Sometimes, I just don't get the newer MMO community. Crap...maybe that means I'm getting old?!?! Hehe. But seriously. People scream, kick and cry for solo (non-forced grouping)...and when developers cater to them...they scream, kick and cry: "This is not an MMO!!!"
Really? I just don't get it. I have a feeling that today's MMOers have no clue what they really want. Actually, I do - they all just want a World of Warcraft 2...haha. But seriously. My impression of TOR so far is that its going to be similar to that of STO (with alot more interactive Bioware-esqu story telling). You'll be able to solo everything and it will be pretty "instanced" and exclusive to you (or friends should you choose). I also think that alot are going to complain about it when it finally does release. The typical "fail" will be used over and over in several forum posts because people just hyped themselves up too much and unrealistic ideas about what this game is really going to be.
Be that as it may, I think Bioware will excell (as usual) in their story-telling abilities. However, I'm pretty sure this is not going to be a game that is made for everyone in mind. Its going to be an MMO for th RPGers that love games like Dragon Age, etc.
That's just my opinion. Not following this game to closely (WHAT?? Someone not actually following this game? I know, right?!). So my impressions could be way off. Kudos to everyone!
It's hard to believe that when people like Skyewauker moderate the boards. WHO just happens to be the Guild leader of OATH Gaming, a Large Raiding guild, who runs roughshod on the The old Republic forums, its hard to have any hope for this game.
Bullshit, Skyewauker is just a regular poster, of a regular not well known raiding guild.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Sometimes, I just don't get the newer MMO community. Crap...maybe that means I'm getting old?!?! Hehe. But seriously. People scream, kick and cry for solo (non-forced grouping)...and when developers cater to them...they scream, kick and cry: "This is not an MMO!!!"
I know. The hypocrisy is getting aggravating as hell.
Really? I just don't get it. I have a feeling that today's MMOers have no clue what they really want. Actually, I do - they all just want a World of Warcraft 2...haha. But seriously. My impression of TOR so far is that its going to be similar to that of STO (with alot more interactive Bioware-esqu story telling). You'll be able to solo everything and it will be pretty "instanced" and exclusive to you (or friends should you choose). I also think that alot are going to complain about it when it finally does release. The typical "fail" will be used over and over in several forum posts because people just hyped themselves up too much and unrealistic ideas about what this game is really going to be.
I have no problem with mostly solo. I rarely group anyway, though I belong to guilds for when I want to. The reason I don't group is that you are then forced to do as the group does. When grouping, you have to go where the group goes, there's a lottery for any of the good loot and you usually NEVER get it, and you can't explore or harvest.
I doubt it will be that instanced. There's like one or two articles that talk about it but so what. Most games are at least partially instanced. The problem would only come if its STO where EVERYTHING is instanced but the space stations. My god that game sucks. It was rushed and it FEELS like it was rushed. Being able to release an MMO in a year and a half is NOT something to be prouf of no matter what Cryptic wants to think.
Be that as it may, I think Bioware will excell (as usual) in their story-telling abilities. However, I'm pretty sure this is not going to be a game that is made for everyone in mind. Its going to be an MMO for th RPGers that love games like Dragon Age, etc.
Of course not, its going to be a game for Star Wars fans. Dragon Age, Mass Effect 1 & 2, and Knights of the Old Republic are fantastic games. I'm on my third play through on Dragon Age, I only played once for Mass Effect 1, I'm on my third playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I've played each knights of the old Republic at least 15 times, with mods. Bioware makes severely replayable games just to see the results of choices later. And the new idea of making your choices matter to all expansions and sequals just makes the game so much more fun.
That's just my opinion. Not following this game to closely (WHAT?? Someone not actually following this game? I know, right?!). So my impressions could be way off. Kudos to everyone!
Han Solo is another example of a guy who wasn't a Rebel or part of the Empire, he was just a man who wanted to earn a living. He got dragged into the whole rebel thing but in Episode 4 he was very much in it for himself. Tbh when I see Smuggler and Bounty Hunter being attached to their factions it really pisses me off. I don't want to be fighting for a faction, I want to be fighting for money, my own gain.
This is what Star Wars has lost now it has been dumbed down for 12 year olds. They keep saying about how Star Wars is about action and being fast paced and lightsabers etc etc. No for me it was the atmosphere of the Star Wars Galaxy. I wanted to feel like I'm living there and doing my own thing, that's what SWG pre CU offered me. I wish SOE added content for the game, but instead they decided to ruin it for the tards.
