thats all we need...a game full of people that just act a fool. we'd have to ignore all the chat channels and not just advice =p
Lets see. Thousands of people to kill, team up with and share a game world with> Annoying global chats.
Easy choice dude unless you enjoy playing WAR with 50-100 people on each server.
I may sound a bit selfish, but i'm pretty happy with the amount of people on the Badlands server currently... and its quit a bit more than 50-100.. I speak mostly of t4 of course, but the other tiers seem to be doing pretty well, all things considered...
just need to get by this whole new weapons in the scenerio thing, so ORvR picks up again.. On a positive note, scenerios pop as fast as you can queue for them...
Happy? Do you realize T2 & t3 is virtually unplayable? Sure t1 is good due to free trials and T4 is top heavy so you have a half decent amount of people to play with but T1 and T4 isnt the entire game.
How anyone could be happy with suck a miserably low population server is beyond me.
Whats up? dont want anyone getting in the way of your tag and run pvp? Flipping keeps over and over again with no one to defend? thats a good thing?
Having Mythic cut out content is a good thing? no its freaking lame.
I'm not sure what you mean by unplayable.. At this moment Barak Var and Talabecland are both lit up on my map, with what is apparenly quite a bit of RvR... I played a T3 Engineer yesterday for a bit, and Scenerios were poping pretty consistantly...
Is that unplayable? Is it the same off peak? Probably not.. but there is little you will do about that other than experience locks...
Don't presume to know how i play my RvR, or PvP, thanks...
and, have a nice day...
WAR requires a packed server to function. Every good mechanic in the game requires a massive amount of people.
If there is no issue in T2/t3 then people wouldn't be dropping like flies.
Not everyone plays during primetime. with that said the only way to get this game back to a respectable population is through F2p. Noone is going to stick with a game that plays like a watered down single player rpg.
The only way your getting a massive amount of people in t2 and t3, is through experience locks... Even F2P isnt going to change that, because eventually, people are going to keep levelling out of those tiers. How many alts you plan on running? How many characters are you going to delete so people have a great experience in T3?
I have found T4 pretty active during off peak hours... as a matter o fact destro has been doing alarm clock raids in the morn recently, so I hear..
I think the only thing F2P will add at this point might be more servers, I don't see them adding "massive" amounts of more people to the current servers, the servers cant handle it..
Is everything peachy keen? Nope, could they add a few more people to t4? sure i suppose, but in my opinion, its pretty active.. peak, and off-peak.. Theres only four servers, so the population is compressed, but then again, I don't care all that much, i only play on one server...
They had their chance, they cocked it up. Let it die and let its player base be absorbed into other games more worthy.
Same goes for STO, AOC and CO.... just let them go and have a bigger population in the games that are fun to play.
AoC is doing pretty well now I hear.
It's doing an EVE and growing slowey but surely, granted EVE didn't have an abismal launch. Hopefully the expansion will breath life into the end game.
Anyway back on topic, I think F2P/Premium would be the way to go as this current model doesn't seem to be doing very well. I'm guessing around 100k subs, maybe even less and a rather terrible endgame that would be forgivable but it's been in this state since launch. EA probably will pull the plug when TOR hits if it hasn't already done so by then.
I personnally don't want this to happen as I hate it when any studio goes down but the game does need a reform.
No offense, but making WAR f2p would be stupid. The game is making quite a bit of money for Mythic/EA ever since they did all those job cuts. Apparently, it is doing so well that they are planning for an expansion. WAR doesn't need to go f2p, and besides - making everything based on micro-transactions would be frustrating and lame in my opinion.
Do you play WAR? On logging in you can feel that its on its last death rattle.
Actually, that's false in most cases. Tier 3 was the big offender and did drive most people away. I came back from a 2 month hiatus to see T3 revived and with a whole crapload of new players. The server I'm on, Iron Rock, had an Order-dominated server joined with it so while we ar eoutnumbered at some times, there is almost always a big battle now. Now while we don't have the 200-300 person battles now I'm perfectly happy with 100 people duking it out over a keep. I'm a die-hard Warhammer lover so I'm sort of in denial about the game's current status but it is getting better.
But don't make false accusations like "it's on its last death rattle." Frankly, that doesn't make sense because something can only have one death rattle.
No offense, but making WAR f2p would be stupid. The game is making quite a bit of money for Mythic/EA ever since they did all those job cuts. Apparently, it is doing so well that they are planning for an expansion. WAR doesn't need to go f2p, and besides - making everything based on micro-transactions would be frustrating and lame in my opinion.
This. If a game can make it as sub, that is always, always better than F2P.
