... Gozer probably honestly thinks that most everyone on the forums and game are immature lil kids, and therefore he speaks down to them like a teacher does to a rowdy class.. He has done this BS before preemptively telling people he's not going to take any shit.. On the 3rd strike, he should be banned from the forums, I don't give a shit of he's an employee or not.. Lately he's just as guilty in causing drama on the forums as those he points a finger at .
Imho he is right though. The forum is full of emo rage whining kids. Wether that emorage immature kid is right or not is besides the point, its still an emorage immature kid. And i also agree that someone should lay the smack down on them.
Its not a we, the customers, vs them, the company. Its about immature emorage kids that think they deserve someone groveling at their feet because they paid 50 bucks for a game. Nothing is better than constructive criticism, and i fully applaud everyone who voices his dissatisfaction in a civilized manner. But i, and probably many others dont really want to know what some emorage immature kid thinks about the devs heritage or if there where any goats involved.
I just dont care for personal attacks on devs who are just doing their job, 90% of the accusations leveled at the devs are probably totally out of their control. And no you dont have the right to bite their head of just cause they are the messanger. Thats just not decent behavior, and if you dont have decent behavior your dont get to complain about not being treated right in my book.
Edit: You obviously didnt see all the posts, cause the mods got to them first.
I 100% agree with the deveolper work in retail for a while, there comes a point witha custumer where there only so many fuck yous you take, when a custumer is beligerant for beligerants sack which the anominty of the interenet seems to give people there comes a point where you go fuck you back and throw them out the store and you know what on the few instances I have done that the other custumers applaud you becuase they dont like hearing whining people either. if its contstuctive critizism fine but fuck you it sucks is not. The arrogance of this thread is the original poster thinking its ok to belittle people and crap on them and that the developer should sit there and take it. No one has to take disrespect. the fact the developer is explaining things telling you whats going on is a sign of respect for the community. Yeah STO has Issues hell I voice them, but cryptic was forced to release the game in 2 years but so far they really are slowly trying to get it toghether, and to make people resub your right, but thats also called business, but its not the borg content I think thats why the klingon content doest comet ill march.
You must of failed to read the post right above you..... did you miss the " IF " word in Gozer's statement.. There was no attacking him or bile in the post.. Therefore there was NO reason for Gozer to start the pissing contest.. He wasn't defending his honor or being insulted directly by anyone..
I can just see Gozer working at Customer Service window at a store.. A person walks up holding a shirt (which most likely is being returned to store for refund).. Gozer doesn't say hello, how can I help you.. nope.. he says to customer, "If you are going to give me shit, im not going to help you"..... Let me say this very clear, that type of conduct ANYWHERE else besides an online forum would get you FIRED.. period.. on the spot..
To me what he said is no different to the notices you find in many places now that state the staff will NOT tolerate intimidating, violent behaviour when dealing with you. If you phone a company to complain and start ranting and being rather rude they will terminate your call. Just because you have paid money for something doesn't mean you can be an ass.
His warning is there because he, you and I all know exactly what forums are like. He simply pre-empted the inevitable mud slinging.
Yeah.. he pre-emptively started the mud slinging.. but hey.. why am I not shocked.. After just reading the "state of the game" thread I agree with many of the 300 post on the official boards saying that Mr Zn was out of line, rude and arrogant with his "you just don't get it" aimed at those that don't praise the game in it's current form
Throughout development, we guessed Star Trek Online might be polarizing. Some people don't get it and some people simply don't like it... But, others fall in love with their ships and captains and bridge officers. Those are the ones who can't live without beaming down to strange, new planets and participating in lively stories.
Pray tell me how this is rude or anything. Im pretty sure its 100% true. Some people really dont get it. Some people get it but dont like it. And others well like it, thats not rude thats being honest.
Edit: He didnt say you didnt get it, he said some dont get it, and some dont like it. Its your own decision which group you belong too.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
Throughout development, we guessed Star Trek Online might be polarizing. Some people don't get it and some people simply don't like it... But, others fall in love with their ships and captains and bridge officers. Those are the ones who can't live without beaming down to strange, new planets and participating in lively stories.
Pray tell me how this is rude or anything. Im pretty sure its 100% true. Some people really dont get it. Some people get it but dont like it. And others well like it, thats not rude thats being honest.
Edit: He didnt say you didnt get it, he said some dont get it, and some dont like it. Its your own decision which group you belong too.
I think we all know what is meant by "some don't get it".. What Mr Zn said in no spin of words was that there are 3 groups of people in STO.... 1) those that love it.. 2) those that don't like it.. and 3) those that are TOO STUPID to not get it"... I'm sorry, but I'm not born yesterday and I know exactly what Z intention was with his remark and it didn't go unnoticed .. What Zn did was imply that those that don't get it are "stupid".. Nice to see an executive of a company make such implications.. Amazing
if you can create your own race why are they selling races on the market place?
Iconic races have a unique skill only available to that race. You can create your own alien race to 'look' like anything you want and you choose 4 skills for that race to have, but if you want a particular races 'unique' skill, you have to play that race, such as the ferengi or klingon, which are available from the store.
For example, the Joined Trill skill (improves space stats) is only available to the Joined Trill race, can't have a human or klingon with 'joined trill' as a skill...obviously.
So you want to play a klingon and not pay, just create an alien that looks like one, pick 4 skills you want and start playing a klingon for free; I seriously doubt you would ever miss the unique skill to that race.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
I thought I would respond to the pet controls comment. In the game I am playing, my pet has these options:
1) follow me around
2) stay here
3) attack my target
4) attack a different target
5) stay passive unless attacked, then retaliate
6) the pets also have several powers, so : use self heal
7) use the range debuff attack
8) use the melee attack
9) defend me, attack only if I am attacked (useful for when I am harvesting)
10) pet pathing, not a command, but an ability
I always try to play pet classes in RPG's, and some games have superior pets. Pet pathing is probably the most important thing, aside from powers. Some games have pets that snag on a blade of grass, other games have pets that can fly.
