If those of you that are interested want to check out Eu, do it!
If the trolls that think everything is ok without trying it, Don't-
I pretty much like mmorpg.com because they have some free for all things. Sometimes we start to discuss some game. Anyway discussing here is like pissing upwind!
If you feel like you are mature enough (yes I mean that you have to be mature) feel free to check out EU!
(and i am really glad that that almost everybody is around 30.)
Not everybody likes wow or secondlife.
This is not meant to look down at you guys, but it is an invitation to try if you will.
I tried back in 2005 this "game". I was lucky as I got in a society (or clan or whatever) the first day. I learned a lot. If you wanna learn what I did, just check out my other post here.
I am beginning to get fed up at all the idiotic comments from people that either havent tried or have tried for about 3-4 years ago. Also I am a midlevel player and I think that those that have tried and areunsuccsessfull have used their money wrong.
EU is not for everyone. That doesn't mean that you cant play for free..
I cannot play for free, put at least I can play for around 15$ a month and still be in the +...
And your one of the people who is not over 30 i suspect?
Your gamer profile says that you only played Entropia Universe for 1600 hours and no other game at all, so how would you know another game. I am getting really feed up with people trying to glorify this game when its nothing more than a robbery!!
And yeah you can play for free stand in the sweatfarm clicking mobs and die for about 1 year about 8 hours everyday and you might have money for 1 medium based hunt which takes you 1-3 hours. OFC its free. Get real ffs and stop trying to make a turd to a gold bar.
I am so feed up with people making accounts and advert about their game. They lost over 30 % of their playerbase because they lost too much money and cant afford to play anymore. How is that for dynamic loot that is avatarbased and regulated by the bank which you always plays agaist.
Entropia Universe is like playing Black Jack but in there the dealer decides who wins and who loses. Havent you got anymore friends on the entropiaforum.com that can make a new account here and glorify the game John Capitol lol.
Ok. Fair is fair. Maybe my english makes me sound like I am a little twat.
My last post I wrote while I was drunk. I have read it again and I still mean what I said. Maybe my english is bad, but I know that even you know what i meant!
Did you understand what I meant about Entropia?
If yes and you disagree, fine. Give me a reason
If not. Fuck off!
For your information, I am male, comes from Norway and is 36 years old. (and my english suck, but I bet can talk norwegian better than you)
EDIT: The thing with xfire is that you have to use it for it to count. You know that right?
Well now we are talking english since this is an ENGLISH commonity, and for you info I am Swedish so english is a common ground. And sitting there posting angry thoughts when youre drunk is maybe a case for a doctor , who knows?
If you read the earlier posts you might understand more what this is acually about. And I first played Entropia in 2002 how long have you played it, when was your acual account made?
And for your info , yes I totally Disagree with you.
Look at all the 1-10 post guys who tries to come to entropias rescue feeding us shit yet saying its candy. Please just stay in your game and lose your money if you want to but dont drag us down with you.
We are done here.
Well, one just completely agreed with what I said. Then again, I did write a essay about it in full detail not targeting anyone with insults and using absolute reason. . .
Very true, anger gets to me sometimes when this issue about entropia and the people making new accounts just to come here and glorify its true intet by saying " Hey you wanna make money , play Entropia HURRAY". Seen it to many times. And this is a big lie.
And now when more than 30 % quit the game after the lame SGA event that was just a huge robbery for most they wanna get in new people with more money.
Very true, anger gets to me sometimes when this issue about entropia and the people making new accounts just to come here and glorify its true intet by saying " Hey you wanna make money , play Entropia HURRAY". Seen it to many times. And this is a big lie.
I agree with you, it's no reason to fuss and argue though. All you can do is lay out what the game is and what it's not and let people decide for themselves.
Just like your opinion is about as good as an umbrella on a sunny day. Glad we agree to disagree. When youre finished trash talking about me maybe you can add some pure facts to this thread.
I did. That was in fact my very first post. It caused you to get your panties in a bunch, accusing me of creating an account just for that post, and telling me to go away.
Just like your opinion is about as good as an umbrella on a sunny day. Glad we agree to disagree. When youre finished trash talking about me maybe you can add some pure facts to this thread.
I did. That was in fact my very first post. It caused you to get your panties in a bunch, accusing me of creating an account just for that post, and telling me to go away.
Dammit kids, do I have to pull the car over and make the both of you walk home?
Lemme set the record straight for both of you.
1) Patrick --- ViagraFalls is not John Capital. Its spelled Capital by the way. As in money. Not Capitol as in Washington DC. Arguing about who the users are on this forum only makes you look silly, and undermines your points because you simply look willing to trash anything.
2) Viagra --- Youve been trolled. Isnt it obvious hes baiting people for the sheer joy of watching them respond?
