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why choose sith or jedi
LordPravus
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i personally chose sith because im sick of the "good guys" always win and the "bad guys" always loose. when infact sith arent all bad alot of the people out there who want to be sith or even some jedi se us as that but its not that way.
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Since when do the good guys win?
example:starwars movies jedi(good guys) end up winning in the end
Personally, I identify with the Sith Code and philosophy. I will always choose Sith.
"Peace is a Lie, there is only passion.
Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken."
My stupid theory is:
Normally many people have some kind of evil side in themselves. But they are also narcissists, who wanna look cool.
In DAoC many people chose the shiny plate armors of Albion, in WoW mostly the cool classes on the "good" side. When WoW released BC along with the Blood Elf, the Horde was swarmed by them. No more 3 Allies on 1 Horde.
WAR for example made "a little mistake": the evil classes looked quite cool. So the dark side was more populated.
The good guys always win in movies because who really wants to watch the bad guys kick the good guys butt? No one. The whole point in all this stuff is that good will win over evil. And if you think the Sith aren't evil, you don't know anything about the Sith.
The sith leadership is definitely evil, just as the Empire's was. However just like in real life their ranks are filled with regular people. Which means they are comprised of both good and evil and some who are somewhere in the middle. Do you think every German who served in WW2 was evil, or were they just like every other soldier, who simply follows orders and follows through on their pledge to serve their country?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Malickie, I've read every Star Wars book ever made, not to mention played every game.. EVERY Sith is evil. In the Star Wars universe, good and evil are very palpable things. Touchable. If you're a regular person, you're not a sith because the Sith subscribes to "only the strong survive". That means Sith will screw everyone over that they can just so they can feel better than everyone else. This isn't OUR universe where very very few people are actually good and evil, most are a grade in between.
So no, there are no "regular people" Sith.
You really need to learn more about the way the Sith are.
The Sith were originally a species on Korriban that was enslaved by Dark Jedi. They caused the Hundred Year Darkness which were two gigantic dark side armies. Throughout centuries of interbreding, it came to eventually mean dedication to the Sith way of life. It was a religious order. Anyone who did not subsribe completely to the religious order was not a Sith.
By the time this game takes place, they are NOT "just regular people", they are a religious order. They WERE regular people about 4000 years before this game takes place.
By the time of The Phantom Menace (about a 1000 years previous actually), there had been a new rule instituted by Darth Bane that was taught to ALL his progeny. It was called the "Rule of Two". This meant that there was always a Master and Apprentice, with no other Sith in existance (though the rare rogue was noticed occasionally. The rogue was NEVER "only mildly Sith").
Do you seriously think there are Shaolin Monks in name only? No, of course not. You either are, or you aren't. And Shaolin Monks aren't taught to be bloodthirsty murderous killers willing to do anything to promote their own selfish desires.
Edit: Let me add another example... The Nazi's. While not all Germans were Nazi's, if you WERE a Nazi, you were a Nazi and supported ALL methods or you were dead because the Nazi's would have killed you. There was no such thing as "a dissenting voice", because you'd be killed, and probably tortured as an example before they did it. You didn't walk around claiming to be a Nazi and expect that you wouldn't have to do horrible things to live up to the title. Its the same thing. Evil is evil, and the Nazi's were evil. In this case, the evil is the Sith.
And frankly, its been proven that the more you do evil things the more desensitized you get to it. So even if they started out "just kind of believing", eventually the Sith would have become a true Sith. Remember, one of the ways in which you "proved yourself" was the murder or even torture of innocents like what happened to Anakin.
Evil always has a greater appeal. More often than not, the bad guys "look cooler," or they do things that we can't do in real life - like eat babies and stab people in the face. It's a chance to indulge in our darker desires, even if it's just a game. That being said, there's still a pretty good balance (in most games) between good and evil factions. Frankly, Horde suffered in WoW because they didn't look cool. Simple as that. People thought the Horde races were smelly and ugly (rightly so!), so in an effort to balance the population, Blizzard gave Horde Blood Elves (OMFG MAH BLOOD ELF R SEXY I WUV THEIR TEENAGE ANOREXIC GURLZ!) and it worked like a charm. Hell, if the aesthetics didn't seal the deal, the Paladin option did, especially now that Ret is OP bullschnitzel.