Where did they hire these people? Again today I read yet another thread over on the STO, where Dev Gozer told people there was an error, the so called "new" content patch was not going live today, and if people didn't stop complaining he wasn't going to come to the forums anymore.. Again you have to love the unprofessional attitude and arrogance of staffers.. Anyways.. the main reason for this post is in response to their subscriber survey and why it's there.. Where was Cryptic's concern on what people wanted in the game back in closed beta? Where was Cryptic's concern of what Open Beta players wanted? Where was Cryptic's concern about what the general star trek fan base wanted? It isn't till now when STO is facing mass exodus of 1/2 their player base that they show any interest what so ever.. The arrogance of the STO team was so high, that they most likely didn't give a rat's ass what the public wanted, because they know best.. Now all they are doing is dangling carrots to keep people around till AFTER the 30 days run out and hope they at least sub for another month. And now trying to show false concern that they are listening.. My gut feeling tells me that the so called borg patch is ready for d/l, but they are dangling it until next week hoping to get fence sitters to sub for a month before releasing it.. If it was up to me I would sh*t can at least HALF of their employees and do my best to put them on a "black ball" for awhile till they learn their lesson.. The other HALF should be motivated now to start operating like a customer service business.. or they too will find pink slips in their box by Father's Day..
Like every other whining MMO player you will realize that they are not arrogant. They simply are sick and tired of the community complaining about everything. I have seen so many MMO's runied by the "community" which on the forums usually consists of a bunch of aggorant whining people. Just because you pay to play the game gives you absolutely no right to dictate the content. If you do not like it , stop playing. Simple as that.
The fact you never realize is that you just started playing a game, the developers has spent about 4 - 5 years doing nothing but living and breathing the game. When you complain about some ability, choice, quest, etc.. They have already had meetings, discussions, graphs and a complete analysis on how it fits into the game. You on the other hand, go to the forums and start complaining and whining because he has X and you want that ability!
Ever heard of an MMO called SWG! They gave the "community" EXACTLY what they wanted! You know what, the game sucked for the other 90% of players that loved the game as is, and never had a reason to go to the forums and complain.
if you can create your own race why are they selling races on the market place?
Iconic races have a unique skill only available to that race. You can create your own alien race to 'look' like anything you want and you choose 4 skills for that race to have, but if you want a particular races 'unique' skill, you have to play that race, such as the ferengi or klingon, which are available from the store.
For example, the Joined Trill skill (improves space stats) is only available to the Joined Trill race, can't have a human or klingon with 'joined trill' as a skill...obviously.
So you want to play a klingon and not pay, just create an alien that looks like one, pick 4 skills you want and start playing a klingon for free; I seriously doubt you would ever miss the unique skill to that race.
It's a little bit more than that. When you create a generic 'alien' you have a lot of options, but those are 'generic' options. When you create a specific race, you have customization options specific to that race. So, for example, creating a 'generic' klingon you get a choice of a few predetermined forehead ridges, while if you create a 'real' klingon, you get customization options specific to klingons.
But again, it's all just cosmetic. You can create a klingon without spending any cryptic points, but if you want to create a specific image of a klingon you have in mind, you'll probably need to buy the 'race' with cryptic points.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
The programmer remark was in reply to the "never seen before content as everything is premade". Content has to be made and programmed. As for 3d movement, saying it is NOT 3D movement is an out and out lie with the intent to mislead people.
This thread should have been called the "Whiners Club". Many of the posts are from people who obviously have never worked in a public service job (or a job) in their lives.
If YOU were on the other end of these comments what would you be writting back? If you think these comments from one person are bad, you should hear some of the comments between employees. "Hey guys, take a look at this jerk! Good thing the internet is anonymous. If I knew this A-Hole I would beat the H-ll out of them." (and other such ideas)
Personally I think the users on the net should all be registered. It would get polite quickly.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
In Star Trek Online, the Star Trek universe will appear for the first time on a truly massive scale.
Total falsehood. Massive scale? You can go from Earth to the four corners of the ST Universe in a matter of a few minutes, load time included.
This is an opinion not a fact. Because we all have a different opinion of what 'truly massive' means. It is debated on these forums every day. Please, pick a fact and not an advertising sell point.
In this massively multiplayer online game from Cryptic Studios, players can pioneer their own destiny as Captain of a Federation starship. Or, they can become a Klingon Warlord and expand the Empire to the far reaches of the galaxy.
Slight hyperbole. There is no Empire building or expanding or any way to affect the world (i.e. the maps pretending to be a world) in any way.
In this timeline, Klingons are building and expanding their empire, and the battles klingons fight is for that purpose. I don't see a lie here, if you could actually control and take over territory, they would have stated that clearly. Another advert line, not a "LIE". See how advertisers leave things subjective on purpose?
Players will have the opportunity to visit iconic locations from the popular Star Trek fiction, reach out to unexplored star systems, and make contact with new alien species. With Episode Missions, every moment spent playing Star Trek Online will feel like a new Star Trek episode in which you are the star.
Falsehood. Contant with new species? This is not in the game, certianly not in any meaningful way unless you are just counting that faces on mission text or NPCs can take any form.
I just did a quest to 'contact a new species'. I did one yesterday, and the day before. This isn't a lie.
Explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations in a vast, expanding universe.
Falsehood. Again, no expanding universe or even a persistent universe - just some small static maps joined by tons of loading screens. No new worlds, just small maps pretending to be a world and civilizations? I have yet to see a single map, ground or otherwise, I could cross in a matter of a couple minutes - there is no civilization or vast world here.
Again, you are disagreeing with their concept of new life, new civs and expanding universe, just because you have a different opinion than the devs, doesn't mean they lied to you.
Establish contact with new races, discover resources and uncover mysteries that will influence Star Trek's future. In 2409, Star Trek Online exists in a timeframe beyond even the latest movies, so everything you experience will be brand new, but still based on all the fiction you love.
Falsehood. Contant new races. again total BS. Discover resources? Not in the game.
Again, I contacted new races every day for the last 3 days, what are you talking about? I also scanned many anomolies and discovered new resources....what exactly is total b.s.? Did you play this game at all?
Star Trek Online will be the first AAA MMO to feature space and ground combat at launch.
Meaningless. How many space MMOs are there even? And as far as an AAA MMO, I think few objective people would even call this an MMO , let alone an AAA MMO.
Not a lie. It is the first aaa mmo to feature space and ground combat at launch. This is true.
Missions will take you and your friends into the depths of space, across exotic planets, and even inside starships! As the Captain of your very own ship, it's up to you to lead your crew on missions that span a number of locations. You call the shots, no matter where you are.
Misleading at best. Across exotic planets? If that means a map no bigger than most FPS games then I suppose that counts, but I hardly think of exploring the depths of space and exotic planets means loading to maps so small you can run across them in a minute or two.
