Everyone's first MMO is the best one. Doesn't matter which one it was, UO, EQ, you'll never experience that first blush again.
I think this thread proves that this is NOT true.
I think it is true. It's like religion. If you're born a Christian you likely stay a Christian until you die. Same for Muslims and Jews.
But some people do convert.
The unfortunate thing about MMOs is that they die way before you do, leaving you empty.
Religions last a while.
A: "I think the grass is blue"
B: "Um no, its not, just look at that grass there, its green"
C: "I think its a religion that grass is always blue"
What the ... ????
Besides, you arent born with a religious belief.. what the hell is the point of babtism, first communion, confirmation, Bar Mitzvah, and whatever.... If not to chose a religion... besides presents... well guess in most cases people do it for the presents.. thank god... *snicker* and I intentionally said god and not God.. :P
Yeah I was babtised and had a confirmation party... does that make me a christian.. yeah I guess it does by certain standards... Although I am most certainly not a christian... I loathe religion... Although it makes for great plots in stories.
also its funny how grass or cars are blue or green, depending who you ask.. and when I say funny I mean interesting.
I'm curious whether people tend to have their most fun experiences in whatever their first mmo happened to be. That is the time when everything is new and you haven't already done the same things over and over a million times.
So my questions are, what was your first mmo?
Have you played anything since then that you liked better?
If you have played something better, how was it an improvement over your first game?
UO 98.
Like better as a whole no. UO was one of the few games that had more depth then just killing.
Combat has gotten better across the board. It is the non combat features that have completely gone to crap.
Because players are not really interested in non-combat stuff. Modern MMOs are about power.
Where is the depth of UO?
The combat mechanics are WAY simple compared to WOW or any modern MMOs. The gathering (like mining) is click click click for hours. All you get is uncontrollable Pking (i much prefer WOW's way to contained PvP and don't bother those who do not want it). The only feature that it has while modern MMOs got rid of is player housing,.
Yes the masses like being leet. The masses like that mmorpgs have basically become copies of off-line rpgs (not refering to grouping but how the game mechanics work). You could take WoW add in AI for the other classes and play it off-line and it would play like a classic rpg. Going from zone to zone to zone killing the epic bosses for the phat loot. You couldn't do that with UO because it is/was more then a ORPG. It is a online world.
Where is the depth of UO? Now that is a funny question. The depth of UO is a matter of opinion. In your world depth revolves sticking your sword in something chasing that carrot on a stick. To me depth is feeling like I am in and part of a world. That there is more for me to do then stick my sword in something.
Already said combat has gotten better do you really need to keep beating that dead horse? Running around looking for node is better then walking into a mine and actually mining, walking up to a actual tree and chopping, really? *shakes head* You are entitled to your opinion but if you think gathering and crafting has gotten better... well there is nothing to say. Yes pks were one of the things that gave UO a bad rep, which lead to the masses going to EQ, which lead to everyone copying EQ since. Each new version accelerating the progression.
Here is a simple example of UO depth verses say WoW. How many people in WoW would call themselves a fisherman or black smith, or carpenter or crafter or cook or treasure hunter? I'd guess the number is pretty small because all of those features are not what you are supposed to be doing. You are supposed to be going from zone to zone to zone killing, killing killing to get that next new item. Just like the developer planned for you to do. If you like that great, if you think that is deep great. I can't tell you that you are wrong because they are person preferences but to me mmorpgs should be more then orpgs.
Yes, i actualy think i was most into my first, when i first played it i viewed it as an actual world, i got pulled deaply into it. Didnt even know of "End Game".
Now i feel i view games as games, and i have goals and want to be competitive, its hard to have the same level of fun.
My first MMO was either Asheron's Call... then Shadowbane... then Anarchy Online... then FFXI.
Have you played anything since then that you liked better? Nope. FFXI is, easily and by far, my favorite MMO to date. Second place would be Lineage 2, which I've always considered FFXI's "PvP cousin"... with as much FFXI is about PvE, L2 is about PvP, and I think I hold each of them as my personal standard of how to do each playstyle right. SE remembered, and continues to remember the 'RPG' in MMORPG and it shines in many ways in FFXI. Lineage 2, for all its flaws, has PvP at its core, whether direct PvP or indirect through politics, control over PvE elements, etc.. L2 just always felt "right" to me.