There, now dont you both feel better? No more fighting or Im going to have you both pick out wooden spoons when we get home!
Everybody go play rocktropia now! We will all steal your money right out of your pockets!
(oops now everybody knows I work for Neverdie!)
Anyways, I love the discussion here especially patricDck! good job man! you really showed the rocktropia mindark employees!
btw how did I get two stars already? It took me years on EntropiaForum.. Next thing you telling me it doesn;t take years to skill up in other mmo's? Because obviously I only play entropia, rocktropia, next island and all other tropia clones. And haven't been playing other games back in the 80's first on my c64, then on my amiga and later most fps and rpgs and rts on the pc... entropia players only play entropia, how can they love anything else like mount & blade or cod mw2 or crysis, far cry 2. They only love to loose all their money because that's all they care about.. that and luring others into loosing money too...!
2) Viagra --- Youve been trolled. Isnt it obvious hes baiting people for the sheer joy of watching them respond?
Not sure about VF, but I was having fun.
Whether he's honestly a guy who (for whatever reason) hates Eu so much he feels the need to spend his time here bashing it, or he's simply trolling to get his post count up really doesn't matter to me.
Oh and since he's hung on post counts, I'll put my 5,800+ posts on EF, plus over 2,000 posts on other forums against his measly 800 count any day.
I win
The cutest part? Me, VF, Magyar and others have all admitted this game costs money and you may lose it all, but he's so busy arguing, he doesn't notice that.
OK, obligatory emote-riddled post done. What's next on the "to do on a forum" list?
LOL VF = JC? That's as hilarious as that time some blogger accused me of being Marco when I was organizing the VU 7.x sweaters strike!
It's a free game. You can deposit if you want. You don't have to It's like going to the mall if the mall would let you get scrap cans and bottles out of the trash and get a bit of cash for recycling them. Granted you won't get rich that way, so it's always easier to bring your own money with you. Anyone expecting great wealth for nothing is a fool, both in RL or in a game. That's not to say it CAN'T happen, but it takes foresight, planning, financial discipline and luck.
And the Entropia platform looks great with Cryengine2 !
Everybody go play rocktropia now! We will all steal your money right out of your pockets!
(oops now everybody knows I work for Neverdie!)
Anyways, I love the discussion here especially patricDck! good job man! you really showed the rocktropia mindark employees!
btw how did I get two stars already? It took me years on EntropiaForum.. Next thing you telling me it doesn;t take years to skill up in other mmo's? Because obviously I only play entropia, rocktropia, next island and all other tropia clones. And haven't been playing other games back in the 80's first on my c64, then on my amiga and later most fps and rpgs and rts on the pc... entropia players only play entropia, how can they love anything else like mount & blade or cod mw2 or crysis, far cry 2. They only love to loose all their money because that's all they care about.. that and luring others into loosing money too...!
The stars are based on your activity rating over time. You can easily get quite a few stars if you post alot on your first few days, but theyll all disappear in a week. The stars IMO can be viewed as a mark of shame. Means you spend too much time on these boards.
For my part, Im part of an MMO podcasting group and tend to fiddle around alot on MMORPG.com since this idea was proposed to me. Its a good place to farm for general player perspectives.
Let them alone VF, they are just borred youngsters.
So I say:
" U the borred player, who travel from a game to a other, come on Entropia Universe. An another style of gaming is open to u. Play at ur rythme, play for the fun. Ask help to other players, be social, upload ur films, broadcast ur radio, hunt, mine, craft, make profits by being a pro ! "
Everybody go play rocktropia now! We will all steal your money right out of your pockets!
(oops now everybody knows I work for Neverdie!)
Anyways, I love the discussion here especially patricDck! good job man! you really showed the rocktropia mindark employees!
btw how did I get two stars already? It took me years on EntropiaForum.. Next thing you telling me it doesn;t take years to skill up in other mmo's? Because obviously I only play entropia, rocktropia, next island and all other tropia clones. And haven't been playing other games back in the 80's first on my c64, then on my amiga and later most fps and rpgs and rts on the pc... entropia players only play entropia, how can they love anything else like mount & blade or cod mw2 or crysis, far cry 2. They only love to loose all their money because that's all they care about.. that and luring others into loosing money too...!
I had an Atari, C64 and Amiga before i got to the PC and i play EU and i like it.
I can accept that some people don't like EU, nothing strange with that. I can accept that you say stuff like "it's a very expensive game" or "it's boring", because the game can be expensive and some people can think that the game is "boring". What i can't accept is that some people calls it a "ponzi scheme", or something similar, and calling people playing it "stupid" because we don't understand that. We are not fooled in some kind of scam, because for it to be a scam we must be scamed of something. Scamed of what? We are not promised any profit. We are not promised to get any money back. We know most of us will never get any money to withdraw from the game, most of us accept that, some others clearly don't............