So you your definition of 'exotic planet' = a large map bigger than most fps games and no loading screens.....you're definition is all messed up, i'd research bot the words 'exotic' and 'planet' and then tell me if this is a lie. I'd love to see you argue this point in court though.
plaintiff: They said I'd explore exotic planets!
judge: you don't?
plaintiff: the maps are small with loading screens
judge: case dismissed.
When you're in space, you direct the action - be it in the middle of a high-tension battle, where you can maneuver in 3-D space and fire a vast array of weaponry at your enemies, or as you enter warp to explore parts of the galaxy never before documented.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Are you high? None of what YOU said is true or even reasonable. 'Everything is premade' - LOL. Yeah, I thought they had developed a magic computer that wrote content as you played...I thought I would be the first to discover content and maps the developers didn't know about! I'm sorry.....LOL again.
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
So they lied or it wasn't what you expected?
Total customization
Using Cryptic’s Total Customization technology, every ship you command can be customized by you, from its color to its construction.
Exageration. You get customization for sure, but within very limited framework especially in terms of ships. Character creator is good, no doubt about that but beyond the character creator the customization options are pretty limited and certainly far from 'total customization'.
You customized one newbie ship. Don't pretend like you know any more than the limitations on your 'starter gear'.
Your ship will retain a Star Trek "feel," but it will also represent your style. What’s more, anyone can create their own species in Star Trek Online, meaning you can tell your own story about how you came to be in the galaxy. Leave your mark on the Star Trek universe!
True and false. You can make your own character look and even species within the character creator but the rest is totally false. You have no way to tell your own story unless they are claiming the text field in a character bio as a game feature. And there is no way to leave a mark on the STO universe as the universe is static and non persistence and fully instanced.
You absolutely have a bio section on character creation where you can 'tell your own story'. This is not a lie, just not what you expected.
Built by veterans with you in mind
Please. They had their deadline, their bottom line in mind - not gamers.
opinion.
Star Trek Online is being developed by Cryptic Studios, creators of the massively successful City of Heroes and City of Villains. It’s built on the Cryptic Engine, a core technology that means our designers can focus less on a game’s nuts and bolts and more on creating a game that captures Star Trek’s essence, guaranteeing that both longtime fans of Star Trek and people new to the universe will feel at home.
Telling. Funny how they left out Champions Online from that, especially since this game is nearly the same in terms of its lack of content, lack of polish, simplistic design, no persistent world, and overall unfinished state.
And the lie is where....?
Join us in Star Trek Online, and boldly go where no one has gone before!
LOL. As long as that place you boldly want to go is an instance we have crafted for you and you have a mission you hold that allows you to enter that area (that is right, save a few areas you can only enter systems and planets you have active missions for).
So, this isn't a lie. To have instances does not negate 'boldly going....' Your argument is very weak.
Oh I can't go on. You are so wrong at every level. I suggest you take some lessons on fact vs. opinion, truth in advertising and perhaps some simple logic excercises.
Everything you call a "LIE" is really just a feature that didn't meet your expectations. Because you have a different opinion about what those features should look like or play like., doesn't mean they don't exist.
I refer to my tagline:
"Who did wrong? the advertiser hired to sell the game, or the consumer who put faith in advertising?"
You put your faith in advertising. Keep doing it and you will be burned at every purchase.
This thread should have been called the "Whiners Club". Many of the posts are from people who obviously have never worked in a public service job (or a job) in their lives. If YOU were on the other end of these comments what would you be writting back? If you think these comments from one person are bad, you should hear some of the comments between employees. "Hey guys, take a look at this jerk! Good thing the internet is anonymous. If I knew this A-Hole I would beat the H-ll out of them." (and other such ideas) Personally I think the users on the net should all be registered. It would get polite quickly.
Amen brother. It's hilarious to me, having been in the service industry for many, many years, and reading a lot of the posts on here. One word springs to mind that I think fits such topics quite well... Ignorance.
For those jackalopes who think the world revolves around them.. well it doesn't. And what's more, I guarantee you the CSRs at Cryptic, just like at any other company, talk smack about you between themselves when you act a jerk. I know I would.
I think registering everyone on the net is a great idea just for that very reason. Back in the day me and my buddies used to frequent certain chat rooms where true IP's were displayed beside every users name, registered or not. It was mindblowing how many trolls changed their tune real quick when I ran a traceroute on their IP's and told them I knew where they lived.
EDIT: Looking at the complaining on those forums, I would stop going there too.
Where did they hire these people? Again today I read yet another thread over on the STO, where Dev Gozer told people there was an error, the so called "new" content patch was not going live today, and if people didn't stop complaining he wasn't going to come to the forums anymore.. Again you have to love the unprofessional attitude and arrogance of staffers.. Anyways.. the main reason for this post is in response to their subscriber survey and why it's there.. Where was Cryptic's concern on what people wanted in the game back in closed beta? Where was Cryptic's concern of what Open Beta players wanted? Where was Cryptic's concern about what the general star trek fan base wanted? It isn't till now when STO is facing mass exodus of 1/2 their player base that they show any interest what so ever.. The arrogance of the STO team was so high, that they most likely didn't give a rat's ass what the public wanted, because they know best.. Now all they are doing is dangling carrots to keep people around till AFTER the 30 days run out and hope they at least sub for another month. And now trying to show false concern that they are listening.. My gut feeling tells me that the so called borg patch is ready for d/l, but they are dangling it until next week hoping to get fence sitters to sub for a month before releasing it.. If it was up to me I would sh*t can at least HALF of their employees and do my best to put them on a "black ball" for awhile till they learn their lesson.. The other HALF should be motivated now to start operating like a customer service business.. or they too will find pink slips in their box by Father's Day..
Like every other whining MMO player you will realize that they are not arrogant. They simply are sick and tired of the community complaining about everything. I have seen so many MMO's runied by the "community" which on the forums usually consists of a bunch of aggorant whining people. Just because you pay to play the game gives you absolutely no right to dictate the content. If you do not like it , stop playing. Simple as that.
The fact you never realize is that you just started playing a game, the developers has spent about 4 - 5 years doing nothing but living and breathing the game. When you complain about some ability, choice, quest, etc.. They have already had meetings, discussions, graphs and a complete analysis on how it fits into the game. You on the other hand, go to the forums and start complaining and whining because he has X and you want that ability!
Ever heard of an MMO called SWG! They gave the "community" EXACTLY what they wanted! You know what, the game sucked for the other 90% of players that loved the game as is, and never had a reason to go to the forums and complain.