No offense, but making WAR f2p would be stupid. The game is making quite a bit of money for Mythic/EA ever since they did all those job cuts. Apparently, it is doing so well that they are planning for an expansion. WAR doesn't need to go f2p, and besides - making everything based on micro-transactions would be frustrating and lame in my opinion.
Where did they say that? They only talked about expansions to the game didn't they? (the guy isn't even in MMO's, expansions to him are probably like the DLC for DAO). I didn't see an expansion anouncement.
I contacted EA trying to get another 10 day trial on the account, just to see if the game would be better than I played it in the past (ie I wanted to see T4, the endless trial doesnt have that) and the rep told me I couldn't get the 10 day trial on my existing account... So I bought LotRO for $10 and I am not looking back...
WAR needs to do F2P, I do not see myself paying $15 a month for that game in it's current condition.
I have no game specifcally in mind, I play a great many mmo's, ... but it doesnt really matter.
Let the strong get stronger, and let the weak die off.
Since WAR there has been glut of trashy "quick buck" so called "AAA" MMO's that are so bad in quality and design that its almost insulting to the entire market. Its insulting to me anyway... like going to an expensive restraunt spending a lot of money expecting to be treated to a high standard and an enjoyable time, only to be treated like trash and served food that you wouldnt feed an animal.
Such businesses fail rapidly, and yet with mmo's its customer cling on to some fantasy that it will get better or just out of sheer principle while continuly wasting away hard earned money that should be going to somewhere that will see a good return for them and for others.
I have no game specifcally in mind, I play a great many mmo's, ... but it doesnt really matter.
Let the strong get stronger, and let the weak die off.
Since WAR there has been glut of trashy "quick buck" so called "AAA" MMO's that are so bad in quality and design that its almost insulting to the entire market. Its insulting to me anyway... like going to an expensive restraunt spending a lot of money expecting to be treated to a high standard and an enjoyable time, only to be treated like trash and served food that you wouldnt feed an animal.
Such businesses fail rapidly, and yet with mmo's its customer cling on to some fantasy that it will get better or just out of sheer principle while continuly wasting away hard earned money that should be going to somewhere that will see a good return for them and for others.
Honestly, there is no MMO out there currently i find better for my PvP fix, so I play..
Will it take much to draw me away? Nope.
Do i think its going to get much better than it is right now? Nope.
But, when I have an hour to kill, and want to PvP or RvR, you can't beat it. Its still instant action (in t4) contrary to what many think.
I don't raid, I'm not big on PvE, so my dining out is somewhat limited these days. Though I do hear theres a few restraunts being built in town, and I'll certainly check them out out in the near future...
IMO there isn't another PVP based game worth playing right now so I'm sticking with WAR until it dies or something else comes out that I enjoy more and from what I can see on the horizon there isn't anything worth the time it takes to download.
I agree that the pve portion of war sucks, but I don't play it for that. I play LOTRO for my pve fix and war for pvp. Works well for me that way and that is all that matters to me.
Update: Dont say try Eve-online for PVP. I played that from beta to aug 2008 and that was more than enough sci-fi based MMO's for me to last a life time. It's a good game, but seeing nothing but the inside of a cockpit and having no real control over movement isn't something I enjoy anymore.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Sure WAR has its ups and downs but at the moment I am enjoying the EU Azgal server. It is not what it used to be but atleast I have lots of stuff to do when I log in in the evening.
They do not need to do this f2p, they need to expand the game and add lots of more fun PvP content. That is what will get this game rolling again.
Dont say try Eve-online for PVP. I played that from beta to aug 2008 and that was more than enough sci-fi based MMO's for me to last a life time. It's a good game, but seeing nothing but the inside of a cockpit and having no real control over movement isn't something I enjoy anymore.
Why do people comment on a game if they never played it before?
I mean is it cool now to say you've played all the obscure sandbox titles on this forum?
Do me a favor bro link me a screenie of eves in cockpit view ktnxbye!
I think it would ruin the game if they made it F2P.Having T1 free is enough,T4 has no problems with population,F2P games always seem to suffer from a bad comunity.Please leave it as it is.
How would the game make a lot of money going F2P?The OP sounds like he wants to play for free,so that is making EA zero money.Every game gets tons of trials going,i doubt it equates to more than a 2% turn over o subscription.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
War has perfect model for F2P. 80 ranks of renown is the biggest grind that any MMO game has ever created. It's a total disgrace to see a game beeing released with content for 40 normal lvls - and then 80!!! other levels that have ZERO content - but give better and better items.
Person that is rank 40 and renown 80 is THREE times as powerfull as a lvl 40 renown 40 - if we take the wards into account.