Like he says how in the old movies you hardly ever saw lightsaber battles. When you did they were short and meaningful, they had tons more impact than the new movies. The Jedi and Sith in the new movies can't wait to get them out at every moment and it ruins the magical feel they had of the old movies. Star Wars isn't about giant battles with hundreds of Jedi fighting with lightsabers, them scene were so boring and ruined everything.
This is what SWTOR is aiming for and that is why I'm not interested in it.
Han Solo is another example of a guy who wasn't a Rebel or part of the Empire, he was just a man who wanted to earn a living. He got dragged into the whole rebel thing but in Episode 4 he was very much in it for himself. Tbh when I see Smuggler and Bounty Hunter being attached to their factions it really pisses me off. I don't want to be fighting for a faction, I want to be fighting for money, my own gain.
He might have been neutral in episode 4, but he was with the alliance by episode 5.
This is what Star Wars has lost now it has been dumbed down for 12 year olds. They keep saying about how Star Wars is about action and being fast paced and lightsabers etc etc. No for me it was the atmosphere of the Star Wars Galaxy. I wanted to feel like I'm living there and doing my own thing, that's what SWG pre CU offered me. I wish SOE added content for the game, but instead they decided to ruin it for the tards.
Like he says how in the old movies you hardly ever saw lightsaber battles. When you did they were short and meaningful, they had tons more impact than the new movies. The Jedi and Sith in the new movies can't wait to get them out at every moment and it ruins the magical feel they had of the old movies. Star Wars isn't about giant battles with hundreds of Jedi fighting with lightsabers, them scene were so boring and ruined everything.
This is what SWTOR is aiming for and that is why I'm not interested in it.
The reason you saw fewer lightsaber battles is because the jedi were all but extinct. But you did see tons of battles the only difference was it was pistols and rifles. The very first shot of episode 4 is a battlecruiser shooting at a smaller ship. They then board the ship and another battle takes place. Episode 5 has a big battle on Hoth at the beginning and the Falcon is being shot at thru the entire movie. I don't see where you're getting this idea that the original movies didn't have lots of battles. It was called Star WARS for a reason.
And seriously, we've known for a long time that this wasn't going to be SWG2. Get over it already.
I'd be willing to bet that the ONLY thing they have in common are being MMOs. And of course, the obvious Star Wars name infront of them..... but that doesn't really mean a whole lot anymore.
I'm not sure I would consider SWTOR an MMO...
Besides yourself, how many people care if you consider it an MMORPG or not? It's a game and perhaps if MMO doesn't serve you there are other flexible ways of thinking about it.
They shouldn't charge a monthly fee for a game that's not an MMO. Nor should they market it as an MMO.
Hmmm.. so you think you should not have to pay a subscription for a game that requires monthly server maintenance on BioWare's part and not have to pay for the development time to add new content? It's an MMO that also caters to the people that like to solo. Just because you CAN play 95% of the game alone doesn't mean that most WILL (and I'm not even sure I trust your percentage). The fact that you have the option to make it as MMO-ish as you want by default makes it an MMO.
What kind of weapons does a Jedi use besides a lightsabre?
I mean, a Jedi (or Sith) seems to be a kind of a battlemage, using "the Force" as magic. But will you wear lightsabre and maybe a pistol forever? I ask because I didn´t see many lightaxes, lighthammers or lightshields in the movies and the items´ diversity might be a little lacking. Or will the colour of the sword play any role? Blue = damage+1, Red = +2, Pink +3 and so on...
Hmmm.. so you think you should not have to pay a subscription for a game that requires monthly server maintenance on BioWare's part and not have to pay for the development time to add new content?
Like players of Guild Wars don't?
It's an MMO that also caters to the people that like to solo. Just because you CAN play 95% of the game alone doesn't mean that most WILL (and I'm not even sure I trust your percentage).
Yes, it does. That's exactly what it means.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
There feels like two sides all the time and with the original trilogy you felt like there was many different sides and the ones you were seeing are only part of it. For example in the new movies it feels like you can only be Sith of Jedi with all the schools and stuff. In the old movies the force felt much more magical and special. It felt like the force and wasn't tied down to these sides. I know them old movies had two sides against eachother, but you never felt restricted.
This is what I hate about SWTOR the most because I can't choose my own path, I can only fight for Sith or jedi. Tbh I'm pretty sure there is free will, so what if you want to use your powers for what you believe in? If I can't do that then I don't want to play the game because that isn't what Star Wars is about. Just what Lucas has made it into. What I loved about SWG cause it had freelance and you could tell your own tale before SOE ruined it.
