I never saw this regurgitation coming from a thousand miles out... I promise. LOL
Hehehe....sorry, man...but it's true.
I've been in a bunch of clans, man....a lot of them couldn't even defend their own cities. Some had so few people active, that reds could roll right through and help themselves, and smash the bank while they were at it.
Finding a good strong clan, with a lot of active members, which is also part of a strong alliance, makes a HUGE difference.
And yes, many of them DO take new players.
You could progress more in a week than you would in a month solo.....no shit there, man.
I readed the whole thread.
I have to agree with that because DF had always been expected to be about zerg. So join a zerg clan to protect your self. I kind of agree with you guys denying the OP by asking him to join a clan(In other words, a zerg clan) Check out the 17 minutes trailer. Every part of the video, even pve, you see zerg everywhere.
So before you start darkfall, make sure to know that darkfall is about zerg clan. So join one instead of whining about the grind in game. But in an other side, even if you do join a clan, the grind is still huge and there is still no way to catch up whitout macroing. So again, AV still have to balance those stuff to make us being about to compete. There is no cap, but specialization is nothing more. So AV have to either fix the specialization or add a cap and decay.
And again, a newb that join a zerg clan, wich member will want to help him out? How many? The new clan allow you to stay for 1 month. After 1 months, no more zerg companion for you. You can join a clan, but again, who will babaysit you while you kill goblin, kobols or trolls?
Like ppl suggested in the official DF forum, make stats grind being faster from 10 to 50 for all attribute. After that, it should be harsher, but not too harsh. It should still be possible to catch up a vet from EU server who macroed since launch.
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
Until he gives us his character's name (been asked before), an ss of his billing, or a vid of playing darkfall I won't believe he plays darkfall. The mob AI and PvE in general is not enough to keep a PvE centric player playing the game for long
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
Well, I hope you have fun in MO. It's true there is a PVE grind in Darkfall and I don't think anyone is really denying that. If you really hate PVEing mobs and the only thing you want to do is high-end PVP, then Darkfall probably isn't for you.
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
Too bad the following the MO is completely fail
Combat System (its gettng completely redone)
Territory control system
Red stat loss attached to the terriotry control system
Stability
Content for people who don't care about housing or crafting
Oh, and if you want to change "builds" in MO at launch you'll either have to 1) create a new character , 2) reroll, or 3) untrain skills to learn new ones. Its not as easy as you say it is.
Also, the grind to get to 300 HP, if you do afk swimming, craft some, harvest some isn't that bad. However, for people who just want to PvP level, its terrible because you are forced to PvE. However, MO pretty much forces you PvE to level as well due to all the unesscarily harsh consequences on PvPing on your terms, the difference is that because of a skill cap you are forced to focus train where as in darkfall you aren't which means a lot of people getting overwhelemed and think they need everything. If people focused trained more in DFO like people do in EvE there wouldn't be as much QQ about the grind as there currently is. There is grind in DFO, but not everything in DFO is a grind.
The only games that allow you to PvP to level are WAR, GW, and Global Agenda
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
Well, I hope you have fun in MO. It's true there is a PVE grind in Darkfall and I don't think anyone is really denying that. If you really hate PVEing mobs and the only thing you want to do is high-end PVP, then Darkfall probably isn't for you.
Then explain why MO is for me? We can do anything in MO including pve that is not a grind.
Ok i see. If you want DF to be for you, you have to take DF as a PVE game primary and then, you can enjoy pvp afterward(After 300 hp to parcipate in war and 10 months to compete one on one vs the vets) I see, its not for me. So the OP is 100% right. This is the kind of truth i was looking for and the newb wear looking for before they paid 50 dollars. Thx AV for the 1 dollars deal, but will it work to bring more players to make them stay?
So stop telling that the OP is a troll, or either not play the game or eihter play it the wrong way. (Swish!) He speakin' the facts,It's Deeper Than Rap, Paid off by the environment And he did it 4 weeks in the trap.
The ultimate hardcore revolutionary PvP game that took 10 years to develop is actually one of the worst PvE grind games with only end game PvP content, oh the delicious irony and the final insult to anyone who supported this game hoping it would actually be anything like what was promised.
I can understand why so many people spent years defending this games developers for all their abysmal faults and making increasingly elaborate excuses for all there failings because there was always the small chance that they might actually pull it of or maybe some of it, but to see some of the same people now going so low as to be supporting Darkfalls PvE based gameplay is incredible.
