How anyone can get excited about anything put out by failcom is beyond me. You have to be a glutton for punishment.
This game will be just another pay for alpha testing it. When will people learn. You have to wait a least a year on any of their products for it to be a half decent game.
Some people can get excited because they use good sense. Some people are excited because it is a new genre to hit mmos. Some people are not dumbarses and are capable of following the development of a game. Some don't fall for the hype..no matter what claims are made...and are smart enough to wait for the opportunity to try a game for free.(buddy pass or trial anyone?) or can evaluate the forums and weed out the truth..the same way they can sift through the piles of hype that is the modern marketing machine. I have hope for all games...I also have faith in people. So when I say "some people" this and "some people" that..I really believe ALL people have the ability to do as I have described...but choose rather to bitch about what, is ultimately, the result of executing their free will.
If it is still early in the games life cycle or the free try isnt too exciting....then we can wait to try it later. ..after more polish or move on. " Failcom" didn't kidnap anyone and force them to buy AO or AoC. They just didn't deliver on what was advertised. Even UPS fails to deliver sometimes. I'm not going to hold an eternal grudge against Funcom just because they pissed off many people (or even myself). I never liked AO and still don't as of 1 year ago. AoC, on the other hand, has become a very good game imo. I hated it at launch...guess what?..I stopped playing. It got pretty damned good...and guess what? I play it now and enjoy it immensely.. SImple as that . If Secret World sucks at beta or launch...I'll stop playing. If it gets better...I'll give it a go. See the pattern? The chance that it could be a good game at launch or eventually and also given the world in which it takes place..well,,,that excites me. I always have time for a tasty game....even if it takes a while to ripen. Meanwhile..there are plenty of other mmos from which to nibble.
How anyone can get excited about anything put out by failcom is beyond me. You have to be a glutton for punishment.
No. Just believing that if companies or development teams make a mistake, they're not damned forever to make exactly the same mistakes over and over again, just as well as that if companies provided brilliant or innovative games in the past, they won't always stay the same forever and ever. The course companies make can change with new management - that's the very reason they change the product manager or game director with many MMO's - and development teams change as well with old talent leaving and new talent joining.
But if people want to carry out a personal grudge because all the 'harm' companies did with former games and launches, that's their privilege. If that means people won't ever play a game anymore from this or that company, fine.
Me, while at the same time keeping in mind of the companies' former successes and failures, I'll judge their upcoming games - like a TSW - by the information and videos provided, and not merely by their failures in the past.
And @Barcrow: yep, I agree :-) enough upcoming MMO's to nibble on for shorter or longer time, TSW, SW ToR, FF XIV, TERA, World of Darkness, GW2. Nomnomnom.
(I agree with the other posters, this mmorpg.com Post box is one of the clumsiest around )
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...
I would never give this company another dollar
..wow I'm amazed to see you moaning about FC (any chance eh?) . Suprised you didn't bring up some AoC hate here too.
/sarcasm off.
...Wow im amazed to see you brought something creative, constructive, intelligent, and contributing.( any chance eh?) Surprised you didnt bring up some trolling here too.
/Scarcasm off.
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How anyone can get excited about anything put out by failcom is beyond me. You have to be a glutton for punishment.
This game will be just another pay for alpha testing it. When will people learn. You have to wait a least a year on any of their products for it to be a half decent game.
are you sure your not late for a witch burning somewhere? If you need help holding your torch you might want to look elsewhere.
I never played AoC or AO, but I cannot look down on the company that made The Longest Journey. Im sorry but I just wont.
=P
PS - the new reply box on mmorpg.com is horrible. It forces me to reload the page multiple times.
omg Toq I agree with your ps this is horrid I dont know what mmorpg.com did but this is lame I couldnt even edit down this to just answer this ps part its so bad I hope they fix this soon
I think that like every MMO funcom has released wait a year after launch and you will find yourself playing a gem. They never disapoint on the bare bones of game structure and graphics, but sufficient content takes a while to turn up.
I think that like every MMO funcom has released wait a year after launch and you will find yourself playing a gem. They never disapoint on the bare bones of game structure and graphics, but sufficient content takes a while to turn up.
I dont understand what your saying are you saying they dont have the capability and professionalism to see past mistakes and better them?