WoW.. what planet are you from? 1) as a paying customer I have the right to voice my opinions on products and service.. 2) We all know for FACT this game was in development for 2 years, not the 4 or 5 you tried to inform us on.. 3) I played SWG from day 1 and the biggest reason SWG failed is because they didn't do ANYTHING the community wanted.. even the community reps for each proffession were often ignored..
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
The programmer remark was in reply to the "never seen before content as everything is premade". Content has to be made and programmed. As for 3d movement, saying it is NOT 3D movement is an out and out lie with the intent to mislead people.
Intent to mislead people. Ok Answer my question then. Can you twist, invert, flip, roll, and/or strafe with your battleships? If your answer is no you can't then who is misleading?
I can takea piece of paper and draw something 3-d doesn't mean its 3-D. This game is not 3-D. Some use of the Z-Axis does not make it 3-D sorry.
Originally posted by rygar218I can takea piece of paper and draw something 3-d doesn't mean its 3-D. This game is not 3-D. Some use of the Z-Axis does not make it 3-D sorry.
I disagree. The game is 3d all right. It does have some restrictions that are created by using an engine that was designed for more '2d' battles (Champions Online). It is 3d, but it is restricted 3d. Your point is akin to saying that a sheet of paper is not 3d because there is a circle in the middle where you can't draw. It is still 2d.
It is annoying? yes it is. It is a game breaker? nah.
Now, having a combat challenge the equivalent of fighting a snail with a sledge hammer... that is a game breaker to me, and the reason why I ultimately canceled my subscription. No challenge = no fun.
I loved the combat in the old 1980's game Elite.. Definitely 3d.. I miss that game, I wish someone could make that using current computer technology instead of the old floppy disc Commodore machines.. lol I was so happy to be able to buy my docking computer.. OMG.. LOL
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
The programmer remark was in reply to the "never seen before content as everything is premade". Content has to be made and programmed. As for 3d movement, saying it is NOT 3D movement is an out and out lie with the intent to mislead people.
Intent to mislead people. Ok Answer my question then. Can you twist, invert, flip, roll, and/or strafe with your battleships? If your answer is no you can't then who is misleading?
I can takea piece of paper and draw something 3-d doesn't mean its 3-D. This game is not 3-D. Some use of the Z-Axis does not make it 3-D sorry.
You actually believe your words here. If I can be "above" "below" "infront" "behind" "left" "right" of something then its 3 dimensional.
One important aspect you seem to have overlooked. Customers pay money, devs receive money. Dev threat customer like crap, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev. Customer scream at dev, (foolish) dev tell customer to stfu, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev.
Foolish to think that money does not matter, it does.
Yes of course, however in regard to what I said this is a straw mans argument.
People love to use the excuse their paying these dev's so they can treat them any way they want. Which is equal to a .44 magnum loaded with BS IMO.
What you're forgetting is the issue of anonymity on the internet, which people use to act like complete jerks (because they can). In a real life situation things are always different, if you want to get the service you're demanding anyway. You can't walk into a store and act in the manner some act on gaming forums, you'd be kicked out in two seconds flat. Regardless of whether you were unhappy with services rendered.
Respect is important to everyone, even those businesses trying to offer you a service. If you don't treat their employees with respect, they'd rather not have your business. That's the bottom line in life, no one likes a jerk, or an immature childish ass. Which is why businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, regardless of whether they paid or not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
One important aspect you seem to have overlooked. Customers pay money, devs receive money. Dev threat customer like crap, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev. Customer scream at dev, (foolish) dev tell customer to stfu, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev.
Foolish to think that money does not matter, it does.
Yes of course, however in regard to what I said this is a straw mans argument.
People love to use the excuse their paying these dev's so they can treat them any way they want. Which is equal to a .44 magnum loaded with BS IMO.
What you're forgetting is the issue of anonymity on the internet, which people use to act like complete jerks (because they can). In a real life situation things are always different, if you want to get the service you're demanding anyway. You can't walk into a store and act in the manner some act on gaming forums, you'd be kicked out in two seconds flat. Regardless of whether you were unhappy with services rendered.
Respect is important to everyone, even those businesses trying to offer you a service. If you don't treat their employees with respect, they'd rather not have your business. That's the bottom line in life, no one likes a jerk, or an immature childish ass. Which is why businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, regardless of whether they paid or not.
However, your whole premise is that the Dev did nothing wrong to merit complaints.. correct? When in real life if I have an inferior product or have been jipped out of my money for bad service I have recourse and witnesses most likely..From what I've seen so far, the Dev's do NOT have clean hands with much of the problems in the forums.. There hands are equally as dirty as the rude flamers.. I don't know many companies that sell products AS IS out the door.. if you bought something and take it home, and something was wrong with it.. bring it back for a refund less restocking cost (if that applies)..
Being this game is taking so much verbally.. Cryptic should DO the right thing.. OFFER 90% refunds on ALL purchases boxes.. Afterall,, it's not like you can play the game if you don't subscribe and each box has a product number.. IF Cryptic was truly a company that "CARES", they would do this..
However, your whole premise is that the Dev did nothing wrong to merit complaints.. correct? When in real life if I have an inferior product or have been jipped out of my money for bad service I have recourse and witnesses most likely..From what I've seen so far, the Dev's do NOT have clean hands with much of the problems in the forums.. There hands are equally as dirty as the rude flamers.. I don't know many companies that sell products AS IS out the door.. if you bought something and take it home, and something was wrong with it.. bring it back for a refund less restocking cost (if that applies)..
Being this game is taking so much verbally.. Cryptic should DO the right thing.. OFFER 90% refunds on ALL purchases boxes.. Afterall,, it's not like you can play the game if you don't subscribe and each box has a product number.. IF Cryptic was truly a company that "CARES", they would do this..
His statement isn't something I would read as warranting player outcry, so right you are.
Of course respect works both ways, and developers have been guilty of disrespecting customers in the past.
My post is about the acceptance of players treating devs however they want, regardless of the scenario. When developers take actions to thwart said actions, more players scream out that it's unprofessional, arrogant or just plain evil. With out realizing it's in the interest of better understanding each other.
There's no argument that there's not a disconnect between developers and players, we have a huge hand in that as a community. Whether you want to believe it or not. I'm only pointing out a way to better communicate with developers, and actually get something accomplished.
As for cryptic offering refunds, I doubt that will happen. Whether they should is for another debate.