The only game would come in at 3rd would be Asheron's Call 2. I loved that game and, it's possible, if the game hadn't gone under and continued to expand and improve, my top fav's might look different.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I played a little meridian 59, then UO. I liked them both, then played EQ for a long time and loved it, but my favorite is still Dark Age of Camelot. I think a lot of people often like their first MMO (if they like them at all), but not necessarily their favorite.
You also have to look at the time people are playing their first MMO. Back in UO, EQ, AC and beyond era, there were a lot of varying quality MMOs where one could find a new favorite.
Now, in the WoW+ era, if WoW was first MMO, then trying something after, probably WoW going to still be their favorite because most of the MMOs after are just unimpressive. Bland, boring, broken, and often cloning. I'm not a big fan of WoW, thought it was ok, but I haven't really liked much after, except maybe vanguard which was pretty broken.
I've actually gone back to some of my favorites like eq and daoc and still had fun, more fun than current games, so its not just a nostalgic feeling. The games are a bit different from when I played, but still produce fun.
So I think people will eventually find a better MMO than their first, there just haven't been any better MMOs out lately, hehe.
Everyone's first MMO is the best one. Doesn't matter which one it was, UO, EQ, you'll never experience that first blush again.
I think this thread proves that this is NOT true.
I think it is true. It's like religion. If you're born a Christian you likely stay a Christian until you die. Same for Muslims and Jews.
But some people do convert.
The unfortunate thing about MMOs is that they die way before you do, leaving you empty.
Religions last a while.
Negative. I was born into being Catholic, but I am now agnostic. When your young, your much more impressionable. As you get older, you learn to think and decide for yourself. Unless you are brainwashed and wearing blinders maybe.
Joined a Shadowbane guild six months before launch, lived and breathed the game for 4 months in closed beta, then played it for almost a year after launch. Definitely not the best game I've played.
But I made more good friends in 11 months of Shadowbane than I have playing all other games over the years since, combined.
It's different now. I don't invest as much of myself into a game, and I don't allow new friends to get as close.
hmm I was thinking... what if you read the question as a game company?
In that case the answer would be a resounding YES.. with few exceptions I can think of
Because when they make their first MMO their hearts are in it, and if the game is bad the company would most likely not be making another.
Also if the game is good the company either rests on their laurels and start making poorer games or they get bought up by a big publisher and die slowly from being forced to make crappy games in less time.
Of all the MMOs Ive played its the first MMO by a publisher that have been their best.
EVE, DAoC, EQ, WoW...
Now Im sure Lineage II was better than the first but I never played it.. and Im sure FF has had some ups and downs.. and AC 2 might also have been better than the first but again I have never played either save for a few minutes of AC 2..
I may be waaaaaaaaaaaaay off here.. but this is what I have experienced till now.
While your are only as good as your last game, as a developer, you will never be as good as you were when you made your first game.
my first mmo use to be the best but has declined into life support "star wars galaxies". since the decline i would have to say my current top 3 best mmo for me 1. city of heroes 2,WoW 3.Final fantast 11. sadly my hopes of star trek online where crushed thanks cryptic 1 good mmo and 2 bad mmo's. should figured that when City of heroes was better when cryptic left should been a clue. if bioware can live up to the hype and make game quality like baldurs gate and neverwinter nights then star wars:TOR will be real treat.
Yep most definitely my first love was my best......eq2. Every mmo ive played since has not been the same. I guess the whole newness of it all gave me a bias from the get.
I'm pretty sure that most people's first MMO will always be their favorite, or one of their favorites. It sure was for me (EQ1). I've played a lot of others since then, but they are never the same as the first....
<p>My first was THE REALM online a 2d based MMO with only 2 servers(main and test), when I was like 8 or so and of course i thought it was freaking awesome in everyway...even tho I never made it to the lvl cap of 1000.. it was a blast.. And yes MMO's still have just about the same set up since 1989....What makes a game good will always be the people you play with! . I still even play it every once in a while just to see how far everything has gone since that 2D world.</p>
Played:TheRealm,FFXI,WoW,FE,Eve Playing: Nothing( stuck on a ship) Future play: FFXIV,SW:TOR
Not for me. For me, the games I've played more recently are better than the first games I played. They've evolved. And I have evolved as a gamer too.