Look at anarchy online it took several Game directors (* cough! Gaute * cough , Sillirion,
Means to meet players satisfaction ( mostly with a huge pull of on item grind, and the end of pseudo fantasy SL esque orientation DB - Xan ).
Look at AOC cataclysmic launch, huge lies on content and again ( hopefully gamers are not harmfull any other software company would have been class actioned for that ) : Game directors dance exit * cough Gaute *cough enter Sillirion,
the overall vision of AOC is great but some of the core mechanics realisation was horrible ... until 9 months ago.
Two Mmo release with a lot of expectation, lot of hype two failure ... and two resurrection lol
Anarchy online, Aoc , have one of the best story line i've ever seen in a mmo.
AOC music, art, animation are superb.
I think any Funcom game is like wine, the older they get, the greater their taste.
Even if in some people mouth AO is vinegar .
PS : there's still hope look at what they did with the shrines of Bori initially they weren't scheduled to launch before the expansion now they are shifted in prime, and further testing and polish is going on for the expansion.
With that move they adressed the player base number one expectation : new pvp content and they took extra time to get a smooth expansion release.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...
I would never give this company another dollar
..wow I'm amazed to see you moaning about FC (any chance eh?) . Suprised you didn't bring up some AoC hate here too.
/sarcasm off.
...Wow im amazed to see you brought something creative, constructive, intelligent, and contributing.( any chance eh?) Surprised you didnt bring up some trolling here too.
/Scarcasm off.
I don't know what you are complaining about. As rule of thumb you should never pre order any MMORPG ..period. Or you will most probably end up being frustrated and disappointed. FUNCOM has made two awesome MMO, AO and AOC. So if you got fooled its your own fault.
Something get better with time so people who have no patience will always cry and complain. Nothing new.
I had lost all hope on funcom after the AoC fiasco, but seeing that they are bringing back the skill system over class, is a small ray of hope of good things.
Didn't like that the report says the game is easily solo oriented with only big bosses requiring a group, that defies the purpose of being a MMO, but to each it's own.
Now the PvP sounds something like DAoC, only in a closed area away from the PvE so it sounds like there won't be griefing, could be wrong tho, the question would be, will it be faction vs faction or guild vs guild?
I am a great fan of Funcom's games (cough.. see avatar). I always buy them 1.5 years after release, and so far have found them to be the best MMOs released.
I do understand however that everyone who looks at this and gets fooled by the hype will be severely disappointed.
imho yea the hype machine they are putting behind this "the we will show you something at gdc then gdc comes and no we will only show the press" then let them force feed you 10-12 days later doesnt sit well with me but the premise of the game is refreshing and it is a different development team, I dont know how funcom works they develop and publish their own stuff not like ncsoft or ea or soe that just publish other stuff that was developed by totally different names, people dont like ncsoft or ea or soe either so go figure. AND MMORPG.COM I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU DID TO YOUR FORMATING BUT IT SUX BIG TIME AND BAD YOU WOULD HAVE EVERY KNOWN SECRETARY AND TYPIST QUIT YOUR EMPLOYMENT IF YOU LET THIS CRAP SLIDE
I think that like every MMO funcom has released wait a year after launch and you will find yourself playing a gem. They never disapoint on the bare bones of game structure and graphics, but sufficient content takes a while to turn up.
I dont understand what your saying are you saying they dont have the capability and professionalism to see past mistakes and better them?
I'm not sure if that's what he's saying but it's exactly what I'm saying.
Funcom released AO and it was horribly broken and unfinished.
Funcom released AoC and it was horribly broken and unfinished.
Why would this time be any different? You think that they will learn from their own mistakes the third time? You have way too much faith in them.
It is FUNCOM...aka failcom, fraudcom, no-funcom...etc.
I find the visuals nice, the skill system intriguing and the story/world fascinating...and I will believe FC can deliver on ANY of it about a month after I can play it.
FC are the grand masters of hype, spin and vanishing content. Due to their track record of failure and failed promises there is simply no way this game gets the benefit of the doubt.
If they can PROVE to me that they have solved their chronic network issues, horrible instancing and that the game looks half as pretty and runs on a real computer out in the real world (and not some custom demo box attached to the server); then I'll look at buying it.
and yes, I'll say it: Funcom has NEVER had the professional cohones learn from past mistakes because their rabid fans have never made them own to their errors.
