it's so sad to see people that are flaming the devs of Mytheon for doing something to help the earth. Even if they don't have good intentions it helps in the end. If Mytheon is shut down for earth hour than maybe the players of Mytheon will shut down their computers because they have nothing to do, and in turn helping the earth.
I disagree, I don't think this has to do with any intentions of the Mytheon Developers. No one is flaming anyone for trying to help the earth either. The resulting debate on the topic has erupted because the topic is a political one and as such will always be surrounded by debate and opinions ranging from complete opposites to everything in between.
This thread only reinforces my oringal sentiment that an MMO developer has no business announcing their political views or expecting other people to par take in them. As far as the debate going on here, argueing over an internet forum will not change anyones mind. So its probably best to just agree to disagree and resume focus on the topic. Rather then bash eachother, bash the company .
Your right, it isn't going to change anyone's mind, so why are you still rambling on about ridiculous things.
I am still trying to figure out what the hell is political about trying to help the enviroment. Any person who can sit here and honestly type out that they do not believe that human beings have negatively impacted this earth have rocks in their head.
Nothing political about any of it. If a company chooses to climb on board with millions of others, for just 1 hour out of 8765 hours, 48 minutes and 36 seconds, why the hell should you care.
Tin foil hats aside, I don't really give a crap about any of this either. I put my cans in the trash instead of the roadside, and keep the lights out in rooms I am not using. That is about the extent of my enviromental heroism, but I will not degrade others who are at least TRYING to make some small dent of a difference.
Sigh, this is why I have no faith left in humanity what so ever. People like this.
EDIT - Politics are one thing, however we aren't talking about votes here, and we aren't talking about religious views, we aren't talking about sides in a war, and we aren't talking about international relations pertaining to anything negative. What was brought up was that hundreds of millions of people spanning the entire world, got together to try and conserve power consumption by switching off their power for 1 hour out of the entire year. It is ment as a good gesture, it is ment as something to bond humanity together without politics, religion, hatred, or status being involved. Something that everyone on this planet could rally behind not as nations but a planet of people trying to work together for just once in the history of man. Yet people STILL have some issue with it. WTF people seriously?
This topic isn't any less political then abortion. When you word it how ever you choose, supporting abortion comes out as murdering babies. Yet you would never see a company come out and take any stance on abortion. I'm not saying I support abortion or disagree with abortion. Just like Climate change, I'm not saying I agree we are to blame or disagree we are to blame. The climate changes anyways, this is fact, the earth has gone through cycles of warmth and ice ages throughout its existance. In the dark ages, Europe went through a mini ice age, I doubt it was because of wood burning stoves, but w/e. The point is, this is political, it is used as a political platform by people running for office. There are theorys on both sides of it and few facts inbetween.
Just like you, I recycle and turn lights out. I use energy efficient appliances and everything else. Why? recycling saves money, people pay for recycles material which means the gov't doesn't have to charge you to maintain land fills. Saving power saves you money on your electric bill. I'm an American and I'm a capitalist, and while its nice to believe these things have greater effects, it ends there as a belief. Whether true or not has yet to be proven.
In edition, if you were looking for a reason to lose faith in humanity, 70 years ago a war began that cost the lives of FIFTY FIVE MILLION (55,000,000) HUMAN BEINGS. Entire cities were wiped clean off the face of the Earth. Yet an internet forum has cause to make you lose faith in humanity.
it's so sad to see people that are flaming the devs of Mytheon for doing something to help the earth. Even if they don't have good intentions it helps in the end. If Mytheon is shut down for earth hour than maybe the players of Mytheon will shut down their computers because they have nothing to do, and in turn helping the earth.
I disagree, I don't think this has to do with any intentions of the Mytheon Developers. No one is flaming anyone for trying to help the earth either. The resulting debate on the topic has erupted because the topic is a political one and as such will always be surrounded by debate and opinions ranging from complete opposites to everything in between.
This thread only reinforces my oringal sentiment that an MMO developer has no business announcing their political views or expecting other people to par take in them. As far as the debate going on here, argueing over an internet forum will not change anyones mind. So its probably best to just agree to disagree and resume focus on the topic. Rather then bash eachother, bash the company .
Your right, it isn't going to change anyone's mind, so why are you still rambling on about ridiculous things.
I am still trying to figure out what the hell is political about trying to help the enviroment. Any person who can sit here and honestly type out that they do not believe that human beings have negatively impacted this earth have rocks in their head.
Nothing political about any of it. If a company chooses to climb on board with millions of others, for just 1 hour out of 8765 hours, 48 minutes and 36 seconds, why the hell should you care.
Tin foil hats aside, I don't really give a crap about any of this either. I put my cans in the trash instead of the roadside, and keep the lights out in rooms I am not using. That is about the extent of my enviromental heroism, but I will not degrade others who are at least TRYING to make some small dent of a difference.
Sigh, this is why I have no faith left in humanity what so ever. People like this.
EDIT - Politics are one thing, however we aren't talking about votes here, and we aren't talking about religious views, we aren't talking about sides in a war, and we aren't talking about international relations pertaining to anything negative. What was brought up was that hundreds of millions of people spanning the entire world, got together to try and conserve power consumption by switching off their power for 1 hour out of the entire year. It is ment as a good gesture, it is ment as something to bond humanity together without politics, religion, hatred, or status being involved. Something that everyone on this planet could rally behind not as nations but a planet of people trying to work together for just once in the history of man. Yet people STILL have some issue with it. WTF people seriously?
This topic isn't any less political then abortion. When you word it how ever you choose, supporting abortion comes out as murdering babies. Yet you would never see a company come out and take any stance on abortion. I'm not saying I support abortion or disagree with abortion. Just like Climate change, I'm not saying I agree we are to blame or disagree we are to blame. The climate changes anyways, this is fact, the earth has gone through cycles of warmth and ice ages throughout its existance. In the dark ages, Europe went through a mini ice age, I doubt it was because of wood burning stoves, but w/e. The point is, this is political, it is used as a political platform by people running for office. There are theorys on both sides of it and few facts inbetween.
Just like you, I recycle and turn lights out. I use energy efficient appliances and everything else. Why? recycling saves money, people pay for recycles material which means the gov't doesn't have to charge you to maintain land fills. Saving power saves you money on your electric bill. I'm an American and I'm a capitalist, and while its nice to believe these things have greater effects, it ends there as a belief. Whether true or not has yet to be proven.