I am disappointed that a lot of people come into the games now with different expectations so the communities end up different. They are more about playing a game and winning, not so much about being in that imaginary world and exploring. That didn't last, even in old games, though. There's always been the min-maxer, there's always been the guy crunching the numbers. It's just that now those seem to be most of the people.
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Besides, you arent born with a religious belief.. what the hell is the point of babtism, first communion, confirmation, Bar Mitzvah, and whatever.... If not to chose a religion... besides presents... well guess in most cases people do it for the presents.. thank god... *snicker* and I intentionally said god and not God.. :P
Yeah I was babtised and had a confirmation party... does that make me a christian.. yeah I guess it does by certain standards... Although I am most certainly not a christian... I loathe religion... Although it makes for great plots in stories.
also its funny how grass or cars are blue or green, depending who you ask.. and when I say funny I mean interesting.
Anyhow.. about the first game tried being the greatest... thats not necesarily true.. most likely it isnt the case.
It migh well be what got you hooked on the genre.. but then again it doesnt have to be.
The answer to the OP question would in general be: No.
For some it might be the case, but most likely people have tried something they liked more since.
Isn't your first MMO always the best? xP
I know mine was. Got started with AO, loved every minute of it. Also played Ultima for a while, but it was in its ending days unfortunately
Yes the masses like being leet. The masses like that mmorpgs have basically become copies of off-line rpgs (not refering to grouping but how the game mechanics work). You could take WoW add in AI for the other classes and play it off-line and it would play like a classic rpg. Going from zone to zone to zone killing the epic bosses for the phat loot. You couldn't do that with UO because it is/was more then a ORPG. It is a online world.
Where is the depth of UO? Now that is a funny question. The depth of UO is a matter of opinion. In your world depth revolves sticking your sword in something chasing that carrot on a stick. To me depth is feeling like I am in and part of a world. That there is more for me to do then stick my sword in something.
Already said combat has gotten better do you really need to keep beating that dead horse? Running around looking for node is better then walking into a mine and actually mining, walking up to a actual tree and chopping, really? *shakes head* You are entitled to your opinion but if you think gathering and crafting has gotten better... well there is nothing to say. Yes pks were one of the things that gave UO a bad rep, which lead to the masses going to EQ, which lead to everyone copying EQ since. Each new version accelerating the progression.
Here is a simple example of UO depth verses say WoW. How many people in WoW would call themselves a fisherman or black smith, or carpenter or crafter or cook or treasure hunter? I'd guess the number is pretty small because all of those features are not what you are supposed to be doing. You are supposed to be going from zone to zone to zone killing, killing killing to get that next new item. Just like the developer planned for you to do. If you like that great, if you think that is deep great. I can't tell you that you are wrong because they are person preferences but to me mmorpgs should be more then orpgs.
I am in the minority I've accepted that.
Yes, i actualy think i was most into my first, when i first played it i viewed it as an actual world, i got pulled deaply into it. Didnt even know of "End Game".
Now i feel i view games as games, and i have goals and want to be competitive, its hard to have the same level of fun.
Playing EVE
Played Darkfall, Played Wow,
Nope for me.
My first MMO was either Asheron's Call... then Shadowbane... then Anarchy Online... then FFXI.
Have you played anything since then that you liked better? Nope. FFXI is, easily and by far, my favorite MMO to date. Second place would be Lineage 2, which I've always considered FFXI's "PvP cousin"... with as much FFXI is about PvE, L2 is about PvP, and I think I hold each of them as my personal standard of how to do each playstyle right. SE remembered, and continues to remember the 'RPG' in MMORPG and it shines in many ways in FFXI. Lineage 2, for all its flaws, has PvP at its core, whether direct PvP or indirect through politics, control over PvE elements, etc.. L2 just always felt "right" to me.
The only game would come in at 3rd would be Asheron's Call 2. I loved that game and, it's possible, if the game hadn't gone under and continued to expand and improve, my top fav's might look different.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
First was UO and then Everquest but the first MMO I liked wouldn't be until 2003 when PS,EVE and SWG all came out.
I played a little meridian 59, then UO. I liked them both, then played EQ for a long time and loved it, but my favorite is still Dark Age of Camelot. I think a lot of people often like their first MMO (if they like them at all), but not necessarily their favorite.
You also have to look at the time people are playing their first MMO. Back in UO, EQ, AC and beyond era, there were a lot of varying quality MMOs where one could find a new favorite.
Now, in the WoW+ era, if WoW was first MMO, then trying something after, probably WoW going to still be their favorite because most of the MMOs after are just unimpressive. Bland, boring, broken, and often cloning. I'm not a big fan of WoW, thought it was ok, but I haven't really liked much after, except maybe vanguard which was pretty broken.
I've actually gone back to some of my favorites like eq and daoc and still had fun, more fun than current games, so its not just a nostalgic feeling. The games are a bit different from when I played, but still produce fun.
So I think people will eventually find a better MMO than their first, there just haven't been any better MMOs out lately, hehe.
Negative. I was born into being Catholic, but I am now agnostic. When your young, your much more impressionable. As you get older, you learn to think and decide for yourself. Unless you are brainwashed and wearing blinders maybe.
Shadowbane.
Joined a Shadowbane guild six months before launch, lived and breathed the game for 4 months in closed beta, then played it for almost a year after launch. Definitely not the best game I've played.
But I made more good friends in 11 months of Shadowbane than I have playing all other games over the years since, combined.
It's different now. I don't invest as much of myself into a game, and I don't allow new friends to get as close.
UO - Ah~ the good'ol days...
random PK
dropping and picking up your loot to move due to full inventory
Good'ol time, good'ol times...
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
hmm I was thinking... what if you read the question as a game company?
In that case the answer would be a resounding YES.. with few exceptions I can think of
Because when they make their first MMO their hearts are in it, and if the game is bad the company would most likely not be making another.
Also if the game is good the company either rests on their laurels and start making poorer games or they get bought up by a big publisher and die slowly from being forced to make crappy games in less time.
Of all the MMOs Ive played its the first MMO by a publisher that have been their best.
EVE, DAoC, EQ, WoW...
Now Im sure Lineage II was better than the first but I never played it.. and Im sure FF has had some ups and downs.. and AC 2 might also have been better than the first but again I have never played either save for a few minutes of AC 2..
I may be waaaaaaaaaaaaay off here.. but this is what I have experienced till now.
While your are only as good as your last game, as a developer, you will never be as good as you were when you made your first game.
Yes.
EQ
my first mmo use to be the best but has declined into life support "star wars galaxies". since the decline i would have to say my current top 3 best mmo for me 1. city of heroes 2,WoW 3.Final fantast 11. sadly my hopes of star trek online where crushed thanks cryptic 1 good mmo and 2 bad mmo's. should figured that when City of heroes was better when cryptic left should been a clue. if bioware can live up to the hype and make game quality like baldurs gate and neverwinter nights then star wars:TOR will be real treat.
Yep most definitely my first love was my best......eq2. Every mmo ive played since has not been the same. I guess the whole newness of it all gave me a bias from the get.
I'm pretty sure that most people's first MMO will always be their favorite, or one of their favorites. It sure was for me (EQ1). I've played a lot of others since then, but they are never the same as the first....
<p>My first was THE REALM online a 2d based MMO with only 2 servers(main and test), when I was like 8 or so and of course i thought it was freaking awesome in everyway...even tho I never made it to the lvl cap of 1000.. it was a blast.. And yes MMO's still have just about the same set up since 1989....What makes a game good will always be the people you play with! . I still even play it every once in a while just to see how far everything has gone since that 2D world.</p>
Played:TheRealm,FFXI,WoW,FE,Eve
Playing: Nothing( stuck on a ship)
Future play: FFXIV,SW:TOR
Not for me. For me, the games I've played more recently are better than the first games I played. They've evolved. And I have evolved as a gamer too.
I am disappointed that a lot of people come into the games now with different expectations so the communities end up different. They are more about playing a game and winning, not so much about being in that imaginary world and exploring. That didn't last, even in old games, though. There's always been the min-maxer, there's always been the guy crunching the numbers. It's just that now those seem to be most of the people.
Very good question. I think the majority of gamers will atleast say their first MMORPG was atleast one of the favorites...
Once you enjoy a game enough to play it for several months, its hard to like something different.
Its like a football player playing rugby after he has acomplished and learned so much in the football game.
I play Entropia since 2004 and I can honestly say I think it still is the best mmo.
I have tried Rappelz, Afterworld, Lotro and Perfect world, and recenltly ddo online, but those games simply do not grasp me like Entropia does.