"Story is fine up until it limits your choices. For example - the story of LOTRO is essential, whereas the story of EVE is a backdrop. One reason why LOTRO is a themepark game and EVE is sandbox. Another way to put it is games give you a car to drive - if you can drive it anywhere, even off a cliff then it is sandbox, however if the car sits on tracks - no matter how many directions those tracks go - then you have themepark."
Eve has many "rails" as well. Concord, no high sec capitals, no chance to develop your own ships, the system is entirely fed by the NPC gods.
"The first is that the game is designed to be solo-friendly"
Hahahaha. Great, ANOTHER fucking WoW clone. This game will be another mediocre MMo, just like AoC or any other MMoRPG released in the last few years. Hard to believe these guys are the people who made Anarchy Online.
"The first is that the game is designed to be solo-friendly"
Hahahaha. Great, ANOTHER fucking WoW clone. This game will be another mediocre MMo, just like AoC or any other MMoRPG released in the last few years. Hard to believe these guys are the people who made Anarchy Online.
Sorry but not everyone believes in forced grouping. Players are allowed to solo, the only grouping and raiding should be at the end game. Also WOW is not solo friendly and has plenty of group quests. Do you even know what you are typing?
I think that like every MMO funcom has released wait a year after launch and you will find yourself playing a gem. They never disapoint on the bare bones of game structure and graphics, but sufficient content takes a while to turn up.
I dont understand what your saying are you saying they dont have the capability and professionalism to see past mistakes and better them?
I'm not sure if that's what he's saying but it's exactly what I'm saying.
Funcom released AO and it was horribly broken and unfinished.
Funcom released AoC and it was horribly broken and unfinished.
Why would this time be any different? You think that they will learn from their own mistakes the third time? You have way too much faith in them.
lol the witch hunters have arrived honestly i could care less what you think I see what they made Aoc and embrace the path that TSW is going so if it burns your ass im sry for your 3 year old grudge all i can say is get up move on if your grudge was that bad you wouldnt be hear crying foul or if it was and you are I am sad for you that you wasted so much time being mad and sulked for 3 years probably posting crap like this thinking your gonna get a reward maybe its time for you to move on with your life like all the wow flamers maybe you all can start a support group
"The first is that the game is designed to be solo-friendly"
Hahahaha. Great, ANOTHER fucking WoW clone. This game will be another mediocre MMo, just like AoC or any other MMoRPG released in the last few years. Hard to believe these guys are the people who made Anarchy Online.
Sorry but not everyone believes in forced grouping. Players are allowed to solo, the only grouping and raiding should be at the end game. Also WOW is not solo friendly and has plenty of group quests. Do you even know what you are typing?
I agree. Heck in UO your skill was often rated on what you could do Solo...
This game wasnt even on my radar really but after the latest press releases I decided to take a look into it and so far it seems like something I will try and could enjoy.
lol the witch hunters have arrived honestly i could care less what you think I see what they made Aoc and embrace the path that TSW is going so if it burns your ass im sry for your 3 year old grudge all i can say is get up move on if your grudge was that bad you wouldnt be hear crying foul or if it was and you are I am sad for you that you wasted so much time being mad and sulked for 3 years probably posting crap like this thinking your gonna get a reward maybe its time for you to move on with your life like all the wow flamers maybe you all can start a support group
Here's the thing though. They're right.
Funcom has now had a reputation for A) having terrible starts and not listening to its playerbase.
AO's first problem was a launch so horrific it inspires legends. I can safely say no matter how bad your worst MMO launch was, AO's was worse. Then it suffered from a lack of direction. First it was a futuristic, open-pvp game. Then it was a series of capture the waypoint battles. Then it was a psuedo-fantasy game (Shadowlands). Then they started adding PVE raiding and player made cities. I don't even know what it is now.
AoC...Was going to be revolutionary. Then they scrapped/merged half the classes, butchered parts of the lore, purposefully toned down the "M" rating by removing adult elements steadily from each patch, scaled down the original ambitious combat engine to something resembling DDR, BUTCHERED crafting...and all of that was before launch. The launch itself was laggy and horrible, and it was several months before FC would even admit to the massive memory leaks that were plaguing it. The world past a fairly low level (30ish) felt empty and unfinished, and much of the content promised on the retail box just wasn't there. They've come leaps and bounds in improving it, but the hamhanded way they handled things as well as the utter lack of communication with the playerbase caused a lot of people to lose faith and leave.