In edition, if you were looking for a reason to lose faith in humanity, 70 years ago a war began that cost the lives of FIFTY FIVE MILLION (55,000,000) HUMAN BEINGS. Entire cities were wiped clean off the face of the Earth. Yet an internet forum has cause to make you lose faith in humanity.
Never had faith in humanity since birth. Things like this just makes you remember why you lost it to begin with.
Humans are a parasitic disease on this world. Eating away at it and devoring everything in our path.
I often find myself saying this out loud when playing some MMO's. "Man this game would be great if it didn't have any people in it."
Same for the earth. The earth would be a wonderful place if it didn't have people on it. Anyway while I sit and wait for us (humans) to destroy ourseves either through war or enviromental disaster, the forums are as good a place as any to wait.
it's so sad to see people that are flaming the devs of Mytheon for doing something to help the earth. Even if they don't have good intentions it helps in the end. If Mytheon is shut down for earth hour than maybe the players of Mytheon will shut down their computers because they have nothing to do, and in turn helping the earth.
I disagree, I don't think this has to do with any intentions of the Mytheon Developers. No one is flaming anyone for trying to help the earth either. The resulting debate on the topic has erupted because the topic is a political one and as such will always be surrounded by debate and opinions ranging from complete opposites to everything in between.
This thread only reinforces my oringal sentiment that an MMO developer has no business announcing their political views or expecting other people to par take in them. As far as the debate going on here, argueing over an internet forum will not change anyones mind. So its probably best to just agree to disagree and resume focus on the topic. Rather then bash eachother, bash the company .
Your right, it isn't going to change anyone's mind, so why are you still rambling on about ridiculous things.
I am still trying to figure out what the hell is political about trying to help the enviroment. Any person who can sit here and honestly type out that they do not believe that human beings have negatively impacted this earth have rocks in their head.
Nothing political about any of it. If a company chooses to climb on board with millions of others, for just 1 hour out of 8765 hours, 48 minutes and 36 seconds, why the hell should you care.
Tin foil hats aside, I don't really give a crap about any of this either. I put my cans in the trash instead of the roadside, and keep the lights out in rooms I am not using. That is about the extent of my enviromental heroism, but I will not degrade others who are at least TRYING to make some small dent of a difference.
Sigh, this is why I have no faith left in humanity what so ever. People like this.
EDIT - Politics are one thing, however we aren't talking about votes here, and we aren't talking about religious views, we aren't talking about sides in a war, and we aren't talking about international relations pertaining to anything negative. What was brought up was that hundreds of millions of people spanning the entire world, got together to try and conserve power consumption by switching off their power for 1 hour out of the entire year. It is ment as a good gesture, it is ment as something to bond humanity together without politics, religion, hatred, or status being involved. Something that everyone on this planet could rally behind not as nations but a planet of people trying to work together for just once in the history of man. Yet people STILL have some issue with it. WTF people seriously?
This topic isn't any less political then abortion. When you word it how ever you choose, supporting abortion comes out as murdering babies. Yet you would never see a company come out and take any stance on abortion. I'm not saying I support abortion or disagree with abortion. Just like Climate change, I'm not saying I agree we are to blame or disagree we are to blame. The climate changes anyways, this is fact, the earth has gone through cycles of warmth and ice ages throughout its existance. In the dark ages, Europe went through a mini ice age, I doubt it was because of wood burning stoves, but w/e. The point is, this is political, it is used as a political platform by people running for office. There are theorys on both sides of it and few facts inbetween.
Just like you, I recycle and turn lights out. I use energy efficient appliances and everything else. Why? recycling saves money, people pay for recycles material which means the gov't doesn't have to charge you to maintain land fills. Saving power saves you money on your electric bill. I'm an American and I'm a capitalist, and while its nice to believe these things have greater effects, it ends there as a belief. Whether true or not has yet to be proven.
In edition, if you were looking for a reason to lose faith in humanity, 70 years ago a war began that cost the lives of FIFTY FIVE MILLION (55,000,000) HUMAN BEINGS. Entire cities were wiped clean off the face of the Earth. Yet an internet forum has cause to make you lose faith in humanity.
Never had faith in humanity since birth. Things like this just makes you remember why you lost it to begin with.
Humans are a parasitic disease on this world. Eating away at it and devoring everything in our path.
I often find myself saying this outload when playing some MMO's. "Man this game would be great if it didn't have any people in it."
Same for the earth. The earth would be a wonderful place if it didn't have people on it. Anyway while I sit and wait for us (humans) to destroy ourseves either through war or enviromental disaster, the forums are as good a place as any to wait.
That is pure speculation, without humans cutting down forests and building dams the world would be an entirely different place, but not nessecarily better. With forests spread across the entire planet, 1 fire could have the potential to turn an entire continent into a desolate fiery waste land. Without drilling for oil, pressure could build up, combined with thermal energy causing massive explosions of gasses under the surface, splitting breaking continents and deforming the face of the planet.
With out humans, the planet could also become a utopian paradise, however with out the intellect of humans, there would be no one to appreciate its beauty and enjoy it, trust me, the animals wouldn't be able to tell the difference and they have the same instincts as humans, we're just more advanced.
As far as MMO's being better without people, you do realize there are single player games, and if someone is forcing you to play an MMO at gun point, give us a hint and we'll let the cops know.
In general you sound a bit down, maybe depressed. Think happy thoughts, and if believing you can make the world a better place by turning out the lights makes you feel better, then please do so. Just dont run a company and tell other people to believe it too.
97% of the world's scientist who are monitoring climate change and global warming are in agreeance that Humans are playing a serious role. Hired Petroleum Geologists and Meteorologists are among the only doubters, with 47% and 64% respectively that believe in actual Human involvement. I wonder why.
I'm not sure what agenda some of you have here, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt considering this is a site for video gamers and at that, of a specific genre.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
97% of the world's scientist who are monitoring climate change and global warming are in agreeance that Humans are playing a serious role. Hired Petroleum Geologists and Meteorologists are among the only doubters, with 47% and 64% respectively that believe in actual Human involvement. I wonder why.
I'm not sure what agenda some of you have here, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt considering this is a site for video gamers and at that, of a specific genre.
Seriously?
I thought it was the other way around.
97% were in agreement there was a warming trend but only about 3% actually believed it was man induced warming.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
97% of the world's scientist who are monitoring climate change and global warming are in agreeance that Humans are playing a serious role. Hired Petroleum Geologists and Meteorologists are among the only doubters, with 47% and 64% respectively that believe in actual Human involvement. I wonder why.