Please try to keep discussions about the game on a level that brings information to the reader that is correct and not 50% BS, because the point of the forum is the give the reader a possiblity to make their own judgement. Best way to do that is to try the game. It's free to download and try it.
I can accept that some people don't like EU, nothing strange with that. I can accept that you say stuff like "it's a very expensive game" or "it's boring", because the game can be expensive and some people can think that the game is "boring". What i can't accept is that some people calls it a "ponzi scheme", or something similar, and calling people playing it "stupid" because we don't understand that. We are not fooled in some kind of scam, because for it to be a scam we must be scamed of something. Scamed of what? We are not promised any profit. We are not promised to get any money back. We know most of us will never get any money to withdraw from the game, most of us accept that, some others clearly don't............
Please try to keep discussions about the game on a level that brings information to the reader that is correct and not 50% BS, because the point of the forum is the give the reader a possiblity to make their own judgement. Best way to do that is to try the game. It's free to download and try it.
Hi.
Please quote me next time you want to accuse me of making statements calling people stupid for not agreeing with my point of view, because quite frankly what you have said here is simply not true. I did not call anyone any names whatsoever, aside from the PR team for this game, and as a current player of Entropia I feel I am well informed enough to both make that call, and feel that many community members agree with me.
As for Entropia being a Ponzi scheme, it is. I posted the definition of a Ponzi scheme conveniently on this thread, and dissected Entropia Universe how it relates to that definition. Aside from the word fraudulent, every other aspect of a Ponzi Scheme is 100% present in Entropia Universe. If you have any doubts please scroll back. If you think my assessment to be not accurate, please quote me, and offer feedback where you think correction is necessary.
As the Entropia Community seems to think itself "full of mature adults" I dont think I should have to illustrate how a debate is handled, therefore I will not do it again. Any further attempts to misdirect statements of mine and turn them into venom serving your own purposes shall be responded to with an amount of verbal ferocity I deem appropriate at the time based on my mood. I do not consider lies and misdirection of my words to be civil, therefore expect a very uncivilized reply if you choose to walk that path!
With regard to criticisms against Entropia, every game has its faults. Entropia is not an angel in a sea of cyber devils, its just another petty demon offering cheap pleasure. Thats the reality, friend. Folks on Entropia dedicated forums may be able to hide from that reality, but out here in the rest of cyberspace its free to discuss.
[quote] I had an Atari, C64 and Amiga before i got to the PC and i play EU and i like it.
I can accept that some people don't like EU, nothing strange with that. I can accept that you say stuff like "it's a very expensive game" or "it's boring", because the game can be expensive and some people can think that the game is "boring". What i can't accept is that some people calls it a "ponzi scheme", or something similar, and calling people playing it "stupid" because we don't understand that. We are not fooled in some kind of scam, because for it to be a scam we must be scamed of something. Scamed of what? We are not promised any profit. We are not promised to get any money back. We know most of us will never get any money to withdraw from the game, most of us accept that, some others clearly don't............
Please try to keep discussions about the game on a level that brings information to the reader that is correct and not 50% BS, because the point of the forum is the give the reader a possiblity to make their own judgement. Best way to do that is to try the game. It's free to download and try it. [/quote]
agreed 100% you didn't get the sarcasm of the post....
Anyways, It seems Rocktropia is going to get a lot of enhancements in the near future. Neverdie hasn't promoted the game yet, and it is for a reason. Although he is bound to the entropia universe rce system it seems he will get those virtual music creating system online in one of the next vu's . I think in a couple of months, we get the full version, this one is simply another landarea with different mobs and textures.
Anyways, It seems Rocktropia is going to get a lot of enhancements in the near future. Neverdie hasn't promoted the game yet, and it is for a reason. Although he is bound to the entropia universe rce system it seems he will get those virtual music creating system online in one of the next vu's . I think in a couple of months, we get the full version, this one is simply another landarea with different mobs and textures.
Agreed. As I stated earlier I'll wait until RockTropia is finished before giving it any real attention.
As for the "sarcasm" of the post, I call bullshit. I didnt get the "sarcasm" because it was not present. It amuses me when folks attempt to call people stupid using different words and make believe meanings. One of the tricks of language is that its easy to blur the truth. All a person needs to do is take advantage of the fundamental non confrontational nature of the masses and create a successful appeal to it.
Anyways, It seems Rocktropia is going to get a lot of enhancements in the near future. Neverdie hasn't promoted the game yet, and it is for a reason. Although he is bound to the entropia universe rce system it seems he will get those virtual music creating system online in one of the next vu's . I think in a couple of months, we get the full version, this one is simply another landarea with different mobs and textures.