Now TSW....looks incredible. And much of what they've promised here and elsewhere looks promising. But it's not the first time FC has told us they'd do one thing then done another. I'm waiting to see myself how the "sign back up for AoC and get a garaunteed spot in the TSW beta" thing goes.
Nothing that inspires me to want to buy it really.
Sounds a bit casual and throw away on the gameplay front.
But - anything that is not traditional 'fantasy' RPG deserves at least some moral support even though this particular game isn't appealing to me at the moment.
They will have to do alot more to attract a large fanbase, their could be more information not yet released but by the looks and sounds of it, seems a bit weak.
An announcement of a cash shop would put a nail in the coffin of my interest, for now I will wait and see.
"The first is that the game is designed to be solo-friendly"
Hahahaha. Great, ANOTHER fucking WoW clone. This game will be another mediocre MMo, just like AoC or any other MMoRPG released in the last few years. Hard to believe these guys are the people who made Anarchy Online.
The problem is all of us hardcore veterans have to accept that these companies aren't making games for us anymore. Games like AO, while awesome (eventually) only ever had 10-50k subs and the new 'themepark' inspired experiences sell millions and keep hundreds of thousands - no comaprison for a business.
Tiny studios like Icarus and the like (Fallen Earth) are our best bet for niche titles, but we have to stop expecting niche studios to have high production values just as much as we have to stop expecting major developrs to try for anything other than mainstream!
Personally TSW looks interesting but to me, like The Old Republic, all I see is great single player elements from a heavy story driven director and little that actually shows me much that it will be fun beyond the first 20-40 hours. I will probably buy it for those 20-40 hours and never subscribe
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I agree, I can barely post anymore. I just thought it was me. I have no idea what they did with this site but it's horrible.
also, i have to agree the longest journey is a good game.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
This along with SW:TOR make up my two most anticipated MMO's. In fact this one is more intriquing for me than SW even.
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Some people can get excited because they use good sense. Some people are excited because it is a new genre to hit mmos. Some people are not dumbarses and are capable of following the development of a game. Some don't fall for the hype..no matter what claims are made...and are smart enough to wait for the opportunity to try a game for free.(buddy pass or trial anyone?) or can evaluate the forums and weed out the truth..the same way they can sift through the piles of hype that is the modern marketing machine. I have hope for all games...I also have faith in people. So when I say "some people" this and "some people" that..I really believe ALL people have the ability to do as I have described...but choose rather to bitch about what, is ultimately, the result of executing their free will.
If it is still early in the games life cycle or the free try isnt too exciting....then we can wait to try it later. ..after more polish or move on. " Failcom" didn't kidnap anyone and force them to buy AO or AoC. They just didn't deliver on what was advertised. Even UPS fails to deliver sometimes. I'm not going to hold an eternal grudge against Funcom just because they pissed off many people (or even myself). I never liked AO and still don't as of 1 year ago. AoC, on the other hand, has become a very good game imo. I hated it at launch...guess what?..I stopped playing. It got pretty damned good...and guess what? I play it now and enjoy it immensely.. SImple as that . If Secret World sucks at beta or launch...I'll stop playing. If it gets better...I'll give it a go. See the pattern? The chance that it could be a good game at launch or eventually and also given the world in which it takes place..well,,,that excites me. I always have time for a tasty game....even if it takes a while to ripen. Meanwhile..there are plenty of other mmos from which to nibble.
No. Just believing that if companies or development teams make a mistake, they're not damned forever to make exactly the same mistakes over and over again, just as well as that if companies provided brilliant or innovative games in the past, they won't always stay the same forever and ever. The course companies make can change with new management - that's the very reason they change the product manager or game director with many MMO's - and development teams change as well with old talent leaving and new talent joining.
But if people want to carry out a personal grudge because all the 'harm' companies did with former games and launches, that's their privilege. If that means people won't ever play a game anymore from this or that company, fine.
Me, while at the same time keeping in mind of the companies' former successes and failures, I'll judge their upcoming games - like a TSW - by the information and videos provided, and not merely by their failures in the past.
And @Barcrow: yep, I agree :-) enough upcoming MMO's to nibble on for shorter or longer time, TSW, SW ToR, FF XIV, TERA, World of Darkness, GW2. Nomnomnom.