I'm not sure what agenda some of you have here, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt considering this is a site for video gamers and at that, of a specific genre.
I read that as 3% of people monitoring climate change disagree with it and as such should find a new field of study because they basically are wasting their life on something they dont believe in! Just like 97% of people that are here, probably like MMOs to some degree.
As far as my agenda here, I think its absolutely disgusting that game developers are taking a stance on something entirely political with no relation to gaming what-so-ever. Even further so that they are asking other people, potential fans and customers to share their beliefs. I'd say the same if an MMO developer told me to join them at church on sunday.
I wasn't aware you had to be of a certain political view to respect the environment and realize that what resources we've got here aren't going to last forever. In fact, I thought that was just something common sense could tell a person.
Common sense tells me that turning everything I own off for an hour isn't going to change diddly.
Climate change is true. Legitimate sources saying that *mankind* has significantly impacted climate change is false. If people could just understand those two statements then climate change wouldn't be that confusing.
Turn off your lights to save natural resources, energy and money, but don't believe that your efforts are necessarily impacting climate change. Or be optimistic and do it anyway.
The problem I have is the difference between conservationist and environmentalist.
I belive in conservation. --> Conserve as much of the natural resources as possible for future generations to have and admire.
I do not like environmentalism which wants everything to be natural. As if Man on this earth was not natural? What, did we come from another planet? Space Aliens come in and dump their toxic human waste onto the earth? Pack humans into square sardine cans so the little brown owl can have its freedom? Seriously. Life feeds on life feeds on life. This is necessary.
Yet the self same people will want to send aid to people living in areas that CANNOT support the local populations. I just do not get it. If the resources in an area cannot support the natural population of people in the area. Dumping money and technology on the people in the area is more of an environmental waste than ANYTHING I could do. Hell, let the animals move back in there.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
97% of the world's scientist who are monitoring climate change and global warming are in agreeance that Humans are playing a serious role. Hired Petroleum Geologists and Meteorologists are among the only doubters, with 47% and 64% respectively that believe in actual Human involvement. I wonder why.
I'm not sure what agenda some of you have here, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt considering this is a site for video gamers and at that, of a specific genre.
Seriously?
I thought it was the other way around.
97% were in agreement there was a warming trend but only about 3% actually believed it was man induced warming.
Nope, those are the correct numbers. And I know it's overwhelming isn't it?
The "warming trend" is completely normal for this planet, it's our additional contribution that's the problem.
Believe me, I wish you were right man and it was the other way around.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
97% of the world's scientist who are monitoring climate change and global warming are in agreeance that Humans are playing a serious role. Hired Petroleum Geologists and Meteorologists are among the only doubters, with 47% and 64% respectively that believe in actual Human involvement. I wonder why.
I'm not sure what agenda some of you have here, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt considering this is a site for video gamers and at that, of a specific genre.
Seriously?
I thought it was the other way around.
97% were in agreement there was a warming trend but only about 3% actually believed it was man induced warming.
This is right.
Climate change has existed long before man was burning fossil fuel. Climate change on both extremes is a natural and long process. I'm sure man affects this in some small percentage but as stated before the non-biased scientific community agrees that mankinds impact on climate change is negligible at best.
Many people still cling to this idea that we have too much smoke in the atmosphere and its incubating us. There is a lot more to climate change than that and about 95% of it is natural causes.
I am super happy for you that everything is fine and dandy over there in the good ole UK. Where I live things are not so comfy. Many of my friends who live in the extreme North of Canada are no longer able to continue their way of life as the climate has been changing. Many have simply moved more South to avoid the drastic changes to the environment (don't even bring up the Polar Bears you don't know what you're talking about). Where I am specifically the Lakes have been freezing much later and thawing even sooner. In case you are unaware this fucks up the ecosystem tremendously. This is a just a tiny sample of what we have been experiencing. The list is gigantic.
I have been an outdoorsman my entire life. I notice even the littlest of things. Let's just say that the changes in the last decade are not just the little things. The climate on Earth has changed many times throughout it's existence, however our contribution this time around is more than just a little damaging. Believe it or not certain Arctic Shipping lanes are now being run for almost a month later in the spring because of the changes.
This Planet is all we have, can you not find it in yourself to give a shit. It's not much to ask.
Would these be the same polar bears that the inuit have been saying are out in greater numbers than they have been in years? Remember the inuit? Yeah, those funny little fellows that that have been living in the North longer than the pale skinned invaders even knew there was a fresh continent to exploit.
If you're finished with your histrionics, the planet has undergone ecological changes for billions of years, and will continue to do so with or without the foolishness of "earth hour". Do you really believe that the northwest passage has been icelocked since the earth first cooled, several billion years ago? Or that the Aleutian islands weren't at one time the Aleutian mountain range. Yes, all these monumental changes took places before the first can of hairspray was ever used to turn a beehive hair-do into a piece of sculpture.
Participate if you wish (lord knows there's a multiitude of other dim-bulbs who will be joining you in the dark), but have the common sense to realize that the planet doesn't give a flying fox fart whether or not you spend an hour sitting in the dark like a caveman who hasn't yet mastered the ability to tame fire. Those who engage in this silliness are only doing so to assuage their own guilt-ridden consciences for having the extreme audacity to be born in a technologically advanced society. Or they're engaged in a marketing campaign.
If you were actually serious about this nonsense, you'd be living out on the tundra in a lean-to, eating grass (so as not to have an environmental impact on the seal and caribou population) and clothing yourself in woven arctic cotton grass. You can figure out how to post on the intranet without electricity on your own. Maybe a carrier pigeon would help?
The problem I have is the difference between conservationist and environmentalist.
I belive in conservation. --> Conserve as much of the natural resources as possible for future generations to have and admire.
I do not like environmentalism which wants everything to be natural. As if Man on this earth was not natural? What, did we come from another planet? Space Aliens come in and dump their toxic human waste onto the earth? Pack humans into square sardine cans so the little brown owl can have its freedom? Seriously. Life feeds on life feeds on life. This is necessary.
Yet the self same people will want to send aid to people living in areas that CANNOT support the local populations. I just do not get it. If the resources in an area cannot support the natural population of people in the area. Dumping money and technology on the people in the area is more of an environmental waste than ANYTHING I could do. Hell, let the animals move back in there.