Darkfall is a PvE MMO, just think about that for a minute.
Darkfall is primarily about grinding stats and resources from PvE gameplay.
You can only participate competitively in the PvP aspects of the game after grinding the required amount of PvE content.
In this so called PvP sandbox game about freedom you are obligated to first endure months of PvE grinding and you are required to join a "good" clan and meet any other number of criteria stated before you can start playing with the sand without getting your face repeatedly stomped into it.
There are no hackers
Servers have a healthy and growing population
Games a sandbox
Join a (good) guild
There is no PvE grind.
Game is awesome best ever
Did I miss anything?
Oh yes anyone still playing this game who has themselves endured this painful PvE experience and has high stats should continue to inform prospective new players that there is no grind and stats don't matter and that they are at fault for everything.
To add insult to injury there are currently and have been many other MMO's on the market that have offered much more accessible and rewarding PvP gameplay options without the stupendous PvE grind requirements that this so called premier PvP game requires, there are even (shock horror) some that don't require any grind whatsoever.
Why would anyone actually interested in PvP play Darkfall?.
Most of the people I see now defending the game actually seem more interested in preserving the advantage they have gained from grinding stats on mobs or misleading new players into thinking they can be competitive without doing so.
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The mob AI and PvE in general is not enough to keep a PvE centric player playing the game for long
This...this Xipher....this....
And some still wonders why Darkfall failed. I have been Screaming this for nine months and I`m the stupid one. Aventurine manage to alienate the entire mmo community, and I find it amazing a company would do such a thing. I would love to be in the room when they did their brainstorming.
-The first players they pushed away were the pveers. The aligment system and no safezone drove those players away faster than a fat kid at a cake buffet.
-The next player group that left were the casual pvpers. They fast realized they would never could catch up in the terrorizing grind race.
-The chat system made us lose all the role players.
-The crafters left when all could make their own stuff.
-The hardcore pvpers left after grinding 15000 boring mobs.
-And now the super-hardcore no-lifer pvper are starting to leave for lack of players and fun.
Maybe NA1 is filled with players and have sieges and large battles everyday, but the pvp on EU1 are smaller than a counter-strike match. If a group can field 20 players, they are a zerg.
We are left with no-lifers like myself, "mr I can play DF 12-16 hours Agricola", "I don`t kill mobs for gain, I abuse the hivequeen Xipher", "I have killed more than 700 goblins Holdenhamlet" and "mr I abused all mobs I could and macroing was allowed when I started."
If Aventurine want to have a game in a few months, they need to focus on what segment of the marked they want. I just hope they chose to focus on the casual full-loot pvp marked, and not the hardcore PVE marked we have now.
I originally estimated that I would have to kill roughly 10,000 mobs before I would have a competitive chance at PVP but I think I may only need to kill about 9,000. About once a day I will die to a Red Player while at a PVE spot and when I die its still an absolute slaughter even after 4,217 PVE kills under my belt. I'm always left with the same thoughts, man that player sure did A LOT of PVE. I've only been grinding for 4 weeks and I've been hitting it pretty hard but man oh man do I have a long way to go before I can give a PVE maxed out Red Player a run. So, I really only have about 4,800+ PVE kills to go which i keep telling myself isn't that bad but it is starting to wear on me a little I must admit. My advice to new players is take frequent breaks and avoid burnout. Try not to focus on the entire 9,000 PVE kills and focus on the next mob and the one after etc.
You guys are getting boring.
Go play COD, you don't need to grind anything and you are competitive as soon as you log in
I originally estimated that I would have to kill roughly 10,000 mobs before I would have a competitive chance at PVP but I think I may only need to kill about 9,000. About once a day I will die to a Red Player while at a PVE spot and when I die its still an absolute slaughter even after 4,217 PVE kills under my belt. I'm always left with the same thoughts, man that player sure did A LOT of PVE. I've only been grinding for 4 weeks and I've been hitting it pretty hard but man oh man do I have a long way to go before I can give a PVE maxed out Red Player a run. So, I really only have about 4,800+ PVE kills to go which i keep telling myself isn't that bad but it is starting to wear on me a little I must admit. My advice to new players is take frequent breaks and avoid burnout. Try not to focus on the entire 9,000 PVE kills and focus on the next mob and the one after etc.
You guys are getting boring.
Go play COD, you don't need to grind anything and you are competitive as soon as you log in
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AV have to stay focus on a niche audience. Currently, they try to be like wow. Appealing to all kind of gamers to bring all kind of different play style. What they have to do, focusing on one audience. If they want to be pve, they have to add more safe option in game. IF they want a pvp old school from UO audience, they have to keep it the way it is, reduce the grind so anyone have a chance, fix the damn chat system so players can interact easily and to fix the politic, you either have to add a cap so players can be different or fix the specialization system.
OP did you not gather anything from the your last 220 post thread about this exact same issue? Many people explained to you what you were/are doing wrong. Enough with this crap, you've been reported.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
Until he gives us his character's name (been asked before), an ss of his billing, or a vid of playing darkfall I won't believe he plays darkfall. The mob AI and PvE in general is not enough to keep a PvE centric player playing the game for long
What does it matter if he/she plays or not? Its quite clear that many share the same viewpoint, while the same 5 people attempt damage control. What makes you think you know exactly what reasons every person plays the game for? I thought it was a sandbox game?
So I tried joining many different clans, many didn't work mostly because I would get killed in town repeatedly by people wardec'ing. How does that even happen in a PVE game? Crazy!
It was even worse in WoW. I still remember level 60 troll rogues killing me in the starting towns... Thankfully darkfall lets you prevent this simply by not being part of a clan.
Did it happen every day in WoW? No. Did it force you to leave the city? No. Don't lie and imply WoW has hardcore PVP like Darkfall.
That is one of the cooler parts of WoW that people can do that, though. Unfortunately, there is almost no incentive to do it, unlike this game where you can take the other person's stuff, or once you get stronger, take their fortress.
It's impossible to avoid this in WoW, and it was quite common and very debilitating. Actually once I was max level thats pretty much all I did. Darkfall is softer and allows you to completely avoid this simply be not being in a clan, so I dont see how its any more "hardcore" (which is really just another one of those buzzwords that darkfall players love to throw around).
Oh yeah, you're right. WoW has hardcore PVP because a rogue ganked you twice in a city.
Most people have played WoW on a PVP server and know it's not hardcore PVP, so you're going to have to come up with some other way to troll these boards.
Can you define "hardcore"? Its pretty much just a buzzword thats thrown around while talking about darkfall because the players think its cool to play a "hardcore" game. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean what you think it means.
The ultimate hardcore revolutionary PvP game that took 10 years to develop is actually one of the worst PvE grind games with only end game PvP content, oh the delicious irony and the final insult to anyone who supported this game hoping it would actually be anything like what was promised.
I can understand why so many people spent years defending this games developers for all their abysmal faults and making increasingly elaborate excuses for all there failings because there was always the small chance that they might actually pull it of or maybe some of it, but to see some of the same people now going so low as to be supporting Darkfalls PvE based gameplay is incredible.
Darkfall is a PvE MMO, just think about that for a minute.
Darkfall is primarily about grinding stats and resources from PvE gameplay.
You can only participate competitively in the PvP aspects of the game after grinding the required amount of PvE content.
In this so called PvP sandbox game about freedom you are obligated to first endure months of PvE grinding and you are required to join a "good" clan and meet any other number of criteria stated before you can start playing with the sand without getting your face repeatedly stomped into it.
Oh yes anyone still playing this game who has themselves endured this painful PvE experience and has high stats should continue to inform prospective new players that there is no grind and stats don't matter and that they are at fault for everything.
To add insult to injury there are currently and have been many other MMO's on the market that have offered much more accessible and rewarding PvP gameplay options without the stupendous PvE grind requirements that this so called premier PvP game requires, there are even (shock horror) some that don't require any grind whatsoever.
Why would anyone actually interested in PvP play Darkfall?.
Most of the people I see now defending the game actually seem more interested in preserving the advantage they have gained from grinding stats on mobs or misleading new players into thinking they can be competitive without doing so.
I have to agree with pretty much everything you said. The first and last sentences are the key here. Die-hard supporters are the ones who signed up to the game's official forums years ahead of its release raving about how awesome its going to be and watched it deteriorate from what was originally offered, yet still support the game in its current state. They will always defend the game no matter how bad it gets because they spent so long raving about it and justifying every single negative aspect of the game. The same mentality applies to those that you mentioned in your final sentence. They are trying to defend their investment more than the actual game.
Originally posted by Polarization
There are no hackers
Servers have a healthy and growing population
Games a sandbox
Join a (good) guild
There is no PvE grind.
Game is awesome best ever
Did I miss anything?
This is a perfect example of some of the things I mentioned. If you get tricked into thinking that there isnt a huge PvE grind, and manage to join a "good" guild and all of the other requirements that have been mentioned in these forums that are required for the game to be "playable" yet aren't necessary, then you can enjoy the game. This doesn't sound like a sandbox game to me. One of my favorite things to see after I read all the "DARKFALL IS SANDBOX!!!" is someone listing a requirement for the game to be playable. "Join a clan!" Not enough! "Join a GOOD clan!" "Dont kill XXX mob, you have to kill XYZ mob!" "Dont level XXX skills, level XYZ skills!" ETC, ETC..
Also love how they say the game is at a healthy population. For the size of the world the population is tiny. I'm lucky If i see 2 different people in the towns that I frequent, and they aren't starter towns either. Those are worse usually. I have never had to even share a mob spawn with another player (or fight over it) since I started playing the game, including goblins, and I have almost 5k PvE kills. If you are liberal with it and say that there are 3,000 active subs to darkfall, what are you comparing with to say the game is healthy? Dark age of camelot probably has more than 3k subs, and its old.
If you never fight or meet someone at a mob spawn, you MUST live on Mirrorsea (a 15 minute swim from and to any part of mainland/subcontinent).
If you want to do some serious damage in the game, then YES it is necessary to train/grind your preferred skill up to a reasonable level (leveling a skill on mobs makes the leveling part a lot faster; DF stays a MMO after all). The PvE is not mindless as in: mobs have several strengths and weaknessess and it's up to the player to take advantage of a weakness (kill mob faster with less reagents/arrows spent). Or the player decides he does not want a profit at all and only cares about skilling up, in this case he can try a mob that is very good protected against that kind of dmg (resulting in a very low dmg per hit, but just high enough to give you skillup and therefore makes it possible to grind your skill up in no time).
A last note, YES this game is not perfect (not perfect yet ). But the population since the last expansion and the trial offer has severely increased, and I believe it will be doing so for a long while. Darkfall is a one-of-a-kind hardcore PvP Sandbox experience, giving a big wink to it's succesfull ancestor UO. As long as they keep updating/expanding on the universe of Agon I see nothing but a prosperous future. Get into the game now before the masses do, and enjoy the life called Darkfall.
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Ultima Online has been around for a decade. Darkfall just passed it's first birthday, what do you expect?
And my answer to your short-sighted post is already given (just below the part you quoted which you intentionally left out): "As long as they keep updating/expanding on the universe of Agon I see nothing but a prosperous future."
If you never fight or meet someone at a mob spawn, you MUST live on Mirrorsea (a 15 minute swim from and to any part of mainland/subcontinent).
If you want to do some serious damage in the game, then YES it is necessary to train/grind your preferred skill up to a reasonable level (leveling a skill on mobs makes the leveling part a lot faster; DF stays a MMO after all). The PvE is not mindless as in: mobs have several strengths and weaknessess and it's up to the player to take advantage of a weakness (kill mob faster with less reagents/arrows spent). Or the player decides he does not want a profit at all and only cares about skilling up, in this case he can try a mob that is very good protected against that kind of dmg (resulting in a very low dmg per hit, but just high enough to give you skillup and therefore makes it possible to grind your skill up in no time).
A last note, YES this game is not perfect (not perfect yet ). But the population since the last expansion and the trial offer has severely increased, and I believe it will be doing so for a long while. Darkfall is a one-of-a-kind hardcore PvP Sandbox experience, giving a big wink to it's succesfull ancestor UO. As long as they keep updating/expanding on the universe of Agon I see nothing but a prosperous future. Get into the game now before the masses do, and enjoy the life called Darkfall.
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I don't know what mirrorsea is I spend some of my time in ork towns. I also don't know what you mean when you say darkfall is one of a kind hardcore PvP sandbox experience. It's just open-world PvP. I don't know what hardcore means either. And it's definitely not a sandbox game, like I said, it's just open-world PvP.
I went from Darkfall EU to Global Agenda, and am now back in Darkfall US.
They are essentially polar opposites in terms of pvp philosophy - In GA I can compete very quickly in fast paced adrenaline packed combat, in DF I am now a total noob getting raped at goblin spawns with likely 2 months of intensive gamplay ahead of me to develop a semi-decent build.
I guess I am enjoying darkfall even though the pace is slow because there is a certain sense of accomplishment that I can work towards and the pvp is more meaningful because there is something to lose.
It would be nice if I could catch up more quickly in DF, but its not like there aern't other games out there that satisy this. Once I get bored of those, which is usually quite quickly because the pvp is essentially meaningles and shallow, then I head back to darkfall where I will get owned for a while, but at least have something to work towards.
I will continue to hope that one day there will be a game that combines both aspects, basically intensive, meaningful pvp that is based on mainly player skill and not grinded skills. So far the only game that has really achieved this is Planetside.
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I never saw this regurgitation coming from a thousand miles out... I promise. LOL
Hehehe....sorry, man...but it's true.
I've been in a bunch of clans, man....a lot of them couldn't even defend their own cities. Some had so few people active, that reds could roll right through and help themselves, and smash the bank while they were at it.
Finding a good strong clan, with a lot of active members, which is also part of a strong alliance, makes a HUGE difference.
And yes, many of them DO take new players.
You could progress more in a week than you would in a month solo.....no shit there, man.
I readed the whole thread.
I have to agree with that because DF had always been expected to be about zerg. So join a zerg clan to protect your self. I kind of agree with you guys denying the OP by asking him to join a clan(In other words, a zerg clan) Check out the 17 minutes trailer. Every part of the video, even pve, you see zerg everywhere.
So before you start darkfall, make sure to know that darkfall is about zerg clan. So join one instead of whining about the grind in game. But in an other side, even if you do join a clan, the grind is still huge and there is still no way to catch up whitout macroing. So again, AV still have to balance those stuff to make us being about to compete. There is no cap, but specialization is nothing more. So AV have to either fix the specialization or add a cap and decay.
And again, a newb that join a zerg clan, wich member will want to help him out? How many? The new clan allow you to stay for 1 month. After 1 months, no more zerg companion for you. You can join a clan, but again, who will babaysit you while you kill goblin, kobols or trolls?
Like ppl suggested in the official DF forum, make stats grind being faster from 10 to 50 for all attribute. After that, it should be harsher, but not too harsh. It should still be possible to catch up a vet from EU server who macroed since launch.
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This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
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This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
Until he gives us his character's name (been asked before), an ss of his billing, or a vid of playing darkfall I won't believe he plays darkfall. The mob AI and PvE in general is not enough to keep a PvE centric player playing the game for long
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
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This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
Well, I hope you have fun in MO. It's true there is a PVE grind in Darkfall and I don't think anyone is really denying that. If you really hate PVEing mobs and the only thing you want to do is high-end PVP, then Darkfall probably isn't for you.
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
Too bad the following the MO is completely fail
Combat System (its gettng completely redone)
Territory control system
Red stat loss attached to the terriotry control system
Stability
Content for people who don't care about housing or crafting
Oh, and if you want to change "builds" in MO at launch you'll either have to 1) create a new character , 2) reroll, or 3) untrain skills to learn new ones. Its not as easy as you say it is.
Also, the grind to get to 300 HP, if you do afk swimming, craft some, harvest some isn't that bad. However, for people who just want to PvP level, its terrible because you are forced to PvE. However, MO pretty much forces you PvE to level as well due to all the unesscarily harsh consequences on PvPing on your terms, the difference is that because of a skill cap you are forced to focus train where as in darkfall you aren't which means a lot of people getting overwhelemed and think they need everything. If people focused trained more in DFO like people do in EvE there wouldn't be as much QQ about the grind as there currently is. There is grind in DFO, but not everything in DFO is a grind.
The only games that allow you to PvP to level are WAR, GW, and Global Agenda
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
He says he likes PVE in one post and in another he says it's a tortuous grind. He is an effective troll, as you pointed out, and seems to be accomplishing exactly what you're saying- driving new people away from the game, despite repeatedly claiming he wants new people to join. If you call that "smart" then I guess he is smart. I just call him a troll. Maybe he's a smart troll? In any case, it isn't that difficult to troll this message board since it's not used that often.
People that like the game know this that's why we're calling him on his BS.
But you don't even play the game anymore why do you care?
Because i want to play DF so much, but i know the grind will make me cancel my account. Its an mmorpg, the game cost 50$, i dont want to pay and end up leaving because i hate to pve. The faq is, there is a huge pve grind and you get rewarded to finally experience pvp after you get 300 hp.
Currently, im playing mortal online open beta and im having a blast in that game. If MO is complete, it will be better then DF on a newb friendly side and for the UO vets. There is no grind in MO, if you want to swtich play style, you toggle down str and you switch it with int raise instead. Same for all the other skills. Tired of playing with sword, you switch with axe by toggleling down sword and raise mode on axe. Its been 2 days i played the beta, i got 30 str already. Im planning to play as a melee only and we can in MO.
Well, I hope you have fun in MO. It's true there is a PVE grind in Darkfall and I don't think anyone is really denying that. If you really hate PVEing mobs and the only thing you want to do is high-end PVP, then Darkfall probably isn't for you.
Then explain why MO is for me? We can do anything in MO including pve that is not a grind.
Ok i see. If you want DF to be for you, you have to take DF as a PVE game primary and then, you can enjoy pvp afterward(After 300 hp to parcipate in war and 10 months to compete one on one vs the vets) I see, its not for me. So the OP is 100% right. This is the kind of truth i was looking for and the newb wear looking for before they paid 50 dollars. Thx AV for the 1 dollars deal, but will it work to bring more players to make them stay?
So stop telling that the OP is a troll, or either not play the game or eihter play it the wrong way. (Swish!) He speakin' the facts,It's Deeper Than Rap, Paid off by the environment And he did it 4 weeks in the trap.
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The ultimate hardcore revolutionary PvP game that took 10 years to develop is actually one of the worst PvE grind games with only end game PvP content, oh the delicious irony and the final insult to anyone who supported this game hoping it would actually be anything like what was promised.
I can understand why so many people spent years defending this games developers for all their abysmal faults and making increasingly elaborate excuses for all there failings because there was always the small chance that they might actually pull it of or maybe some of it, but to see some of the same people now going so low as to be supporting Darkfalls PvE based gameplay is incredible.
Darkfall is a PvE MMO, just think about that for a minute.
Darkfall is primarily about grinding stats and resources from PvE gameplay.
You can only participate competitively in the PvP aspects of the game after grinding the required amount of PvE content.
In this so called PvP sandbox game about freedom you are obligated to first endure months of PvE grinding and you are required to join a "good" clan and meet any other number of criteria stated before you can start playing with the sand without getting your face repeatedly stomped into it.
There are no hackers
Servers have a healthy and growing population
Games a sandbox
Join a (good) guild
There is no PvE grind.
Game is awesome best ever
Did I miss anything?
Oh yes anyone still playing this game who has themselves endured this painful PvE experience and has high stats should continue to inform prospective new players that there is no grind and stats don't matter and that they are at fault for everything.
To add insult to injury there are currently and have been many other MMO's on the market that have offered much more accessible and rewarding PvP gameplay options without the stupendous PvE grind requirements that this so called premier PvP game requires, there are even (shock horror) some that don't require any grind whatsoever.
Why would anyone actually interested in PvP play Darkfall?.
Most of the people I see now defending the game actually seem more interested in preserving the advantage they have gained from grinding stats on mobs or misleading new players into thinking they can be competitive without doing so.
pretty much everything.
When will you accept reality ?
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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This...this Xipher....this....
And some still wonders why Darkfall failed. I have been Screaming this for nine months and I`m the stupid one. Aventurine manage to alienate the entire mmo community, and I find it amazing a company would do such a thing. I would love to be in the room when they did their brainstorming.
-The first players they pushed away were the pveers. The aligment system and no safezone drove those players away faster than a fat kid at a cake buffet.
-The next player group that left were the casual pvpers. They fast realized they would never could catch up in the terrorizing grind race.
-The chat system made us lose all the role players.
-The crafters left when all could make their own stuff.
-The hardcore pvpers left after grinding 15000 boring mobs.
-And now the super-hardcore no-lifer pvper are starting to leave for lack of players and fun.
Maybe NA1 is filled with players and have sieges and large battles everyday, but the pvp on EU1 are smaller than a counter-strike match. If a group can field 20 players, they are a zerg.
We are left with no-lifers like myself, "mr I can play DF 12-16 hours Agricola", "I don`t kill mobs for gain, I abuse the hivequeen Xipher", "I have killed more than 700 goblins Holdenhamlet" and "mr I abused all mobs I could and macroing was allowed when I started."
If Aventurine want to have a game in a few months, they need to focus on what segment of the marked they want. I just hope they chose to focus on the casual full-loot pvp marked, and not the hardcore PVE marked we have now.
You guys are getting boring.
Go play COD, you don't need to grind anything and you are competitive as soon as you log in
You guys are getting boring.
Go play COD, you don't need to grind anything and you are competitive as soon as you log in
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AV have to stay focus on a niche audience. Currently, they try to be like wow. Appealing to all kind of gamers to bring all kind of different play style. What they have to do, focusing on one audience. If they want to be pve, they have to add more safe option in game. IF they want a pvp old school from UO audience, they have to keep it the way it is, reduce the grind so anyone have a chance, fix the damn chat system so players can interact easily and to fix the politic, you either have to add a cap so players can be different or fix the specialization system.
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Must be one of your fail inside jokes. Not funny. Find something else.
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This thread has nothing to do with that thread. If you know a way for me to gain more HP other than PVE and chopping wood please let me know. I don't know what reported means?
Nice try buddy, I fell for this the first time, but not this time.
Anyone reading this thread, please read through the OP's other thread and be sure to not play the way he does (takes all of the fun out of the game), and take some of the advice that was given throughout that he did not.
I know this quote is really far, but i had to respond to this.
So you saying, darkfall is not a sandbox game? You cant play the way you want to be able to compete? You ask us to not do like the OP, but you want us to do your way. Joining a clan. Special announcement, darkfall is not a sandbox game. Darkfall become a sandbox game only once you gain the veteran medal
Im not playing darkfall, im not taking that one week offer. Not enough to be sure that i will keep going for the whole months with that horrible grind. So i will keep waiting teal AV get reed of the grind and il buy DF and play it for ever.
That comment wasn't just about how mmoluva won't join a clan, it's how he refuses to do anything but grind up stats and skills in the fastest way possible. It is sandbox and you can do whatever you want, but he's burning himself out and then complaining about it all day on here.
I dont see him complaining since i keep hearing him say that he enjoy pve. He is just spreading words saying that if someone really want to compete in DF pvp, he have to kill a specific amount of mobs. The fastest way to do it might be his way. In wow, the fastest way to max lvl is by killing mobs without questing, but who does that? Its so boring to kill mobs without questing, no baddies does that except no life gamers who got all day.
Either way, the OP seem smarter then the whole DF communoty. He speak the truth even if his way is the baddest way to play DF, but still, the newcomers reading the forum will read his post, take it as a faq, they will think that all DF fanboys are all liers and they will end up getting far away from darkfall. In the newcomers head, DF is suppose to be a pvp game, the OP is spreading word that its a pve game with his faq. You guys try to deny him by insulting him, telling him that he is a troll, but what you dont get, the OP enjoy what he do and he seem like a smart person like i said.
The DF syndrome of calling others carebear, trolls, noobs, go back to wow, thats what newcomers get. So none of you pvpers can deny what the OP make the newcomers read when they come to MMORPG.com because finally, they can read someone post that is not offensive, violent in his post plus he plays the game.
Until he gives us his character's name (been asked before), an ss of his billing, or a vid of playing darkfall I won't believe he plays darkfall. The mob AI and PvE in general is not enough to keep a PvE centric player playing the game for long
What does it matter if he/she plays or not? Its quite clear that many share the same viewpoint, while the same 5 people attempt damage control. What makes you think you know exactly what reasons every person plays the game for? I thought it was a sandbox game?
It was even worse in WoW. I still remember level 60 troll rogues killing me in the starting towns... Thankfully darkfall lets you prevent this simply by not being part of a clan.
Did it happen every day in WoW? No. Did it force you to leave the city? No. Don't lie and imply WoW has hardcore PVP like Darkfall.
That is one of the cooler parts of WoW that people can do that, though. Unfortunately, there is almost no incentive to do it, unlike this game where you can take the other person's stuff, or once you get stronger, take their fortress.
It's impossible to avoid this in WoW, and it was quite common and very debilitating. Actually once I was max level thats pretty much all I did. Darkfall is softer and allows you to completely avoid this simply be not being in a clan, so I dont see how its any more "hardcore" (which is really just another one of those buzzwords that darkfall players love to throw around).
Oh yeah, you're right. WoW has hardcore PVP because a rogue ganked you twice in a city.
Most people have played WoW on a PVP server and know it's not hardcore PVP, so you're going to have to come up with some other way to troll these boards.
Can you define "hardcore"? Its pretty much just a buzzword thats thrown around while talking about darkfall because the players think its cool to play a "hardcore" game. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean what you think it means.
I have to agree with pretty much everything you said. The first and last sentences are the key here. Die-hard supporters are the ones who signed up to the game's official forums years ahead of its release raving about how awesome its going to be and watched it deteriorate from what was originally offered, yet still support the game in its current state. They will always defend the game no matter how bad it gets because they spent so long raving about it and justifying every single negative aspect of the game. The same mentality applies to those that you mentioned in your final sentence. They are trying to defend their investment more than the actual game.
This is a perfect example of some of the things I mentioned. If you get tricked into thinking that there isnt a huge PvE grind, and manage to join a "good" guild and all of the other requirements that have been mentioned in these forums that are required for the game to be "playable" yet aren't necessary, then you can enjoy the game. This doesn't sound like a sandbox game to me. One of my favorite things to see after I read all the "DARKFALL IS SANDBOX!!!" is someone listing a requirement for the game to be playable. "Join a clan!" Not enough! "Join a GOOD clan!" "Dont kill XXX mob, you have to kill XYZ mob!" "Dont level XXX skills, level XYZ skills!" ETC, ETC..
Also love how they say the game is at a healthy population. For the size of the world the population is tiny. I'm lucky If i see 2 different people in the towns that I frequent, and they aren't starter towns either. Those are worse usually. I have never had to even share a mob spawn with another player (or fight over it) since I started playing the game, including goblins, and I have almost 5k PvE kills. If you are liberal with it and say that there are 3,000 active subs to darkfall, what are you comparing with to say the game is healthy? Dark age of camelot probably has more than 3k subs, and its old.
If you never fight or meet someone at a mob spawn, you MUST live on Mirrorsea (a 15 minute swim from and to any part of mainland/subcontinent).
If you want to do some serious damage in the game, then YES it is necessary to train/grind your preferred skill up to a reasonable level (leveling a skill on mobs makes the leveling part a lot faster; DF stays a MMO after all). The PvE is not mindless as in: mobs have several strengths and weaknessess and it's up to the player to take advantage of a weakness (kill mob faster with less reagents/arrows spent). Or the player decides he does not want a profit at all and only cares about skilling up, in this case he can try a mob that is very good protected against that kind of dmg (resulting in a very low dmg per hit, but just high enough to give you skillup and therefore makes it possible to grind your skill up in no time).
A last note, YES this game is not perfect (not perfect yet
). But the population since the last expansion and the trial offer has severely increased, and I believe it will be doing so for a long while. Darkfall is a one-of-a-kind hardcore PvP Sandbox experience, giving a big wink to it's succesfull ancestor UO. As long as they keep updating/expanding on the universe of Agon I see nothing but a prosperous future. Get into the game now before the masses do, and enjoy the life called Darkfall.
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in Ultima Online there is so much things what you can do that if i write that list here then these servers will propably go down.
in darkfall you point and click trees or stones or players and thats pretty much it.
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Ultima Online has been around for a decade. Darkfall just passed it's first birthday, what do you expect?
And my answer to your short-sighted post is already given (just below the part you quoted which you intentionally left out): "As long as they keep updating/expanding on the universe of Agon I see nothing but a prosperous future."
I don't know what mirrorsea is I spend some of my time in ork towns. I also don't know what you mean when you say darkfall is one of a kind hardcore PvP sandbox experience. It's just open-world PvP. I don't know what hardcore means either. And it's definitely not a sandbox game, like I said, it's just open-world PvP.
I see darkfall as a pvp game designed for hard core PVE'rs who enjoy unbalanced pVP.
I went from Darkfall EU to Global Agenda, and am now back in Darkfall US.
They are essentially polar opposites in terms of pvp philosophy - In GA I can compete very quickly in fast paced adrenaline packed combat, in DF I am now a total noob getting raped at goblin spawns with likely 2 months of intensive gamplay ahead of me to develop a semi-decent build.
I guess I am enjoying darkfall even though the pace is slow because there is a certain sense of accomplishment that I can work towards and the pvp is more meaningful because there is something to lose.
It would be nice if I could catch up more quickly in DF, but its not like there aern't other games out there that satisy this. Once I get bored of those, which is usually quite quickly because the pvp is essentially meaningles and shallow, then I head back to darkfall where I will get owned for a while, but at least have something to work towards.
I will continue to hope that one day there will be a game that combines both aspects, basically intensive, meaningful pvp that is based on mainly player skill and not grinded skills. So far the only game that has really achieved this is Planetside.