Agreed. As I stated earlier I'll wait until RockTropia is finished before giving it any real attention.
As for the "sarcasm" of the post, I call bullshit. I didnt get the "sarcasm" because it was not present. It amuses me when folks attempt to call people stupid using different words and make believe meanings. One of the tricks of language is that its easy to blur the truth. All a person needs to do is take advantage of the fundamental non confrontational nature of the masses and create a successful appeal to it.
It wasn't referring to you, but to airboy..
anyways.. the ponzi thingy
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulentinvestment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering returns other investments cannot guarantee, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going."
1 entropia universe does not entice investors returns. you are free to do as you choose.
2 a ponzi scheme usually blows up within a year or two, entropia has been around since 2001
3 pre-vu 10 the playerbase was getting thinner, yet it didn't blow up, so entropia does not need an ever increasing flow of money from investors.
4 money invested is partly payed to mindark in decay, and partly to players in the form of loot, and partly in the form of skills
5 skills can be gained freely, yet can also be sold
6 1 to 5 prove your thesis wrong and shows entropia is a game with a real cash economy instead of a ponzi scheme.
7 mindark has been researched if the game was gambling (one arm slot machine) but swedish authorities deemed it not the case, because skills and use of the right tools deliver a different outcome then using a one arm bandit. If you know what you are doing, you can actually profit. ( or loose less LOL)
Anyways, It seems Rocktropia is going to get a lot of enhancements in the near future. Neverdie hasn't promoted the game yet, and it is for a reason. Although he is bound to the entropia universe rce system it seems he will get those virtual music creating system online in one of the next vu's . I think in a couple of months, we get the full version, this one is simply another landarea with different mobs and textures.
Agreed. As I stated earlier I'll wait until RockTropia is finished before giving it any real attention.
As for the "sarcasm" of the post, I call bullshit. I didnt get the "sarcasm" because it was not present. It amuses me when folks attempt to call people stupid using different words and make believe meanings. One of the tricks of language is that its easy to blur the truth. All a person needs to do is take advantage of the fundamental non confrontational nature of the masses and create a successful appeal to it.
It wasn't referring to you, but to airboy..
Gotcha. My bad. I didnt get the direction of the post. :-D
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulentinvestment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering returns other investments cannot guarantee, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going."
1 entropia universe does not entice investors returns. you are free to do as you choose.
It doesnt? This is a quote from the Planet Calypso Account Management page:
"Think Future - Invest in your Avatar!
Choose from a range of deposit options."
2 a ponzi scheme usually blows up within a year or two, entropia has been around since 2001
This is pure conjecture. A ponzi scheme fails when it is ready to fail, and not before. A good one can even appear to be legitimate. For instance, Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme went on for almost 20 years before failing. Look it up.
3 pre-vu 10 the playerbase was getting thinner, yet it didn't blow up, so entropia does not need an ever increasing flow of money from investors.
Payouts have, according to the Entropia community, also been less frequent since VU10, and losses have been more severe. Is this connected to the thinning player base? Depends on if you believe in an available loot pool or not. It seems Marco does. Hes the CEO of FPC, if Im not mistaken, and quotes on Entropia Forum have been rather clear in illustrating the existence of a loot pool, without giving away how it works.
4 money invested is partly payed to mindark in decay, and partly to players in the form of loot, and partly in the form of skills
What does this have to do with the price of fish?
5 skills can be gained freely, yet can also be sold
This isnt relevant to the discussion of a Ponzi Scheme. It is merely an activity on the platform. Nothing more and nothing less.
6 1 to 5 prove your thesis wrong and shows entropia is a game with a real cash economy instead of a ponzi scheme.
4 and 5 arent even relevant. 1 and 3 are highly questionable. 2 simply isnt even true! 1-5 collectively therefore prove absolutely nothing.
7 mindark has been researched if the game was gambling (one arm slot machine) but swedish authorities deemed it not the case, because skills and use of the right tools deliver a different outcome then using a one arm bandit. If you know what you are doing, you can actually profit.
A ponzi scheme is not gambling, and in a ponzi scheme people can and do profit. People also do in gambling. What was the point again here?
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulentinvestment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering returns other investments cannot guarantee, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going."
1 entropia universe does not entice investors returns. you are free to do as you choose.
It doesnt? This is a quote from the Planet Calypso Account Management page:
"Think Future - Invest in your Avatar!
Choose from a range of deposit options."
INVESTORS RETURNS??
2 a ponzi scheme usually blows up within a year or two, entropia has been around since 2001
This is pure conjecture. A ponzi scheme fails when it is ready to fail, and not before. A good one can even appear to be legitimate. For instance, Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme went on for almost 20 years before failing. Look it up.