Humans are natural. However we started to become a problem when we began using a very dangerous system of agriculture (which we still fundamentally use to this day). Not only did this limit the nutrients returned to the soil but it also commenced the slow process of Desertification. Mass transportation (starting with horses 6000 years ago) only helped this new technology spread around the world even faster. I'm not even going to get into the issue of the quantity of methane gas release from the gargantuan amount of beef currently being raised to feed our ridiculous population.
If you take this into account combined with the Industrial era of the past and our current output of Carbon Dioxide, it's just too much for this little planet. If we didn't feel the need to reproduce like insects though, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion. And really, I'm only scratching the surface here.
As to your last paragraph, I can't say I disagree. If a specific Country or Region does not have the ressources to support Human life, then they should not be living there. Giving money or food to people in this situation is akin to putting fuel on a fire. It's completely irresponsible, and people should know better.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Would these be the same polar bears that the inuit have been saying are out in greater numbers than they have been in years? Remember the inuit? Yeah, those funny little fellows that that have been living in the North longer than the pale skinned invaders even knew there was a fresh continent to exploit.
If you're finished with your histrionics, the planet has undergone ecological changes for billions of years, and will continue to do so with or without the foolishness of "earth hour". Do you really believe that the northwest passage has been icelocked since the earth first cooled, several billion years ago? Or that the Aleutian islands weren't at one time the Aleutian mountain range. Yes, all these monumental changes took places before the first can of hairspray was ever used to turn a beehive hair-do into a piece of sculpture.
Participate if you wish (lord knows there's a multiitude of other dim-bulbs who will be joining you in the dark), but have the common sense to realize that the planet doesn't give a flying fox fart whether or not you spend an hour sitting in the dark like a caveman who hasn't yet mastered the ability to tame fire. Those who engage in this silliness are only doing so to assuage their own guilt-ridden consciences for having the extreme audacity to be born in a technologically advanced society. Or they're engaged in a marketing campaign.
If you were actually serious about this nonsense, you'd be living out on the tundra in a lean-to, eating grass (so as not to have an environmental impact on the seal and caribou population) and clothing yourself in woven arctic cotton grass. You can figure out how to post on the intranet without electricity on your own. Maybe a carrier pigeon would help?
I posted here not to convince people to participate in "Earth hour" or whatever, I was just trying to pull a few Ostrich necks out of the sand. The ignorance on this planet is sometimes shocking to me (yup, I should know better), however I do expect it on this site in spades. What was I thinking getting myself involved in this thread.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I don't think global warming is a scam, because, for a fact, we don't really know enough to state anything about it. There is no scientific concencus, there are a lot of problems with the measuring models, there are leaked e-mails about non-disclosing scientific information (which is in fact illegal, according to the freedom of information act ) ... etc.
Both POLITICAL sides have something to lose:
1. Carbon based people would lose money, in a way every idiot could grasp
but
2. R&D in to global warming is enormous, millions of jobs depend on it, politicians' credits are at stake, and it's a beurocracy. Anyone who ever finished their twelve grades know, that sooner or later the beurocracy's main objective, is to keep itself going. Think about it for a second. Al Gore and other "holier than thou" hypocrites have very much to win indeed with this political hysteria.
Science is about debates, with each party having the scientific effing DUTY to argue, and listen to counter arguments, then arrive at a concencus. Arguments about this NEVER TOOK PLACE. Jut political rallies, movements ... etc. People treat this thematic religiously, while they couldn't count to 150 eve if they really tried. I don't know the science behind it, I admit. Not one single person knows enough to make even a smart guess here on this board. In fact, few scientist on this world even dare admit, that not even the scientific community knows for sure. The leaked e-mails of climategate prove, that the "leading climate science research unit" is effing lost, they have no effing clue.
What I can comment about is the social aspect. And that I just did. Every single one of you, who buys in to the political side of the global warming hysteria are simply a resourse for the political side, who has stuff to gain from it. It's that simple.
Also, most importantly, the reason the developers did this is simple: free advertisement.
Climate fantics (coming from one side, or the other) are religious about getting the word around the interwebs. So what did this smartish company do? Turn their lights off and go have beer, while slaves like the afore mentioned fanatics spread the word around about " oooh... a company that cares".
It's astonishing, how many people fall for this rubbish.
I don't think global warming is a scam, because, for a fact, we don't really know enough to state anything about it. There is no scientific concencus, there are a lot of problems with the measuring models, there are leaked e-mails about non-disclosing scientific information (which is in fact illegal, according to the freedom of information act ) ... etc.
Both POLITICAL sides have something to lose:
1. Carbon based people would lose money, in a way every idiot could grasp
but
2. R&D in to global warming is enormous, millions of jobs depend on it, politicians' credits are at stake, and it's a beurocracy. Anyone who ever finished their twelve grades know, that sooner or later the beurocracy's main objective, is to keep itself going. Think about it for a second. Al Gore and other "holier than thou" hypocrites have very much to win indeed with this political hysteria.
Science is about debates, with each party having the scientific effing DUTY to argue, and listen to counter arguments, then arrive at a concencus. Arguments about this NEVER TOOK PLACE. Jut political rallies, movements ... etc. People treat this thematic religiously, while they couldn't count to 150 eve if they really tried. I don't know the science behind it, I admit. Not one single person knows enough to make even a smart guess here on this board. In fact, few scientist on this world even dare admit, that not even the scientific community knows for sure. The leaked e-mails of climategate prove, that the "leading climate science research unit" is effing lost, they have no effing clue.
What I can comment about is the social aspect. And that I just did. Every single one of you, who buys in to the political side of the global warming hysteria are simply a resourse for the political side, who has stuff to gain from it. It's that simple.
Of course, Politicians are going to be involved with anything that involves money and power. They cling to it like that last bit of dog shit on a puppy's ass. Cool, but if you take them out of the equation you don't take away the problem that remains. It is unfortunate though that we will have to "get around them" in order to resolve the problem.
And Al Gore? This man was learning about Climate change from the pioneers long before he became any kind of politician. Sometimes I think his documentary might have done more harm than good. I really don't know how/why he pissed so many people off.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Haha, nice. As long as their customers don't mind, I suppose. I know I sure would. I pay to play, not to watch the company "go green." Honestly, I'm all for keepin' the planet clean. Recycle (which is just common sense, as long as the recycling is efficient and productive), cleaning up excessive industrial waste/trash, etc. I guess I'm in the middle of the environmentalist spectrum, ranging from the "I-Don't-Give-A-Shit" bums to the "I-Worship-Mother-Nature" nutjobs.