Its a joke to think that there are ppl out there that start WAR thinking the game is just 40 levels and then just fun PVP... its not.... But the content is only for 40 lvls... and then just "be killed for next 4 months" until you get higher renown.
I played for the first month and got to cap on a Zealot and soon quit.
I have returned and played through T1 with a few characters, then quit soon after.
Now with the free trial in T1 being infinite, I can now play forever for free in the only part of the game I like.
I think all agree with you on this one.
I will actually loose about 10 characters on my free trial account if I go sub... lol big fat chance I do that. Specially considering that I know exactly how bad the game is after T1.
Yep, T1 there is no gear grind, little play time required to become competitive, and no OP CC skills that ruin everything.
For me, T1 is the most balanced and fun PVP portion of the game. Theres no need to make the game free, since the best part already is.
The game only gets worse the farther you play. I mean its so annoying how classes go through phases of gimpness to OPness or the reverse based on the Tier. Who wants to play a PVP game where you class only gets weaker and weaker in comparison to others, or is only strong towards the cap?
I will actually loose about 10 characters on my free trial account if I go sub... lol big fat chance I do that. Specially considering that I know exactly how bad the game is after T1.
I think you should stop talking in the name of everyone, dude.
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The only way your getting a massive amount of people in t2 and t3, is through experience locks... Even F2P isnt going to change that, because eventually, people are going to keep levelling out of those tiers. How many alts you plan on running? How many characters are you going to delete so people have a great experience in T3?
I have found T4 pretty active during off peak hours... as a matter o fact destro has been doing alarm clock raids in the morn recently, so I hear..
I think the only thing F2P will add at this point might be more servers, I don't see them adding "massive" amounts of more people to the current servers, the servers cant handle it..
Is everything peachy keen? Nope, could they add a few more people to t4? sure i suppose, but in my opinion, its pretty active.. peak, and off-peak.. Theres only four servers, so the population is compressed, but then again, I don't care all that much, i only play on one server...
It's doing an EVE and growing slowey but surely, granted EVE didn't have an abismal launch. Hopefully the expansion will breath life into the end game.
Anyway back on topic, I think F2P/Premium would be the way to go as this current model doesn't seem to be doing very well. I'm guessing around 100k subs, maybe even less and a rather terrible endgame that would be forgivable but it's been in this state since launch. EA probably will pull the plug when TOR hits if it hasn't already done so by then.
I personnally don't want this to happen as I hate it when any studio goes down but the game does need a reform.
Actually, that's false in most cases. Tier 3 was the big offender and did drive most people away. I came back from a 2 month hiatus to see T3 revived and with a whole crapload of new players. The server I'm on, Iron Rock, had an Order-dominated server joined with it so while we ar eoutnumbered at some times, there is almost always a big battle now. Now while we don't have the 200-300 person battles now I'm perfectly happy with 100 people duking it out over a keep. I'm a die-hard Warhammer lover so I'm sort of in denial about the game's current status but it is getting better.
But don't make false accusations like "it's on its last death rattle." Frankly, that doesn't make sense because something can only have one death rattle.
This. If a game can make it as sub, that is always, always better than F2P.
Where did they say that? They only talked about expansions to the game didn't they? (the guy isn't even in MMO's, expansions to him are probably like the DLC for DAO). I didn't see an expansion anouncement.
I guess its my imagination that the game is half dead population wise.
I'm imagining the reduction of over 100 servers to 4.
When i try to do a PQ in t2/3 im just unable to see the other players around me as I farm stage one over and over.
It's my imagination that SC's pop only once every 45 minutes to two hours during off peak hours.
It's my imagination that Orvr is just run adn tag with no defenders.
It's my imagination that scenarios are being taken away from the game.
And its my imagination that 2/3 of the content of t1 was cut to funnel the small group of players in the game.
Yep its just me, WAR is just fine and must be doing very well.
I'm sorry for my Op. *Rolls eyes*
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Nope, its just your imagination that F2P is going to fix all that in my opinion...
All my issues with WAR are due to lack of people in the game. What will F2p do? make all four tiers as crowded as T1. That would be a good thing.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I contacted EA trying to get another 10 day trial on the account, just to see if the game would be better than I played it in the past (ie I wanted to see T4, the endless trial doesnt have that) and the rep told me I couldn't get the 10 day trial on my existing account... So I bought LotRO for $10 and I am not looking back...
WAR needs to do F2P, I do not see myself paying $15 a month for that game in it's current condition.
I have no game specifcally in mind, I play a great many mmo's, ... but it doesnt really matter.
Let the strong get stronger, and let the weak die off.