Anyways, it already looks like Empire is going to be more popular in TOR. The Inquisitor, last poll I checked, had a pretty popular following, mostly because he shoots lightning out his ass and spins people around in force cyclones. Not surprising, right? What is surprising is that the Consular was not far behind, because so far, I haven't seen anything that "cool" about the Consular. I suppose people like Force-oriented classes over lightsaber-oriented ones, hence the lessened popularity of the Warrior and the Knight.
What do I care, though? I'll be too busy playing a Trooper.
Edit: And yeah, Sith aren't "just misunderstood people, they're really okay once you get to know them!". They're like Chaos in WAR40k, though just a little less demented.
SImply, because I can relate to the Jedi philosophy. If I were by some miracle in the Star Wars reality (and given I had Force potential of course) I would certainly try to join the Jedi. It's what I would want to be, because I feel it is the right thing to do. I feel driven to make the world better in RL, so in my fantasy playing Jedi sounds good to me.
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Very well said. Thats the core. Sure you can try to do good as Sith in TOR, as we hear. But it will be risky. By nature being Sith is evil, period.
@Comnitus: "things we cant do in RL like eat babies or stab people" Hello? It's not that I can't, it's that I dont WANT. Why should I, unless I were mentally sicko?
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Being a Jedi as all about following an ideal - taking the hard path because it is the right path.
In games like Kotor, being a Jedi meant that you had to help every poor soul you ran across, even though it was outside of your important mission you took time to help the little guy. Same went for being a Paragon in the Mass Effect games. It was more then just about choosing the "light side" answer in the dialogue, it was about completing all the side missions and quests to help out the little folk and put a stop to the bad folk.
A sith, a renegade, on the other hand, would just as well ignore the little folk, good or evil, they have their eye on the end game, the prize, the power and completion.
It was the difference between a 30 hour through of ME2 and a 60 hour play through.
The Jedi are patient, calculating.
I know Bioware is VERY skilled at bringing this interesting dynamic across in their games. It will be interesting to see if the Light Side path is a longer path of leveling, but a more rewarding one in TOR.
I think that'd be a brilliant game design decision.
Where as the Light Side players who skip a lot of the side missions and quests and ignore the little guys to focus on their primary mission would have a much easier chance of falling into situations/encounters where they are termpted by the seductive nature of the Dark side. Faster... easier...
It's the very debate between like fast leveling and a focus on "end game" and a slower, more diliberate and "journey first" focus on MMO advancement.
Hey I was a big ugly troll in DAoC =P
Personally for TOR, I'm not Jedi or Sith, I'll be a Republic Trooper.
Destroying a planet of peaceful and innocent people as they go about thier daily biz.....EVIL!
Nuff said.
I played KOTOR to the end as light side and dark side.
It was not like that. As dark side you had to go out of your way to be evil. You didn't just ignore the little guy asking for help, you had to make his life even more miserable, by robbing him or killing him if you wanted Dark side points (and you did to open up the Darkside skills).
Neither path was more difficult than the other. Dark and Light sides were equally difficult.
The game allowed a good bit of leeway, so YOU may have played it that way, but you didnt' have to do all the side quests to finish the game as light side.
Go back history classes. Nazi is common term National Socialists party, that was elect on democratic process. Not all people who were members of Nazi party agreed on all stuff and there was lot of debates on various subjects. This could be said on any person who votes nowdays, rarely they agree on everything that party is driving. Comparing Sith to Nazis is childish and typical black and white view of world. World of Star Wars is very black and white since it is written mostly by one person where as history is writen by billions.
I personally will test both sides. Usually choosing side depens on community of that side on that current moment when I'm testing.
If you read every novel/book/comic or played every game you'd recall Bane, or 'Des' as he used to be called, and his unit. I forget their name, ghost something i can't remember. However, I DO remember them being average soldiers, who actually gave a thought about each other, helping each other out. < That is NOT a sith. A Sith see's someone who needs help as weak, or a tool to use. Bane may have saw them that way in the end, but not as first. Ah I think the unit was Gloom Walkers?.. Anyway.. Those are the average joes in the sith army. The Sith 'Lords' or Force users so to speak, are definately all under the cloak of evil. They have to be to be there. There is proof of this later in the third book (SPOILER ALERT) When you find out that his sergeant or someone, a woman, survived. Became friends with the daughter of a man Bane Brutally 'disassembled' and protected her throughout their friendship, anyway she could. That is not evil, but she was infact a Sith, and only wasn't because they lost the war, thanks to Bane. (SPOILER ALERT OVER.)