Again I will reiterate, my post isn't about cryptic, or STO as much as it's about the overall MMO community.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't see anything wrong with trying to keep forum conversation to a civilised tone.I also don't see anything wrong with delaying a patch to make sure that the bugs are worked out. If the patch was released with problems, the same people whining over the delay would be whining that it was released with bugs.
Stated in that way i do not agree with what you say - but measured against the backdrop of a game that was rushed to retail in 2 years rather than getting the normal, and obviously needed, 4+ years of development it is a specious argument. It is awfully convenient to adopt the 'when it is done' approach only after you got people paying to play. Moreover, in a game as unfinished and hurting for content as STO it is ridiculous that the first 30 days will pass with little more than stability updates and some bug fixes.
Here's a good business lesson for everyone.If you can't deal with all types of customers either Hire someone who can to be a buffer between you and them or don't get into any industry involving retail or service EVER!
Here's a good business lesson for everyone.If you can't deal with all types of customers either Hire someone who can to be a buffer between you and them or don't get into any industry involving retail or service EVER!
The straw man called and said he doesn't want to be brought into this.
I don't say that to be rude, as I know what you're saying, however there's a line.
Acceptable: Quietly voicing a complaint to a manager, or service rep. While understanding they're dealing with multiple customers daily and trying to give them all the same level of service. Voice your concern in a constructive manner, while understanding that rep wants to help you and better your experience.
Unacceptable: Screaming out, ruining everyone's experience, insulting those who speak up trying to help you or give you information. Cursing in a public place without regard of those around you who may disagree with the use of such language, especially in an environment children may be present in.
It boils down to human decency and respect for other people, regardless of whether you yourself may not be having the best experience. Those who care about having dialogue with developers, want those developers to stick around and have a meaningful constructive conversation. They won't do that if it turns into a flame war or worse, posters who act in such a way ruin it for everyone, that's the true problem. Yet some seem to give them a pass on their behavior, simply because they paid some money. Well, so did everyone else.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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Imho he is right though. The forum is full of emo rage whining kids. Wether that emorage immature kid is right or not is besides the point, its still an emorage immature kid. And i also agree that someone should lay the smack down on them.
Its not a we, the customers, vs them, the company. Its about immature emorage kids that think they deserve someone groveling at their feet because they paid 50 bucks for a game. Nothing is better than constructive criticism, and i fully applaud everyone who voices his dissatisfaction in a civilized manner. But i, and probably many others dont really want to know what some emorage immature kid thinks about the devs heritage or if there where any goats involved.
I just dont care for personal attacks on devs who are just doing their job, 90% of the accusations leveled at the devs are probably totally out of their control. And no you dont have the right to bite their head of just cause they are the messanger. Thats just not decent behavior, and if you dont have decent behavior your dont get to complain about not being treated right in my book.
Edit: You obviously didnt see all the posts, cause the mods got to them first.
You must of failed to read the post right above you..... did you miss the " IF " word in Gozer's statement.. There was no attacking him or bile in the post.. Therefore there was NO reason for Gozer to start the pissing contest.. He wasn't defending his honor or being insulted directly by anyone..
I can just see Gozer working at Customer Service window at a store.. A person walks up holding a shirt (which most likely is being returned to store for refund).. Gozer doesn't say hello, how can I help you.. nope.. he says to customer, "If you are going to give me shit, im not going to help you"..... Let me say this very clear, that type of conduct ANYWHERE else besides an online forum would get you FIRED.. period.. on the spot..
To me what he said is no different to the notices you find in many places now that state the staff will NOT tolerate intimidating, violent behaviour when dealing with you. If you phone a company to complain and start ranting and being rather rude they will terminate your call. Just because you have paid money for something doesn't mean you can be an ass.
His warning is there because he, you and I all know exactly what forums are like. He simply pre-empted the inevitable mud slinging.
Yeah.. he pre-emptively started the mud slinging.. but hey.. why am I not shocked.. After just reading the "state of the game" thread I agree with many of the 300 post on the official boards saying that Mr Zn was out of line, rude and arrogant with his "you just don't get it" aimed at those that don't praise the game in it's current form
Pray tell me how this is rude or anything. Im pretty sure its 100% true. Some people really dont get it. Some people get it but dont like it. And others well like it, thats not rude thats being honest.
Edit: He didnt say you didnt get it, he said some dont get it, and some dont like it. Its your own decision which group you belong too.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
Pray tell me how this is rude or anything. Im pretty sure its 100% true. Some people really dont get it. Some people get it but dont like it. And others well like it, thats not rude thats being honest.
Edit: He didnt say you didnt get it, he said some dont get it, and some dont like it. Its your own decision which group you belong too.
I think we all know what is meant by "some don't get it".. What Mr Zn said in no spin of words was that there are 3 groups of people in STO.... 1) those that love it.. 2) those that don't like it.. and 3) those that are TOO STUPID to not get it"... I'm sorry, but I'm not born yesterday and I know exactly what Z intention was with his remark and it didn't go unnoticed .. What Zn did was imply that those that don't get it are "stupid".. Nice to see an executive of a company make such implications.. Amazing
Yep.
if you can create your own race why are they selling races on the market place?
Iconic races have a unique skill only available to that race. You can create your own alien race to 'look' like anything you want and you choose 4 skills for that race to have, but if you want a particular races 'unique' skill, you have to play that race, such as the ferengi or klingon, which are available from the store.
For example, the Joined Trill skill (improves space stats) is only available to the Joined Trill race, can't have a human or klingon with 'joined trill' as a skill...obviously.
So you want to play a klingon and not pay, just create an alien that looks like one, pick 4 skills you want and start playing a klingon for free; I seriously doubt you would ever miss the unique skill to that race.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
I thought I would respond to the pet controls comment. In the game I am playing, my pet has these options:
1) follow me around
2) stay here
3) attack my target
4) attack a different target
5) stay passive unless attacked, then retaliate
6) the pets also have several powers, so : use self heal
7) use the range debuff attack
8) use the melee attack
9) defend me, attack only if I am attacked (useful for when I am harvesting)
10) pet pathing, not a command, but an ability
I always try to play pet classes in RPG's, and some games have superior pets. Pet pathing is probably the most important thing, aside from powers. Some games have pets that snag on a blade of grass, other games have pets that can fly.
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Like every other whining MMO player you will realize that they are not arrogant. They simply are sick and tired of the community complaining about everything. I have seen so many MMO's runied by the "community" which on the forums usually consists of a bunch of aggorant whining people. Just because you pay to play the game gives you absolutely no right to dictate the content. If you do not like it , stop playing. Simple as that.