This is the easiest argument ever.....It's TWO-sided, the entire structure of the story focuses on the balance of good versus evil, Star Wars goes out of its way to show that you can't survice on neutraility. So you pick a side and go with it.
Light-Dark
Jedi-Sith
Rebellion-Empire
Good-Evil
There's not a single third option in the entire Star Wars Universe.
Ugh...at some point Devs will look outside the box.
Honestly OP, every single Star Wars film was about good vs. evil, Jedi vs. Sith. Empire vs. Republic (or rebeliion). Fall from grace and redemption from evil. It has always been the exact same theme. SWTOR is no different except that it is set in a period of time long before the Empire of the original movies.
Varny, Han STILL isn't a "third faction". He's a single person. He WASN'T middle ground or he wouldn't have joined the Rebellion to fight against the Empire. If he was middle ground, he wouldn't have taken a side.
Varny, Han STILL isn't a "third faction". He's a single person. He WASN'T middle ground or he wouldn't have joined the Rebellion to fight against the Empire. If he was middle ground, he wouldn't have taken a side.
Han was basically an officer in the rebellion from rotj on. Once his issues with jabba were settled he was able to serve with them full time. He was attempting to run when he tried to leave the Rebels, he was a hunted man afterall.
The whole point behind Star Wars is a civil war story. Which means everyone is involved in some way in the war. Even the hutts were involved to some degree, hell Ewoks got involved.
Realistically there's only two sides, The Empire and those who have sided with them, then the rest of the galaxy who were in fear of the galactic Empire rebels included..
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What kind of weapons does a Jedi use besides a lightsabre?
I mean, a Jedi (or Sith) seems to be a kind of a battlemage, using "the Force" as magic. But will you wear lightsabre and maybe a pistol forever? I ask because I didn´t see many lightaxes, lighthammers or lightshields in the movies and the items´ diversity might be a little lacking.
Or will the colour of the sword play any role? Blue = damage+1, Red = +2, Pink +3 and so on...
The lightsaber was a symbol of the Jedi. Obi was right when he said "not as clumsy or inaccurate as a blaster". Thats right. Its also not easy to use and takes many years of training, accompanied by ability to use the force. Its an EXTREMELY dangerous weapon.
You don't see lightaxes, lighthammers, or lightshields because they didn't exist.
You DO see force pike's, Ryyk blades, amphistaff's, lightwhips (which are really rare because they're as difficult, or even more so, than a lightsaber) and the like. The majority of Star Wars residents used some form of blaster or vibro-weapon (vibro sword, rapier, blade or dagger).
It was just a fluke that Han managed to use Luke's lightsaber without cutting his own head off (or any other part of his body for that matter).
Not to mention that anyone other than a Jedi using a lightsaber just didn't happen. There's a reason for that. Its like a person wearing a Habit or a Priests collar. It just doesn't happen. Not because other people can't or because its against the law or anything, just because "it just isn't done". Kind of like insulting the President during his speech in Congress, or touching the British Queen without asking. You just don't do it. That is... if you are in any way part of normal society and actually have morals. Its just the way society works.
Yes, they probably WILL use their lightsaber forever. It will probably be with them until the day they die. That doesn't mean they won't use other weapons as well, but a lightsaber is a symbol of hope to the people Star Wars universe.
The color of the sword has never meant anything in terms of damage and the like in the Star Wars universe.
In the movies, blue was used for the good guys in the original, and red for the bad guys because Lucas wanted to make sure you could distinguish one from the other on screen easily.
Then it went to green, blue and red because blue wouldn't stand out well on the blue screen they were using for background effects at the time. So green and blue came to mean the good guys, and red the bad guys.
KoToR established further colors where you could change your color crystal to any crystal you wanted.
Personally, my favorite was always blue or silver.
But thats just color and really means nothing.
KoToR also established something new... lightsaber crystals do more than just change your color. The color is besides the point. The OTHER crystals added to your lightsaber are what gives it power. A lightsaber attuned to the Jedi (usually means "built by" said Jedi) gave a plus 1 to hit. LIghtsabers not attuned by said Jedi, don't.