Then again there was a nice and friendly student who spoke to you on Korriban in Knights of the Old Republic one, who was rather excited about being there and was all too easily manipulated (if you chose to show him how a real sith acts.)
So there you have it. Maybe you need to read it all again, but your not far off. But hey, reading every star wars book or play every game again isn't exactly a bad thing now is it.
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Yes, that's the way the game was designed. But most of the time those "petty cruelties" (quote from Traya, KOTOR2) were completely pointless. IMO they should NOT have awarded dark side points at all. Wasting one's time and energy is not the way of the dark side.
Every sith I ever saw or read about was evil. Plain and simple. While some like Vader repented and became good, that still doesn't change the evil that they did. If you join the sith, you shouldn't expect to be a do gooder and I hope that the penalties are severe enough in game to make this more in line with the IP. Same goes for the Jedi who chooses to kill the disobeying general.
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The sith are evil, and i plan on playing one.
Some sith join the order for power and domination, others have different reasons. For instance, Anakin fell to the darkside because he was a moron and thought that he could save Padme from dying that way and they could live happily ever after. But it is true, once you fall to deep into the darkside you become evil as fuck.
So you might start out having a humane reason (love, passion, all that jazz), but it all gets twisted and perverted by the power of the dark side. and bane is the one who trick fucked the entire sith order into destroying itself so he could take over and institute the rule of two.
The sith are way more powerful then the jedi, its just the jedi doesnt run around slaughtering each other to try to be the leader of the pack. Thats why the sith always failed and the rule of two came about. And everything would of been just fine and dandy for the sith if Vader wasnt such a pussy.
Exactly how I feel about it +1 The Sith know what they want and do what they have to to take it.
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Sith aren't inherently evil though, as Jedi aren't inherently good though theres a line blur as far as jedi, or dark jedi or sith and variations as such.
If you join the sith faction, you should expect that you can still follow a light path of the sith if you choose, as you can follow the dark path as a jedi.
One example of a flip flopper would be Revan.
Well stated. I think most will want to play as Sith to give themselfs the "bad boy" image but I'm afraid that most won't live up to the role. It's my feeling that playing the role of Sith you should expect to be evil and become more evil as you go along. Will there any ability to team kill here? I.E. kill your master. KOTOR in general tried to steer you in the direction of being good the whole way through the game. Everytime you wanted to be bad, there was a "check" in place to question your decision. I hated that. If some sissy NPC was complaining and I want to stick my lightsaber through his neck, I shouldn't have Bastila telling me not to. My 2 cents.
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I already addressed the flip floppers.
If you join the Sith Empire then you are saying that it is okay to use fear and oppression as a means to maintaining power. That would make your character by definition evil. You might not be so willing to kill that general for disobeying orders, but you are still legitmizing those tactics by wearing that uniform.That makes your character just as guilty. You are either really evil or evil, but you can't be a good character fighting for the Sith Empire. That's an oxymoron.
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Vader was improperly trained. Sidious was an affront to the rule of two. YEs, he managed to realise Bane's dream, BUT he failed UNTTERLY at adhearinf to the rule of two, and training his apprentices properly.
The problew was he was afraid to get his hands dirty (an obvious sign of weakness) and instead sought more and more powerful apprentices to enforce his will in his stead.
His failure is evident in Vader's offer to Luke " together we can destroy the emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son". If trained properly in the Rule Of Two, Vader would have realised that he ALONE needed to defeat his master in order to claim the mantle of Sith Lord for himself.
Vader had amazing potential...but his mentor failed him, and thus Vader failed the Sith.
I take the almost the opposite view as you, OP. While the good guys may always win in most stories, the bad guys tend to dominate games like this, in terms of the image people want for their characters. People equate evil to doing whatever you please without concern for the consequences, and think that's cool.
Personally, I find the "evil" side almost always runs on flawed logic and a narrow perspective on the world - which I find ridiculous and stay away from. I tend to play on the good side when I can because not trying to be cool in that way seems to leave me being more unique anyway. Given, the good guys in the Star Wars universe can be quite short-sighted themselves and somehow extremely prone to being corrupted.
I'm going jedi consular as my first character after reading their description - they use logic and reason to find their way, not by rigidly clinging to static principles of some ancient texts, or some ambiguous, highly fallible moral code.
After that though, it appeals to me to be the more down-to-earth character - one of the non-force-using classes that doesn't have too cheesy of a characature, such as trooper or agent. Then it'd be easy to cut through all the bs and just make whatever decision you felt like without worrying about "turning".