Since WAR there has been glut of trashy "quick buck" so called "AAA" MMO's that are so bad in quality and design that its almost insulting to the entire market. Its insulting to me anyway... like going to an expensive restraunt spending a lot of money expecting to be treated to a high standard and an enjoyable time, only to be treated like trash and served food that you wouldnt feed an animal.
Such businesses fail rapidly, and yet with mmo's its customer cling on to some fantasy that it will get better or just out of sheer principle while continuly wasting away hard earned money that should be going to somewhere that will see a good return for them and for others.
On top of the fact that T1 has no cost associated with it whatsoever, it also has a cap. You cant level out of T1 on the trial.
You want a crowded t2 and t3, you need an experience lock, which brings about twinks, and thats a whole other discussion...
Honestly, there is no MMO out there currently i find better for my PvP fix, so I play..
Will it take much to draw me away? Nope.
Do i think its going to get much better than it is right now? Nope.
But, when I have an hour to kill, and want to PvP or RvR, you can't beat it. Its still instant action (in t4) contrary to what many think.
I don't raid, I'm not big on PvE, so my dining out is somewhat limited these days. Though I do hear theres a few restraunts being built in town, and I'll certainly check them out out in the near future...
WAR in its current state = FAILED.
Whether F2P will help or not I don't know but soemthing needs to change to get it moving.
For those that don't know, WAR was meant to compete with WoW, hence the aabove refenece to failure.
IMO there isn't another PVP based game worth playing right now so I'm sticking with WAR until it dies or something else comes out that I enjoy more and from what I can see on the horizon there isn't anything worth the time it takes to download.
I agree that the pve portion of war sucks, but I don't play it for that. I play LOTRO for my pve fix and war for pvp. Works well for me that way and that is all that matters to me.
Update: Dont say try Eve-online for PVP. I played that from beta to aug 2008 and that was more than enough sci-fi based MMO's for me to last a life time. It's a good game, but seeing nothing but the inside of a cockpit and having no real control over movement isn't something I enjoy anymore.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Sure WAR has its ups and downs but at the moment I am enjoying the EU Azgal server. It is not what it used to be but atleast I have lots of stuff to do when I log in in the evening.
They do not need to do this f2p, they need to expand the game and add lots of more fun PvP content. That is what will get this game rolling again.
Why do people comment on a game if they never played it before?
I mean is it cool now to say you've played all the obscure sandbox titles on this forum?
Do me a favor bro link me a screenie of eves in cockpit view ktnxbye!
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I think it would ruin the game if they made it F2P.Having T1 free is enough,T4 has no problems with population,F2P games always seem to suffer from a bad comunity.Please leave it as it is.
Forget that...make DAOC free to play...the main problem with WAR to me was the lack of a third faction.
How would the game make a lot of money going F2P?The OP sounds like he wants to play for free,so that is making EA zero money.Every game gets tons of trials going,i doubt it equates to more than a 2% turn over o subscription.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
No, no, no.... WAR is a PvP game, it won't work with F2P, look at Allods for proof.
The game is doing fine as a P2P, not great, but fine, and I'd honestly have it in maintenance mode than F2P.
They've already announced they'd be adding new races and content, all we need to do is wait.
WAR will turn around!
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
War has perfect model for F2P. 80 ranks of renown is the biggest grind that any MMO game has ever created. It's a total disgrace to see a game beeing released with content for 40 normal lvls - and then 80!!! other levels that have ZERO content - but give better and better items.
Person that is rank 40 and renown 80 is THREE times as powerfull as a lvl 40 renown 40 - if we take the wards into account.
Its a joke to think that there are ppl out there that start WAR thinking the game is just 40 levels and then just fun PVP... its not.... But the content is only for 40 lvls... and then just "be killed for next 4 months" until you get higher renown.
Again - Its only free to play game.
I played for the first month and got to cap on a Zealot and soon quit.
I have returned and played through T1 with a few characters, then quit soon after.
Now with the free trial in T1 being infinite, I can now play forever for free in the only part of the game I like.
I think all agree with you on this one.
I will actually loose about 10 characters on my free trial account if I go sub... lol big fat chance I do that. Specially considering that I know exactly how bad the game is after T1.
Yep, T1 there is no gear grind, little play time required to become competitive, and no OP CC skills that ruin everything.
For me, T1 is the most balanced and fun PVP portion of the game. Theres no need to make the game free, since the best part already is.
The game only gets worse the farther you play. I mean its so annoying how classes go through phases of gimpness to OPness or the reverse based on the Tier. Who wants to play a PVP game where you class only gets weaker and weaker in comparison to others, or is only strong towards the cap?
I think you should stop talking in the name of everyone, dude.