(I agree with the other posters, this mmorpg.com Post box is one of the clumsiest around
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
..wow I'm amazed to see you moaning about FC (any chance eh?) . Suprised you didn't bring up some AoC hate here too.
/sarcasm off.
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...Wow im amazed to see you brought something creative, constructive, intelligent, and contributing.( any chance eh?) Surprised you didnt bring up some trolling here too.
/Scarcasm off.
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are you sure your not late for a witch burning somewhere? If you need help holding your torch you might want to look elsewhere.
omg Toq I agree with your ps this is horrid I dont know what mmorpg.com did but this is lame I couldnt even edit down this to just answer this ps part its so bad I hope they fix this soon
I think that like every MMO funcom has released wait a year after launch and you will find yourself playing a gem. They never disapoint on the bare bones of game structure and graphics, but sufficient content takes a while to turn up.
I dont understand what your saying are you saying they dont have the capability and professionalism to see past mistakes and better them?
I totally agree with Scot .
Look at anarchy online it took several Game directors (* cough! Gaute * cough , Sillirion,
Means to meet players satisfaction ( mostly with a huge pull of on item grind, and the end of pseudo fantasy SL esque orientation DB - Xan ).
Look at AOC cataclysmic launch, huge lies on content and again ( hopefully gamers are not harmfull any other software company would have been class actioned for that ) : Game directors dance exit * cough Gaute *cough enter Sillirion,
the overall vision of AOC is great but some of the core mechanics realisation was horrible ... until 9 months ago.
Two Mmo release with a lot of expectation, lot of hype two failure ... and two resurrection lol
Anarchy online, Aoc , have one of the best story line i've ever seen in a mmo.
AOC music, art, animation are superb.
I think any Funcom game is like wine, the older they get, the greater their taste.
Even if in some people mouth AO is vinegar .
PS : there's still hope look at what they did with the shrines of Bori initially they weren't scheduled to launch before the expansion now they are shifted in prime, and further testing and polish is going on for the expansion.
With that move they adressed the player base number one expectation : new pvp content and they took extra time to get a smooth expansion release.
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I don't know what you are complaining about. As rule of thumb you should never pre order any MMORPG ..period. Or you will most probably end up being frustrated and disappointed. FUNCOM has made two awesome MMO, AO and AOC. So if you got fooled its your own fault.
Something get better with time so people who have no patience will always cry and complain. Nothing new.
I had lost all hope on funcom after the AoC fiasco, but seeing that they are bringing back the skill system over class, is a small ray of hope of good things.
Didn't like that the report says the game is easily solo oriented with only big bosses requiring a group, that defies the purpose of being a MMO, but to each it's own.
Now the PvP sounds something like DAoC, only in a closed area away from the PvE so it sounds like there won't be griefing, could be wrong tho, the question would be, will it be faction vs faction or guild vs guild?
This is pretty sound advice, albeit sadly so.
imho yea the hype machine they are putting behind this "the we will show you something at gdc then gdc comes and no we will only show the press" then let them force feed you 10-12 days later doesnt sit well with me but the premise of the game is refreshing and it is a different development team, I dont know how funcom works they develop and publish their own stuff not like ncsoft or ea or soe that just publish other stuff that was developed by totally different names, people dont like ncsoft or ea or soe either so go figure. AND MMORPG.COM I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU DID TO YOUR FORMATING BUT IT SUX BIG TIME AND BAD YOU WOULD HAVE EVERY KNOWN SECRETARY AND TYPIST QUIT YOUR EMPLOYMENT IF YOU LET THIS CRAP SLIDE
I'm not sure if that's what he's saying but it's exactly what I'm saying.
Funcom released AO and it was horribly broken and unfinished.
Funcom released AoC and it was horribly broken and unfinished.
Why would this time be any different? You think that they will learn from their own mistakes the third time? You have way too much faith in them.
It is FUNCOM...aka failcom, fraudcom, no-funcom...etc.
I find the visuals nice, the skill system intriguing and the story/world fascinating...and I will believe FC can deliver on ANY of it about a month after I can play it.
FC are the grand masters of hype, spin and vanishing content. Due to their track record of failure and failed promises there is simply no way this game gets the benefit of the doubt.