MADOFF INITIALLY DIDN'T USE A PONZI SCHEME, ONLY IN THE END. SO NOT A PROPER EXAMPLE.
3 pre-vu 10 the playerbase was getting thinner, yet it didn't blow up, so entropia does not need an ever increasing flow of money from investors.
Payouts have, according to the Entropia community, also been less frequent since VU10, and losses have been more severe. Is this connected to the thinning player base? Depends on if you believe in an available loot pool or not. It seems Marco does. Hes the CEO of FPC, if Im not mistaken, and quotes on Entropia Forum have been rather clear in illustrating the existence of a loot pool, without giving away how it works.
PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT LOOT. RIGHT NOW PPL THINK LOOT IS THINNING BECAUSE OF THE OPENING OF A NEW PLANET AND HALF THE POPULATION TRYING IT OUT. FACT STAYS, ENTROPIA DOES NOT NEED AN EVER INCREASING FLOW OF MONEY FROM INVESTORS, THEY CAN REMAIN STABLE ALSO, OR BE LESSER. WE DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS A PERSONAL LOOT POOL, A GENERAL LOOTPOOL, OR A LOOTPOOL AT ALL.
4 money invested is partly payed to mindark in decay, and partly to players in the form of loot, and partly in the form of skills
What does this have to do with the price of fish?
IT MEANS PLAYERS GET RETURNS THAT ARE CASHABLE, BUT THEY ONLY COUNT THE LOOT PART. THE SKILLS PART IS ALSO CASHABLE, IT MEANS YOU CAN PROFIT WITHOUT ANY INVESTMENTS.
5 skills can be gained freely, yet can also be sold
This isnt relevant to the discussion of a Ponzi Scheme. It is merely an activity on the platform. Nothing more and nothing less.
IT IS BECAUSE IT IS LINKED TO POINT 4. YOU CAN SWEAT, GAIN SKILLS , SELL SKILLS AND CASH OUT, WITHOUT EVER HAVING INVESTED.
6 1 to 5 prove your thesis wrong and shows entropia is a game with a real cash economy instead of a ponzi scheme.
4 and 5 arent even relevant. 1 and 3 are highly questionable. 2 simply isnt even true! 1-5 collectively therefore prove absolutely nothing.
7 mindark has been researched if the game was gambling (one arm slot machine) but swedish authorities deemed it not the case, because skills and use of the right tools deliver a different outcome then using a one arm bandit. If you know what you are doing, you can actually profit.
A ponzi scheme is not gambling, and in a ponzi scheme people can and do profit. People also do in gambling. What was the point again here?
Suppose an advertisement is placed that promises extraordinary returns on an investment — for example, 20 percent on a 30-day contract. The objective is usually to deceive laymen who have no in-depth knowledge of finance or financial jargon. Verbal constructions that sound impressive but are essentially meaningless will be used to dazzle investors: terms such as "hedgefutures trading," "high-yield investment programs," "offshore investment" might be used. The promoter will then proceed to sell stakes to investors — who are essentially victims of a confidence trick — by taking advantage of a lack of investor knowledge or competence. Claims of a "proprietary" investment strategy, which must be kept secret to ensure competitive edge, may also be used to hide the nature of the scheme.
Entropia Universe tosses around words like Real Cash Economy, Complete Virtual Universe, and Virtual Reality. They sound impressive, but are words without a concrete base. Theyre new concepts, and sound great, but have very tenuous actual definitions. EU also claims a proprietary business model for making this possible, however when examined in detail eventually the auditor runs into a black box. At the core of EU there is mystery. Where is the money actually coming from. How is it dealt with? How does MA make money to pay the bills, and pay the investors? If everyone cashed out tomorrow, would MA be able to pay everyone?
Without the benefit of precedent or objective prior information about the investment, only a few investors are tempted, usually for small sums. Thirty days later, the investor receives the original capital plus the 20 percent return. At this point, the investor will have more incentive to put in additional money and, as word begins to spread, other investors grab the "opportunity" to participate, leading to a cascade effect deriving from the promise of extraordinary returns. However, the "return" to the initial investors is being paid out of the investments of new entrants, and not out of profits.
One reason that the scheme initially works so well is that early investors, those who actually got paid the large returns, commonly reinvest their money in the scheme (it does, after all, pay out much better than any alternative investment). Thus, those running the scheme do not actually have to pay out very much (net); they simply have to send statements to investors showing them how much they earned by keeping the money, maintaining the deception that the scheme is a fund with high returns.
This deals with the question of investor returns. In EU investors commonly re-use PED gained ingame in order to continue playing. Thus the system itself pays out very little.