The fact you never realize is that you just started playing a game, the developers has spent about 4 - 5 years doing nothing but living and breathing the game. When you complain about some ability, choice, quest, etc.. They have already had meetings, discussions, graphs and a complete analysis on how it fits into the game. You on the other hand, go to the forums and start complaining and whining because he has X and you want that ability!
Ever heard of an MMO called SWG! They gave the "community" EXACTLY what they wanted! You know what, the game sucked for the other 90% of players that loved the game as is, and never had a reason to go to the forums and complain.
Yep.
if you can create your own race why are they selling races on the market place?
Iconic races have a unique skill only available to that race. You can create your own alien race to 'look' like anything you want and you choose 4 skills for that race to have, but if you want a particular races 'unique' skill, you have to play that race, such as the ferengi or klingon, which are available from the store.
For example, the Joined Trill skill (improves space stats) is only available to the Joined Trill race, can't have a human or klingon with 'joined trill' as a skill...obviously.
So you want to play a klingon and not pay, just create an alien that looks like one, pick 4 skills you want and start playing a klingon for free; I seriously doubt you would ever miss the unique skill to that race.
It's a little bit more than that. When you create a generic 'alien' you have a lot of options, but those are 'generic' options. When you create a specific race, you have customization options specific to that race. So, for example, creating a 'generic' klingon you get a choice of a few predetermined forehead ridges, while if you create a 'real' klingon, you get customization options specific to klingons.
But again, it's all just cosmetic. You can create a klingon without spending any cryptic points, but if you want to create a specific image of a klingon you have in mind, you'll probably need to buy the 'race' with cryptic points.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
The programmer remark was in reply to the "never seen before content as everything is premade". Content has to be made and programmed. As for 3d movement, saying it is NOT 3D movement is an out and out lie with the intent to mislead people.
This thread should have been called the "Whiners Club". Many of the posts are from people who obviously have never worked in a public service job (or a job) in their lives.
If YOU were on the other end of these comments what would you be writting back? If you think these comments from one person are bad, you should hear some of the comments between employees. "Hey guys, take a look at this jerk! Good thing the internet is anonymous. If I knew this A-Hole I would beat the H-ll out of them." (and other such ideas)
Personally I think the users on the net should all be registered. It would get polite quickly.
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
In Star Trek Online, the Star Trek universe will appear for the first time on a truly massive scale.
Total falsehood. Massive scale? You can go from Earth to the four corners of the ST Universe in a matter of a few minutes, load time included.
This is an opinion not a fact. Because we all have a different opinion of what 'truly massive' means. It is debated on these forums every day. Please, pick a fact and not an advertising sell point.
In this massively multiplayer online game from Cryptic Studios, players can pioneer their own destiny as Captain of a Federation starship. Or, they can become a Klingon Warlord and expand the Empire to the far reaches of the galaxy.
Slight hyperbole. There is no Empire building or expanding or any way to affect the world (i.e. the maps pretending to be a world) in any way.
In this timeline, Klingons are building and expanding their empire, and the battles klingons fight is for that purpose. I don't see a lie here, if you could actually control and take over territory, they would have stated that clearly. Another advert line, not a "LIE". See how advertisers leave things subjective on purpose?
Players will have the opportunity to visit iconic locations from the popular Star Trek fiction, reach out to unexplored star systems, and make contact with new alien species. With Episode Missions, every moment spent playing Star Trek Online will feel like a new Star Trek episode in which you are the star.
Falsehood. Contant with new species? This is not in the game, certianly not in any meaningful way unless you are just counting that faces on mission text or NPCs can take any form.
I just did a quest to 'contact a new species'. I did one yesterday, and the day before. This isn't a lie.
Explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations in a vast, expanding universe.
Falsehood. Again, no expanding universe or even a persistent universe - just some small static maps joined by tons of loading screens. No new worlds, just small maps pretending to be a world and civilizations? I have yet to see a single map, ground or otherwise, I could cross in a matter of a couple minutes - there is no civilization or vast world here.
Again, you are disagreeing with their concept of new life, new civs and expanding universe, just because you have a different opinion than the devs, doesn't mean they lied to you.
Establish contact with new races, discover resources and uncover mysteries that will influence Star Trek's future. In 2409, Star Trek Online exists in a timeframe beyond even the latest movies, so everything you experience will be brand new, but still based on all the fiction you love.
Falsehood. Contant new races. again total BS. Discover resources? Not in the game.
Again, I contacted new races every day for the last 3 days, what are you talking about? I also scanned many anomolies and discovered new resources....what exactly is total b.s.? Did you play this game at all?
Star Trek Online will be the first AAA MMO to feature space and ground combat at launch.
Meaningless. How many space MMOs are there even? And as far as an AAA MMO, I think few objective people would even call this an MMO , let alone an AAA MMO.
Not a lie. It is the first aaa mmo to feature space and ground combat at launch. This is true.
Missions will take you and your friends into the depths of space, across exotic planets, and even inside starships! As the Captain of your very own ship, it's up to you to lead your crew on missions that span a number of locations. You call the shots, no matter where you are.
Misleading at best. Across exotic planets? If that means a map no bigger than most FPS games then I suppose that counts, but I hardly think of exploring the depths of space and exotic planets means loading to maps so small you can run across them in a minute or two.
So you your definition of 'exotic planet' = a large map bigger than most fps games and no loading screens.....you're definition is all messed up, i'd research bot the words 'exotic' and 'planet' and then tell me if this is a lie. I'd love to see you argue this point in court though.
plaintiff: They said I'd explore exotic planets!
judge: you don't?
plaintiff: the maps are small with loading screens
judge: case dismissed.
When you're in space, you direct the action - be it in the middle of a high-tension battle, where you can maneuver in 3-D space and fire a vast array of weaponry at your enemies, or as you enter warp to explore parts of the galaxy never before documented.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Are you high? None of what YOU said is true or even reasonable. 'Everything is premade' - LOL. Yeah, I thought they had developed a magic computer that wrote content as you played...I thought I would be the first to discover content and maps the developers didn't know about! I'm sorry.....LOL again.
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
So they lied or it wasn't what you expected?
Total customization
Using Cryptic’s Total Customization technology, every ship you command can be customized by you, from its color to its construction.
Exageration. You get customization for sure, but within very limited framework especially in terms of ships. Character creator is good, no doubt about that but beyond the character creator the customization options are pretty limited and certainly far from 'total customization'.
