstream industry. I wouldn't mind giving the game a try, but to be charged to try the game is down right silly. I'll pass.
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
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Originally posted by nakuma oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
If a trial in the gaming industry is implied to be free, then why do companies bother to tag on the word "free?" With the word "free," it's no longer implied, it's stated.
Originally posted by nakuma oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
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1$ and you guys are whining? Seriously... Thats like what you get from working for about 2 minutes on your job.
And thinking they would scam you? LOL. If you really dont know why they are charging. Well stfu.
It's becoming so lame, this whole community... Been here for years and years.. Just getting worse and worse..... Sigh...
i dont think they are scamming me. I refuse to pay money for a limited trial. a trial is suposed to a test of their product. Every MMO out there that has a trial is free. yet AV charges a $1? why? whats the point? Make it $0 so I can test it, see if I like it. but Im not grabbing into my wallet and putting in my credit card and spending money on an untested product I know nothing about. there is no reason I should be charged, thats all I am saying, and I will continue not to test any product that charges me before I actually get to directly use it. just my opinion, just my view doesnt make me a retard. So watch your mouth before you go off the hinge in the internet.
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when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means.
in the gaming industry a trial of a released game
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
spending money on an untested product I know nothing about.
You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
"Spending money on untested product you know nothing about " this is a bit weird , darkfall is most player reviewed game because until now there was no trial .A lot of new players came and shared their experience on mmorpg forum for people on the fence ,just look to DF subforum for them .You can find alot of player review opinion and stories .you may like or may not everybody has own taste , but untested and known nothing ?
Originally posted by nakuma oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
1$ and you guys are whining? Seriously... Thats like what you get from working for about 2 minutes on your job.
And thinking they would scam you? LOL. If you really dont know why they are charging. Well stfu.
It's becoming so lame, this whole community... Been here for years and years.. Just getting worse and worse..... Sigh...
So... people like you are a fan of the game, and I will meet them when I pay for the game? Woah that sounds so great, I'll have to immediately... uhm... pass on that.
Seriously: the point is that the companies keep charging for more and more. That they want money for the product makes sense. But now most companies want money even for beta testing. And they want money for services like additional character slots or name change. And now they also want money for even trying the game.
I know it's not much money, and for 1 week it's probably fair. It still remains that many people think of a trial something like, that they can just download and play for a while, without having to pay a single cent and without having to give their credit card information to anyone. The point is the difference between "paying for a trial" and "not paying for a trial".
when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means.
in the gaming industry a trial of a released game
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
whats wrong with it? im being charged. $1 or $50 im still being charged for a untested product. FFA PVP has nothing to do wwith it. Ive played FFA PVP games. the problem is im being charged for a trial of a product that should otherwise be free. to dismiss that as trivial because you dont mind paying a $1 undermines the rest of the community that feels its unnecessary. i would like to try the game, but Im not going to pay $1 for a 7 day trial. if its not a $1, how about $5, how bout $10 to test for $7 days where does it stop? either its a free trial or its not. there are no inbetweens. If you disagree with me, cool, fine by me, its your money not mine, spend on what you wish. BUt dont undermine the views and beliefs of rest of the community that feels this is silly and unwarranted. WHen they finally release a "free" trial, then maybe i will try it, until then I'll pass and just keep tabs on the progress from articles released.
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Originally posted by nakuma oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
I am not aruging with my emotions. dont try to get all philosophical on me, keep to what you know lol. If you understand why I wont pay then there is no room for argument. You understand, but you disagree, and I am willing to accept that. Given the business ends, I know the business end, and its getting scary, where everything is being nickeled and dimed, SOE started that(though u can directly avoid itas it doesnt effect the game much if any), cryptic studios has joined the band wagon with extra character slots, new additions, and paid content that should otherwise be included in the $14.95 a month sub price. releasing crappy instanced games for mainstream MMORPG sub prices with repetitive simple gameplay. NcSoft with aion cashshop.
Only thing I dont mind is with console games, e.g. paying $5 for DLC such as optional story arcs, new quests. with a Console game it is understood i pay $60 for the game with DLC being added later in which I pay $5 or so for extra added content. But once again it is understood $60 pays only for the game there is no underhanded or auspicous dealings in which the consumer is fooled. If i dont want to spend $5 i dont have to. I got a full game, for the money i spent.
here few companies are going out of their way to charge for silly things such as beta access ( which was used as a tool to help test and debug the game) if you were selected to join the beta, you felt honored to at least be part of testing the game, now itsnothing more than a ploy or a chance to make revenue on a game that may or may not have enough funding to go to retail. (Mortal Online is a major example of this in which the game cant even be considered alpha stage let alone late beta) This seems more to placate the investors who are bitching on when they are going to recieve the returns on their investment.(nothing scarier than a stiff suit who put millions into your company only to crash it down because he/she didnt understand the process of developing a game and is too damn impatient to see it through).