If they can PROVE to me that they have solved their chronic network issues, horrible instancing and that the game looks half as pretty and runs on a real computer out in the real world (and not some custom demo box attached to the server); then I'll look at buying it.
and yes, I'll say it: Funcom has NEVER had the professional cohones learn from past mistakes because their rabid fans have never made them own to their errors.
"Story is fine up until it limits your choices. For example - the story of LOTRO is essential, whereas the story of EVE is a backdrop. One reason why LOTRO is a themepark game and EVE is sandbox. Another way to put it is games give you a car to drive - if you can drive it anywhere, even off a cliff then it is sandbox, however if the car sits on tracks - no matter how many directions those tracks go - then you have themepark."
Eve has many "rails" as well. Concord, no high sec capitals, no chance to develop your own ships, the system is entirely fed by the NPC gods.
"The first is that the game is designed to be solo-friendly"
Hahahaha. Great, ANOTHER fucking WoW clone. This game will be another mediocre MMo, just like AoC or any other MMoRPG released in the last few years. Hard to believe these guys are the people who made Anarchy Online.
Sorry but not everyone believes in forced grouping. Players are allowed to solo, the only grouping and raiding should be at the end game. Also WOW is not solo friendly and has plenty of group quests. Do you even know what you are typing?
lol the witch hunters have arrived honestly i could care less what you think I see what they made Aoc and embrace the path that TSW is going so if it burns your ass im sry for your 3 year old grudge all i can say is get up move on if your grudge was that bad you wouldnt be hear crying foul or if it was and you are I am sad for you that you wasted so much time being mad and sulked for 3 years probably posting crap like this thinking your gonna get a reward maybe its time for you to move on with your life like all the wow flamers maybe you all can start a support group
This game wasnt even on my radar really but after the latest press releases I decided to take a look into it and so far it seems like something I will try and could enjoy.
Here's the thing though. They're right.
Funcom has now had a reputation for A) having terrible starts and
AO's first problem was a launch so horrific it inspires legends. I can safely say no matter how bad your worst MMO launch was, AO's was worse. Then it suffered from a lack of direction. First it was a futuristic, open-pvp game. Then it was a series of capture the waypoint battles. Then it was a psuedo-fantasy game (Shadowlands). Then they started adding PVE raiding and player made cities. I don't even know what it is now.
AoC...Was going to be revolutionary. Then they scrapped/merged half the classes, butchered parts of the lore, purposefully toned down the "M" rating by removing adult elements steadily from each patch, scaled down the original ambitious combat engine to something resembling DDR, BUTCHERED crafting...and all of that was before launch. The launch itself was laggy and horrible, and it was several months before FC would even admit to the massive memory leaks that were plaguing it. The world past a fairly low level (30ish) felt empty and unfinished, and much of the content promised on the retail box just wasn't there. They've come leaps and bounds in improving it, but the hamhanded way they handled things as well as the utter lack of communication with the playerbase caused a lot of people to lose faith and leave.
Now TSW....looks incredible. And much of what they've promised here and elsewhere looks promising. But it's not the first time FC has told us they'd do one thing then done another. I'm waiting to see myself how the "sign back up for AoC and get a garaunteed spot in the TSW beta" thing goes.
Nothing that inspires me to want to buy it really.
Sounds a bit casual and throw away on the gameplay front.
But - anything that is not traditional 'fantasy' RPG deserves at least some moral support even though this particular game isn't appealing to me at the moment.
They will have to do alot more to attract a large fanbase, their could be more information not yet released but by the looks and sounds of it, seems a bit weak.
An announcement of a cash shop would put a nail in the coffin of my interest, for now I will wait and see.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
The problem is all of us hardcore veterans have to accept that these companies aren't making games for us anymore. Games like AO, while awesome (eventually) only ever had 10-50k subs and the new 'themepark' inspired experiences sell millions and keep hundreds of thousands - no comaprison for a business.
Tiny studios like Icarus and the like (Fallen Earth) are our best bet for niche titles, but we have to stop expecting niche studios to have high production values just as much as we have to stop expecting major developrs to try for anything other than mainstream!
Personally TSW looks interesting but to me, like The Old Republic, all I see is great single player elements from a heavy story driven director and little that actually shows me much that it will be fun beyond the first 20-40 hours. I will probably buy it for those 20-40 hours and never subscribe