Promoters also try to minimize withdrawals by offering new plans to investors, often where money is frozen for a longer period of time, in exchange for higher returns. The promoter sees new cash flows as investors are told they could not transfer money from the first plan to the second. If a few investors do wish to withdraw their money in accordance with the terms allowed, the requests are usually promptly processed, which gives the illusion to all other investors that the fund is solvent.
unL SIB weapons with high PED value affixed to the item are a prime example of how the system locks up money.
This simplistic notion of the Ponzi scheme is typically embellished with several (or many) feints that help prove seeming legitimacy to the ruse. For example, Madoff famously refused some investors' money, even when they begged him to take it. To an outside observer, these sorts of often high-profile "exclusivity" acts tend to discredit doubts — if it were a fraud, why would Madoff refuse more cash? Such illusions of normal business-as-usual reinforce a Ponzi scheme as a real investment.
Sweating and Dung/Fruit gathering are freebies EU gives that are on a comparable scale to the refusal of investor sums. A pittance of free money is a great diversion when greed is the primary factor in involvement. The diversion of attention does little to mask the truth. It simply asks inquisitors to look elsewhere.
I had something much more detailed, but the board erased it in favor of showing me a random link from Evony. I really dont want to type it again, so forgive me if I ask you to draw your own insights and comparisons from previous posts to this one. They are intended.
well i for one have played Entropia since 2005, back when it was simply Project Entropia. i am a player that makes my IRL living from playing this game and i beg to differ that money is not only made from new players. infact, i don't care if anyone here comes to entropia or not.
my living is derived from farming loots with high market value, using uber gear to take down mobs not easily killed by many. while it is true that other players pay me for those loots, often the materials are used by crafters to also profit in the system. or by PVP players to also profit in the PVP system. or by other players who also profit in the system, yada yada.
while rocktropia is not amazing as it has been soft launched, the new areas of gameplay and the new engine are the most exciting things to happen in a long time. entropia is seeing a bit of a player boom as of late and its easy to see why ppl either love or hate this "game."
it is, for the record, completely free to open an account started at rocktropia and wander around to check it out. it only costs $4 to visit rocktropia if you are already a player of the FPC game and wish to go there. ppl should make up their minds if entropia is something they wish to play or not, but it does not cost anything whatsoever to create and account and check that out at either rocktropia or FPC, atm.
They seem to believe themselves rather Erudite over in their non public space. MMORPG.com may not be perfect -- in fact we are by and large full of a bunch of trolls -- but one thing we can say for ourselves over here is we all have to stand on our own merit. Since that community felt it necessary to call in some troops here, Im only returning the favor.
Please quote me next time you want to accuse me of making statements calling people stupid for not agreeing with my point of view, because quite frankly what you have said here is simply not true. I did not call anyone any names whatsoever, aside from the PR team for this game, and as a current player of Entropia I feel I am well informed enough to both make that call, and feel that many community members agree with me.
I never said it was you that had called people was "stupid", i meant it in a more general term about things said in this thread. Like someone, not you saying "I suggest you try and sell this idea to someone you can acually fool, like one with under 30 IQ. Have a wonderful day." We should keep the standard higher than that?
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Well now we are talking english since this is an ENGLISH commonity, and for you info I am Swedish so english is a common ground. And sitting there posting angry thoughts when youre drunk is maybe a case for a doctor , who knows?
If you read the earlier posts you might understand more what this is acually about. And I first played Entropia in 2002 how long have you played it, when was your acual account made?
And for your info , yes I totally Disagree with you.
Very true, anger gets to me sometimes when this issue about entropia and the people making new accounts just to come here and glorify its true intet by saying " Hey you wanna make money , play Entropia HURRAY". Seen it to many times. And this is a big lie.
And now when more than 30 % quit the game after the lame SGA event that was just a huge robbery for most they wanna get in new people with more money.
I agree with you, it's no reason to fuss and argue though. All you can do is lay out what the game is and what it's not and let people decide for themselves.
If that is true, I'm curious. Which one were you, guys? Scammers or suckers ?
Yes, I'm a 1-10 poster too. That's because I spend too much time playing, you know
Good Luck and bye!
I did. That was in fact my very first post. It caused you to get your panties in a bunch, accusing me of creating an account just for that post, and telling me to go away.
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Dammit kids, do I have to pull the car over and make the both of you walk home?
Lemme set the record straight for both of you.
1) Patrick --- ViagraFalls is not John Capital. Its spelled Capital by the way. As in money. Not Capitol as in Washington DC. Arguing about who the users are on this forum only makes you look silly, and undermines your points because you simply look willing to trash anything.
2) Viagra --- Youve been trolled. Isnt it obvious hes baiting people for the sheer joy of watching them respond?