Then you also have the Opila, Adegan, synthetic, Ankarres Sapphire, Barab Ore, Bondar, Damind, Dragite, Eralam, Firkann, Kaiburr, Hurricane, Katak, Krayt Dragon Pearl, Lambent, Stygium, Solari, Rubat, Ruukan, Sigl, Upari, Velmorite, Phond, Qixoni, Ultima-pearl, and Leronium. And thats only so far (I may have missed some in there).
There are several others that exist as special crystals and are the only one of their type known to exist so I didn't name them.
Those crystals will not change the color but will change the effect. It will change the type of damage, the amount of damage, how well you block other lightsabers and/or blaster bolts, etc. Each crystal has a different bonus, and sometimes a negative. The most powerful was the Kaiburr crystal, but there is only one in existence. It's so large that the occasional shard is chipped off for use in lightsabers.
Depending on the type of lightsaber, the kind of hilt, and the skill of the maker, a lightsaber can have as many as 3 crystals and as few as one. Without a crystal inside it, the lightsaber won't work because the crystal focuses the light to create the saber.
The lightsaber was a symbol of the Jedi. Obi was right when he said "not as clumsy or inaccurate as a blaster".
[nerd mode] It was "random" not "inaccurate".[/nerd mode]
Thats right. Its also not easy to use and takes many years of training, accompanied by ability to use the force. Its an EXTREMELY dangerous weapon.
You don't see lightaxes, lighthammers, or lightshields because they didn't exist.
Although lightshields WOULD be useful.
You DO see force pike's, Ryyk blades, amphistaff's, lightwhips (which are really rare because they're as difficult, or even more so, than a lightsaber) and the like. The majority of Star Wars residents used some form of blaster or vibro-weapon (vibro sword, rapier, blade or dagger).
It was just a fluke that Han managed to use Luke's lightsaber without cutting his own head off (or any other part of his body for that matter).
I think Darth Maul MUST have sliced himself a few times learning to use his dual sabre. He MUST have.
Not to mention that anyone other than a Jedi using a lightsaber just didn't happen. There's a reason for that. Its like a person wearing a Habit or a Priests collar. It just doesn't happen. Not because other people can't or because its against the law or anything, just because "it just isn't done". Kind of like insulting the President during his speech in Congress, or touching the British Queen without asking.
No, people don't do those things - out of fear for the repercussions.
You just don't do it. That is... if you are in any way part of normal society and actually have morals. Its just the way society works.
Yes, they probably WILL use their lightsaber forever. It will probably be with them until the day they die. That doesn't mean they won't use other weapons as well, but a lightsaber is a symbol of hope to the people Star Wars universe.
The color of the sword has never meant anything in terms of damage and the like in the Star Wars universe.
In the movies, blue was used for the good guys in the original, and red for the bad guys because Lucas wanted to make sure you could distinguish one from the other on screen easily.
Then it went to green, blue and red because blue wouldn't stand out well on the blue screen they were using for background effects at the time. So green and blue came to mean the good guys, and red the bad guys.
KoToR established further colors where you could change your color crystal to any crystal you wanted.
Personally, my favorite was always blue or silver.
But thats just color and really means nothing.
KoToR also established something new... lightsaber crystals do more than just change your color. The color is besides the point. The OTHER crystals added to your lightsaber are what gives it power. A lightsaber attuned to the Jedi (usually means "built by" said Jedi) gave a plus 1 to hit. LIghtsabers not attuned by said Jedi, don't.
Then you also have the Opila, Adegan, synthetic, Ankarres Sapphire, Barab Ore, Bondar, Damind, Dragite, Eralam, Firkann, Kaiburr, Hurricane, Katak, Krayt Dragon Pearl, Lambent, Stygium, Solari, Rubat, Ruukan, Sigl, Upari, Velmorite, Phond, Qixoni, Ultima-pearl, and Leronium. And thats only so far (I may have missed some in there).
THAT'S sounding an awful lot like WoW, there.
There are several others that exist as special crystals and are the only one of their type known to exist so I didn't name them.
Those crystals will not change the color but will change the effect. It will change the type of damage, the amount of damage, how well you block other lightsabers and/or blaster bolts, etc. Each crystal has a different bonus, and sometimes a negative. The most powerful was the Kaiburr crystal, but there is only one in existence. It's so large that the occasional shard is chipped off for use in lightsabers.
Depending on the type of lightsaber, the kind of hilt, and the skill of the maker, a lightsaber can have as many as 3 crystals and as few as one. Without a crystal inside it, the lightsaber won't work because the crystal focuses the light to create the saber.
Yes, I'm a Star Wars geek.