While I'm hesitant to use the word "hoax," I think Global Warming (whoops, they have to call it Climate Change now because this last winter was one of the coldest in history) is overexaggerated. I can't deny that people are making lots of money from the hysteria, though thankfully it has seemed to die down over the last couple of years as more people see the truth. No one is going to tell me to switch to different lightbulbs when they have mercury in them. No one is going to tell me how much I can drive or how much CO2 I can emit every day. I don't think it'll ever get that bad, but you never know, right?
Ah, whatever. Let the enviro-nuts dance around and kiss the dirt, as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
Haha, nice. As long as their customers don't mind, I suppose. I know I sure would. I pay to play, not to watch the company "go green." Honestly, I'm all for keepin' the planet clean. Recycle (which is just common sense, as long as the recycling is efficient and productive), cleaning up excessive industrial waste/trash, etc. I guess I'm in the middle of the environmentalist spectrum, ranging from the "I-Don't-Give-A-Shit" bums to the "I-Worship-Mother-Nature" nutjobs.
While I'm hesitant to use the word "hoax," I think Global Warming (whoops, they have to call it Climate Change now because this last winter was one of the coldest in history) is overexaggerated. I can't deny that people are making lots of money from the hysteria, though thankfully it has seemed to die down over the last couple of years as more people see the truth. No one is going to tell me to switch to different lightbulbs when they have mercury in them. No one is going to tell me how much I can drive or how much CO2 I can emit every day. I don't think it'll ever get that bad, but you never know, right?
Ah, whatever. Let the enviro-nuts dance around and kiss the dirt, as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
You see that's what I hate about living in this period of history. It's ok for you to make comments like that, but if I were to refer to your Christianity in the same manner I'd be banned faster than I could hit "Post Message".
Pity people didn't take their planet as seriously as they do millennia-old books written by people who believed the Earth was flat.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Haha, nice. As long as their customers don't mind, I suppose. I know I sure would. I pay to play, not to watch the company "go green." Honestly, I'm all for keepin' the planet clean. Recycle (which is just common sense, as long as the recycling is efficient and productive), cleaning up excessive industrial waste/trash, etc. I guess I'm in the middle of the environmentalist spectrum, ranging from the "I-Don't-Give-A-Shit" bums to the "I-Worship-Mother-Nature" nutjobs.
While I'm hesitant to use the word "hoax," I think Global Warming (whoops, they have to call it Climate Change now because this last winter was one of the coldest in history) is overexaggerated. I can't deny that people are making lots of money from the hysteria, though thankfully it has seemed to die down over the last couple of years as more people see the truth. No one is going to tell me to switch to different lightbulbs when they have mercury in them. No one is going to tell me how much I can drive or how much CO2 I can emit every day. I don't think it'll ever get that bad, but you never know, right?
Ah, whatever. Let the enviro-nuts dance around and kiss the dirt, as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
You see that's what I hate about living in this period of history. It's ok for you to make comments like that, but if I were to refer to your Christianity in the same manner I'd be banned faster than I could hit "Post Message".
Pity people didn't take their planet as seriously as they do millennia-old books written by people who believed the Earth was flat.
This is the Internet, AKA Atheist Sanctuary. It's cool, I know this is the place for science and logic. God never said being Christian would be easy, so I have to put up with the crap. But it's okay, because deep down I know most of you guys are pretty cool people. We all like MMOs, at the very least. I just hope you feel the same way about my environmental views.
It's sad, though, that we're comparing environmentalism to religion. You make them sound quite similar, and around here, I thought religion was bad... /shrug.
Haha, nice. As long as their customers don't mind, I suppose. I know I sure would. I pay to play, not to watch the company "go green." Honestly, I'm all for keepin' the planet clean. Recycle (which is just common sense, as long as the recycling is efficient and productive), cleaning up excessive industrial waste/trash, etc. I guess I'm in the middle of the environmentalist spectrum, ranging from the "I-Don't-Give-A-Shit" bums to the "I-Worship-Mother-Nature" nutjobs.
While I'm hesitant to use the word "hoax," I think Global Warming (whoops, they have to call it Climate Change now because this last winter was one of the coldest in history) is overexaggerated. I can't deny that people are making lots of money from the hysteria, though thankfully it has seemed to die down over the last couple of years as more people see the truth. No one is going to tell me to switch to different lightbulbs when they have mercury in them. No one is going to tell me how much I can drive or how much CO2 I can emit every day. I don't think it'll ever get that bad, but you never know, right?
Ah, whatever. Let the enviro-nuts dance around and kiss the dirt, as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
You see that's what I hate about living in this period of history. It's ok for you to make comments like that, but if I were to refer to your Christianity in the same manner I'd be banned faster than I could hit "Post Message".
Pity people didn't take their planet as seriously as they do millennia-old books written by people who believed the Earth was flat.
Ah, whatever. Let the jesus/god/religious/Christian-nuts dance around and kiss the bible as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
And with the above revised statement, let everyone else with their beliefes do as they please, dont force your beliefs on others. And dont let game companies try to force their beliefs, whether political or religious or otherwise on us.
As for your second silly comment, I dont think anyone really takes that seriously, you assumption that people thought the world was flat is rather inaccurate.
Ah, whatever. Let the jesus/god/religious/Christian-nuts dance around and kiss the bible as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
And with the above revised statement, let everyone else with their beliefes do as they please, dont force your beliefs on others. And dont let game companies try to force their beliefs, whether political or religious or otherwise on us.
As for your second silly comment, I dont think anyone really takes that seriously, you assumption that people thought the world was flat is rather inaccurate.
LOL. Yes many of the more advanced cultures of the time believed the Earth was flat. Not every culture no, but that really wasn't my point.
P.S. "letting everyone else with their beliefs do as they please" with 1 Billion people on an unglobalized world is one thing, doing so on a globalized world with near 7 Billion people is another thing entirely. We could have saved ourselves so much trouble if we had just exercised a little population control many years ago (not the way the Chinese did it). But we just couldn't help ourselves and still can't. Everyone's entitled right?
EDIT: I'm stopping now as to avoid a ban for thread-hijacking, sorry mods I got carried away I think.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Climate change or no climate change, what is a fact is that oil is a finite resource that we will one day run out of. Even if using it is not changing our climate, isn't it still worthwhile to conserve?