Im not necesarily brushing with a broad stroke, but the changing pattern in how the industry operates is changing fast, and needs to be nipped in the bud. but spend ya buck, encourage them, and youll be getting charged alot more than a buck, and get far less.
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when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means.
in the gaming industry a trial of a released game
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
whats wrong with it? im being charged. $1 or $50 im still being charged for a untested product. FFA PVP has nothing to do wwith it. Ive played FFA PVP games. the problem is im being charged for a trial of a product that should otherwise be free. to dismiss that as trivial because you dont mind paying a $1 undermines the rest of the community that feels its unnecessary. i would like to try the game, but Im not going to pay $1 for a 7 day trial. if its not a $1, how about $5, how bout $10 to test for $7 days where does it stop? either its a free trial or its not. there are no inbetweens. If you disagree with me, cool, fine by me, its your money not mine, spend on what you wish. BUt dont undermine the views and beliefs of rest of the community that feels this is silly and unwarranted. WHen they finally release a "free" trial, then maybe i will try it, until then I'll pass and just keep tabs on the progress from articles released.
Aventurine already stated that the $1 nominal charge is to protect the current subscribers.
Charging ensures that the credit card used is valid (not obtained from a credit card generator). This makes it so that Aventurine is able to blacklist the credit cards of people who do not follow the ToS (hackers/gold-sellers/etc)
It also decreases the amount of people trying, minimizing the chances of having "queuefall" again.
There's probably more reasons, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
The target of the trial are probably people who are "on the fence" or people who want to make sure their computer can run the game before purchasing.
Attracting the people who try every single game that has a trial is probably secondary.
when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means.
in the gaming industry a trial of a released game
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
whats wrong with it? im being charged. $1 or $50 im still being charged for a untested product. FFA PVP has nothing to do wwith it. Ive played FFA PVP games. the problem is im being charged for a trial of a product that should otherwise be free. to dismiss that as trivial because you dont mind paying a $1 undermines the rest of the community that feels its unnecessary. i would like to try the game, but Im not going to pay $1 for a 7 day trial. if its not a $1, how about $5, how bout $10 to test for $7 days where does it stop? either its a free trial or its not. there are no inbetweens. If you disagree with me, cool, fine by me, its your money not mine, spend on what you wish. BUt dont undermine the views and beliefs of rest of the community that feels this is silly and unwarranted. WHen they finally release a "free" trial, then maybe i will try it, until then I'll pass and just keep tabs on the progress from articles released.
Aventurine already stated that the $1 nominal charge is to protect the current subscribers.
Charging ensures that the credit card used is valid (not obtained from a credit card generator). This makes it so that Aventurine is able to blacklist the credit cards of people who do not follow the ToS (hackers/gold-sellers/etc)
It also decreases the amount of people trying, minimizing the chances of having "queuefall" again.
There's probably more reasons, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
The target of the trial are probably people who are "on the fence" or people who want to make sure their computer can run the game before purchasing.
Attracting the people who try every single game that has a trial is probably secondary.
actually that is called a temp charge, but they are actually charging a $1. so thats a half truth there. any company that test to verify a credit card is usually in the form of a temporary charge to validate that the charge went trhough and then is promptly removed. where as AV is outright charging, therefore its not a validation of a person's CC but rather an out right charge if they are in fact keeping the charge. i can understand the dislike in having constant queues in the game when they can barely hold their current subscriber base stable. SO this prevents them from having to purchase extra equipment to offset the sudden rise in trial subscribers.
but your statement on the charge is still has disparity vs any other company that does a validation check on your CC when checking to see if its legit. so to me that agruement is null.
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Originally posted by nakuma oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
I am not aruging with my emotions. dont try to get all philosophical on me, keep to what you know lol. If you understand why I wont pay then there is no room for argument. You understand, but you disagree, and I am willing to accept that. Given the business ends, I know the business end, and its getting scary, where everything is being nickeled and dimed, SOE started that(though u can directly avoid itas it doesnt effect the game much if any), cryptic studios has joined the band wagon with extra character slots, new additions, and paid content that should otherwise be included in the $14.95 a month sub price. releasing crappy instanced games for mainstream MMORPG sub prices with repetitive simple gameplay. NcSoft with aion cashshop.
Only thing I dont mind is with console games, e.g. paying $5 for DLC such as optional story arcs, new quests. with a Console game it is understood i pay $60 for the game with DLC being added later in which I pay $5 or so for extra added content. But once again it is understood $60 pays only for the game there is no underhanded or auspicous dealings in which the consumer is fooled. If i dont want to spend $5 i dont have to. I got a full game, for the money i spent.
here few companies are going out of their way to charge for silly things such as beta access ( which was used as a tool to help test and debug the game) if you were selected to join the beta, you felt honored to at least be part of testing the game, now itsnothing more than a ploy or a chance to make revenue on a game that may or may not have enough funding to go to retail. (Mortal Online is a major example of this in which the game cant even be considered alpha stage let alone late beta) This seems more to placate the investors who are bitching on when they are going to recieve the returns on their investment.(nothing scarier than a stiff suit who put millions into your company only to crash it down because he/she didnt understand the process of developing a game and is too damn impatient to see it through).
Im not necesarily brushing with a broad stroke, but the changing pattern in how the industry operates is changing fast, and needs to be nipped in the bud. but spend ya buck, encourage them, and youll be getting charged alot more than a buck, and get far less.
Im not trying to be philosophical with you. We are at mmorpg, one of the more inmature corners of the internet. You asked me to enlight you and what Ive seen is that you are picking what to argue about. Valid points, from my view, is not taken notice by you or just ignored. So there is no need for me to bring up any more arguments.
I believe that what AV has done will be something to excpect in the future. I prefer that insteed of wows chopped down trial experince that wont let me interact with other players in a good way (just for example). And I dont see anything wrong with this trial model. Why should a company use resources to a market that clearly wont stay as customers? There is no business logic in that.
And your thoughts about the game industry is spot on, Im on the same track as you. To bad my english is so poor so I cant express it.
Originally posted by nakuma oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
I am not aruging with my emotions. dont try to get all philosophical on me, keep to what you know lol. If you understand why I wont pay then there is no room for argument. You understand, but you disagree, and I am willing to accept that. Given the business ends, I know the business end, and its getting scary, where everything is being nickeled and dimed, SOE started that(though u can directly avoid itas it doesnt effect the game much if any), cryptic studios has joined the band wagon with extra character slots, new additions, and paid content that should otherwise be included in the $14.95 a month sub price. releasing crappy instanced games for mainstream MMORPG sub prices with repetitive simple gameplay. NcSoft with aion cashshop.
Only thing I dont mind is with console games, e.g. paying $5 for DLC such as optional story arcs, new quests. with a Console game it is understood i pay $60 for the game with DLC being added later in which I pay $5 or so for extra added content. But once again it is understood $60 pays only for the game there is no underhanded or auspicous dealings in which the consumer is fooled. If i dont want to spend $5 i dont have to. I got a full game, for the money i spent.
here few companies are going out of their way to charge for silly things such as beta access ( which was used as a tool to help test and debug the game) if you were selected to join the beta, you felt honored to at least be part of testing the game, now itsnothing more than a ploy or a chance to make revenue on a game that may or may not have enough funding to go to retail. (Mortal Online is a major example of this in which the game cant even be considered alpha stage let alone late beta) This seems more to placate the investors who are bitching on when they are going to recieve the returns on their investment.(nothing scarier than a stiff suit who put millions into your company only to crash it down because he/she didnt understand the process of developing a game and is too damn impatient to see it through).
Im not necesarily brushing with a broad stroke, but the changing pattern in how the industry operates is changing fast, and needs to be nipped in the bud. but spend ya buck, encourage them, and youll be getting charged alot more than a buck, and get far less.
Im not trying to be philosophical with you. We are at mmorpg, one of the more inmature corners of the internet. You asked me to enlight you and what Ive seen is that you are picking what to argue about. Valid points, from my view, is not taken notice by you or just ignored. So there is no need for me to bring up any more arguments.
I believe that what AV has done will be something to excpect in the future. I prefer that insteed of wows chopped down trial experince that wont let me interact with other players in a good way (just for example). And I dont see anything wrong with this trial model. Why should a company use resources to a market that clearly wont stay as customers? There is no business logic in that.
And your thoughts about the game industry is spot on, Im on the same track as you. To bad my english is so poor so I cant express it.
well free is still better than a dollar, regardless if the game is cut in half or not. but Wow and DF are also two completely different animals. You cant directly compare the 2 where WOW has core PVE with PVP "elements" and DF is out right open FFA PVP with death penality, risk of losing gear and money, you can't say play one and say well the other is the same, because they aren't. Only thing that is the same is the "Time-limitation" meaning after a set number of days, you are canceled out with an option to "upgrade" to a full client with all the trimmings. Yes, DF offers their game unrestricted for 7 days, but its not really any different than WOW's 7 day trial, only thing that is different is the "activities" that you do as a player one is more likely to be PVE questing the other PVP. but one charges you money to test, the other doesnt.
for poor english you speak better than most americans do lol. so dont worry.
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Is not the trial a great thing? : ) Anyone (over 18) can try it.
Its really great Insteed of strange question like remarks like "how do i use a weapon!!!? plz tell. or game sux!" there is a nice calm in the chatt box.
Okay, I'll give you the temp charge argument. I don't know enough about how credit card verifications and such work to argue any more in-depth.
Since there's really nothing more to argue on this post, I'll move onto your nickel-and-dime post that I missed! :P
Here's the list of things Aventurines charge for: Account (client), subscription, Account+Character Transfers, and $1 Trial.
Other than the $1 trial part, that's pretty standard, correct?
Now, what does Aventurine not charge for that most people charge for? Additional game content (or expansions)!
Now, compare the cost of a $1 trial and the usual cost of an expansion... and then tell me if Aventurine is really nickel-and-diming.
And a whole 'nother point...
Aventurine's customer support staff is probably pretty small.
Throw in a trial, and quality of support is likely to be compromised.
With the $1 charge, the trial-base is smaller, and the $1 can be put towards hiring more support staff.
And wallah, the quality of support (which many players are satisfied with) has a lower chance of being affected.
Mmmm... looks like my points aren't very well stated, but oh well! You get the idea. Please don't say that they shouldn't have trials if they can't support them without charging... :P
A week really isn't long enough... the moment you log in, you're the worst at anything that you will ever be, and the first few weeks can be rough. So a week doesn't really give an accurate account of just how the game can be.
This isn't a gripe, just advice to folk picking up the trial... if you can make it through your first week without burning your house down or stabbing somebody, then you will likely find a lot to love as your character and your own skill progresses. But the first week will be the hardest.
Okay, I'll give you the temp charge argument. I don't know enough about how credit card verifications and such work to argue any more in-depth.
Since there's really nothing more to argue on this post, I'll move onto your nickel-and-dime post that I missed! :P
Here's the list of things Aventurines charge for: Account (client), subscription, Account+Character Transfers, and $1 Trial. Other than the $1 trial part, that's pretty standard, correct?
Now, what does Aventurine not charge for that most people charge for? Additional game content (or expansions)!
Now, compare the cost of a $1 trial and the usual cost of an expansion... and then tell me if Aventurine is really nickel-and-diming.
And a whole 'nother point... Aventurine's customer support staff is probably pretty small. Throw in a trial, and quality of support is likely to be compromised. With the $1 charge, the trial-base is smaller, and the $1 can be put towards hiring more support staff. And wallah, the quality of support (which many players are satisfied with) has a lower chance of being affected.
Mmmm... looks like my points aren't very well stated, but oh well! You get the idea. Please don't say that they shouldn't have trials if they can't support them without charging... :P
k I wont sasy they shouldnt have trials if they cant support them. They can charge if they want is their right as a business. But given the industry standard of trials being free and that is not going to for a good while, they should expect a smaller percentage of people to be willing to "risk" a charge for a trial regardless if its just $1. I dont believe i should spend money trying out a product especially considering how the gaming industry is run, whether its a regular single player demo, or MMO trial its a standard for people to try your game showing them the basic aspect of the game to have them decide if they want to purchase it or not.
but It's safe to say we wont see eye to eye. lets just agree to disagree lol.
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"But given the industry standard of trials being free and that is not going to for a good while, they should expect a smaller percentage of people to be willing to "risk" a charge for a trial regardless if its just $1"
I can't agree to disagree to that though. :P
Why?
Because I've said that I believed part of the reason for the $1 charge is to reduce the amount of people trying.
Just to clarify.
I've been arguing that the $1 charge was not a bad decision, and will not snow-ball into charging for every little thing.
I have not been arguing that everyone should pony up the $1.
when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means. a. The act or process of testing, trying, or putting to the proof 2.made, done, or used for the purpose of trying, testing, etc in the gaming industry a trial of a released game, implies the potential consumer is to freely test/play the game to see if it meets their interests under provised restrictions, and limitations of scope, time, or features for the possibility of future purchase or procurement. In short terms "hey try our game its free, but to play further you have to buy the actual game".
AV doesnt do this. they instead charge you a small fee for the same risk of not knowing what to expect. You may like the game, you may not, but in the end they are offering a service, small or large, its still charging and therefore it is not a trial. It is a service with limitations. They are either too lazy, or understaffed to code a trial version of the game that prevents abuse of the game. I cannot think of a game that actually charges for a trial account. this is just another form of nickel and diming to get more revenue by AV. Its both unprofessional, and directly illustrates their inability to compete with mainstream industry. I wouldn't mind giving the game a try, but to be charged to try the game is down right silly. I'll pass.
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
Congrats on the job, so why are you sweating about a dollar? In the definition you posted of trial, there was never a mention of free, and it seems to me that the DF Trial meets the criteria by terms of Webster. So why are you trying to monopolize the term 'trail'? It seems to me that AV is capable of defining that term under their business model, and if it keeps out the people who find a reason to complain about anything and everything.. more power to them!
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Oh no you won't,not unless they fix the registering lol.I sent them an email,probably no response for several days,i think it was directed to accounts lol,to witch i doubt anyone in accounts has any credentials to respond to their botched registering web page design.
I couldn't care less about a dollar , i already know DF is a weak PVE game with little content,but i just wanted to mess around for awhile lol.I wanted to see how frustrated i get when mobs are shooting me before i can even see them lol.I wanted to see if aggro was just distance or if it had any realistic mechanics like SIGHT/SOUND/smell ect ect.
You seem to be the only one who has the button overlap problem.
Have you tried a different browser?
Resolution?
Do you have something like noscript messing with the way webpages are displayed?
And eh? Going into a game with the expectation of hating it? I doubt that's a good idea.
If you can't pay a dollar for a weeks worth of unrestricted game play, then you're probably not a potential customer. I think this is probably the best thing they could do for the community to keep nuisances away from the game, and the people who complain about where gaming is going haven't accepted it is already there.
when you start charging money for a product its not no longer a trial but a service. I have a job, but why would I need to pay them $1 for the opportunity to play their game for 7 days. That is not a trial here is what the defiition of trial means.
a. The act or process of testing, trying, or putting to the proof
2.made, done, or used for the purpose of trying, testing, etc
in the gaming industry a trial of a released game, implies the potential consumer is to freely test/play the game to see if it meets their interests under provised restrictions, and limitations of scope, time, or features for the possibility of future purchase or procurement. In short terms "hey try our game its free, but to play further you have to buy the actual game".
AV doesnt do this. they instead charge you a small fee for the same risk of not knowing what to expect. You may like the game, you may not, but in the end they are offering a service, small or large, its still charging and therefore it is not a trial. It is a service with limitations.
They are either too lazy, or understaffed to code a trial version of the game that prevents abuse of the game. I cannot think of a game that actually charges for a trial account. this is just another form of nickel and diming to get more revenue by AV. Its both unprofessional, and directly illustrates their inability to compete with mainstream industry. I wouldn't mind giving the game a try, but to be charged to try the game is down right silly. I'll pass.
oh by the way, There is a old adage..." there is a sucker born every minute" and "a Fool and his money are soon parted"
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Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
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If a trial in the gaming industry is implied to be free, then why do companies bother to tag on the word "free?" With the word "free," it's no longer implied, it's stated.
How often has AV conformed the the norm anyways?
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
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Oh God, all these retards.
1$ and you guys are whining? Seriously... Thats like what you get from working for about 2 minutes on your job.
And thinking they would scam you? LOL. If you really dont know why they are charging. Well stfu.
It's becoming so lame, this whole community... Been here for years and years.. Just getting worse and worse..... Sigh...
i dont think they are scamming me. I refuse to pay money for a limited trial. a trial is suposed to a test of their product. Every MMO out there that has a trial is free. yet AV charges a $1? why? whats the point? Make it $0 so I can test it, see if I like it. but Im not grabbing into my wallet and putting in my credit card and spending money on an untested product I know nothing about. there is no reason I should be charged, thats all I am saying, and I will continue not to test any product that charges me before I actually get to directly use it. just my opinion, just my view doesnt make me a retard. So watch your mouth before you go off the hinge in the internet.
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You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
"Spending money on untested product you know nothing about " this is a bit weird , darkfall is most player reviewed game because until now there was no trial .A lot of new players came and shared their experience on mmorpg forum for people on the fence ,just look to DF subforum for them .You can find alot of player review opinion and stories .you may like or may not everybody has own taste , but untested and known nothing ?
Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
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So... people like you are a fan of the game, and I will meet them when I pay for the game? Woah that sounds so great, I'll have to immediately... uhm... pass on that.
Seriously: the point is that the companies keep charging for more and more. That they want money for the product makes sense. But now most companies want money even for beta testing. And they want money for services like additional character slots or name change. And now they also want money for even trying the game.
I know it's not much money, and for 1 week it's probably fair. It still remains that many people think of a trial something like, that they can just download and play for a while, without having to pay a single cent and without having to give their credit card information to anyone. The point is the difference between "paying for a trial" and "not paying for a trial".
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
whats wrong with it? im being charged. $1 or $50 im still being charged for a untested product. FFA PVP has nothing to do wwith it. Ive played FFA PVP games. the problem is im being charged for a trial of a product that should otherwise be free. to dismiss that as trivial because you dont mind paying a $1 undermines the rest of the community that feels its unnecessary. i would like to try the game, but Im not going to pay $1 for a 7 day trial. if its not a $1, how about $5, how bout $10 to test for $7 days where does it stop? either its a free trial or its not. there are no inbetweens. If you disagree with me, cool, fine by me, its your money not mine, spend on what you wish. BUt dont undermine the views and beliefs of rest of the community that feels this is silly and unwarranted. WHen they finally release a "free" trial, then maybe i will try it, until then I'll pass and just keep tabs on the progress from articles released.
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Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
I am not aruging with my emotions. dont try to get all philosophical on me, keep to what you know lol. If you understand why I wont pay then there is no room for argument. You understand, but you disagree, and I am willing to accept that. Given the business ends, I know the business end, and its getting scary, where everything is being nickeled and dimed, SOE started that(though u can directly avoid itas it doesnt effect the game much if any), cryptic studios has joined the band wagon with extra character slots, new additions, and paid content that should otherwise be included in the $14.95 a month sub price. releasing crappy instanced games for mainstream MMORPG sub prices with repetitive simple gameplay. NcSoft with aion cashshop.
Only thing I dont mind is with console games, e.g. paying $5 for DLC such as optional story arcs, new quests. with a Console game it is understood i pay $60 for the game with DLC being added later in which I pay $5 or so for extra added content. But once again it is understood $60 pays only for the game there is no underhanded or auspicous dealings in which the consumer is fooled. If i dont want to spend $5 i dont have to. I got a full game, for the money i spent.
here few companies are going out of their way to charge for silly things such as beta access ( which was used as a tool to help test and debug the game) if you were selected to join the beta, you felt honored to at least be part of testing the game, now itsnothing more than a ploy or a chance to make revenue on a game that may or may not have enough funding to go to retail. (Mortal Online is a major example of this in which the game cant even be considered alpha stage let alone late beta) This seems more to placate the investors who are bitching on when they are going to recieve the returns on their investment.(nothing scarier than a stiff suit who put millions into your company only to crash it down because he/she didnt understand the process of developing a game and is too damn impatient to see it through).
Im not necesarily brushing with a broad stroke, but the changing pattern in how the industry operates is changing fast, and needs to be nipped in the bud. but spend ya buck, encourage them, and youll be getting charged alot more than a buck, and get far less.
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You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
whats wrong with it? im being charged. $1 or $50 im still being charged for a untested product. FFA PVP has nothing to do wwith it. Ive played FFA PVP games. the problem is im being charged for a trial of a product that should otherwise be free. to dismiss that as trivial because you dont mind paying a $1 undermines the rest of the community that feels its unnecessary. i would like to try the game, but Im not going to pay $1 for a 7 day trial. if its not a $1, how about $5, how bout $10 to test for $7 days where does it stop? either its a free trial or its not. there are no inbetweens. If you disagree with me, cool, fine by me, its your money not mine, spend on what you wish. BUt dont undermine the views and beliefs of rest of the community that feels this is silly and unwarranted. WHen they finally release a "free" trial, then maybe i will try it, until then I'll pass and just keep tabs on the progress from articles released.
Aventurine already stated that the $1 nominal charge is to protect the current subscribers.
Charging ensures that the credit card used is valid (not obtained from a credit card generator). This makes it so that Aventurine is able to blacklist the credit cards of people who do not follow the ToS (hackers/gold-sellers/etc)
It also decreases the amount of people trying, minimizing the chances of having "queuefall" again.
There's probably more reasons, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
The target of the trial are probably people who are "on the fence" or people who want to make sure their computer can run the game before purchasing.
Attracting the people who try every single game that has a trial is probably secondary.
You are giving so much meaning to 1$ 7days trial , a lot of people asked for trial before buying game until now than AV put a 7days trial for 1$ .Now people on the fence can try themselves .I think some people complaining just for complaining .If you were not thinking playing game until now still there is not any reason try game for you .It is a pvp game- full loot - FFA if these things were not your cup of tea still will not be .
Darkfall has love or hate relation with players if you love it is nice if you hate now youll only spend 1$ (vs. 50) , what is wrong with it?
whats wrong with it? im being charged. $1 or $50 im still being charged for a untested product. FFA PVP has nothing to do wwith it. Ive played FFA PVP games. the problem is im being charged for a trial of a product that should otherwise be free. to dismiss that as trivial because you dont mind paying a $1 undermines the rest of the community that feels its unnecessary. i would like to try the game, but Im not going to pay $1 for a 7 day trial. if its not a $1, how about $5, how bout $10 to test for $7 days where does it stop? either its a free trial or its not. there are no inbetweens. If you disagree with me, cool, fine by me, its your money not mine, spend on what you wish. BUt dont undermine the views and beliefs of rest of the community that feels this is silly and unwarranted. WHen they finally release a "free" trial, then maybe i will try it, until then I'll pass and just keep tabs on the progress from articles released.
Aventurine already stated that the $1 nominal charge is to protect the current subscribers.
Charging ensures that the credit card used is valid (not obtained from a credit card generator). This makes it so that Aventurine is able to blacklist the credit cards of people who do not follow the ToS (hackers/gold-sellers/etc)
It also decreases the amount of people trying, minimizing the chances of having "queuefall" again.
There's probably more reasons, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
The target of the trial are probably people who are "on the fence" or people who want to make sure their computer can run the game before purchasing.
Attracting the people who try every single game that has a trial is probably secondary.
actually that is called a temp charge, but they are actually charging a $1. so thats a half truth there. any company that test to verify a credit card is usually in the form of a temporary charge to validate that the charge went trhough and then is promptly removed. where as AV is outright charging, therefore its not a validation of a person's CC but rather an out right charge if they are in fact keeping the charge. i can understand the dislike in having constant queues in the game when they can barely hold their current subscriber base stable. SO this prevents them from having to purchase extra equipment to offset the sudden rise in trial subscribers.
but your statement on the charge is still has disparity vs any other company that does a validation check on your CC when checking to see if its legit. so to me that agruement is null.
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Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
I am not aruging with my emotions. dont try to get all philosophical on me, keep to what you know lol. If you understand why I wont pay then there is no room for argument. You understand, but you disagree, and I am willing to accept that. Given the business ends, I know the business end, and its getting scary, where everything is being nickeled and dimed, SOE started that(though u can directly avoid itas it doesnt effect the game much if any), cryptic studios has joined the band wagon with extra character slots, new additions, and paid content that should otherwise be included in the $14.95 a month sub price. releasing crappy instanced games for mainstream MMORPG sub prices with repetitive simple gameplay. NcSoft with aion cashshop.
Only thing I dont mind is with console games, e.g. paying $5 for DLC such as optional story arcs, new quests. with a Console game it is understood i pay $60 for the game with DLC being added later in which I pay $5 or so for extra added content. But once again it is understood $60 pays only for the game there is no underhanded or auspicous dealings in which the consumer is fooled. If i dont want to spend $5 i dont have to. I got a full game, for the money i spent.
here few companies are going out of their way to charge for silly things such as beta access ( which was used as a tool to help test and debug the game) if you were selected to join the beta, you felt honored to at least be part of testing the game, now itsnothing more than a ploy or a chance to make revenue on a game that may or may not have enough funding to go to retail. (Mortal Online is a major example of this in which the game cant even be considered alpha stage let alone late beta) This seems more to placate the investors who are bitching on when they are going to recieve the returns on their investment.(nothing scarier than a stiff suit who put millions into your company only to crash it down because he/she didnt understand the process of developing a game and is too damn impatient to see it through).
Im not necesarily brushing with a broad stroke, but the changing pattern in how the industry operates is changing fast, and needs to be nipped in the bud. but spend ya buck, encourage them, and youll be getting charged alot more than a buck, and get far less.
Im not trying to be philosophical with you. We are at mmorpg, one of the more inmature corners of the internet. You asked me to enlight you and what Ive seen is that you are picking what to argue about. Valid points, from my view, is not taken notice by you or just ignored. So there is no need for me to bring up any more arguments.
I believe that what AV has done will be something to excpect in the future. I prefer that insteed of wows chopped down trial experince that wont let me interact with other players in a good way (just for example). And I dont see anything wrong with this trial model. Why should a company use resources to a market that clearly wont stay as customers? There is no business logic in that.
And your thoughts about the game industry is spot on, Im on the same track as you. To bad my english is so poor so I cant express it.
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Good saying. And that is why I like this paid trial. I dont have to buy a product that I want, but have heard so diffrent things about. And just becuse you fail to see why AV dosent give a try out for free dosent meen its silly.
then enlighten me.
I know that I dont have any arguements that will enlight you. There is so many posts about why AV is using a 1 $/€ try out. And you havent excepted one of them as valid. Not a single one seems to be ok for you and that makes me believe that you are argueing with emotions. And then there is no enlightment. Please correct me if Im wrong
I can understand why you dont want to pay (even a small amount money) for a thing that is supposed to be free. But things will never be standing still, and when it comes to business its for certain. AV is doing what they are doing andy ou have made it clear that you wont support it by not opening your wallet.
I am not aruging with my emotions. dont try to get all philosophical on me, keep to what you know lol. If you understand why I wont pay then there is no room for argument. You understand, but you disagree, and I am willing to accept that. Given the business ends, I know the business end, and its getting scary, where everything is being nickeled and dimed, SOE started that(though u can directly avoid itas it doesnt effect the game much if any), cryptic studios has joined the band wagon with extra character slots, new additions, and paid content that should otherwise be included in the $14.95 a month sub price. releasing crappy instanced games for mainstream MMORPG sub prices with repetitive simple gameplay. NcSoft with aion cashshop.
Only thing I dont mind is with console games, e.g. paying $5 for DLC such as optional story arcs, new quests. with a Console game it is understood i pay $60 for the game with DLC being added later in which I pay $5 or so for extra added content. But once again it is understood $60 pays only for the game there is no underhanded or auspicous dealings in which the consumer is fooled. If i dont want to spend $5 i dont have to. I got a full game, for the money i spent.
here few companies are going out of their way to charge for silly things such as beta access ( which was used as a tool to help test and debug the game) if you were selected to join the beta, you felt honored to at least be part of testing the game, now itsnothing more than a ploy or a chance to make revenue on a game that may or may not have enough funding to go to retail. (Mortal Online is a major example of this in which the game cant even be considered alpha stage let alone late beta) This seems more to placate the investors who are bitching on when they are going to recieve the returns on their investment.(nothing scarier than a stiff suit who put millions into your company only to crash it down because he/she didnt understand the process of developing a game and is too damn impatient to see it through).
Im not necesarily brushing with a broad stroke, but the changing pattern in how the industry operates is changing fast, and needs to be nipped in the bud. but spend ya buck, encourage them, and youll be getting charged alot more than a buck, and get far less.
Im not trying to be philosophical with you. We are at mmorpg, one of the more inmature corners of the internet. You asked me to enlight you and what Ive seen is that you are picking what to argue about. Valid points, from my view, is not taken notice by you or just ignored. So there is no need for me to bring up any more arguments.
I believe that what AV has done will be something to excpect in the future. I prefer that insteed of wows chopped down trial experince that wont let me interact with other players in a good way (just for example). And I dont see anything wrong with this trial model. Why should a company use resources to a market that clearly wont stay as customers? There is no business logic in that.
And your thoughts about the game industry is spot on, Im on the same track as you. To bad my english is so poor so I cant express it.
well free is still better than a dollar, regardless if the game is cut in half or not. but Wow and DF are also two completely different animals. You cant directly compare the 2 where WOW has core PVE with PVP "elements" and DF is out right open FFA PVP with death penality, risk of losing gear and money, you can't say play one and say well the other is the same, because they aren't. Only thing that is the same is the "Time-limitation" meaning after a set number of days, you are canceled out with an option to "upgrade" to a full client with all the trimmings. Yes, DF offers their game unrestricted for 7 days, but its not really any different than WOW's 7 day trial, only thing that is different is the "activities" that you do as a player one is more likely to be PVE questing the other PVP. but one charges you money to test, the other doesnt.
for poor english you speak better than most americans do lol. so dont worry.
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Is not the trial a great thing? : )
Anyone (over 18) can try it.
Its really great
Insteed of strange question like remarks like "how do i use a weapon!!!? plz tell. or game sux!" there is a nice calm in the chatt box.
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Bit late, but meh.
Okay, I'll give you the temp charge argument. I don't know enough about how credit card verifications and such work to argue any more in-depth.
Since there's really nothing more to argue on this post, I'll move onto your nickel-and-dime post that I missed! :P
Here's the list of things Aventurines charge for: Account (client), subscription, Account+Character Transfers, and $1 Trial.
Other than the $1 trial part, that's pretty standard, correct?
Now, what does Aventurine not charge for that most people charge for? Additional game content (or expansions)!
Now, compare the cost of a $1 trial and the usual cost of an expansion... and then tell me if Aventurine is really nickel-and-diming.
And a whole 'nother point...
Aventurine's customer support staff is probably pretty small.
Throw in a trial, and quality of support is likely to be compromised.
With the $1 charge, the trial-base is smaller, and the $1 can be put towards hiring more support staff.
And wallah, the quality of support (which many players are satisfied with) has a lower chance of being affected.
Mmmm... looks like my points aren't very well stated, but oh well! You get the idea. Please don't say that they shouldn't have trials if they can't support them without charging... :P
A week really isn't long enough... the moment you log in, you're the worst at anything that you will ever be, and the first few weeks can be rough. So a week doesn't really give an accurate account of just how the game can be.
This isn't a gripe, just advice to folk picking up the trial... if you can make it through your first week without burning your house down or stabbing somebody, then you will likely find a lot to love as your character and your own skill progresses. But the first week will be the hardest.
k I wont sasy they shouldnt have trials if they cant support them. They can charge if they want is their right as a business. But given the industry standard of trials being free and that is not going to for a good while, they should expect a smaller percentage of people to be willing to "risk" a charge for a trial regardless if its just $1. I dont believe i should spend money trying out a product especially considering how the gaming industry is run, whether its a regular single player demo, or MMO trial its a standard for people to try your game showing them the basic aspect of the game to have them decide if they want to purchase it or not.
but It's safe to say we wont see eye to eye. lets just agree to disagree lol.
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Agree to disagree? Sure.
I just gotta quote this though:
"But given the industry standard of trials being free and that is not going to for a good while, they should expect a smaller percentage of people to be willing to "risk" a charge for a trial regardless if its just $1"
I can't agree to disagree to that though. :P
Why?
Because I've said that I believed part of the reason for the $1 charge is to reduce the amount of people trying.
Just to clarify.
I've been arguing that the $1 charge was not a bad decision, and will not snow-ball into charging for every little thing.
I have not been arguing that everyone should pony up the $1.
Congrats on the job, so why are you sweating about a dollar? In the definition you posted of trial, there was never a mention of free, and it seems to me that the DF Trial meets the criteria by terms of Webster. So why are you trying to monopolize the term 'trail'? It seems to me that AV is capable of defining that term under their business model, and if it keeps out the people who find a reason to complain about anything and everything.. more power to them!
they should instead ggive a free trail if they want people to play their game.free trail=more people try=more people buy if they like.