Not bad, you missed on the quote, though.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
There feels like two sides all the time and with the original trilogy you felt like there was many different sides and the ones you were seeing are only part of it. For example in the new movies it feels like you can only be Sith of Jedi with all the schools and stuff. In the old movies the force felt much more magical and special. It felt like the force and wasn't tied down to these sides. I know them old movies had two sides against eachother, but you never felt restricted.
This is what I hate about SWTOR the most because I can't choose my own path, I can only fight for Sith or jedi. Tbh I'm pretty sure there is free will, so what if you want to use your powers for what you believe in? If I can't do that then I don't want to play the game because that isn't what Star Wars is about. Just what Lucas has made it into. What I loved about SWG cause it had freelance and you could tell your own tale before SOE ruined it.
You are, though, getting an immersive and plot filled game. I don't think class/factions a bad thing for a mmo. In the movies much of the focus was on the Jedi faction so really I wonder a little which movies you have been watching? Anyway, whatever, if SW:TOR isn't for you then simply play another game.
Someone tell me what is so great about SWTOR. A list of all the great features so i can work out why its hype is so high.
I'm pretty sure that it's primarily the implications inherent in an RPG developer making an MMO. It's a first, and it carries heavy expectations with it regarding the three letters that have been lacking in MMORPGs for some time.
Reinforcing those expectations are most of the thus-far-confirmed features like full voiceovers, multiplayer dialogues, class-specific storylines, and the Old Republic time period as a setting in itself.
Players more interested in the elements beyond the RPG expectations seem most interested in the Mass Effect-esque cover system and an interlock melee system the likes of which hasn't been seen since The Matrix Online.
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The lightsaber was a symbol of the Jedi. Obi was right when he said "not as clumsy or inaccurate as a blaster".
[nerd mode] It was "random" not "inaccurate".[/nerd mode]
Thats right. Its also not easy to use and takes many years of training, accompanied by ability to use the force. Its an EXTREMELY dangerous weapon.
You don't see lightaxes, lighthammers, or lightshields because they didn't exist.
Although lightshields WOULD be useful.
You DO see force pike's, Ryyk blades, amphistaff's, lightwhips (which are really rare because they're as difficult, or even more so, than a lightsaber) and the like. The majority of Star Wars residents used some form of blaster or vibro-weapon (vibro sword, rapier, blade or dagger).
It was just a fluke that Han managed to use Luke's lightsaber without cutting his own head off (or any other part of his body for that matter).
I think Darth Maul MUST have sliced himself a few times learning to use his dual sabre. He MUST have.
Not to mention that anyone other than a Jedi using a lightsaber just didn't happen. There's a reason for that. Its like a person wearing a Habit or a Priests collar. It just doesn't happen. Not because other people can't or because its against the law or anything, just because "it just isn't done". Kind of like insulting the President during his speech in Congress, or touching the British Queen without asking.
No, people don't do those things - out of fear for the repercussions.
You just don't do it. That is... if you are in any way part of normal society and actually have morals. Its just the way society works.
Yes, they probably WILL use their lightsaber forever. It will probably be with them until the day they die. That doesn't mean they won't use other weapons as well, but a lightsaber is a symbol of hope to the people Star Wars universe.
The color of the sword has never meant anything in terms of damage and the like in the Star Wars universe.
In the movies, blue was used for the good guys in the original, and red for the bad guys because Lucas wanted to make sure you could distinguish one from the other on screen easily.
Then it went to green, blue and red because blue wouldn't stand out well on the blue screen they were using for background effects at the time. So green and blue came to mean the good guys, and red the bad guys.
KoToR established further colors where you could change your color crystal to any crystal you wanted.
Personally, my favorite was always blue or silver.
But thats just color and really means nothing.
KoToR also established something new... lightsaber crystals do more than just change your color. The color is besides the point. The OTHER crystals added to your lightsaber are what gives it power. A lightsaber attuned to the Jedi (usually means "built by" said Jedi) gave a plus 1 to hit. LIghtsabers not attuned by said Jedi, don't.
Then you also have the Opila, Adegan, synthetic, Ankarres Sapphire, Barab Ore, Bondar, Damind, Dragite, Eralam, Firkann, Kaiburr, Hurricane, Katak, Krayt Dragon Pearl, Lambent, Stygium, Solari, Rubat, Ruukan, Sigl, Upari, Velmorite, Phond, Qixoni, Ultima-pearl, and Leronium. And thats only so far (I may have missed some in there).
THAT'S sounding an awful lot like WoW, there.