There, now dont you both feel better? No more fighting or Im going to have you both pick out wooden spoons when we get home!
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Everybody go play rocktropia now! We will all steal your money right out of your pockets!
(oops now everybody knows I work for Neverdie!)
Anyways, I love the discussion here especially patricDck! good job man! you really showed the rocktropia mindark employees!
btw how did I get two stars already? It took me years on EntropiaForum.. Next thing you telling me it doesn;t take years to skill up in other mmo's? Because obviously I only play entropia, rocktropia, next island and all other tropia clones. And haven't been playing other games back in the 80's first on my c64, then on my amiga and later most fps and rpgs and rts on the pc... entropia players only play entropia, how can they love anything else like mount & blade or cod mw2 or crysis, far cry 2. They only love to loose all their money because that's all they care about.. that and luring others into loosing money too...!
Not sure about VF, but I was having fun.
Whether he's honestly a guy who (for whatever reason) hates Eu so much he feels the need to spend his time here bashing it, or he's simply trolling to get his post count up really doesn't matter to me.
Oh and since he's hung on post counts, I'll put my 5,800+ posts on EF, plus over 2,000 posts on other forums against his measly 800 count any day.
I win
The cutest part? Me, VF, Magyar and others have all admitted this game costs money and you may lose it all, but he's so busy arguing, he doesn't notice that.
OK, obligatory emote-riddled post done. What's next on the "to do on a forum" list?
Happy hoffing
LOL VF = JC? That's as hilarious as that time some blogger accused me of being Marco when I was organizing the VU 7.x sweaters strike!
It's a free game. You can deposit if you want. You don't have to It's like going to the mall if the mall would let you get scrap cans and bottles out of the trash and get a bit of cash for recycling them. Granted you won't get rich that way, so it's always easier to bring your own money with you. Anyone expecting great wealth for nothing is a fool, both in RL or in a game. That's not to say it CAN'T happen, but it takes foresight, planning, financial discipline and luck.
And the Entropia platform looks great with Cryengine2 !
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The stars are based on your activity rating over time. You can easily get quite a few stars if you post alot on your first few days, but theyll all disappear in a week. The stars IMO can be viewed as a mark of shame. Means you spend too much time on these boards.
For my part, Im part of an MMO podcasting group and tend to fiddle around alot on MMORPG.com since this idea was proposed to me. Its a good place to farm for general player perspectives.
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Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
Let them alone VF, they are just borred youngsters.
So I say:
" U the borred player, who travel from a game to a other, come on Entropia Universe. An another style of gaming is open to u. Play at ur rythme, play for the fun. Ask help to other players, be social, upload ur films, broadcast ur radio, hunt, mine, craft, make profits by being a pro ! "
I had an Atari, C64 and Amiga before i got to the PC and i play EU and i like it.
I can accept that some people don't like EU, nothing strange with that. I can accept that you say stuff like "it's a very expensive game" or "it's boring", because the game can be expensive and some people can think that the game is "boring". What i can't accept is that some people calls it a "ponzi scheme", or something similar, and calling people playing it "stupid" because we don't understand that. We are not fooled in some kind of scam, because for it to be a scam we must be scamed of something. Scamed of what? We are not promised any profit. We are not promised to get any money back. We know most of us will never get any money to withdraw from the game, most of us accept that, some others clearly don't............
Please try to keep discussions about the game on a level that brings information to the reader that is correct and not 50% BS, because the point of the forum is the give the reader a possiblity to make their own judgement. Best way to do that is to try the game. It's free to download and try it.
Hi.
Please quote me next time you want to accuse me of making statements calling people stupid for not agreeing with my point of view, because quite frankly what you have said here is simply not true. I did not call anyone any names whatsoever, aside from the PR team for this game, and as a current player of Entropia I feel I am well informed enough to both make that call, and feel that many community members agree with me.
As for Entropia being a Ponzi scheme, it is. I posted the definition of a Ponzi scheme conveniently on this thread, and dissected Entropia Universe how it relates to that definition. Aside from the word fraudulent, every other aspect of a Ponzi Scheme is 100% present in Entropia Universe. If you have any doubts please scroll back. If you think my assessment to be not accurate, please quote me, and offer feedback where you think correction is necessary.
As the Entropia Community seems to think itself "full of mature adults" I dont think I should have to illustrate how a debate is handled, therefore I will not do it again. Any further attempts to misdirect statements of mine and turn them into venom serving your own purposes shall be responded to with an amount of verbal ferocity I deem appropriate at the time based on my mood. I do not consider lies and misdirection of my words to be civil, therefore expect a very uncivilized reply if you choose to walk that path!