The evidence is everywhere if you care to look for it.
Yes.. Evidence can be found to prove or disprove anything if you search hard enough for it...
I can't wait until there is a study that says wind power slightly lessens the force of the wind and is causing birds to not migrate or that solar power is actually absorbing all the heat that would keep the earth warm and we'll soon be headed to a new iceage...
P.S. "Climate Change Issues" is very political. If you don't think so look at the "solutions" that are proposed and how they relate to giving a world government the power to regulate nations, redistribute wealth and make social policies.
You hit the nail on the head right here. The hysteria is being generated to institute large scale wealth transfers and a socialist agenda. Most of the green bills are like watermelons green on the outside and communist red in the middle. If they were really concerned about global warming they would come up with ways to actually cool the earth that did not involve raising taxes. If the enemy is temperature why not deploy orbital deflectors, or white plastic sheeting in desert areas to reflect the sun's energy away from the planet?
Haha, nice. As long as their customers don't mind, I suppose. I know I sure would. I pay to play, not to watch the company "go green." Honestly, I'm all for keepin' the planet clean. Recycle (which is just common sense, as long as the recycling is efficient and productive), cleaning up excessive industrial waste/trash, etc. I guess I'm in the middle of the environmentalist spectrum, ranging from the "I-Don't-Give-A-Shit" bums to the "I-Worship-Mother-Nature" nutjobs.
While I'm hesitant to use the word "hoax," I think Global Warming (whoops, they have to call it Climate Change now because this last winter was one of the coldest in history) is overexaggerated. I can't deny that people are making lots of money from the hysteria, though thankfully it has seemed to die down over the last couple of years as more people see the truth. No one is going to tell me to switch to different lightbulbs when they have mercury in them. No one is going to tell me how much I can drive or how much CO2 I can emit every day. I don't think it'll ever get that bad, but you never know, right?
Ah, whatever. Let the enviro-nuts dance around and kiss the dirt, as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
You see that's what I hate about living in this period of history. It's ok for you to make comments like that, but if I were to refer to your Christianity in the same manner I'd be banned faster than I could hit "Post Message".
Pity people didn't take their planet as seriously as they do millennia-old books written by people who believed the Earth was flat.
You just did refer to Christinaity in the same manner. I guess it's ok because you believe in climate change.
it's so sad to see people that are flaming the devs of Mytheon for doing something to help the earth. Even if they don't have good intentions it helps in the end. If Mytheon is shut down for earth hour than maybe the players of Mytheon will shut down their computers because they have nothing to do, and in turn helping the earth.
I disagree, I don't think this has to do with any intentions of the Mytheon Developers. No one is flaming anyone for trying to help the earth either. The resulting debate on the topic has erupted because the topic is a political one and as such will always be surrounded by debate and opinions ranging from complete opposites to everything in between.
This thread only reinforces my oringal sentiment that an MMO developer has no business announcing their political views or expecting other people to par take in them. As far as the debate going on here, argueing over an internet forum will not change anyones mind. So its probably best to just agree to disagree and resume focus on the topic. Rather then bash eachother, bash the company .
Your right, it isn't going to change anyone's mind, so why are you still rambling on about ridiculous things.
I am still trying to figure out what the hell is political about trying to help the enviroment. Any person who can sit here and honestly type out that they do not believe that human beings have negatively impacted this earth have rocks in their head.
Nothing political about any of it. If a company chooses to climb on board with millions of others, for just 1 hour out of 8765 hours, 48 minutes and 36 seconds, why the hell should you care.
Tin foil hats aside, I don't really give a crap about any of this either. I put my cans in the trash instead of the roadside, and keep the lights out in rooms I am not using. That is about the extent of my enviromental heroism, but I will not degrade others who are at least TRYING to make some small dent of a difference.
Sigh, this is why I have no faith left in humanity what so ever. People like this.
EDIT - Politics are one thing, however we aren't talking about votes here, and we aren't talking about religious views, we aren't talking about sides in a war, and we aren't talking about international relations pertaining to anything negative. What was brought up was that hundreds of millions of people spanning the entire world, got together to try and conserve power consumption by switching off their power for 1 hour out of the entire year. It is ment as a good gesture, it is ment as something to bond humanity together without politics, religion, hatred, or status being involved. Something that everyone on this planet could rally behind not as nations but a planet of people trying to work together for just once in the history of man. Yet people STILL have some issue with it. WTF people seriously?
This topic isn't any less political then abortion. When you word it how ever you choose, supporting abortion comes out as murdering babies. Yet you would never see a company come out and take any stance on abortion. I'm not saying I support abortion or disagree with abortion. Just like Climate change, I'm not saying I agree we are to blame or disagree we are to blame. The climate changes anyways, this is fact, the earth has gone through cycles of warmth and ice ages throughout its existance. In the dark ages, Europe went through a mini ice age, I doubt it was because of wood burning stoves, but w/e. The point is, this is political, it is used as a political platform by people running for office. There are theorys on both sides of it and few facts inbetween.
Just like you, I recycle and turn lights out. I use energy efficient appliances and everything else. Why? recycling saves money, people pay for recycles material which means the gov't doesn't have to charge you to maintain land fills. Saving power saves you money on your electric bill. I'm an American and I'm a capitalist, and while its nice to believe these things have greater effects, it ends there as a belief. Whether true or not has yet to be proven.
In edition, if you were looking for a reason to lose faith in humanity, 70 years ago a war began that cost the lives of FIFTY FIVE MILLION (55,000,000) HUMAN BEINGS. Entire cities were wiped clean off the face of the Earth. Yet an internet forum has cause to make you lose faith in humanity.
Never had faith in humanity since birth. Things like this just makes you remember why you lost it to begin with.
Humans are a parasitic disease on this world. Eating away at it and devoring everything in our path.
I often find myself saying this out loud when playing some MMO's. "Man this game would be great if it didn't have any people in it."
Same for the earth. The earth would be a wonderful place if it didn't have people on it. Anyway while I sit and wait for us (humans) to destroy ourseves either through war or enviromental disaster, the forums are as good a place as any to wait.
That would include you. Kill yourself and save the planet. With your amoral attitude towards people, I doubt anyone would miss you.