You customized one newbie ship. Don't pretend like you know any more than the limitations on your 'starter gear'.
Your ship will retain a Star Trek "feel," but it will also represent your style. What’s more, anyone can create their own species in Star Trek Online, meaning you can tell your own story about how you came to be in the galaxy. Leave your mark on the Star Trek universe!
True and false. You can make your own character look and even species within the character creator but the rest is totally false. You have no way to tell your own story unless they are claiming the text field in a character bio as a game feature. And there is no way to leave a mark on the STO universe as the universe is static and non persistence and fully instanced.
You absolutely have a bio section on character creation where you can 'tell your own story'. This is not a lie, just not what you expected.
Built by veterans with you in mind
Please. They had their deadline, their bottom line in mind - not gamers.
opinion.
Star Trek Online is being developed by Cryptic Studios, creators of the massively successful City of Heroes and City of Villains. It’s built on the Cryptic Engine, a core technology that means our designers can focus less on a game’s nuts and bolts and more on creating a game that captures Star Trek’s essence, guaranteeing that both longtime fans of Star Trek and people new to the universe will feel at home.
Telling. Funny how they left out Champions Online from that, especially since this game is nearly the same in terms of its lack of content, lack of polish, simplistic design, no persistent world, and overall unfinished state.
And the lie is where....?
Join us in Star Trek Online, and boldly go where no one has gone before!
LOL. As long as that place you boldly want to go is an instance we have crafted for you and you have a mission you hold that allows you to enter that area (that is right, save a few areas you can only enter systems and planets you have active missions for).
So, this isn't a lie. To have instances does not negate 'boldly going....' Your argument is very weak.
Oh I can't go on. You are so wrong at every level. I suggest you take some lessons on fact vs. opinion, truth in advertising and perhaps some simple logic excercises.
Everything you call a "LIE" is really just a feature that didn't meet your expectations. Because you have a different opinion about what those features should look like or play like., doesn't mean they don't exist.
I refer to my tagline:
"Who did wrong? the advertiser hired to sell the game, or the consumer who put faith in advertising?"
You put your faith in advertising. Keep doing it and you will be burned at every purchase.
Amen brother. It's hilarious to me, having been in the service industry for many, many years, and reading a lot of the posts on here. One word springs to mind that I think fits such topics quite well... Ignorance.
For those jackalopes who think the world revolves around them.. well it doesn't. And what's more, I guarantee you the CSRs at Cryptic, just like at any other company, talk smack about you between themselves when you act a jerk. I know I would.
I think registering everyone on the net is a great idea just for that very reason. Back in the day me and my buddies used to frequent certain chat rooms where true IP's were displayed beside every users name, registered or not. It was mindblowing how many trolls changed their tune real quick when I ran a traceroute on their IP's and told them I knew where they lived.
EDIT: Looking at the complaining on those forums, I would stop going there too.
Like every other whining MMO player you will realize that they are not arrogant. They simply are sick and tired of the community complaining about everything. I have seen so many MMO's runied by the "community" which on the forums usually consists of a bunch of aggorant whining people. Just because you pay to play the game gives you absolutely no right to dictate the content. If you do not like it , stop playing. Simple as that.
The fact you never realize is that you just started playing a game, the developers has spent about 4 - 5 years doing nothing but living and breathing the game. When you complain about some ability, choice, quest, etc.. They have already had meetings, discussions, graphs and a complete analysis on how it fits into the game. You on the other hand, go to the forums and start complaining and whining because he has X and you want that ability!
Ever heard of an MMO called SWG! They gave the "community" EXACTLY what they wanted! You know what, the game sucked for the other 90% of players that loved the game as is, and never had a reason to go to the forums and complain.
WoW.. what planet are you from? 1) as a paying customer I have the right to voice my opinions on products and service.. 2) We all know for FACT this game was in development for 2 years, not the 4 or 5 you tried to inform us on.. 3) I played SWG from day 1 and the biggest reason SWG failed is because they didn't do ANYTHING the community wanted.. even the community reps for each proffession were often ignored..
Next time come back with some honest facts
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
The programmer remark was in reply to the "never seen before content as everything is premade". Content has to be made and programmed. As for 3d movement, saying it is NOT 3D movement is an out and out lie with the intent to mislead people.
Intent to mislead people. Ok Answer my question then. Can you twist, invert, flip, roll, and/or strafe with your battleships? If your answer is no you can't then who is misleading?
I can takea piece of paper and draw something 3-d doesn't mean its 3-D. This game is not 3-D. Some use of the Z-Axis does not make it 3-D sorry.
I disagree. The game is 3d all right. It does have some restrictions that are created by using an engine that was designed for more '2d' battles (Champions Online). It is 3d, but it is restricted 3d. Your point is akin to saying that a sheet of paper is not 3d because there is a circle in the middle where you can't draw. It is still 2d.
It is annoying? yes it is. It is a game breaker? nah.
Now, having a combat challenge the equivalent of fighting a snail with a sledge hammer... that is a game breaker to me, and the reason why I ultimately canceled my subscription. No challenge = no fun.
I loved the combat in the old 1980's game Elite.. Definitely 3d.. I miss that game, I wish someone could make that using current computer technology instead of the old floppy disc Commodore machines.. lol I was so happy to be able to buy my docking computer.. OMG.. LOL
I am interested in what promises they have broken....please highlight them for me.
False and misleading. There is no 3D space movement, you move in STO on two planes, the Z axis is extremely limited in movement.And exploring never before documented parts of space? Not even close - everything is pre made, pre scripted, linear and very non sandbox - there is no open world to explore, space or ground.
Why do people have to tell lies. There is 3D movement, the only limitation is the pitch of the Z axis. You can still "climb" and "descend"
Pre-made? Err yes it would have to be to some extent, or did you expect to actually experience something unique that no other person, programmer has?
On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales?
Hyperbole and overstatement. BOFFs are 'controlable' but hardly in "any manner you choose" - they have a follow mode, a don't fire mode, and a stand here mode - that is about it. Most MMOs I have played afford far, far, far more 'control' over pets.
What sort of extra "control" ?
Just asking.
Ummm hes not lying..... What do you call 3-d movement in space is not 3-d movement in space. You can't have ships go inverted or do reverse G. What are you talkin about no other programmer? There are plenty and I mean plenty of flight sims out there that will let you fly inverted fly upside down. For god sakes look at Return of the Jedi on "SUPER NINTENDO" you got huge ship battle at the battle of endor and you take Falcon upside down inverted round and round. PLz don't say programmers cant do it.