There are several others that exist as special crystals and are the only one of their type known to exist so I didn't name them.
Those crystals will not change the color but will change the effect. It will change the type of damage, the amount of damage, how well you block other lightsabers and/or blaster bolts, etc. Each crystal has a different bonus, and sometimes a negative. The most powerful was the Kaiburr crystal, but there is only one in existence. It's so large that the occasional shard is chipped off for use in lightsabers.
Depending on the type of lightsaber, the kind of hilt, and the skill of the maker, a lightsaber can have as many as 3 crystals and as few as one. Without a crystal inside it, the lightsaber won't work because the crystal focuses the light to create the saber.
Yes, I'm a Star Wars geek.
Not bad, you missed on the quote, though.
Thanks, and yeah I know. Sorry. I was at work and kept getting interupted by phone calls. It took me nearly an hour to write it and I'm now noticing spelling and grammar errors too. I'm bad but not that bad. Boss doesn't care if we're on the internet so long as we drop everything we're doing whenever we have to deal with a guest.
Thanks, and yeah I know. Sorry. I was at work and kept getting interupted by phone calls. It took me nearly an hour to write it and I'm now noticing spelling and grammar errors too. I'm bad but not that bad. Boss doesn't care if we're on the internet so long as we drop everything we're doing whenever we have to deal with a guest.
All in all it was a very interesting read.
That Obi-Wan quote is just one of the things I have memorized from watching the first two films so many times. People mis-quote the Luke/Darth "I am your father" exchange in ESB a lot, as well.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Its not out yet!! I hate pre-release hype, people taking sides "it will be the best ever" vs "it will fail", No one knows how it will do, but I cant wait to try it.
So what I hate is, its not out, and the pre-release fanboys and haters drawing the battle lines.
Good and evil is all perception. So no matter how unique and free spirited you try to be, fighting for what you personally believe in or deem right is ultimately; in someone's eyes out there good (or evil).
How come when Knights of the old republic comes out it hailed as being one of the greatest star wars adaptions but when they create an MMO in the same universe with almost the exact same things as the games previous (as far as Items and combat go) it's deemed really not star wars?
How come when Knights of the old republic comes out it hailed as being one of the greatest star wars adaptions but when they create an MMO in the same universe with almost the exact same things as the games previous (as far as Items and combat go) it's deemed really not star wars?
Because the MMO community is probably the most jaded of all gaming communities. Many of them look at MMOs not as games but potential homes to live a second life. Most of the MMOs that have come out since WOW have moved away from the old sandbox format to a thempark one . This one is going to be a themepark so those that wanted the second coming of SWG are angry so expect ridiculous statements like "It isn't an MMO" , "It isn't Star Wars" "This game will fail."
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Sometimes, I just don't get the newer MMO community. Crap...maybe that means I'm getting old?!?! Hehe. But seriously. People scream, kick and cry for solo (non-forced grouping)...and when developers cater to them...they scream, kick and cry: "This is not an MMO!!!"
Really? I just don't get it. I have a feeling that today's MMOers have no clue what they really want. Actually, I do - they all just want a World of Warcraft 2...haha. But seriously. My impression of TOR so far is that its going to be similar to that of STO (with alot more interactive Bioware-esqu story telling). You'll be able to solo everything and it will be pretty "instanced" and exclusive to you (or friends should you choose). I also think that alot are going to complain about it when it finally does release. The typical "fail" will be used over and over in several forum posts because people just hyped themselves up too much and unrealistic ideas about what this game is really going to be.
Be that as it may, I think Bioware will excell (as usual) in their story-telling abilities. However, I'm pretty sure this is not going to be a game that is made for everyone in mind. Its going to be an MMO for th RPGers that love games like Dragon Age, etc.
That's just my opinion. Not following this game to closely (WHAT?? Someone not actually following this game? I know, right?!). So my impressions could be way off. Kudos to everyone!
Bullshit, Skyewauker is just a regular poster, of a regular not well known raiding guild.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Han Solo is another example of a guy who wasn't a Rebel or part of the Empire, he was just a man who wanted to earn a living. He got dragged into the whole rebel thing but in Episode 4 he was very much in it for himself. Tbh when I see Smuggler and Bounty Hunter being attached to their factions it really pisses me off. I don't want to be fighting for a faction, I want to be fighting for money, my own gain.
This is what Star Wars has lost now it has been dumbed down for 12 year olds. They keep saying about how Star Wars is about action and being fast paced and lightsabers etc etc. No for me it was the atmosphere of the Star Wars Galaxy. I wanted to feel like I'm living there and doing my own thing, that's what SWG pre CU offered me. I wish SOE added content for the game, but instead they decided to ruin it for the tards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
This guy explains everything.
Like he says how in the old movies you hardly ever saw lightsaber battles. When you did they were short and meaningful, they had tons more impact than the new movies. The Jedi and Sith in the new movies can't wait to get them out at every moment and it ruins the magical feel they had of the old movies. Star Wars isn't about giant battles with hundreds of Jedi fighting with lightsabers, them scene were so boring and ruined everything.
This is what SWTOR is aiming for and that is why I'm not interested in it.
The reason you saw fewer lightsaber battles is because the jedi were all but extinct. But you did see tons of battles the only difference was it was pistols and rifles. The very first shot of episode 4 is a battlecruiser shooting at a smaller ship. They then board the ship and another battle takes place. Episode 5 has a big battle on Hoth at the beginning and the Falcon is being shot at thru the entire movie. I don't see where you're getting this idea that the original movies didn't have lots of battles. It was called Star WARS for a reason.
And seriously, we've known for a long time that this wasn't going to be SWG2. Get over it already.
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Hmmm.. so you think you should not have to pay a subscription for a game that requires monthly server maintenance on BioWare's part and not have to pay for the development time to add new content? It's an MMO that also caters to the people that like to solo. Just because you CAN play 95% of the game alone doesn't mean that most WILL (and I'm not even sure I trust your percentage). The fact that you have the option to make it as MMO-ish as you want by default makes it an MMO.
What kind of weapons does a Jedi use besides a lightsabre?
I mean, a Jedi (or Sith) seems to be a kind of a battlemage, using "the Force" as magic. But will you wear lightsabre and maybe a pistol forever? I ask because I didn´t see many lightaxes, lighthammers or lightshields in the movies and the items´ diversity might be a little lacking.
Or will the colour of the sword play any role? Blue = damage+1, Red = +2, Pink +3 and so on...
Yes, it does. That's exactly what it means.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
This is the easiest argument ever.....It's TWO-sided, the entire structure of the story focuses on the balance of good versus evil, Star Wars goes out of its way to show that you can't survice on neutraility. So you pick a side and go with it.
Light-Dark
Jedi-Sith
Rebellion-Empire
Good-Evil
There's not a single third option in the entire Star Wars Universe.
Ugh...at some point Devs will look outside the box.
Honestly OP, every single Star Wars film was about good vs. evil, Jedi vs. Sith. Empire vs. Republic (or rebeliion). Fall from grace and redemption from evil. It has always been the exact same theme. SWTOR is no different except that it is set in a period of time long before the Empire of the original movies.
swg was horrid even when it first came out, bioware is smart for staying away from it.
Varny, Han STILL isn't a "third faction". He's a single person. He WASN'T middle ground or he wouldn't have joined the Rebellion to fight against the Empire. If he was middle ground, he wouldn't have taken a side.
Han was basically an officer in the rebellion from rotj on. Once his issues with jabba were settled he was able to serve with them full time. He was attempting to run when he tried to leave the Rebels, he was a hunted man afterall.
The whole point behind Star Wars is a civil war story. Which means everyone is involved in some way in the war. Even the hutts were involved to some degree, hell Ewoks got involved.
Realistically there's only two sides, The Empire and those who have sided with them, then the rest of the galaxy who were in fear of the galactic Empire rebels included..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The lightsaber was a symbol of the Jedi. Obi was right when he said "not as clumsy or inaccurate as a blaster". Thats right. Its also not easy to use and takes many years of training, accompanied by ability to use the force. Its an EXTREMELY dangerous weapon.
You don't see lightaxes, lighthammers, or lightshields because they didn't exist.
You DO see force pike's, Ryyk blades, amphistaff's, lightwhips (which are really rare because they're as difficult, or even more so, than a lightsaber) and the like. The majority of Star Wars residents used some form of blaster or vibro-weapon (vibro sword, rapier, blade or dagger).
It was just a fluke that Han managed to use Luke's lightsaber without cutting his own head off (or any other part of his body for that matter).
Not to mention that anyone other than a Jedi using a lightsaber just didn't happen. There's a reason for that. Its like a person wearing a Habit or a Priests collar. It just doesn't happen. Not because other people can't or because its against the law or anything, just because "it just isn't done". Kind of like insulting the President during his speech in Congress, or touching the British Queen without asking. You just don't do it. That is... if you are in any way part of normal society and actually have morals. Its just the way society works.
Yes, they probably WILL use their lightsaber forever. It will probably be with them until the day they die. That doesn't mean they won't use other weapons as well, but a lightsaber is a symbol of hope to the people Star Wars universe.
The color of the sword has never meant anything in terms of damage and the like in the Star Wars universe.
In the movies, blue was used for the good guys in the original, and red for the bad guys because Lucas wanted to make sure you could distinguish one from the other on screen easily.
Then it went to green, blue and red because blue wouldn't stand out well on the blue screen they were using for background effects at the time. So green and blue came to mean the good guys, and red the bad guys.
KoToR established further colors where you could change your color crystal to any crystal you wanted.
Personally, my favorite was always blue or silver.
But thats just color and really means nothing.
KoToR also established something new... lightsaber crystals do more than just change your color. The color is besides the point. The OTHER crystals added to your lightsaber are what gives it power. A lightsaber attuned to the Jedi (usually means "built by" said Jedi) gave a plus 1 to hit. LIghtsabers not attuned by said Jedi, don't.
Then you also have the Opila, Adegan, synthetic, Ankarres Sapphire, Barab Ore, Bondar, Damind, Dragite, Eralam, Firkann, Kaiburr, Hurricane, Katak, Krayt Dragon Pearl, Lambent, Stygium, Solari, Rubat, Ruukan, Sigl, Upari, Velmorite, Phond, Qixoni, Ultima-pearl, and Leronium. And thats only so far (I may have missed some in there).
There are several others that exist as special crystals and are the only one of their type known to exist so I didn't name them.
Those crystals will not change the color but will change the effect. It will change the type of damage, the amount of damage, how well you block other lightsabers and/or blaster bolts, etc. Each crystal has a different bonus, and sometimes a negative. The most powerful was the Kaiburr crystal, but there is only one in existence. It's so large that the occasional shard is chipped off for use in lightsabers.
Depending on the type of lightsaber, the kind of hilt, and the skill of the maker, a lightsaber can have as many as 3 crystals and as few as one. Without a crystal inside it, the lightsaber won't work because the crystal focuses the light to create the saber.
Yes, I'm a Star Wars geek.
that sorta kills the "choice" the OP was talking about. you want to be a neutral force user? you *have to choose* a specific race.
Not bad, you missed on the quote, though.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
You are, though, getting an immersive and plot filled game. I don't think class/factions a bad thing for a mmo. In the movies much of the focus was on the Jedi faction so really I wonder a little which movies you have been watching? Anyway, whatever, if SW:TOR isn't for you then simply play another game.
Someone tell me what is so great about SWTOR. A list of all the great features so i can work out why its hype is so high.
Johnny
I'm pretty sure that it's primarily the implications inherent in an RPG developer making an MMO. It's a first, and it carries heavy expectations with it regarding the three letters that have been lacking in MMORPGs for some time.
Reinforcing those expectations are most of the thus-far-confirmed features like full voiceovers, multiplayer dialogues, class-specific storylines, and the Old Republic time period as a setting in itself.
Players more interested in the elements beyond the RPG expectations seem most interested in the Mass Effect-esque cover system and an interlock melee system the likes of which hasn't been seen since The Matrix Online.
Thanks, and yeah I know. Sorry. I was at work and kept getting interupted by phone calls. It took me nearly an hour to write it and I'm now noticing spelling and grammar errors too. I'm bad but not that bad. Boss doesn't care if we're on the internet so long as we drop everything we're doing whenever we have to deal with a guest.
All in all it was a very interesting read.
That Obi-Wan quote is just one of the things I have memorized from watching the first two films so many times. People mis-quote the Luke/Darth "I am your father" exchange in ESB a lot, as well.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
What I hate about SW ToR is :-
Its not out yet!! I hate pre-release hype, people taking sides "it will be the best ever" vs "it will fail", No one knows how it will do, but I cant wait to try it.
So what I hate is, its not out, and the pre-release fanboys and haters drawing the battle lines.
Good and evil is all perception. So no matter how unique and free spirited you try to be, fighting for what you personally believe in or deem right is ultimately; in someone's eyes out there good (or evil).
How come when Knights of the old republic comes out it hailed as being one of the greatest star wars adaptions but when they create an MMO in the same universe with almost the exact same things as the games previous (as far as Items and combat go) it's deemed really not star wars?
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