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This topic isn't any less political then abortion. When you word it how ever you choose, supporting abortion comes out as murdering babies. Yet you would never see a company come out and take any stance on abortion. I'm not saying I support abortion or disagree with abortion. Just like Climate change, I'm not saying I agree we are to blame or disagree we are to blame. The climate changes anyways, this is fact, the earth has gone through cycles of warmth and ice ages throughout its existance. In the dark ages, Europe went through a mini ice age, I doubt it was because of wood burning stoves, but w/e. The point is, this is political, it is used as a political platform by people running for office. There are theorys on both sides of it and few facts inbetween.
Just like you, I recycle and turn lights out. I use energy efficient appliances and everything else. Why? recycling saves money, people pay for recycles material which means the gov't doesn't have to charge you to maintain land fills. Saving power saves you money on your electric bill. I'm an American and I'm a capitalist, and while its nice to believe these things have greater effects, it ends there as a belief. Whether true or not has yet to be proven.
In edition, if you were looking for a reason to lose faith in humanity, 70 years ago a war began that cost the lives of FIFTY FIVE MILLION (55,000,000) HUMAN BEINGS. Entire cities were wiped clean off the face of the Earth. Yet an internet forum has cause to make you lose faith in humanity.
Never had faith in humanity since birth. Things like this just makes you remember why you lost it to begin with.
Humans are a parasitic disease on this world. Eating away at it and devoring everything in our path.
I often find myself saying this out loud when playing some MMO's. "Man this game would be great if it didn't have any people in it."
Same for the earth. The earth would be a wonderful place if it didn't have people on it. Anyway while I sit and wait for us (humans) to destroy ourseves either through war or enviromental disaster, the forums are as good a place as any to wait.
That is pure speculation, without humans cutting down forests and building dams the world would be an entirely different place, but not nessecarily better. With forests spread across the entire planet, 1 fire could have the potential to turn an entire continent into a desolate fiery waste land. Without drilling for oil, pressure could build up, combined with thermal energy causing massive explosions of gasses under the surface, splitting breaking continents and deforming the face of the planet.
With out humans, the planet could also become a utopian paradise, however with out the intellect of humans, there would be no one to appreciate its beauty and enjoy it, trust me, the animals wouldn't be able to tell the difference and they have the same instincts as humans, we're just more advanced.
As far as MMO's being better without people, you do realize there are single player games, and if someone is forcing you to play an MMO at gun point, give us a hint and we'll let the cops know.
In general you sound a bit down, maybe depressed. Think happy thoughts, and if believing you can make the world a better place by turning out the lights makes you feel better, then please do so. Just dont run a company and tell other people to believe it too.
97% of the world's scientist who are monitoring climate change and global warming are in agreeance that Humans are playing a serious role. Hired Petroleum Geologists and Meteorologists are among the only doubters, with 47% and 64% respectively that believe in actual Human involvement. I wonder why.
I'm not sure what agenda some of you have here, but I'm taking it all with a grain of salt considering this is a site for video gamers and at that, of a specific genre.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Seriously?
I thought it was the other way around.
97% were in agreement there was a warming trend but only about 3% actually believed it was man induced warming.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
I read that as 3% of people monitoring climate change disagree with it and as such should find a new field of study because they basically are wasting their life on something they dont believe in! Just like 97% of people that are here, probably like MMOs to some degree.
As far as my agenda here, I think its absolutely disgusting that game developers are taking a stance on something entirely political with no relation to gaming what-so-ever. Even further so that they are asking other people, potential fans and customers to share their beliefs. I'd say the same if an MMO developer told me to join them at church on sunday.
Common sense tells me that turning everything I own off for an hour isn't going to change diddly.
The problem I have is the difference between conservationist and environmentalist.
I belive in conservation. --> Conserve as much of the natural resources as possible for future generations to have and admire.
I do not like environmentalism which wants everything to be natural. As if Man on this earth was not natural? What, did we come from another planet? Space Aliens come in and dump their toxic human waste onto the earth? Pack humans into square sardine cans so the little brown owl can have its freedom? Seriously. Life feeds on life feeds on life. This is necessary.
Yet the self same people will want to send aid to people living in areas that CANNOT support the local populations. I just do not get it. If the resources in an area cannot support the natural population of people in the area. Dumping money and technology on the people in the area is more of an environmental waste than ANYTHING I could do. Hell, let the animals move back in there.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
Nope, those are the correct numbers. And I know it's overwhelming isn't it?
The "warming trend" is completely normal for this planet, it's our additional contribution that's the problem.
Believe me, I wish you were right man and it was the other way around.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
This is right.
Climate change has existed long before man was burning fossil fuel. Climate change on both extremes is a natural and long process. I'm sure man affects this in some small percentage but as stated before the non-biased scientific community agrees that mankinds impact on climate change is negligible at best.
Many people still cling to this idea that we have too much smoke in the atmosphere and its incubating us. There is a lot more to climate change than that and about 95% of it is natural causes.
Would these be the same polar bears that the inuit have been saying are out in greater numbers than they have been in years? Remember the inuit? Yeah, those funny little fellows that that have been living in the North longer than the pale skinned invaders even knew there was a fresh continent to exploit.
If you're finished with your histrionics, the planet has undergone ecological changes for billions of years, and will continue to do so with or without the foolishness of "earth hour". Do you really believe that the northwest passage has been icelocked since the earth first cooled, several billion years ago? Or that the Aleutian islands weren't at one time the Aleutian mountain range. Yes, all these monumental changes took places before the first can of hairspray was ever used to turn a beehive hair-do into a piece of sculpture.
Participate if you wish (lord knows there's a multiitude of other dim-bulbs who will be joining you in the dark), but have the common sense to realize that the planet doesn't give a flying fox fart whether or not you spend an hour sitting in the dark like a caveman who hasn't yet mastered the ability to tame fire. Those who engage in this silliness are only doing so to assuage their own guilt-ridden consciences for having the extreme audacity to be born in a technologically advanced society. Or they're engaged in a marketing campaign.
If you were actually serious about this nonsense, you'd be living out on the tundra in a lean-to, eating grass (so as not to have an environmental impact on the seal and caribou population) and clothing yourself in woven arctic cotton grass. You can figure out how to post on the intranet without electricity on your own. Maybe a carrier pigeon would help?
Humans are natural. However we started to become a problem when we began using a very dangerous system of agriculture (which we still fundamentally use to this day). Not only did this limit the nutrients returned to the soil but it also commenced the slow process of Desertification. Mass transportation (starting with horses 6000 years ago) only helped this new technology spread around the world even faster. I'm not even going to get into the issue of the quantity of methane gas release from the gargantuan amount of beef currently being raised to feed our ridiculous population.