Now in space there is no upside down per se its more or less they appear upside down to you. This game doesn't even give you the option so what hes saying is True. And don't make it out like we can't do it cause thats a load of garbage.
The programmer remark was in reply to the "never seen before content as everything is premade". Content has to be made and programmed. As for 3d movement, saying it is NOT 3D movement is an out and out lie with the intent to mislead people.
Intent to mislead people. Ok Answer my question then. Can you twist, invert, flip, roll, and/or strafe with your battleships? If your answer is no you can't then who is misleading?
I can takea piece of paper and draw something 3-d doesn't mean its 3-D. This game is not 3-D. Some use of the Z-Axis does not make it 3-D sorry.
You actually believe your words here. If I can be "above" "below" "infront" "behind" "left" "right" of something then its 3 dimensional.
One important aspect you seem to have overlooked. Customers pay money, devs receive money. Dev threat customer like crap, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev. Customer scream at dev, (foolish) dev tell customer to stfu, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev.
Foolish to think that money does not matter, it does.
Yes of course, however in regard to what I said this is a straw mans argument.
People love to use the excuse their paying these dev's so they can treat them any way they want. Which is equal to a .44 magnum loaded with BS IMO.
What you're forgetting is the issue of anonymity on the internet, which people use to act like complete jerks (because they can). In a real life situation things are always different, if you want to get the service you're demanding anyway. You can't walk into a store and act in the manner some act on gaming forums, you'd be kicked out in two seconds flat. Regardless of whether you were unhappy with services rendered.
Respect is important to everyone, even those businesses trying to offer you a service. If you don't treat their employees with respect, they'd rather not have your business. That's the bottom line in life, no one likes a jerk, or an immature childish ass. Which is why businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, regardless of whether they paid or not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
One important aspect you seem to have overlooked. Customers pay money, devs receive money. Dev threat customer like crap, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev. Customer scream at dev, (foolish) dev tell customer to stfu, customer quit game and no longer give money to dev.
Foolish to think that money does not matter, it does.
Yes of course, however in regard to what I said this is a straw mans argument.
People love to use the excuse their paying these dev's so they can treat them any way they want. Which is equal to a .44 magnum loaded with BS IMO.
What you're forgetting is the issue of anonymity on the internet, which people use to act like complete jerks (because they can). In a real life situation things are always different, if you want to get the service you're demanding anyway. You can't walk into a store and act in the manner some act on gaming forums, you'd be kicked out in two seconds flat. Regardless of whether you were unhappy with services rendered.
Respect is important to everyone, even those businesses trying to offer you a service. If you don't treat their employees with respect, they'd rather not have your business. That's the bottom line in life, no one likes a jerk, or an immature childish ass. Which is why businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, regardless of whether they paid or not.
However, your whole premise is that the Dev did nothing wrong to merit complaints.. correct? When in real life if I have an inferior product or have been jipped out of my money for bad service I have recourse and witnesses most likely..From what I've seen so far, the Dev's do NOT have clean hands with much of the problems in the forums.. There hands are equally as dirty as the rude flamers.. I don't know many companies that sell products AS IS out the door.. if you bought something and take it home, and something was wrong with it.. bring it back for a refund less restocking cost (if that applies)..
Being this game is taking so much verbally.. Cryptic should DO the right thing.. OFFER 90% refunds on ALL purchases boxes.. Afterall,, it's not like you can play the game if you don't subscribe and each box has a product number.. IF Cryptic was truly a company that "CARES", they would do this..
However, your whole premise is that the Dev did nothing wrong to merit complaints.. correct? When in real life if I have an inferior product or have been jipped out of my money for bad service I have recourse and witnesses most likely..From what I've seen so far, the Dev's do NOT have clean hands with much of the problems in the forums.. There hands are equally as dirty as the rude flamers.. I don't know many companies that sell products AS IS out the door.. if you bought something and take it home, and something was wrong with it.. bring it back for a refund less restocking cost (if that applies)..
Being this game is taking so much verbally.. Cryptic should DO the right thing.. OFFER 90% refunds on ALL purchases boxes.. Afterall,, it's not like you can play the game if you don't subscribe and each box has a product number.. IF Cryptic was truly a company that "CARES", they would do this..
His statement isn't something I would read as warranting player outcry, so right you are.
Of course respect works both ways, and developers have been guilty of disrespecting customers in the past.
My post is about the acceptance of players treating devs however they want, regardless of the scenario. When developers take actions to thwart said actions, more players scream out that it's unprofessional, arrogant or just plain evil. With out realizing it's in the interest of better understanding each other.
There's no argument that there's not a disconnect between developers and players, we have a huge hand in that as a community. Whether you want to believe it or not. I'm only pointing out a way to better communicate with developers, and actually get something accomplished.
As for cryptic offering refunds, I doubt that will happen. Whether they should is for another debate.
Again I will reiterate, my post isn't about cryptic, or STO as much as it's about the overall MMO community.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Stated in that way i do not agree with what you say - but measured against the backdrop of a game that was rushed to retail in 2 years rather than getting the normal, and obviously needed, 4+ years of development it is a specious argument. It is awfully convenient to adopt the 'when it is done' approach only after you got people paying to play. Moreover, in a game as unfinished and hurting for content as STO it is ridiculous that the first 30 days will pass with little more than stability updates and some bug fixes.
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Here's a good business lesson for everyone.If you can't deal with all types of customers either Hire someone who can to be a buffer between you and them or don't get into any industry involving retail or service EVER!
The straw man called and said he doesn't want to be brought into this.
I don't say that to be rude, as I know what you're saying, however there's a line.
Acceptable: Quietly voicing a complaint to a manager, or service rep. While understanding they're dealing with multiple customers daily and trying to give them all the same level of service. Voice your concern in a constructive manner, while understanding that rep wants to help you and better your experience.
Unacceptable: Screaming out, ruining everyone's experience, insulting those who speak up trying to help you or give you information. Cursing in a public place without regard of those around you who may disagree with the use of such language, especially in an environment children may be present in.
It boils down to human decency and respect for other people, regardless of whether you yourself may not be having the best experience. Those who care about having dialogue with developers, want those developers to stick around and have a meaningful constructive conversation. They won't do that if it turns into a flame war or worse, posters who act in such a way ruin it for everyone, that's the true problem. Yet some seem to give them a pass on their behavior, simply because they paid some money. Well, so did everyone else.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson