I am not the one trying to gain credibilty for stating " I no longer play WOW" and then counter that sentence six times in a row with different posts.
Where exactly did I do that???
You are no longer an active player. So not credible to me as an active player.
It is that simple. The LFG was named best patch ever by wowinsider.com.
And we all know that THAT makes it SO!
Simply because it was welcomed by the active players. Obvious.
How am I "trying to gain credibility?" Having played WoW for five years, since before YOU started, by the way....if that isn't credibility enough for you....I'm not sure what is. Oh wait...yes, yes I am.
Someone is only CREDIBLE to you if they think EXACTLY the same way YOU do.
There....right there....is the crux of this whole matter, isn't it?
LOL...grow up, young padawan.
"I played the game for 5 years and now I am fed up with it.
And now I want that everyone else sees that WOW is going downhill because I am no longer having fun."
Synthesis.
Good for you. Now let us play the game(s) we like. And stop the changing "stop - play stop - play stop - play" hic ups.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
I used to play WoW, I'm pretty sure I'm not going back, it just doesn't have a fun factor for me anymore.
For it going downhill, that happens to MMOs over time, it's also a slump at the pre-xpac factor, when Cata launches I would bet that a lot of players will come back, then leave again when they get done with it.
Well all games goes down hill as they age more and more anyways.
I don't agree with this statement at all.
EVE Online for one is an example of a game that just keeps getting better with age, I'm sure there are other examples too.
Yes, LOTRO is another one of those "other examples" you speak of. Community 'seems' to be growing. Also, as mentioned in an article in PC Gamer, "LotRO was one of the only MMOs that did not have to consolidate or shut down a single server in 2009, meaning that it has a stable or growing population".
"I played the game for 5 years and now I am fed up with it.
And now I want that everyone else sees that WOW is going downhill because I am no longer having fun."
Synthesis.
Good for you. Now let us play the game(s) we like. And stop the changing "stop - play stop - play stop - play" hic ups.
You are really a piece of work.
All I did was post my own opinion, JUST LIKE YOU. I never EVER have said that everyone should see that WoW is "going downhill." As a matter of fact, if you had read my post right BEFORE you started this back and forth with me....you would SEE that I said that WoW now appeals to a somewhat different group of people, that it has evolved into something that while I, myself, do not enjoy...even though I loved the game in 2004...that a lot of NEW PEOPLE are loving it now, and that that is GOOD for Blizzard.
I also said that I was glad to have enjoyed the game as long as I did....
But in your nerdrage at me, you failed to SEE any of the good things I said and focused only on the parts YOU didn't agree with.
Yes, I'm done with this conversation with YOU, but if you think you're going to intimidate me into not voicing my own opinion about this game, and any other games I've played as I see fit....you're sorely mistaken.
Freedom to voice an opinion doesn't apply only to YOU here.
At the end of the day wether wow is declining or not, I think people like in the past with all of the releases people have mentioned here before ( Conan, Warhammer, LOTRO, AION, STO, Fallen Earth, Global Agenda, and the list goes on), there is too much faith in the next batch of MMOs, what is most likely to happen is we will have and yet again another batch of mediocre releases that really are gonna be hyped and bumped for a month until people say "yeah its shit its not worth the money".
And you can say what you want about company X is gonna make it right and believe all the nonsense you want, chances are, and according to the trends all of these hyped up releases will just end up like the others, become a niche game that really is just stealing numbers from other niche games (people playing Conan, Warhammer, LOTRO and AION) and wont move the MMORPG genre forward in the games industry.
And you might think "yeah thats cool Raven I really like LOTRO and Conan and all my friends like it so I dont mind if its a niche game", well think again, all of these projects were developed with massive budgets with the intent of taking a slice of the big market that Blizzard pretty much controls, if WoW goes downhill completely and there is no good products on the market that can retain the existing customer base, people will just move away from MMORPGs all of those people that came in will leave to consoles and other games and so will investors with the millions to pump into new projects.
Now I am sure this situation just wont happen, Blizzard is still alive and kicking and like any big company they are not gonna settle with stability, any company worth its salt will always pursue growth and growth for blizzard can only come from developing better and more game titles, you can bet cataclysm is gonna bring alot of people and will be again a best seller, and you can bet as soon as they announce their new MMO millions will again pre-order it and buy it and Blizzard will continue to hold the share of the market it holds today.
On the same note you can bet there will be loads of investors wasting their millions trying to grab that slice of the cake as well, I just wouldnt hold my breath for an MMORPG of the proportions of WoW any time soon, can it happen? Yes ofc, but its unlikely.
I really do not see it going downhill at all. Subscription numbers are up. Cataclysm is closer than ever to being released. I see new people, yes new people all the time in game. Old players are busy leveling alts in order to be ready for the new content of Cataclysm and to play the old lands one more time before they change forever. So if WoW is dying or going down hill I just don't see it.
Please refrain from using personal attacks on other users.
Thank you. I'm assuming calling someone a liar without ample proof they are lying constitutes a personal attack. And while I didn't report this...I'm certainly grateful to whomever did.
Misquoting someone's previous posts to attempt to garner credibility for yourself is a shifty little practice. Perhaps we have some budding politicians flitting about the site here.
Again....MMORPG.com mods are on the ball. /cheer
Oh...and I will try to refrain from calling anyone else a "young padawan," as I can see how that might be construed as a personal attack.
So some people are proclaiming how they dislike WoW on forums? That is hardly a very solid base for making serious predictions. For most people here it seem to be all wishy washy "I don't like it so I'm sure it must be going down". Wanting something to be true is not a very strong starting point, not is it very interesting when presented as predictions. There has been lots of threads about WoW not growing in 2009, yet noone has tried to face up to the problems of the financial resesion nor the troubles WoW has had in China. In a year where the industry is losing, status quo isn't all that bad. Certainly a good analysis would have to at least touch by the other possible reasons for 2009 being a slow year. The big question though is and remains how Cataclysm does and that remains to be seen. Loke666 raises a valid point about competition in 2011. I do have my doubts as we've heard that one before, it might finally strike true. Again, we'll have to wait, though. So I guess what I'm saying is that we do not have the information to make these predictions. As such I find most of the threads to this effect a bit silly, it's more what people want to happen than what there is good reason to expect.
Edit: Oh I thought I should mention my doubts as to SW:TOR. I hope I'm wrong, but they way I see it Bioware as a developer are good at storytelling. Gameplay wise their games are decent, but not great. SW:TOR seems to follow the mold as such (though it's hard to say anything about the gameplay without having tried it). That leaves the question if the game will have the longevity of a more gameplay focused game made by a developer more renowned for good and addictive gameplay. I simply doubt that voiceacting will keep it going that long, though I really do hope I'm wrong.
Let's see what predictor Loke666 wrote in .... 2007 when he talks about the future WOW killers ... in 2007:
"Wow will lose players to those games because right now there isn't much competion. Blizzard will be forced to restructure the game a lot and add more content. They will also have to buff up the graphic a lot. If Blizzard spend some of the kazillion money they gotten they can still be the leading game in a few years but eventually every great game declines.
My guess would be a million players by 2010 unless they make a really big change and then 100K by 2015../ ... GW2 (sic) will be free and that might put a new standard."
And a little bit further:
"My worst fear (sic) is that most of the brilliant programmers of blizzard has quit and they might become another EA, the 3 next coming games tare just follow ups off old games "
His WOW predictions were about 1200%(!) off for 2010. How far can someone be wrong and maintain that same compulsive theory with a straight face for around 3 years now .....
Even with the exact same arguments of names, games and quitting developpers.
Edit: I'll put in my two cents worth of prediction: in what I saw the last year in changes to the core mechanics of WOW, someone at Blizzard HQ's is quite awake these days and it looks as if the 1 billion dollars stream is only now beginning to put the steam on it.
The launch of Cata is no longer the hampered WOW launch of 2004. That's my catch.
I hate to call you out like this... But WoW did make a really big change.
WoW 180ed away from the hardcore raider and end game content pushing and focused on the casual and dumbed the game down for the casuals. They made the game accessible to a greater audience since that post.
So... I would back Loke666 up in providing a fairly accurate prediction.
You see, he said if they didn't make the changes needed to retain the sub base then they will lose it. He didn't say anything about how the game will progress if they did make the changes. The changes were made and his prediction of WoW failing didnt happen.
Will WoW continue to reign supreme for the next few years? Yes. They will. There is nothing short of themselves screwing the game up that will cause a mass exodus. The size of the game means there are 3rd party interests and social networking going on and when the time for the game to die comes (if ever) then it will die over time but not suddenly.
They are ramping up a new MMO to continue to thrive and my guess is they will revamp WoW in whatever way needed to keep it going.
I might even say they may do a re-launch if they need to. Blizzard doesn't have a track record for forgetting old games.
From all of the negative talk about Warcraft,its seems that the game is lacking alot and players are starting to just quit.The game is going Downhill for lots reasons: The gameplay is boring or needs to be improved,The game it self says its massive but where the heck is everyone? It seems like the game was fun in the past,But have they gone to far?-Will the New Expansion fix theses problems?-and what will the future hold for warcraft?-So will warcraft be worth giving another shot at?
I am one of those that have been playing the game for 5 years and i have quit, the last mini content patch where they made Onyxia lvl80 just pissed me off really. The game has also gone towards just being pve based because they messed up the pvp in BC expansion big time, and pvp now is just plain boring - if you have the gear you will win - and doesn't require any skill to it like back in vanilla wow.
I for one won't be buying the expansion afterall why would i want to do a lvl85 BWL, BRS raid? yup you got it they are running out of ideas and are reincarnating all old world raids upto high max lvl cap, i don't pay my money to help fund them doing this, i pay my money for new content patches etc.
Bottom line is this i suppose: if you have quit the game like myself you start to see the bigger picture and just realise that the game itself has gone stale. If you are still playing you won't agree with that statement because you think the game is great.
PS. I also play EVE online and i think that Blizzard could learn a thing or 2 about how to treat their loyal customers, in EVE if anyone doesn't know, ALL expansions are free, we've had 2 full on expansions in the past year alone! Afterall its not like Blizzard needs the money from selling expansions right? Afterall they supposedly have 11mill subs out there right? Well imo they need to start showing some respect for the paying customer and give expansions for free especially when they are just upping the lvl of old lvl60 raid bosses.
So some people are proclaiming how they dislike WoW on forums? That is hardly a very solid base for making serious predictions. For most people here it seem to be all wishy washy "I don't like it so I'm sure it must be going down". Wanting something to be true is not a very strong starting point, not is it very interesting when presented as predictions. There has been lots of threads about WoW not growing in 2009, yet noone has tried to face up to the problems of the financial resesion nor the troubles WoW has had in China. In a year where the industry is losing, status quo isn't all that bad. Certainly a good analysis would have to at least touch by the other possible reasons for 2009 being a slow year. The big question though is and remains how Cataclysm does and that remains to be seen. Loke666 raises a valid point about competition in 2011. I do have my doubts as we've heard that one before, it might finally strike true. Again, we'll have to wait, though. So I guess what I'm saying is that we do not have the information to make these predictions. As such I find most of the threads to this effect a bit silly, it's more what people want to happen than what there is good reason to expect.
Edit: Oh I thought I should mention my doubts as to SW:TOR. I hope I'm wrong, but they way I see it Bioware as a developer are good at storytelling. Gameplay wise their games are decent, but not great. SW:TOR seems to follow the mold as such (though it's hard to say anything about the gameplay without having tried it). That leaves the question if the game will have the longevity of a more gameplay focused game made by a developer more renowned for good and addictive gameplay. I simply doubt that voiceacting will keep it going that long, though I really do hope I'm wrong.
Let's see what predictor Loke666 wrote in .... 2007 when he talks about the future WOW killers ... in 2007:
"Wow will lose players to those games because right now there isn't much competion. Blizzard will be forced to restructure the game a lot and add more content. They will also have to buff up the graphic a lot. If Blizzard spend some of the kazillion money they gotten they can still be the leading game in a few years but eventually every great game declines.
My guess would be a million players by 2010 unless they make a really big change and then 100K by 2015../ ... GW2 (sic) will be free and that might put a new standard."
And a little bit further:
"My worst fear (sic) is that most of the brilliant programmers of blizzard has quit and they might become another EA, the 3 next coming games tare just follow ups off old games "
His WOW predictions were about 1200%(!) off for 2010. How far can someone be wrong and maintain that same compulsive theory with a straight face for around 3 years now .....
Even with the exact same arguments of names, games and quitting developpers.
Edit: I'll put in my two cents worth of prediction: in what I saw the last year in changes to the core mechanics of WOW, someone at Blizzard HQ's is quite awake these days and it looks as if the 1 billion dollars stream is only now beginning to put the steam on it.
The launch of Cata is no longer the hampered WOW launch of 2004. That's my catch.
I hate to call you out like this... But WoW did make a really big change.
WoW 180ed away from the hardcore raider and end game content pushing and focused on the casual and dumbed the game down for the casuals. They made the game accessible to a greater audience since that post.
So... I would back Loke666 up in providing a fairly accurate prediction.
You see, he said if they didn't make the changes needed to retain the sub base then they will lose it. He didn't say anything about how the game will progress if they did make the changes. The changes were made and his prediction of WoW failing didnt happen.
Will WoW continue to reign supreme for the next few years? Yes. They will. There is nothing short of themselves screwing the game up that will cause a mass exodus. The size of the game means there are 3rd party interests and social networking going on and when the time for the game to die comes (if ever) then it will die over time but not suddenly.
They are ramping up a new MMO to continue to thrive and my guess is they will revamp WoW in whatever way needed to keep it going.
I might even say they may do a re-launch if they need to. Blizzard doesn't have a track record for forgetting old games.
He was off by more than 10 million players .. on a 3 year prognosis. He said the game would have a mere 1 M subs by 2010.
How far off can one be? The game had around 8 M players around that time.
Of course his "predictions" have to be seen in the 2007/2008 hype of all those fantastic WOW killers out there.
We know better now.
Of course Blizzard changes the game constantly : it is called : having the player stats and data ... and have the resources.
And actually after having played COD : MW 2 these last few months, I came to realise even more the gap between WOW and other games is still .... increasing.
Yep. Why ? You pick your style and can stick to it. The others just don't give the same number of choices.
Logical too: it is all a question of development resources.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
You just noticed this now? People are starting to notice how bad of a game and how bad the community in WoW really is finally. They are starting to go elsewhere. I quit myself way before thd 1st expansion came out, Haven't gone back since. Community was bad then and it could only have gotten worse. Plus the point of raiding is pretty much gone now in WoW, back when it first came out if you could raid you were part of the elite, now a days any moron can raid.
Why shouldn't everyone be able to raid? IMO a raid just means more players in the group. In fact one could argue lesser qualified people should be more at home in a raid, then groups of lesser quantities.
lol. its nothing is certain except death and taxes. nothing lasts forever except wow. aka its legacy
uber black and red temple of nod gaming case 4 fuckin gigs of random access memory ge force chopper sick balls over 9000 vid card bra holy shit im bragging about my computer to play mmo's processor!
I am one of those that have been playing the game for 5 years and i have quit, the last mini content patch where they made Onyxia lvl80 just pissed me off really. The game has also gone towards just being pve based because they messed up the pvp in BC expansion big time, and pvp now is just plain boring - if you have the gear you will win - and doesn't require any skill to it like back in vanilla wow.
You have to be kidding me? It's fine that some people liked vanilla PvP better, there is no accounting for tastes, but this "it took skill" is getting silly. It's complete utter nonsense. There was no outlet for PvP in vanilla that was comparable to high level arena play and the top players were not even comparable in terms of playing skill. We can argue if arena was better in TBC, but vanilla PvP does not compare favorably. As for gear, it's a funny claim given the massive effect high end raid gear had in vanilla PvP and what an easy mode raiders were given. Gear was as big a factor with two major differences; PvP'ers could mostly not get competitive gear through PvP and the gear was a lot less accessible. Come TBC anyone who cared about PvP could easily get a competitive if not top notch set og PvP gear, making gear less of a factor.
Bottom line is this i suppose: if you have quit the game like myself you start to see the bigger picture and just realise that the game itself has gone stale. If you are still playing you won't agree with that statement because you think the game is great.
Oh golly, so anyone still playing that disagrees with you clearly are just "not seeing the big picture". I suggest you back up your claims instead of trying to base them around flawed arguments such as this. I've just called you on your claims about vanilla PvP, feel free to enlighten me as to this bigger picture.
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I am not the one trying to gain credibilty for stating " I no longer play WOW" and then counter that sentence six times in a row with different posts.
Where exactly did I do that???
You are no longer an active player. So not credible to me as an active player.
It is that simple. The LFG was named best patch ever by wowinsider.com.
And we all know that THAT makes it SO!
Simply because it was welcomed by the active players. Obvious.
How am I "trying to gain credibility?" Having played WoW for five years, since before YOU started, by the way....if that isn't credibility enough for you....I'm not sure what is. Oh wait...yes, yes I am.
Someone is only CREDIBLE to you if they think EXACTLY the same way YOU do.
There....right there....is the crux of this whole matter, isn't it?
LOL...grow up, young padawan.
"I played the game for 5 years and now I am fed up with it.
And now I want that everyone else sees that WOW is going downhill because I am no longer having fun."
Synthesis.
Good for you. Now let us play the game(s) we like. And stop the changing "stop - play stop - play stop - play" hic ups.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Nothing ever last forever...
I used to play WoW, I'm pretty sure I'm not going back, it just doesn't have a fun factor for me anymore.
For it going downhill, that happens to MMOs over time, it's also a slump at the pre-xpac factor, when Cata launches I would bet that a lot of players will come back, then leave again when they get done with it.
I don't agree with this statement at all.
EVE Online for one is an example of a game that just keeps getting better with age, I'm sure there are other examples too.
Yes, LOTRO is another one of those "other examples" you speak of. Community 'seems' to be growing. Also, as mentioned in an article in PC Gamer, "LotRO was one of the only MMOs that did not have to consolidate or shut down a single server in 2009, meaning that it has a stable or growing population".
Your fail comment, failed.
"I played the game for 5 years and now I am fed up with it.
And now I want that everyone else sees that WOW is going downhill because I am no longer having fun."
Synthesis.
Good for you. Now let us play the game(s) we like. And stop the changing "stop - play stop - play stop - play" hic ups.
You are really a piece of work.
All I did was post my own opinion, JUST LIKE YOU. I never EVER have said that everyone should see that WoW is "going downhill." As a matter of fact, if you had read my post right BEFORE you started this back and forth with me....you would SEE that I said that WoW now appeals to a somewhat different group of people, that it has evolved into something that while I, myself, do not enjoy...even though I loved the game in 2004...that a lot of NEW PEOPLE are loving it now, and that that is GOOD for Blizzard.
I also said that I was glad to have enjoyed the game as long as I did....
But in your nerdrage at me, you failed to SEE any of the good things I said and focused only on the parts YOU didn't agree with.
Yes, I'm done with this conversation with YOU, but if you think you're going to intimidate me into not voicing my own opinion about this game, and any other games I've played as I see fit....you're sorely mistaken.
Freedom to voice an opinion doesn't apply only to YOU here.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
At the end of the day wether wow is declining or not, I think people like in the past with all of the releases people have mentioned here before ( Conan, Warhammer, LOTRO, AION, STO, Fallen Earth, Global Agenda, and the list goes on), there is too much faith in the next batch of MMOs, what is most likely to happen is we will have and yet again another batch of mediocre releases that really are gonna be hyped and bumped for a month until people say "yeah its shit its not worth the money".
And you can say what you want about company X is gonna make it right and believe all the nonsense you want, chances are, and according to the trends all of these hyped up releases will just end up like the others, become a niche game that really is just stealing numbers from other niche games (people playing Conan, Warhammer, LOTRO and AION) and wont move the MMORPG genre forward in the games industry.
And you might think "yeah thats cool Raven I really like LOTRO and Conan and all my friends like it so I dont mind if its a niche game", well think again, all of these projects were developed with massive budgets with the intent of taking a slice of the big market that Blizzard pretty much controls, if WoW goes downhill completely and there is no good products on the market that can retain the existing customer base, people will just move away from MMORPGs all of those people that came in will leave to consoles and other games and so will investors with the millions to pump into new projects.