With regard to criticisms against Entropia, every game has its faults. Entropia is not an angel in a sea of cyber devils, its just another petty demon offering cheap pleasure. Thats the reality, friend. Folks on Entropia dedicated forums may be able to hide from that reality, but out here in the rest of cyberspace its free to discuss.
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[quote] I had an Atari, C64 and Amiga before i got to the PC and i play EU and i like it.
I can accept that some people don't like EU, nothing strange with that. I can accept that you say stuff like "it's a very expensive game" or "it's boring", because the game can be expensive and some people can think that the game is "boring". What i can't accept is that some people calls it a "ponzi scheme", or something similar, and calling people playing it "stupid" because we don't understand that. We are not fooled in some kind of scam, because for it to be a scam we must be scamed of something. Scamed of what? We are not promised any profit. We are not promised to get any money back. We know most of us will never get any money to withdraw from the game, most of us accept that, some others clearly don't............
Please try to keep discussions about the game on a level that brings information to the reader that is correct and not 50% BS, because the point of the forum is the give the reader a possiblity to make their own judgement. Best way to do that is to try the game. It's free to download and try it. [/quote]
agreed 100% you didn't get the sarcasm of the post....
Anyways, It seems Rocktropia is going to get a lot of enhancements in the near future. Neverdie hasn't promoted the game yet, and it is for a reason. Although he is bound to the entropia universe rce system it seems he will get those virtual music creating system online in one of the next vu's . I think in a couple of months, we get the full version, this one is simply another landarea with different mobs and textures.
Agreed. As I stated earlier I'll wait until RockTropia is finished before giving it any real attention.
As for the "sarcasm" of the post, I call bullshit. I didnt get the "sarcasm" because it was not present. It amuses me when folks attempt to call people stupid using different words and make believe meanings. One of the tricks of language is that its easy to blur the truth. All a person needs to do is take advantage of the fundamental non confrontational nature of the masses and create a successful appeal to it.
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Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
It wasn't referring to you, but to airboy..
anyways.. the ponzi thingy
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering returns other investments cannot guarantee, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going."
1 entropia universe does not entice investors returns. you are free to do as you choose.
2 a ponzi scheme usually blows up within a year or two, entropia has been around since 2001
3 pre-vu 10 the playerbase was getting thinner, yet it didn't blow up, so entropia does not need an ever increasing flow of money from investors.
4 money invested is partly payed to mindark in decay, and partly to players in the form of loot, and partly in the form of skills
5 skills can be gained freely, yet can also be sold
6 1 to 5 prove your thesis wrong and shows entropia is a game with a real cash economy instead of a ponzi scheme.
7 mindark has been researched if the game was gambling (one arm slot machine) but swedish authorities deemed it not the case, because skills and use of the right tools deliver a different outcome then using a one arm bandit. If you know what you are doing, you can actually profit. ( or loose less LOL)
Gotcha. My bad. I didnt get the direction of the post. :-D
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Lets avoid the personal attacks guys. Play nice
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well i for one have played Entropia since 2005, back when it was simply Project Entropia. i am a player that makes my IRL living from playing this game and i beg to differ that money is not only made from new players. infact, i don't care if anyone here comes to entropia or not.
my living is derived from farming loots with high market value, using uber gear to take down mobs not easily killed by many. while it is true that other players pay me for those loots, often the materials are used by crafters to also profit in the system. or by PVP players to also profit in the PVP system. or by other players who also profit in the system, yada yada.
while rocktropia is not amazing as it has been soft launched, the new areas of gameplay and the new engine are the most exciting things to happen in a long time. entropia is seeing a bit of a player boom as of late and its easy to see why ppl either love or hate this "game."
it is, for the record, completely free to open an account started at rocktropia and wander around to check it out. it only costs $4 to visit rocktropia if you are already a player of the FPC game and wish to go there. ppl should make up their minds if entropia is something they wish to play or not, but it does not cost anything whatsoever to create and account and check that out at either rocktropia or FPC, atm.
In case anyone here wishes to discuss this with Entropia Forum users on their own turf:
http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/entropia-universe-press/185531-rocktropia-discussed-mpog-com.html
They seem to believe themselves rather Erudite over in their non public space. MMORPG.com may not be perfect -- in fact we are by and large full of a bunch of trolls -- but one thing we can say for ourselves over here is we all have to stand on our own merit. Since that community felt it necessary to call in some troops here, Im only returning the favor.
Laudanum - Romance. Revenge. Revolution.
Crappy, petty people breed and raise crappy, petty kids.
and this one:
http://www.entropiaplanets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1420
:-) and yes that's me in the first post.
I never said it was you that had called people was "stupid", i meant it in a more general term about things said in this thread. Like someone, not you saying "I suggest you try and sell this idea to someone you can acually fool, like one with under 30 IQ. Have a wonderful day." We should keep the standard higher than that?