If you take this into account combined with the Industrial era of the past and our current output of Carbon Dioxide, it's just too much for this little planet. If we didn't feel the need to reproduce like insects though, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion. And really, I'm only scratching the surface here.
As to your last paragraph, I can't say I disagree. If a specific Country or Region does not have the ressources to support Human life, then they should not be living there. Giving money or food to people in this situation is akin to putting fuel on a fire. It's completely irresponsible, and people should know better.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I posted here not to convince people to participate in "Earth hour" or whatever, I was just trying to pull a few Ostrich necks out of the sand. The ignorance on this planet is sometimes shocking to me (yup, I should know better), however I do expect it on this site in spades. What was I thinking getting myself involved in this thread.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I don't think global warming is a scam, because, for a fact, we don't really know enough to state anything about it. There is no scientific concencus, there are a lot of problems with the measuring models, there are leaked e-mails about non-disclosing scientific information (which is in fact illegal, according to the freedom of information act ) ... etc.
Both POLITICAL sides have something to lose:
1. Carbon based people would lose money, in a way every idiot could grasp
but
2. R&D in to global warming is enormous, millions of jobs depend on it, politicians' credits are at stake, and it's a beurocracy. Anyone who ever finished their twelve grades know, that sooner or later the beurocracy's main objective, is to keep itself going. Think about it for a second. Al Gore and other "holier than thou" hypocrites have very much to win indeed with this political hysteria.
Science is about debates, with each party having the scientific effing DUTY to argue, and listen to counter arguments, then arrive at a concencus. Arguments about this NEVER TOOK PLACE. Jut political rallies, movements ... etc. People treat this thematic religiously, while they couldn't count to 150 eve if they really tried. I don't know the science behind it, I admit. Not one single person knows enough to make even a smart guess here on this board. In fact, few scientist on this world even dare admit, that not even the scientific community knows for sure. The leaked e-mails of climategate prove, that the "leading climate science research unit" is effing lost, they have no effing clue.
What I can comment about is the social aspect. And that I just did. Every single one of you, who buys in to the political side of the global warming hysteria are simply a resourse for the political side, who has stuff to gain from it. It's that simple.
Also, most importantly, the reason the developers did this is simple: free advertisement.
Climate fantics (coming from one side, or the other) are religious about getting the word around the interwebs. So what did this smartish company do? Turn their lights off and go have beer, while slaves like the afore mentioned fanatics spread the word around about " oooh... a company that cares".
It's astonishing, how many people fall for this rubbish.
Of course, Politicians are going to be involved with anything that involves money and power. They cling to it like that last bit of dog shit on a puppy's ass. Cool, but if you take them out of the equation you don't take away the problem that remains. It is unfortunate though that we will have to "get around them" in order to resolve the problem.
And Al Gore? This man was learning about Climate change from the pioneers long before he became any kind of politician. Sometimes I think his documentary might have done more harm than good. I really don't know how/why he pissed so many people off.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Haha, nice. As long as their customers don't mind, I suppose. I know I sure would. I pay to play, not to watch the company "go green." Honestly, I'm all for keepin' the planet clean. Recycle (which is just common sense, as long as the recycling is efficient and productive), cleaning up excessive industrial waste/trash, etc. I guess I'm in the middle of the environmentalist spectrum, ranging from the "I-Don't-Give-A-Shit" bums to the "I-Worship-Mother-Nature" nutjobs.
While I'm hesitant to use the word "hoax," I think Global Warming (whoops, they have to call it Climate Change now because this last winter was one of the coldest in history) is overexaggerated. I can't deny that people are making lots of money from the hysteria, though thankfully it has seemed to die down over the last couple of years as more people see the truth. No one is going to tell me to switch to different lightbulbs when they have mercury in them. No one is going to tell me how much I can drive or how much CO2 I can emit every day. I don't think it'll ever get that bad, but you never know, right?
Ah, whatever. Let the enviro-nuts dance around and kiss the dirt, as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
You see that's what I hate about living in this period of history. It's ok for you to make comments like that, but if I were to refer to your Christianity in the same manner I'd be banned faster than I could hit "Post Message".
Pity people didn't take their planet as seriously as they do millennia-old books written by people who believed the Earth was flat.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
This is the Internet, AKA Atheist Sanctuary. It's cool, I know this is the place for science and logic. God never said being Christian would be easy, so I have to put up with the crap. But it's okay, because deep down I know most of you guys are pretty cool people. We all like MMOs, at the very least. I just hope you feel the same way about my environmental views.
It's sad, though, that we're comparing environmentalism to religion. You make them sound quite similar, and around here, I thought religion was bad... /shrug.
Ah, whatever. Let the jesus/god/religious/Christian-nuts dance around and kiss the bible as long as they don't interfere with me. That's why I said I'm glad I don't play this game.
And with the above revised statement, let everyone else with their beliefes do as they please, dont force your beliefs on others. And dont let game companies try to force their beliefs, whether political or religious or otherwise on us.
As for your second silly comment, I dont think anyone really takes that seriously, you assumption that people thought the world was flat is rather inaccurate.
LOL. Yes many of the more advanced cultures of the time believed the Earth was flat. Not every culture no, but that really wasn't my point.
P.S. "letting everyone else with their beliefs do as they please" with 1 Billion people on an unglobalized world is one thing, doing so on a globalized world with near 7 Billion people is another thing entirely. We could have saved ourselves so much trouble if we had just exercised a little population control many years ago (not the way the Chinese did it). But we just couldn't help ourselves and still can't. Everyone's entitled right?
EDIT: I'm stopping now as to avoid a ban for thread-hijacking, sorry mods I got carried away I think.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Climate change or no climate change, what is a fact is that oil is a finite resource that we will one day run out of. Even if using it is not changing our climate, isn't it still worthwhile to conserve?
You hit the nail on the head right here. The hysteria is being generated to institute large scale wealth transfers and a socialist agenda. Most of the green bills are like watermelons green on the outside and communist red in the middle. If they were really concerned about global warming they would come up with ways to actually cool the earth that did not involve raising taxes. If the enemy is temperature why not deploy orbital deflectors, or white plastic sheeting in desert areas to reflect the sun's energy away from the planet?
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You just did refer to Christinaity in the same manner. I guess it's ok because you believe in climate change.
That would include you. Kill yourself and save the planet. With your amoral attitude towards people, I doubt anyone would miss you.