Now I am sure this situation just wont happen, Blizzard is still alive and kicking and like any big company they are not gonna settle with stability, any company worth its salt will always pursue growth and growth for blizzard can only come from developing better and more game titles, you can bet cataclysm is gonna bring alot of people and will be again a best seller, and you can bet as soon as they announce their new MMO millions will again pre-order it and buy it and Blizzard will continue to hold the share of the market it holds today.
On the same note you can bet there will be loads of investors wasting their millions trying to grab that slice of the cake as well, I just wouldnt hold my breath for an MMORPG of the proportions of WoW any time soon, can it happen? Yes ofc, but its unlikely.
Please refrain from using personal attacks on other users.
I don't agree with this statement at all.
EVE Online for one is an example of a game that just keeps getting better with age, I'm sure there are other examples too.
I would have to agree with this statement. CCP has done a good job of keeping EvE moving forward and interesting.
I really do not see it going downhill at all. Subscription numbers are up. Cataclysm is closer than ever to being released. I see new people, yes new people all the time in game. Old players are busy leveling alts in order to be ready for the new content of Cataclysm and to play the old lands one more time before they change forever. So if WoW is dying or going down hill I just don't see it.
Thank you. I'm assuming calling someone a liar without ample proof they are lying constitutes a personal attack. And while I didn't report this...I'm certainly grateful to whomever did.
Misquoting someone's previous posts to attempt to garner credibility for yourself is a shifty little practice. Perhaps we have some budding politicians flitting about the site here.
Again....MMORPG.com mods are on the ball. /cheer
Oh...and I will try to refrain from calling anyone else a "young padawan," as I can see how that might be construed as a personal attack.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Let's see what predictor Loke666 wrote in .... 2007 when he talks about the future WOW killers ... in 2007:
"Wow will lose players to those games because right now there isn't much competion. Blizzard will be forced to restructure the game a lot and add more content. They will also have to buff up the graphic a lot. If Blizzard spend some of the kazillion money they gotten they can still be the leading game in a few years but eventually every great game declines.
My guess would be a million players by 2010 unless they make a really big change and then 100K by 2015../ ... GW2 (sic) will be free and that might put a new standard."
And a little bit further:
"My worst fear (sic) is that most of the brilliant programmers of blizzard has quit and they might become another EA, the 3 next coming games tare just follow ups off old games "
That was April 2007 ... exactly 3 years ago.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/724170/page/380
His WOW predictions were about 1200%(!) off for 2010. How far can someone be wrong and maintain that same compulsive theory with a straight face for around 3 years now .....
Even with the exact same arguments of names, games and quitting developpers.
Edit: I'll put in my two cents worth of prediction: in what I saw the last year in changes to the core mechanics of WOW, someone at Blizzard HQ's is quite awake these days and it looks as if the 1 billion dollars stream is only now beginning to put the steam on it.
The launch of Cata is no longer the hampered WOW launch of 2004. That's my catch.
I hate to call you out like this... But WoW did make a really big change.
WoW 180ed away from the hardcore raider and end game content pushing and focused on the casual and dumbed the game down for the casuals. They made the game accessible to a greater audience since that post.
So... I would back Loke666 up in providing a fairly accurate prediction.
You see, he said if they didn't make the changes needed to retain the sub base then they will lose it. He didn't say anything about how the game will progress if they did make the changes. The changes were made and his prediction of WoW failing didnt happen.
Will WoW continue to reign supreme for the next few years? Yes. They will. There is nothing short of themselves screwing the game up that will cause a mass exodus. The size of the game means there are 3rd party interests and social networking going on and when the time for the game to die comes (if ever) then it will die over time but not suddenly.
They are ramping up a new MMO to continue to thrive and my guess is they will revamp WoW in whatever way needed to keep it going.
I might even say they may do a re-launch if they need to. Blizzard doesn't have a track record for forgetting old games.
What about death and taxes?
I am one of those that have been playing the game for 5 years and i have quit, the last mini content patch where they made Onyxia lvl80 just pissed me off really. The game has also gone towards just being pve based because they messed up the pvp in BC expansion big time, and pvp now is just plain boring - if you have the gear you will win - and doesn't require any skill to it like back in vanilla wow.
I for one won't be buying the expansion afterall why would i want to do a lvl85 BWL, BRS raid? yup you got it they are running out of ideas and are reincarnating all old world raids upto high max lvl cap, i don't pay my money to help fund them doing this, i pay my money for new content patches etc.
Bottom line is this i suppose: if you have quit the game like myself you start to see the bigger picture and just realise that the game itself has gone stale. If you are still playing you won't agree with that statement because you think the game is great.
PS. I also play EVE online and i think that Blizzard could learn a thing or 2 about how to treat their loyal customers, in EVE if anyone doesn't know, ALL expansions are free, we've had 2 full on expansions in the past year alone! Afterall its not like Blizzard needs the money from selling expansions right? Afterall they supposedly have 11mill subs out there right? Well imo they need to start showing some respect for the paying customer and give expansions for free especially when they are just upping the lvl of old lvl60 raid bosses.
Let's see what predictor Loke666 wrote in .... 2007 when he talks about the future WOW killers ... in 2007:
"Wow will lose players to those games because right now there isn't much competion. Blizzard will be forced to restructure the game a lot and add more content. They will also have to buff up the graphic a lot. If Blizzard spend some of the kazillion money they gotten they can still be the leading game in a few years but eventually every great game declines.
My guess would be a million players by 2010 unless they make a really big change and then 100K by 2015../ ... GW2 (sic) will be free and that might put a new standard."
And a little bit further:
"My worst fear (sic) is that most of the brilliant programmers of blizzard has quit and they might become another EA, the 3 next coming games tare just follow ups off old games "
That was April 2007 ... exactly 3 years ago.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/724170/page/380
His WOW predictions were about 1200%(!) off for 2010. How far can someone be wrong and maintain that same compulsive theory with a straight face for around 3 years now .....
Even with the exact same arguments of names, games and quitting developpers.
Edit: I'll put in my two cents worth of prediction: in what I saw the last year in changes to the core mechanics of WOW, someone at Blizzard HQ's is quite awake these days and it looks as if the 1 billion dollars stream is only now beginning to put the steam on it.
The launch of Cata is no longer the hampered WOW launch of 2004. That's my catch.
I hate to call you out like this... But WoW did make a really big change.
WoW 180ed away from the hardcore raider and end game content pushing and focused on the casual and dumbed the game down for the casuals. They made the game accessible to a greater audience since that post.
So... I would back Loke666 up in providing a fairly accurate prediction.
You see, he said if they didn't make the changes needed to retain the sub base then they will lose it. He didn't say anything about how the game will progress if they did make the changes. The changes were made and his prediction of WoW failing didnt happen.
Will WoW continue to reign supreme for the next few years? Yes. They will. There is nothing short of themselves screwing the game up that will cause a mass exodus. The size of the game means there are 3rd party interests and social networking going on and when the time for the game to die comes (if ever) then it will die over time but not suddenly.
They are ramping up a new MMO to continue to thrive and my guess is they will revamp WoW in whatever way needed to keep it going.
I might even say they may do a re-launch if they need to. Blizzard doesn't have a track record for forgetting old games.
He was off by more than 10 million players .. on a 3 year prognosis. He said the game would have a mere 1 M subs by 2010.
How far off can one be? The game had around 8 M players around that time.
Of course his "predictions" have to be seen in the 2007/2008 hype of all those fantastic WOW killers out there.
We know better now.
Of course Blizzard changes the game constantly : it is called : having the player stats and data ... and have the resources.
And actually after having played COD : MW 2 these last few months, I came to realise even more the gap between WOW and other games is still .... increasing.
Yep. Why ? You pick your style and can stick to it. The others just don't give the same number of choices.
Logical too: it is all a question of development resources.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Why shouldn't everyone be able to raid? IMO a raid just means more players in the group. In fact one could argue lesser qualified people should be more at home in a raid, then groups of lesser quantities.
WARCRAFT WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL WHEN TBC CAME OUT THREW EVERYTHING OUT OF WHACK OF WHAT MADE IT GOOD IN THE FIRST PLACE
What about death and taxes?
lol. its nothing is certain except death and taxes. nothing lasts forever except wow. aka its legacy
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